Starry Night [Game Over]

[Kagami]

Oo, so forward!

[Kagami]

haha, neither did I!

woot.

[Kagami]

Well, this is a good time to remind everyone that when you suicide, you kill one player who is definitely town and one player who might be scum.

When you lynch, you kill two people who might be scum.

[Kagami]

Scum is chosen without regard for gender. Is this your first dance, bitty?

[Kagami]

Ank, are you planning to ask anyone in particular to dance?

[Kagami]

Can't I just accept a person, and force everyone else to time out during pre-dance?

[Kagami]

I thought there was some protection against that, but if not, the game is trivial.

[Kagami]

Ok, I can definitely do that, which is very obviously the optimal strategy.

[Kagami]

Right, I'd have to pick a second pair and get no mafia among them. Doesn't seem too hard.

[Kagami]

o, you're right. FG is such a smarty smart.

[Kagami]

Do you have experience playing mafia here or elsewhere, lupin?

[Kagami]

Shiro + cricket is but a distant dream, I imagine.

[Kagami]

I thought that's what we were doing?

[Kagami]

Right now I don't especially dislike any of the ladies who are posting.

[Kagami]

Ank and Kagami you two just need to fuck it out already, yeesh

I have no idea what this means.

[Kagami]

Gaiden would be scum for not posting, but he hasn't logged on since the game started.

[Kagami]

I see benefit to people trying to sort out which lady should be left behind!

[Kagami]

Re: matchmaking

In a perfect world, we get some early readslists with a nice 1-16 enumeration, and go with a sort of consensus matchmaking that puts scummy folks together, with a bias toward giving players their preferred partners if they have one.

[Kagami]

No, don't do that, oka.

[Kagami]

Actually, ok. Do that.

[Kagami]

Dance with gamma is fine. Unwnd is also a fine partner for gamma.

[Kagami]

That was a funny looking invite post, fb.

[Kagami]

Question -

3 mafia gents/3 mafia ladies correct?

3 mafia total. Gender is random.

[Kagami]

Last time I played this setup, I was mafia and the other two mafia were paired.

If I had not been inattentive, we'd have easily won. That said, the general wisdom is that mafia shouldn't pair.

[Kagami]

kagami isn't this like ur third time being the IC in these?
I swear I remember u being IC before.

I've never been IC before. Last time I did this with gaiden, our pair was killed in intermission because the IC was paired with scum and we weren't going to suicide on each other.

[Kagami]

And when I was scum, I was paired with antihero-IC

[Kagami]

hi dunn~

[Kagami]

I like pops.

[Kagami]

Let's see if I have to fight her for gaiden.

[Kagami]

So far, I have to say that this is the most disciplined I've ever seen players in a dance setup, and is probably close to the best pre-game I've seen.

I hope that everyone can continue holding out a bit more until everyone has checked in before throwing out an invite frenzy.

[Kagami]

So far, I have to say that this is the most disciplined I've ever seen players in a dance setup, and is probably close to the best pre-game I've seen.

I hope that everyone can continue holding out a bit more until everyone has checked in before throwing out an invite frenzy.

you realize that's because im holding back right? every dance game i am usually the first to throw an invite lol

And I applaud your discretion!

[Kagami]

I approve of deas-ceph.

[Kagami]

accept DV

meh, im just wasting time pretending theres any chance i don't do this

Indeed~

[Kagami]

i literally signed up as a lady for this express purpose

Nothing is more frustrating than when someone I'm scumreading says they acted the way they did because they are just deliberately not playing to either wincon :/

You have to accept a certain amount of not-playing-to-wincon in these dances. Dunn is very likely to pair with Maria and Firebringer will pair with Shiro regardless of any reads.

[Kagami]

I'd rather lupin not be left out if possible, but it's certainly the case that there are a lot of charming ladies in this dance.

[Kagami]

O right, lupin asked to be replaced.

[Kagami]

Hey dunn, what's your tl;dr on Gamma Emerald-town?

[Kagami]

While I recognize it as potentially suboptimal, I'm saving myself for a special kind of gentleman.

The kind who can transform herself into many little gentlemen or perhaps grow into a very large gentleman for my dancing satisfaction, that's the kind of gentleman for me!

[Kagami]

No chance.

If gaiden replaces out or breaks my fragile heart by choosing bitmap, I'll take oversoul.

[Kagami]

Picking the towniest read for a partner isn't a great idea anyway. Just causes more lost equity when I depart during the intermission.

[Kagami]

EV is lower than just playing it straight, even if there wasn't already a pair that I wouldn't bet the farm on being T-T.

[Kagami]

Ok. I am caught up. It is time

Kagamin, shall we dance?

~I accept~

[Kagami]

I agree with the sentiment of 2+ Gentlescum.

[Kagami]

I get the impression he's transparently sorting

Example?

[Kagami]

I think this behavior is more likely evidence of FB-scum, shiro-town than both scum, but I like where your head is at!

[Kagami]

Dance with me creature

(^.^)b

[Kagami]

The discussion has strangely slid from "Let's vig a Lady" to something weird about goofy reasons to pair that involved gamma getting an offer.

[Kagami]

The discussion has strangely slid from "Let's vig a Lady" to something weird about goofy reasons to pair that involved gamma getting an offer.

hi how do you feel about the current pairing offers

Gamma was one of my favorites for death.

[Kagami]

I'm somewhat annoyed the unwnd is treating this as something that is not a lynching process.

The leftover lady dies. Scum want that leftover lady to not be scum.

[Kagami]

oka-gamma isn't the end of the world as it makes a pretty good lynch.

I would rather like FB-Shiro for similar reasons.

[Kagami]

k

[Kagami]

Scum wants to pair with the most gullible players. Towniness is less important.

[Kagami]

dance with me dunnbaby

Why dunnstral?

[Kagami]

I don't like the speed with which GR realized how he was in error, nor that the error persisted through a 52p+ skim.

[Kagami]

You're a gentleman, unwnd... I'm pretty sure you'll be fine.

[Kagami]

what do you mean; someone pointed it out to me

What did they point out?

[Kagami]

I don't have an issue with the read at all.

If you're aware that there's a confirmed town player in the game, you certainly check that before making a full readslist. Since that wasn't present, he wasn't aware of the existence or nature of a confirmed town.

Ankamius said in 1547 "scumread on the conftown, nice," which should be a very confusing thing to say in this context that I would expect to have to take some time to sort out.

[Kagami]

Conf Town:

GR

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer, Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden, GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro, Cephrir, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

Leaning Scum:

Alisae, OkaPoka

Scum:

Why are Gaiden and GE towny, and why is Alisae scummy?

[Kagami]

Also it's pretty fucked that we are giving shiro and creature partners and apparently not Ali or pops lmao scum are cleaning up here completely for free

There's a reason other forums have a 92% town win rate.

[Kagami]

I don't really have an issue with creature getting a partner, as the slot is likely town. I don't mind lynching it either, as GR looks pretty terrible here.

[Kagami]

@dunn

I think it's pretty weird that his opinion on the lupin slot at p52 was that he apparently disagrees with all the slot's reads except for a townread on his own slot, but they're town because they post a lot.

They also apparently have history, which is enough to justify requesting a dance, but this awkward super-townread feels tacked on to get there.

[Kagami]

pops is conftown to my mind.

[Kagami]

I want unwnd pops, and we never lynch them.

[Kagami]

yes.

Invite pops please.

[Kagami]

oka gamma is a terrific lynch, and Unwnd-pops is a game-winning pair, so let's make that happen.

[Kagami]

Unwnd, please ask pops to the dance, or present a really, really compelling argument for why you would rather not.

[Kagami]

Unwnd, please ask pops to the dance, or present a really, really compelling argument for why you would rather not.

fyi uwynd already asked pops to the dance

Now we wait to see what pops thinks

O, I had no idea!

That changes things a bit.

[Kagami]

I didn't realize he had an offer, ceph...

I would suggest to FG that some tracking be put in place, especially if the game is going to proceed at a rate of 25 pages per day.

[Kagami]

Bitmap should have been the predance lynch.

Though only because shiro was not possible.

Yes.

[Kagami]

Well, I'd have taken Gamma lynch first.

[Kagami]

At least we're likely getting rid of a top-3 poster, even if she's probably town.

[Kagami]

I have bitmap are more likely town than not, but 1568 does not deserve to be treated as town-indicative.

[Kagami]

Don't cut into other peoples' inquiries, plz.

[Kagami]

O, nvm, I guess that's directly relevant to you!

[Kagami]

I'm on board FB/Shiro or OkaGamma.

[Kagami]

*Thumbs up* emoji for bitmap's recent posts.

[Kagami]

It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

[Kagami]

<3

[Kagami]

bitmap is probably town

where is the motivation in scum!bitmap trying to protect bad GR entrance in #1568 after I accidently put kagami as a scumread

makes zero sense to stick out his neck for me when its easier to discredit me

As I had said before, Bitmap is probably town, but this is not a good reason to think why.

It was an extremely clumsy defense that completely missed the point of what it was responding to.

There's a fair amount of scum motivation in defending town, especially if the defense isn't effective.

[Kagami]

@Gamma Emerald:

Could you provide a readslist, something like Ank and DV have given us?

[Kagami]

Like 98% of the posts in the last few pages were not useful to anything

We found our first geriatric diapers club member.

There has been substantial confusion about pairings and offers in the pre-dance, and there will continue to be confusion in the VCs going forward if the thread grows at the current rate.

There is a very real pro-scum effect to excessive posting.

[Kagami]

People on this site generally act as if they're far more confident than they deserve to be; I wouldn't read too much into that.

[Kagami]

I don't want any other flip besides Oka/Gamma rn and I'll be annoying about it if I have to

*thumbs up* emoji.

[Kagami]

I'm inclined to lean away from FB-Shiro and toward Oka-Gamma. I'm not crazy about maria, but I don't think Ank is scum here.

VOTE: Oka-Gamma

[Kagami]

Ceph, do you happen to know offhand which players have asserted FB-town so far?

[Kagami]

It would be so nice if the ms search function allowed for two letter searches.

[Kagami]

100% loudest one though

Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.

[Kagami]

I can avoid that term if Firebringer objects to it. I think Oka/gamma is a good lynch because Oka has a better than 3/16ths chance to flip scum and Gamma Emerald has a better than 3/16ths chance to flip scum each.

What are your odds on FB-shiro?

[Kagami]

I think whether or not that happens depends on the scumfiguration.

[Kagami]

Any idea offhand who is not on the wagon presently and has implied support for FB-Shiro lynch?

[Kagami]

DeasVail

- Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer -

Shiro

OkaPoka

- Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

-

popsofctown

Golden Robster

-

Creature

I'm reading this as "I'm ok to varying extents with lynching any pair that isn't my own and Dunn's.

[Kagami]

what happened between 1545 and 2022, GR?

[Kagami]

what happened between 1545 and 2022, GR?

shiro dropped down to leaning scum nothing else has changed

dun/creature still my strongest townread and fb had a town reaction to his wagon but partnered up with scum!shiro

Why did FB move out of townlean between then and 2475

[Kagami]

what happened between 1545 and 2022, GR?

shiro dropped down to leaning scum nothing else has changed

dun/creature still my strongest townread and fb had a town reaction to his wagon but partnered up with scum!shiro

Why did FB move out of townlean between then and 2475

he didnt i forgot to color him in

DeasVail

- Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer

-

Shiro

OkaPoka

- Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

-

popsofctown

Golden Robster

-

Creature

Then isn't Oka-GE the correct vote?

[Kagami]

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

GRob-Creature seems a lot better than Dunn-Maria here. Fire-Shiro is arguably also pretty good.

[Kagami]

O hush, there are a lot of posts to read.

[Kagami]

I don't think the dunn case is super-duper compelling, but it's an interesting take and I appreciate you having presented it and your list.

[Kagami]

I wanna read MariaR just like any old player

I have played with her before and this is correct.

[Kagami]

Dunn-Maria

What???

Dunn-bitmap, doesn't change anything.

[Kagami]

*Thumbs up* emoji for pops 2608

[Kagami]

*on fire* emoji for 2609, but I would be against that as lynch numero uno.

[Kagami]

*on fire* emoji for 2609, but I would be against that as lynch numero uno.

Should I just spare us all the way this is dragging and leave

I dont really mean that, but I feel it.

Seems a little silly and melodramatic. Best way to clear your slot is to champion a scummerino lynch #1! You two have the power~~~

[Kagami]

Where are you guys at on reads anyway? (my apologies if I've missed it)

[Kagami]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

<---

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

Gamma is so so

How about we just get on with lynching this pair then? A non-town plus a so-so seems pretty solid.

[Kagami]

You know that if no one leaves the dance voluntarily likely this game will end in a scum win

Or you can just vote for reasonable lynches, with an openness for compromise that should be expected given perpetually even numbers.

[Kagami]

FB/Shiro is an inferior lynch by a large margin.

[Kagami]

Even if they're both town, they're never good endgame material.

The gamestate is such that they, if town, could very easily become nearly-confirmed town. I'm ok with that in endgame.

[Kagami]

I like the Creature slot a lot.

What about GRob? Just because one side is towny doesn't mean the pair is exempt from lynching.

If oka is scum, then without question GRob gets rope. I'm less keen on that otherwise.

[Kagami]

Make it so, ensign.

[Kagami]

Ok, we have a little while before FG wakes up, so do have any further reads, gamma?

[Kagami]

This is fine.

[Kagami]

I hope you mean S/T?

[Kagami]

Its pathetic that we still havent lynched two people who literally both only show up to flail at whoever is attacking them and then goes back to silence, instead choosing a pair that is actually playing the game and not doing anything particularly wrong that anyone has actually articulated. Why doesnt this smell plainly scum motivated to anyone else?

Meh, I kind of bullied it, but sure.

I don't think FB-Shiro lynch is objectively wrong by its own merit by any stretch of the imagination, but there were enough weird configurational issues in Oka-GE that I'd rather that happen first.

[Kagami]

I hope you mean S/T?

If it's S/T scum!gamma will refuse to provide me useful information or the information provided will be input from scum!oka which I guess maybe oka could put bad distancing inside of the love pt I didn't think about that?

Yes, if Oka is scum, then his reads are super interesting. If he's town, then I am only interested in if he has seen something that everyone else is missing.

[Kagami]

GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

[Kagami]

We have plenty of time; the most important thing right now is not "who is the next scummo," but rather which pairs are very likely to be clean given Oka-scum.

[Kagami]

Kagami has one antitown post all game

There's a link to it in the OP

Fun fact, btw, is that Gaiden is 374% town (possible only via density manipulation), and was the best pick for me by far.

[Kagami]

i guess i'm more or less forced to VOTE: shiro because i don't think i'm a good lynch

For heaven's sake ceph, there's a wealth of goodies out there in thread-land. Why is it you or FB-Shiro?

Mustn't there be more fuel for the FB-Shiro fire if there is a scummerino in there?

[Kagami]

And unless you're envisioning FB-Shiro being a scumpair, there's a third sneaky snake lurking about, whom only the olfactory powers of the mighty warthog can find!

[Kagami]

Well, does the revelation that Oka is scum do anything to modify your read on FB-Shiro? If there's nothing in the Oka-FB-Shiro triple ISO that moves you, then it's probably a sign that they are innocent. If there is something, then it's worth casing out.

[Kagami]

DeasVail help us we are struggling

*question mark* *shocked face* emojis

[Kagami]

Ceph, if there's something to be disappointed about in your positions so far, it's that there's a lack of breadth in a setup that really wants breadth. The pairs mechanic leads to a lot of interactive play that ended with Oka-Gamma being the clearly correct lynch despite their own performance being less scummy than FB-Shiro's.

Now if we're hypothesizing FB-Shiro has scum, and Oka was scum; then the third scummo was in a really interesting position from the outset. How did that third scummo navigate this? What kind of things does scummo #3 do or not do? Who fits that profile and who doesn't?

[Kagami]

Who me, maria?

I don't really think a FB-Shiro lynch is correct, but there's a lot of new interactions to consider, and I'm happy to be swayed by good arguments and other things I may have missed.

[Kagami]

One more, so we have 6+ days to think and discuss.

[Kagami]

Has DV provided any updates to 2367 in your pt, Ceph?

[Kagami]

GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

So the bitmap-scum angle to this is that Oka specifically picked out not liking a partner doing something, and only in the privacy of his PT?

[Kagami]

Seems pretty unlikely that he had made that post recently. I think we can safely assume that this post was made when it was very much up in the air who was the lynch.

Creature was even pushing a suicide rather than lynch, which is something that is always a possibility given enough of a stall.

[Kagami]

So what's the tl;dr on maria scum here?

[Kagami]

So what's the tl;dr on maria scum here?

Dunn's ISO

That's not a tl;dr.

I had read Dunn's ISO before, and don't recall anything super interesting, hence the request for a summary through the eyes of everyone's favorite raster format.

[Kagami]

So what's the tl;dr on maria scum here?

Dunn's ISO

That's not a tl;dr.

I had read Dunn's ISO before, and don't recall anything super interesting, hence the request for a summary through the eyes of everyone's favorite raster format.

What did you ask me?

I want you to explain your scumread without using buzz words because half of the stuff your accusing me is stuff that isn't happening and is just baseless assumptions. I want you to explain why Bit is town because they're very clearly scum in my eyes. Do that and I'll answer your questions.
pedit: You'd be surprised. Also I've stated meta doesn't work on me in many games not just this one, because it doesn't. If my play was so easy to detect with Meta I wouldn't have such a highscum winrate.

My scumread on you is as follows:

- You are playing a very neutral game, other people see this as towny but it's not, for you, it's something you can easily do as scum
- You repeatedly ask the same question instead of taking the initiative when I'm explaining why I think bitmap is town multiple times in thread
- Process of elimination - other people look towny and you don't
- You avoid answering questions and then say "why would I do that as scum" - that's not how it works. I don't know why you'd do it as scum, but it doesn't make you town. Why would you do it as town?
- As soon as I voted you you did a 180 where even though you refused to give reads on me when I asked multiple times, all of a sudden I 'could be scum, if bitmap is town'

-Pushing easy lynches
-Setting up Dunn for getting auto-lynched whether or not he picked me or Alisae

There's some more but I'm going to play video games. So I'll post sometime in a few hours.

Dunn's townread on you is shallow and boring, so I don't take issue with Maria not liking it, especially since Dunn was being explicitly cagey about it. Now if Dunn has a strong meta-read that he would bet his life on (which is the first bullet there), I would take that into consideration.

That said, there are some things I see in maria's iso that are worthy of suspicion.

Ank, can you flesh out the GR read for me?

[Kagami]

Has maria supported your read or otherwise spoken to you about GR-creature pair?

[Kagami]

(in the pt, that is)

[Kagami]

Checking in folks!

Discussion has been good, interesting stuff.

In general, I don't have the warm fuzzies on GR-creature that most of the party seems to have, and if FB-Shiro are town, then I'm looking very hard at GR's progression on FB-Shiro + readslist (and interaction with me specifically) in the context of oka-scum.

I saw the FB-Shiro defense from oka, but I'm not sure that's an open and shut case, and Dunn seems to have arrived at the same place there. In particular, I don't understand why oka would treat the pair as a unit in defending scum-them rather than specifically argue that the town half is town and the scum half isn't sufficiently disagreeable to lynch.

I also don't know if there's enough to suggest DunnMap is clean from Oka-Gamma interactions. There's certainly a special interest in minor things about Bitmap while ignoring most of the playerlist.

[Kagami]

I'm trying to think about where the correct lynch is here, which is mostly going to depend on who I would think is scum with Bitmap if he is indeed a scummerino.

Would also be pretty funny if it were FB AND Shiro, hence oka's non-specific defense of the pair and the initial disinterest in pairing up.

[Kagami]

I'm coming round to Ceph-DV being the greedy choice. Might be the correct choice too, since the primary scum candidates have had little of note to say about each other.

[Kagami]

VOTE: DeasVail - Cephrir

[Kagami]

I believe that is L-Gaiden-1

[Kagami]

I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said!

[Kagami]

I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said!

really? i thought you were deliberately playing close to the chest.

This is kind of true, and I have a lot of ideas bouncing around, but I don't think adding chaos is right here. I'd like for GR-Creature to remain open, and don't entirely disagree with the possibility of deepwolf or w/e if DV is a townerino.

[Kagami]

I have arrived.

Can't touch this!

[Kagami]

If DV flips scum, just lynch them both.

[Kagami]

I mean, you probably want to lynch Bitmap almost no matter what.

[Kagami]

Honestly once a second scum flips, designate the top 2 town pairings and just flip everyone else

Don't get complacent, on a second scumflip, take the time to evaluate before going crazy.

[Kagami]

I'm not very worried about this game on DV scumflip. We should probably spend more energy on the branch of DV townflip

Yes.

[Kagami]

hrm that's too many people I want to give more time given that we're going to be making 5 lynches in 8 days

4 lynches. It will be fine.

[Kagami]

BTW If I remember correctly games scum won didnt kill the Innocent child.

I think not

probably lolold-site-meta

Starry Night - IC paired with town. Shot during intermission. Town win.
Witches' Halloween Ball - IC paired with town. Shot during intermission. Town win.
Valentine's Dance - IC paired with scum. Town win.
Midsummer Night's Revelry - IC paired with town. Survives to endgame. Town win.
New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - IC paired with town. Shot during intermission. Scum win.
Summer Waltz - IC paired with town. Shot during intermission. Scum win.
Spring Waltz - IC paired with scum. Scum win.

It was only by a massive lapse in ability to follow the thread that we lost valentine's dance =\

Thanks for the game, FG!

[Kagami]

I don't think it's sustainable to run secret alt games all the time so I think removing the IC and calling it a day is probably good for the setup. I can't imagine the setup feels too scumsided afterwards.

I don't play offsite cause MS is da bess

I think if all the players have reasonable strong scumgames, the setup is balanced. The issue is the same one that all nightlesses have, where sometimes you have players who are so obviously town that there's no lynching them, and if two are paired up, it's GG.

I suspect getting a scummo in the IC pair is +ev, since it frees up a kill on whatever pair is never being lynched. But really, who would you have used it on here?

[Kagami]

Seemed like going into intermission, every pair was mislynchable.

[Kagami]

I'm not sure that the town would turn against Gaiden.

[Kagami]

I do agree that that's a gambit worth considering more than previous scumteams have, but I'm not sure it would have worked out in this case.

[Kagami]

In the end, the balance doesn't really ~feel~ too bad.

The game seemed close enough to me, and while the scumteam played a good game, the town also played a very strong game.

Maybe it leans one way or the other, but it feels like a solid game was played, and the town earned a win.

[Kagami]

Q: How bad an idea would it be for scum to deliberately pair together? I looked through all the previous games and I think it has happened at most once?

It's risky af but it screws with the theory really hard (for instance, scumbloc > superbasicallyconfTownbloc in 2v2)

We would have won Valentine's Dance with me paired with IC ~and~ two scum paired if I hadn't been extremely RL busy post intermission. Had I hammered Reck (and there was no reason for me not to if I had realized he was L-1), I'm pretty sure we don't lose.

[Kagami]

I felt like I was at a material disadvantage in the game by not having friendships within site meta and I don't really think mafia should be about that. I think it would have been far easier to win dancing with DV than with unwnd as an example and that was never an option because I don't have whatever relationship Cephrir has with him

*thumbs up* emoji. Pairs are largely determined by who you have some rapport with on site, with some selection among those. You could have even been left out potentially.

(and yes, the emoji posts were because of your GD thread)

[Kagami]

If you had killed us faster, I could have joined the new G&R!