BooneyToonz XII: Corporate Boontrigue (Game Over!!!)

[skitter30]

Asuka seems like a reasonable lynch for tomorrow but I’d rather people avulatex after a Bambi scum flip.

Fair

VOTE: bambi

L-1

Again repeating v strongly that asuka is scum

[skitter30]

Can we let everyone check in before hammer happens tho?

[skitter30]

i'm very sorry to hear that, i hope you're doing ok

[skitter30]

VOTE: una

I'd guess that there's two scum left?

[skitter30]

would also be interested in skitter explaining the soft from earlier, jl dying as the only claimed non-vanilla role with the even night strongman dead doesnt look good for her

Not sure i want to claim yet

Although now that i think of it, i wouldn't mind massclaim too much

@a50 how are u reading creature?

[skitter30]

I mean, we could have gotten a claim, or resolved a50's thing, or something before hammer ...

[skitter30]

I'm p sure it's not ausuka, that's the one person i'm v confident is town

I think it's you + one of liger or creature, i'm not sure which

Also i think it's massclaim day (it should have been yesterday, but whatever). I want xtoxm to go first

Also scum clearly thought a50's thing was real, i'll go back to check who a50 was liable to fake that on based on his reada when i have a chance

Also it's been a really long time since i was last in lylo

[skitter30]

Kinda, i'll say more in a bit

Actually i'm fine with creature going first, but i want xtoxm to go next

[skitter30]

Nah

[skitter30]

And ur the person i'm most suspicious of, so i'm a little wary

[skitter30]

Rn, no, i'm at work and don't have time

I'm also not entirely sure what u might even claim that would necessitate u going first from ur pov

I don't have a mechanical reason for u going first, i just believe in a theoretical sense that scummier players should go firsf in massclaim

I don't think it matters toooo much tho but i would like to strongly voice the fact that i'm feeling v wary of u rn

So whatever

I'm a backup neighbor bp (hence why i think that strongman makes sense)

Roster + jesus were in a neighborhood, when roster died me + creature got added to it.

I was vla for that whole dayphase so i overlapped with jesus for like a nightphase iirc before he died but i didnt really get to interact with him

Creature is also apparently a backup neighbor and got added at the same timr as me but he didnt post there till like this past nightphase; his lack of posting + hammer made me suspicious - he said he didnt read anything before voting yesterday and that the neighborhood thread wasnt showing up in his egoposts or something

I guess creature is something in addition to backup neighbor and from my pov if there's scum in the 4 peopke who were in that neighborhood it has to be him

[skitter30]

Former, i'm bp + backup neighbor, i think i worded it backwards

[skitter30]

And i'm a bp backup neighbor

I dont find it to be particularly unlikeky given the strongman

One sec

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

uh actually i think that's wrong

VOTE: asuka

Hey, remember this? Right after blake said she thought it was unlikely that town had enough power to warrant scum having a strongman

Look at my reaction there

[skitter30]

Like i didnt put together that u were a bp but i thought u had some sort of role that would warrant u having an extremely similar reaction to me

[skitter30]

I can't think of a town role w/out a night action that's townie here.

idk they can be a neighbor or something?
bp too

commuter, ascetic, informed; i can think of a bunch of things that wouldn't have noticed being rb'd

even night, novice, other varients of night-specific would not have noticed being rb'd either

First two lines of this post for me ^^^

[skitter30]

What's desperate?

[skitter30]

I'm nominally at work but i"ll be back later

[skitter30]

? Why did u want me to claim first then?

[skitter30]

Hmm ok I'll think about it.

Pedit: why were you so insistent on claiming after your innocent result?

Ya we can def talk abiut it more, just like later (or maybe tom night cuz of my weekend vla), when i'm not at work

Xtoxm i thought u were gearing up to claim a guilty on me

Ok elreally leaving now

But yeah i'm not in a neighborhood with him

[skitter30]

I'm p confident ausuka is town, like i cant imagine myself voting there today

It would make some sense for scum to have some type of protective given the vig

I"m not sure scum!xtoxm fakes an inno on someone he thinks softed bp - it puts himself in a situation where the inno will be in 3way, which could have been avoided wntirely

[skitter30]

Creature did u read the neighborhood or ..?

[skitter30]

Xtoxm u also were like never being nk'd this game

Also our main investigatives were the even/odd night rolecop?

[skitter30]

according to creature, i already have been nked this game

No, according to creature he docced you, i have no way of knowing whether u were also targeted for the nk that night, there's ar least 3 or 4 different ways to explain the one kill n1

[skitter30]

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

Oh yeah btw Liger is very likely scum too and every scumteam should include one of {Liger, Creature} which rules out a Xtoxm/skitter gambit scumteam and makes skitter pretty much conftown here. This isn't how the mods phrase things if mafia have both oddnight and evennight strongman. This might be how liger THINKS it would go, but I'm almost certain that in a game with two mafia strongmans, S_S does not inform somebody that mafia have A strongman; it's misleading and doesn't really make sense on a gramatical level. By far the most likely way for Liger to be town is if Bambi was actually the only strongman, which again strongly implicates Creature (while I suppose it's possible mafia have a roleblocker or asceticizer or something dumb like that, it seems unlikely.) But I think the symmetry with an oddnight/evennight strongman is cool and something SS might do, and if we really DO have two bulletproofs, which I'm pretty sure we do, mafia just, well, NEED two strongmans. Me and Skitter surviving to endgame seems totally unfair to scum, otherwise.
By far the simplest explanation is that it's just Liger/Creature.

Also the symmetry with the odd-night/even-night role cop neighborhood - and with *two* backup neighbors, it would make sense to me that one of these 4 people are scum

[skitter30]

Also iirc there were a few different times where bambi was trying to push xtoxm, in a way unlikely for partners ...
But i want to check that again too

[skitter30]

@skitter
i'm going to trust my result on you, because it's all i've got to go on.
there is a 4th unknown scum role which could have potentially messed with it, but i have seen no evidence for this. if it does, then yay for scum.

so. you're town, and there have apparently been no attempts on your life, despite being a vocal and from what i've seen widely town read player.
this means your reads are bad.
you're also personally 0 for 3 on reading me, if we include this game.

blake's 3 scum reads were
titus
ausuka
liger

titus was town and that was an extremely damaging lynch, but scum don't kill a vig that's got zero correct reads, they just don't.
there's at least one scum in ausuka/liger, you can't continue to tr both of them

Yeah fair ... i dont think ausuka flips scum here really

But i find it really weird for scum to lolclaim that a strongman exists in their first post too

I think i'm kinda down to {creature/liger} or i guess creature/xtoxm bur like the solve doesnt make me super happy

Also the vote on creature makes me nervous given lylo

And yeah i was right on asuka ... and that's about it thjs game

[skitter30]

Eh it's not such great read accuracy for me, although i do take credit for that lynch
I also feel like if he's town he'd have more of a reaction to getting voted in lylo?

[skitter30]

Ok fair

I think me/xtoxm is pretty definitively ruled out

[skitter30]

I'm going to bounce for the weekend shortly, but i'll ne around (laye) tom night, or sunday

[skitter30]

Traveling tonight, so will get to this tom afternoon

[skitter30]

ok i'm around for a bit, if anyone else is and wants to talk

[skitter30]

Eh it's not such great read accuracy for me, although i do take credit for that lynch
I also feel like if he's town he'd have more of a reaction to getting voted in lylo?

it's a vote from someone who is basically confscum to him
his reaction specifically to me, someone he townreads, calling for his lynch earlier today, looked like a town reaction
and i'm not sure it's within the scope of his scum game to fake that, tbh

can u explain what about it u found townie?

[skitter30]

ausuka what do u think about the associatives between bambi and xtoxm?

[skitter30]

so i'm getting kinda close to thinking htat the solve is u + liger

[skitter30]

i'm p sure she's out of her scumrange (i just previously caught her as scum and this gaem feels nothing like that one .... she actually has wim to push things here)

why are u townreading xtoxm again?

[skitter30]

cool

[skitter30]

bleh i'm kinda stuck

i'm p sure ausuka is town
i'm p sure xtoxm is town off of bambi interactions

creature's hammer was bad but i'm not sure it comes from scum

and i guess liger is the odd man out so i guess i'd feel best about lynching him today

not sure where i'm going wrong in {creature/ausuka/xtoxm}

[skitter30]

i mean ok

not sure why you're pissed at me

[skitter30]

???

a) ausuka's pretty obvtown. i should lynch her cuz she claimed bp? i believe her claim like i said before because of how she reacted to ank

b) i haven't been pushing u since u claimed

+ u were bambi's wagon of choice os i don't think u were aligned with him

[skitter30]

ok

if i'm wrong on ausuka, sell me on it
why should i be scumreading her here?

i believe the claim and i don't think it's ai

[skitter30]

she claimed bp miller

[skitter30]

i believe the claim tho ...

why shouldn't i?

[skitter30]

like if u think i'm missing something explain it

[skitter30]

bleh i wish jesus had gotten off his result on u

or that he claimed his n4 result

give me a sec

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

ok
do you think that strongman and rb are likely together?

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

You've said that multiple times, but there's been no substance other than the Scum Roleblocker + Scum Strongman point.

There's no strong reason to believe that Titus is a Roleblocker as scum in this scenario other than the fact that she claimed a roleblocker. Titus is competent at mechanics as both alignments.

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman. My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

UNVOTE:

uh actually i think that's wrong

VOTE: asuka

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman. My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

I have no idea what you're talkinf about

she had basically the exact same reaction to the exact same post that i did - her unvote in 1641 to ank's 1639

[skitter30]

sorry for shouting
im drunk
all i want is to solve this game with you and when i come into the thread and see you still asking people about my interactions with bambi it pisses me off

sorry, not trying to piss you off, trying to not fuck up lylo

that wasn't me implying that i was scumreading u rn, but rather trying to get other people's opinions on whether that's a sufficient reason to clear u

[skitter30]

also if the slot is scum luv fak-claimed miller in their first post?

[skitter30]

for what tho ... against the vig?
that's a p strong counter against the vig imo?

[skitter30]

aside this feels like a gunsmith setup, kinda surprised we don't have one really

also that the main invests have been role cops

[skitter30]

are we allowed to take about rep-outs these days

[skitter30]

but her reaction to me claiming bp also felt like a natural reaction

pedit fair

[skitter30]

Flavor Leaf - universal backup
skitter30 Gamma Emerald - bp backup neighbor
Bambi Jay - 1s even night strongman
Ausuka Lil Uzi Vert - claimed bp miller
Xtoxm - 1s desparate neighborizer
Asuka - traitor symbitoic thingy
Jesus Louisus - odd night role cop, neighbor (i may have gotten the odd/even night mixed up)
Almost50 - vt
Blake Belladonna Clemency - gated vig
rosterfoster - even-night rolecop, neighbor
UnaBombaH - vt
Titus - rb
popsofctown - vt
Creature - claimed 2 shot doc, backup neighbor
Liger_Zero - claimed informed strongman + other stuff

[skitter30]

bleh asuka's iso is useless

[skitter30]

ya

i'm looking at some things and will be talking to myself a bit in thread

i actually think i'm most comfortable lynching liger here rn

[skitter30]

hey creature, how do u feel about bussing in a general sense?

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

VC 2.11

Asuka (3)- skitter30, rosterfoster, Titus
Bambi Jay (2)- Xtoxm, Creature
rosterfoster (2)- Asuka, Almost50
Jesus Louisus (2)- Ausuka, Blake Belladonna
Creature (1)- Liger_Zero
Xtoxm (1)- Jesus Louisus


Not voting (2)- UnaBombaH, Bambi Jay

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: if you need a vc and i'm awake, please feel free to poke me on Discord - Tom#4827

VC 2.12

Titus (4)- Blake Belladonna, rosterfoster, Bambi Jay, Ausuka
Asuka (2)- skitter30, Titus
Bambi Jay (2)- Xtoxm, Creature
rosterfoster (2)- Asuka, Almost50
Creature (1)- Liger_Zero
Xtoxm (1)- Jesus Louisus


Not voting (1)- UnaBombaH

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: if you need a vc and i'm awake, please feel free to poke me on Discord - Tom#4827

great minds skitter30... (also ty!)

VC 2.13

Titus (3)- Blake Belladonna, rosterfoster, Bambi Jay
Asuka (3)- skitter30, Titus, Ausuka
Bambi Jay (2)- Xtoxm, Creature
rosterfoster (1)- Asuka
Creature (1)- Liger_Zero
Xtoxm (1)- Jesus Louisus


Not voting (2)- UnaBombaH, Almost50

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: if you need a vc and i'm awake, please feel free to poke me on Discord - Tom#4827

VC 2.14

Titus (6)- Blake Belladonna, rosterfoster, Bambi Jay, Jesus Louisus, skitter30, Almost50
Bambi Jay (2)- Xtoxm, Creature
Blake Belladonna (2)- Liger_Zero, Titus
Asuka (1)- Ausuka
rosterfoster (1)- Asuka


Not voting (1)- UnaBombaH

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: if you need a vc and i'm awake, please feel free to poke me on Discord - Tom#4827

VC 2.15

Titus (7)- Blake Belladonna, rosterfoster, Bambi Jay, Jesus Louisus, skitter30, Almost50, Asuka
Bambi Jay (2)- Xtoxm, Creature
Blake Belladonna (2)- Liger_Zero, Titus
Asuka (1)- Ausuka


Not voting (1)- UnaBombaH

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: flip to come l8r sry I'm out!!

partner!xtoxm and/or partner!creature would have had to have stayed on their buddy the whole time that the cw built

[skitter30]

creature u think it's just ausuka + liger?

[skitter30]

liger has a lot of icky defending of bambi too

[skitter30]

liger also tried to get creature lynched a as a cw to bambi so that doesn't make super much sense together

[skitter30]

i guess i'm at a point where liger + ausuka make the most sense as a team except i incidentall don't think ausuka is scum

[skitter30]

liger has a lot of icky defending of bambi too

Go on...

you defended him while his wagon was going up and repeatedly tried to form a cw to his

(tbf i didn't vote him either)

[skitter30]

bleh i'm kinda stuck

i'm p sure ausuka is town
i'm p sure xtoxm is town off of bambi interactions

creature's hammer was bad but i'm not sure it comes from scum

and i guess liger is the odd man out so i guess i'd feel best about lynching him today

not sure where i'm going wrong in {creature/ausuka/xtoxm}

ok but like why doesn't it come from scum?

we had 1 (one) real day phase in this game and creature cut it short and put us in lylo. it was objectively pro-scum-wincon as a move.

can't tell if it was an honest mistake or scum-motivated
it was god-awful tho, yeah

[skitter30]

you already decided you want ausuka to win whatever she is

This is a completely unjustified accusation.

ya i kinda felt that too

[skitter30]

have you considered
that the bulletproof thing might be real
but the alignment be scum?

i don't see why scum need a bulletproof in response to a vig that already got a nerf in what is essentially a non-consecutive modifier.

that's why i kinda think that 2s doc works as a counter to the vig?

i mean there has to be scum in the bp/doc claims i think (which at this point is kinda obvious but yeah)

[skitter30]

liger also tried to get creature lynched a as a cw to bambi so that doesn't make super much sense together

What? Liger voted Creature based on one bad post, and kept on pushing that same narrative even though it was totally clear that it wasn't going anywhere. I don't see how that doesn't work as a s/s interaction - it doesn't seem that Liger really thought he was going to get Creature lynched.

well the context is that he was pushing him a counter to bambi

[skitter30]

i don't think ausuka is scum
i don't think xtoxm is scum

so i'm kinda down to creature/liger i think

like xtoxm if i'm wrong on ausuka i need u to show me that but i don't see it rn

[skitter30]

liger did u fullclaim ???

[skitter30]

i just don't see myself voting ausuka today tbh

pedit not following u, sorry

[skitter30]

idk why he'd pick a partner to do that to there tho

i feel like the possible teams i have don't make sense togehter

but creature/liger is still my best bet it hink

[skitter30]

Oh something was making me think earlier that scum may have been informed of bp

I forgot what atm but i'll try to remember

[skitter30]

Maybe we just do liger today and i guess tomorrow i get to decide between creature and ausuka?

I guess that's basically how this game works out ...

Pedir liger town world means there's 2 of {2 bp/2 shot doc} from ur pov

[skitter30]

Oh wait nm.

1 of that

[skitter30]

skitter my world already has you locktown due my role.

Oh right

[skitter30]

yeah thing is his informed will be redacted, so we dont learn anything from it.
you're probably not going to vote ausuka tomorrow so i need to decide if im ok with the liger/creature solve.

Ya fair, i still need to try to decide if i'm good with that

If i'm being honest i prob won't vote her tom
I actually think she's townier than u

[skitter30]

Abiabababab
Lylo stresses me out :/

[skitter30]

Liger can u full claim now ...

[skitter30]

I think i can only be scum with ausuka now mechanically anyways

[skitter30]

creature why you not appealing to me more to force through the ausuka lynch then?
skitter is going to vote you tomorrow.
i've seen you be a lot more townie in lylos than u r rn.

Ya his reaction to ausuka's vote on him was super underwhelming

[skitter30]

Bleh, sorry if i fuck this up

VOTE: liger

[skitter30]

Well xtoxm + creature is no longer a thing

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

I can only be scum with ausuka

There's one scum in creature and ausuka

And now in me/liger

[skitter30]

Creature/xtoxm isnt a thing

I think that this is a logic puzzle almost that should get it down to at most a couple of teams ...?

[skitter30]

I'll be back in like an hour or so

[skitter30]

So from my pov:

Creature/xtoxm - not a thing
Creature/ausuka - at least one scum
Creature/liger - at least one scum
Xtoxm/ausuka - not sure ?
Xtoxm/liger - could have hammered creature, not a thing
Ausuka/liger - not sure

[skitter30]

Creature/xtoxm - not a thing - could have hammered me
Creature/ausuka - at least one scum - game should have ended already i think if both are town; liger and xtoxm were on at the same time
Creature/liger - at least one scum - is this right
Xtoxm/ausuka - not sure ? - i don't think they were both on to hammer xtoxm or
Xtoxm/liger - could have hammered creature, not a thing
Ausuka/liger - not sure

so i think we're basically down to the only mechanically possible combos:

me/ausuka (obvs not from my pov, and i think i've been ruled out of all the other possible pairings)
xtoxm/ausuka (my two strongest townreads)
ausuka/liger
creature/ausuka
creature/liger

so from my pov: it's either xtoxm + ausuka or 2 of {creature/liger/ausuka}

am i missing anything?

[skitter30]

and my not-getting-mislynched streak only ends i think if ausuka duped me really well

[skitter30]

im fully cleared if you believe scum would always go for the quickhammer.

Technicall i think u can still be scum with ausuka, but yeah

You wanna do this?

[skitter30]

She's my strongest townread, really don't see myself voting there today; if you're town and ausuka is scum u need to show me why i'm wrong here

[skitter30]

Y tho

[skitter30]

He never shared it

[skitter30]

VOTE: liger

Hope this is right ....

[skitter30]

well this is a weird lylo

[skitter30]

so the fact that ausuka has been active onsite but isn't positng in a hammer-testing/quick-hammer type of situation where she's conceivably scum with everyone mechanically except i think me is slightly concerning

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

ya

i kinda townread her earlier in part for her *not* disppearing for long stretches of time; she kinda has to force herself to post in my experience and tends to run out the prod timer and that hasn't really been a thing this game but this is kinda worrying me

[skitter30]

can you get on liger?

[skitter30]

VOTE: liger

[skitter30]

I guess they tried to test one of the bp claims?

[skitter30]

also xtoxm you made me *incredibly* nervous with your hammer post, i thought you were claiming scum

[skitter30]

ngl i'm slightly confused why xtoxm is still alive

[skitter30]

xtoxm / liger has been ruled, out, right?

[skitter30]

so it's basically down to you or ausuka

creature i'm v probably going to vote you here

[skitter30]

idk

her reaction to ank's 'there's no reason for there to be a strongman!' was *really* similar to mine, which makes sense if we have the same role

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

ok
do you think that strongman and rb are likely together?

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

You've said that multiple times, but there's been no substance other than the Scum Roleblocker + Scum Strongman point.

There's no strong reason to believe that Titus is a Roleblocker as scum in this scenario other than the fact that she claimed a roleblocker. Titus is competent at mechanics as both alignments.

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman. My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

UNVOTE:

uh actually i think that's wrong

VOTE: asuka

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman. My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

I have no idea what you're talkinf about

she had basically the exact same reaction to the exact same post that i did - her unvote in 1641 to ank's 1639

[skitter30]

VOTE: creature

[skitter30]

Sweet, gg everyone

Creature, minus the lolhammer on una, i thought u played pretty well - i wasnt scumreading you here really, so much as i thought everyone else was townier and couldnt see them as scum

Thanks for modding!

[skitter30]

Sorry, i get kinda paranoid

This wasnt that bad for me as things go, all in all, tbh

[skitter30]

You both played very well imo too

[skitter30]

Also creature the 2shot doc was a p good fake-claim here, imo

[skitter30]

Why'd the kill last night fail?

[skitter30]

Possible to release the dead thread?

[skitter30]

Skitter you played exceptionally well, I was really hoping you had gotten apathetic and lurked out. Xtoxm I also underestimated and thought would be easier to manipulate. Was fun playing with you both.

Thanks
Wasnt apathetic, i just tend to be very indecisive and it takes me a while to actually cast a vote that i know could be game-ending, even if i'm p confident that its right

This was my first time in lylo in like months!