EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY NORMAL (THE [GAME) OVER]

[mastina]

I like it better then catching up in real-time.

I actually hate talking to people in real time, unless it's talking to my townbloc about refining reads. If there's arguments to be had, if there's disagreements to be had, if there's scumreads to be countered, if there's fights to be had...I just.

Prefer not to do it in real time. It's draining, both time and energy wise.

[Skygazer]

VC 1.53

CheekyTeeky (5): Nero Cain, Something_Smart, RedFlavor, Lil Uzi Vert, Baezu
pisskop (4): u r a person 2, Almost50, Chara, Alchemist21
Ausuka (3): singletonking, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma
Chara (2): CheekyTeeky, pisskop
u r a person 2 (2): DJ, Katyusha
DJ (1): mastina
Flavor Leaf (1): Ausuka

Not Voting (1): Vorkuta

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to reach a lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-06-24 09:00:00).

[Baezu]

Hey bae.

Give me a list of three people to doc
And give rce a list of three people to bullet.

Doc- FL, STK, NC
Bullet - Martina, urap, character

What is this? Like marry them, kill them, fuck them?

[pisskop]

No I wanted some reads from you

[pisskop]

Assuming a doc=a TR and a vig=an SR

who is character. I mean, I guess we all know.

[Nero Cain]

thinking about it, Kat kinda weirds me out. If I'm such an EZ read why does Kat ever vote me to get a "read" on me and risk the TvT and my eventual tunnel?

Kinda makes me want to lynch her again.

or am I over thinking?

What do you think about this Baezu?

[pisskop]

So bae,

- matthew lesko
- Miss Cleo
- Chip Douglas

[mastina]

Why is Mastina in that list? She hasn’t been around much.

Quality over quantity, mate.

I'm behind.

Yes.

I'm struggling to stay in the game.

Yes.

But when I'm around, I AM contributing content.
I'm admittedly struggling to keep it GOOD content.
But I'm getting there.

[mastina]

I don't see her putting her reads all in one tier.

I do it almost every game.

I do separate it almost every game, and yes prefer to keep it separated, but the non-separated reads are something I can point to being in almost every single game beit town or scum at least once.

When I'm this behind tho.

Not a good idea to ask me to do that.

Just take my word for it, that I could prove it fairly definitively if I spent the time on it; I just thought the time would be better spent elsewhere.

[mastina]

He seems to believe all the claims.

Generally speaking I believe most of the claims in the game.
I also don't believe the claims are inherently town.
The exception to the inherently town claims would be the exception to the claim I believe.

[mastina]

IDK, part of me feels like Mastina posting realists is just active lurk and it seems kinda scummy to me.

Respectably: fuck off.

[mastina]

In fact the claim's half the reason why Ausuka's so low on my list.

yeah, but it would be p ballsy to fakeclaim miller and risking the CC unless we are going with *scum was told there was no miller*

1: The backup miller claimed first, this told scum that a miller fakeclaim was viable.
2: Two millers claiming in a game would not be a 1v1 between them; mod wifom of double-millers is SO ridiculously common that people wouldn't bat an eye at double miller claims, so a town miller counterclaiming a scum fakeclaim of miller won't lead to the scum miller fakeclaim being lynched.
3: Scum being informed there is no miller in the game is EXACTLY the sort of information a scum Informed is likely to have.

So.

[Nero Cain]

pls repl...oh can't say that anymore

[mastina]

btw, why'd you stop just doing blank readlists and start doing content posts?

I didn't.

I do blank readslists when nothing except my reads change.

I do content posts when my readslist remains the same but there's stuff to comment on.

I do both when there's both.

A lot of the early pages were no content for me to comment on, but my reads changed; readslists were the best way of expressing stuff.
A lot of the later pages aren't changing my readslist, but have content to comment on; commentary is the best way of expressing stuff.

[Baezu]

thinking about it, Kat kinda weirds me out. If I'm such an EZ read why does Kat ever vote me to get a "read" on me and risk the TvT and my eventual tunnel?

Kinda makes me want to lynch her again.

or am I over thinking?

What do you think about this Baezu?

I don’t think you’re overthinking, it does seem weird to me

[mastina]

oh mastina

- Non-town players may or may not receive "safe" "fakeclaims" in the form of

informed

modifiers

(E.g. "You know that a [role] does not exist in this game").

Yeah, Nero.

Modifiers are attached to roles.

That's an extension of a realclaim functioning as a safeclaim/knowing facts about the setup from the information of their ROLES.

[mastina]

Wheres your nullline mastina?

About URAP. Wouldn't say it goes into actual scumread until singletonking and even then it's still nullscum.

[mastina]

Why am I always your biggest townread?

Because you're always town.

[mastina]

mastina not re-evaluating any part of her read of my slot after I started posting is not making me feel better about her.

Yes well your posting isn't town, so.

usually there's like a narrative to go along with it.

There is. It's called "I really can't think of anything to comment on, but I did have change in feelings, and my reads are based on those feelings, so".

Just naked reads lists that show minimal movement on the important reads and provides no new information to town doesn't really seem like it's meant to help town understand her thought process.

I don't need people to understand my thought process; I need people to see I have thoughts. Having thoughts even if incomprehensible > not having thoughts even if understandable.

Deciding whether or not I'm "bussing" based on meta when you have no idea on my main is also pretty lazy.

I don't recall saying that.
I recall saying I thought that if URAP was scum it'd be because you bussed.
But I don't recall saying you were bussing based off of meta.

[mastina]

Like I don't see how you have ALL of my strongest town at the bottom of your list, this is like, way below random/average for you mastina
Your list practically reads as upside down to me

Maybe that's because you're scum.

[mastina]

Mastina, the difference is academic. The word "fakeclaim" was used

by the mod

to describe scum roles being informed of nonexistent town roles. It's a normal way of emulating a theme mechanic, which is kinda the point of this game.

The difference is absolutely NOT academic.

The difference between a scum faction with factional knowledge of "you know these facts".
And a scum faction with, sayyyy, a Scum Informed Roleblocker knowing "you know this fact" with, sayyyyyy, a Scum Informed Strongman knowing "you know this fact".

Is really fucking huge.

This game, AT MOST, has the latter; most theme games have the former--but the former is IMPOSSIBLE this game.

That's absolutely NOT semantics, absolutely NOT academic. That's a critical, fundamental, difference in the mechanics of how the games work.

[mastina]

But given the possibility for scum informed, what are the odds there's a town rolecop?

Much higher than the chances of a town cop.

I'd give this game a good 90% odds of having a town rolecop in some form or another.

I'd give this game about a 20% chance of having a town cop in any form.
(Note, could have a Neapolitan as a troll role because as role madness Neapolitan's worthless; could have a gunsmith, but I'm not going to comment on that until a more appropriate time.)

[mastina]

So you didn’t believe my claim?

Simple Roleblocker?

I believe it!

I just think it's a scum role here.

[mastina]

Because you never addressed my claim mastina

Well for a start wasn't sure if it was a serious claim or not but it doesn't matter if it was serious or not. I think you're scum by play, your claimed role doesn't magically reverse that and in fact reinforces it with it being a serious claim because I absolutely see a scum simple roleblocker as being a Skygazer role.

[mastina]

And yes I am perfectly aware simple = can only have action succeed on VTs so yes I am perfectly aware simple roleblocker as scum = literally worthless role, that's WHY I think it's a scum role here.