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[Egix96]

ok time to lynch

she's in no-spew mode

exchange with skygazer likely scum theater but maybe not

Hedging

I havent gotten around to doing the whole math urap2 sorry but doesn't seem like it'll be necessary after this

yeah i mean why would you want to figure out why it's auto from your pov

this is also scum

guess I was wrong on egix

Opportunistic, again setting up on Exilon

[Egix96]

Given you wanted Egix earlier, why did you vote Exilon yesterday?

From my perspective, it's pretty auto.

I haven't been super engaged

, and over time I became less solid in my reads because I knew it was one of x and that's all that mattered. And then that tvt between me and exilon over whether or not he should be at auto like I was felt kind of like caught scum. It biased me against my read.

I think if I had reread iso's during yesterday's phase I would have gotten back to egix.

And yet he questioned me for being disengaged...

[Egix96]

find it because I was, what, power wolfing day 1 through skitter and inferno pushing super hard on me? I wish I could manage that

J/w but why do you think you're incapable of powerwolfing through scumreads d1?

i was exaggerating a bit. I think I could, but I it would be tough. skitter is a force, and inferno was pretty loud. It was stressful as town so I think I would have had trouble as scum

He thinks? lol

I think you're down the rabbit hole pretty far mate

"Stop overthinking things, just vote the townie already before you change your mind"

[Egix96]

Another thought is that everyone really needs to watch how interactions with Uzi go down. Since Uzi is IC (Innocent Child), it means that where his vote goes and what he says can have a huge impact on the game and the wagons. So anyone trying to manipulate that needs to be looked at hard.

This post really pings me as scummy.
To this point URA and Exilon look town.

well I'm going to actively discourage your lynch, so if you are lynched and flip town, I will hold no blame.

I regret considering you as town already, this just looks bad and not from a town motivated view.
At this point there's no threat to this lynch happening but you are already writing it off as a town with very little doubt, and already preparing for the town credit on a town flip.

Okay on to gazerslot now

Extremely quick turnaround. Compare with the 180 urap had re:Aus.

[Egix96]

Hey, HRG, welcome to the game!
Any other general thoughts 8 pages in?
A general readlist?

{Asuka, CDB, URA}

{Garmr, Egix, Exlion}

{Bob's, RuiRui, Inferno}

{Sash}
{Skitter}

Skitter just really pings me with their posting and just feels like a lot of empty posting.

Get your drudge sirens out, people...

[Egix96]

So this is where I'm at after the catch up fully.

URA is obvious town right now

and the fact his wagon started is really bad.
I'm feel less like Sash scum with the VT claim and even though VT lynch / scum lynch isn't a bad choice day 1 I don't think Sash flips scum here.

I don't think that URA's wagon was all town either so Skitter, Inferno or RuiRui have 1-2 scum.

The current RuiRui wagon looks all town other than Skitter. Skitter is just looking for a lynch rather scum hunting and their voting patterns/reasons show this.

If it comes to it I'll vote RuiRui over Sash and URA but I think Skitter is just out right scum and it doesn't look like bussing.

VOTE: Skitter

YGTI

[Egix96]

Reads at the bottom of page 10

Town: Exilon, Bob, Garmr
Light Town: Ausuka, Skitter
Null: Egix
Keep an eye on these: Inferno, URAP2
Scum: Sasha

VOTE: Sashaddin

Obviously Gamma didn't like how his predecessor had been treating urap.

I'm gonna go right for the cliche here

*ahem*

I think this is TvT

URAP2 is performing poorly rn imo

Subtle distancing

[Egix96]

if i go today i dont wanna lose this game to urap paranoia

What a weird comment

Home stretch!

[Egix96]

I think that Sasha is scum, but I think it would be a mistake to lynch Inferno next. I kind of feel like Sasha has been trying to buddy Inferno, and if they were partners and Inferno was committed to not bussing he would vote Ruirui. What he's done instead makes himself look bad on a Sasha scumflip and doesn't really help save him, imo.

How has Sasha been trying to buddy Inferno? They have little to no interactions with each other and he seemed to make it very clear that he didn’t want to get involved in the spat with Exil.

Also I feel like his play has been to try and buddy Inferno? Like, first he calls Inferno's massive case great, then joins him on Urap, then Garmr forms his Inferno push and Sasha comes to his defense, recycling the same "opportunistic" line Inferno used, in 260.

this is why i think this; i don't think it's a "gross misrepresentation" at all.

@sasha: i don't think you're necessarily playing badly? if you want to get better at playing, something you could is reading old games, and looking at what scum do. you can learn how scum behave and when you're scum you can try and avoid those kinds of behaviours. at least that's what i do.

i can't think of anyone i'd like to lynch more than sasha. i'd like their flip here and

i don't particularly feel like urap is scum

(although i guess i don't exactly have a reason to think this, they just feel genuine to me) and inferno seems tunnely-town like he is usually.

More drudge

[Egix96]

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

Still drudgin'
Don't be misled by the tiers, he's her top town apart from DetPika and the masons

[Egix96]

sorry urap but your time is up. we lynch you d3.

@skitter: the urap line was just a joke.

Suuuuuuuuure it was...

[Egix96]

urap is scum btw

Ha
After lying about him for so long she finally let slip the truth!

[u r a person 2]

I do want to ask about the "auto" language though. It's very jarring to me that in your one developed scum game you also talked about "auto" in the end of the game, and focused on the "auto" pov arguments with slightly more emphasis than your actual reads. Can you point me to town games where you felt the game was in 'auto' or used that language? This is directly relevant to one of my biggest problems with your slot which is the read development and vote on Exilon, which was framed through this "it's auto" argument.

I don't know if I can. Not many games get to auto. In that game there were a bunch of roles with potential to interact in beneficial ways for scum. None of that happened, and I found myself in a spot d2 with a fakeclaim that that made it basically auto from my pov. there wasn't much way out and I was floundering.

that's a very different scenario from scum this game, which put itself in that position by failing to kill the IC or a pr over the first couple of nights

[u r a person 2]

o/t but how was hydraing with slaxx? am I reading it right that he kinda vanished on you toward the end of the game or did he just stop signing?

I really enjoy playing with Slaxx. We're a good scum hunting team. He got busy during both of those games, so I'm the majority of posts in both games.

[u r a person 2]

Why? Is bob your uncle?

I felt his recent set of analysis felt like he was doing it for the sake of being seen as doing it rather than him actually trying to scum hunt.

Like, it seems to me that you started your 'analysis' with a scum read on ausuka, and then you gave a bunch of iioa, and then were content to sit on your ausuka vote.

I don't see any indication that you've used any of your work to inform your scum reads

Disingenuous push, also indirectly defending Ausuka

How is this disingenuous? Bob did that whole drawn out process and it didn't get anywhere. I pulled the same thing in my last scum game, and I could see other new!scum doing it too

And it probably was inspired/coached/whatever by gamr in their PT, which also likely made it feel less genuine

[u r a person 2]

In post 1296, u r a person 2 wrote:
Bob -> Egix -> Sash -> Gamr

Ooh boy look at that chain of town lynches.

So scum!me throws up 4 town lynches in a row when asked by the IC to give a lynch order? How likely is that?

Of course, it isn't 4 town in a row, is it? =P

[u r a person 2]

urap remind me of your ausuka read?

i wavered at one point, but I'm pretty sure aus is town

Obvious partner read

how is this an obvious partner read?

Accurately reflects that I had just voted there
Gives confident town read
all in response to a direct question

this post is nai

[u r a person 2]

@skitter prob egix, bob both good choices.

gamr or exilon not bad choices

im not getting on ausuka because I don't understand why he gets bussed over just pushing you

and I'm not town reading egix or bob, so I really don't want to vote there

No mention of HRG slot, how convenient

Spoiler:

This was the vote count recently before this post:

VC 2.07

Ausuka (3):

skitter30 1264, Egix 1270, bob3141 1336

skitter30 (2):

Garmr 1399, Ausuka 1414

bob3141 (1):

u r a person 2 1257

Egix96 (1):

Exilon 1043

Garmr (1):

Sashaddin 860

Not Voting:

Detective Pikachu, Inferno390 1030, High Risk Gamble 1170

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-17 19:00:00)

skitter had said that she didn't know where to vote. I think this is actually a pretty townie post. Bob was a good choice because I was scum reading him most at that moment. Egix was a good choice because I was scum reading him and he already had a vote on him.

Gamr was also not a bad choice because Sash was already voting there.
I don't remember why exilon was on the list

but the reason not to vote ausuka shows that I'm thinking about the gamestate, and using my reads to augment that understanding.

And HRG was in the process of being replaced while this post was being made, and I'm sure that's why I didn't include that slot.

[u r a person 2]

I think we lynch Ausuka here actually for trying to argue the proc off of me. I don’t see a reason to do it as Town and a LOT of reason to do it as scum.

I could see it being a town gambit to stop a double kill if you're town

This on it's own is a bad reason. Still not sure why Ausuka is the counter wagon over egix

Finds excuse to defend Aus

This game seems slow for three competing wagons with 24 hours left

Sashaddin we're not lynching Garmr today. How do you feel about Ausuka and Egix?

Yeah, egix. Lynch that.

Bad for obvious reasons

I’m going to take this hammer to end the day. No one else hammer.

then how will i be able to bus sash?? =(

(*Phelous voice*) Inappropriate...

I don't understand the third one, but the first two will look a lot better once egix is confirmed scum. It's really frustrating because I keep wanting to point to my scum read on egix as evidence that I wasn't completely useless this game, but I know that doesn't mean anything to you, pika.

[u r a person 2]

so those walls feel to me like svs~~~~~

Setting up an Exilon lynch after Ausuka flips

They did feel like svs. Neither side was compelling, no one else was really interested, and it looked like noise for noises sake, which I think scum does sometimes to distance.

[u r a person 2]

I havent gotten around to doing the whole math urap2 sorry but doesn't seem like it'll be necessary after this

yeah i mean why would you want to figure out why it's auto from your pov

this is also scum

guess I was wrong on egix

Opportunistic, again setting up on Exilon

It seemed really odd to me that he was trying to undercut the idea that from our perspectives, the game was solved. It seemed to me that he was trying to open up a path to victory for himself. I don't think that was unreasonable.

[u r a person 2]

Given you wanted Egix earlier, why did you vote Exilon yesterday?

From my perspective, it's pretty auto.

I haven't been super engaged

, and over time I became less solid in my reads because I knew it was one of x and that's all that mattered. And then that tvt between me and exilon over whether or not he should be at auto like I was felt kind of like caught scum. It biased me against my read.

I think if I had reread iso's during yesterday's phase I would have gotten back to egix.

And yet he questioned me for being disengaged...

Let's talk about this for a second.

If I'm scum, I feel like I'm playing a super engaged game. I'm top of the post count, I've been involved in almost every aspect of the game, and I'm trying to play that up for town cred.

If I'm town, I know that I feel like once it became auto I basically checked out intellectually and emotionally, and that clouds my own perception of my game.

this is a town!me post

[u r a person 2]

Another thought is that everyone really needs to watch how interactions with Uzi go down. Since Uzi is IC (Innocent Child), it means that where his vote goes and what he says can have a huge impact on the game and the wagons. So anyone trying to manipulate that needs to be looked at hard.

This post really pings me as scummy.
To this point URA and Exilon look town.

well I'm going to actively discourage your lynch, so if you are lynched and flip town, I will hold no blame.

I regret considering you as town already, this just looks bad and not from a town motivated view.
At this point there's no threat to this lynch happening but you are already writing it off as a town with very little doubt, and already preparing for the town credit on a town flip.

Okay on to gazerslot now

Extremely quick turnaround. Compare with the 180 urap had re:Aus.

Why is his read on me indicative of svs? Are scum more likely to about face concerning reads on their partners, or on town?

[u r a person 2]

So this is where I'm at after the catch up fully.

URA is obvious town right now

and the fact his wagon started is really bad.
I'm feel less like Sash scum with the VT claim and even though VT lynch / scum lynch isn't a bad choice day 1 I don't think Sash flips scum here.

I don't think that URA's wagon was all town either so Skitter, Inferno or RuiRui have 1-2 scum.

The current RuiRui wagon looks all town other than Skitter. Skitter is just looking for a lynch rather scum hunting and their voting patterns/reasons show this.

If it comes to it I'll vote RuiRui over Sash and URA but I think Skitter is just out right scum and it doesn't look like bussing.

VOTE: Skitter

YGTI

this is actually just spewing me town?

[Detective Pikachu]

I do want to ask about the "auto" language though. It's very jarring to me that in your one developed scum game you also talked about "auto" in the end of the game, and focused on the "auto" pov arguments with slightly more emphasis than your actual reads. Can you point me to town games where you felt the game was in 'auto' or used that language? This is directly relevant to one of my biggest problems with your slot which is the read development and vote on Exilon, which was framed through this "it's auto" argument.

I don't know if I can. Not many games get to auto. In that game there were a bunch of roles with potential to interact in beneficial ways for scum. None of that happened, and I found myself in a spot d2 with a fakeclaim that that made it basically auto from my pov. there wasn't much way out and I was floundering.

that's a very different scenario from scum this game, which put itself in that position by failing to kill the IC or a pr over the first couple of nights

Come on you should have realized by now that skygazer was informed that I was bp, they knew they couldn't kill me all game