BTE: Boon Wars - Revenge of the Jingle

[Darth TyTitus]

I will die in the night just before LyLo, don't worry. Scum won't tackle the challenge of pushing me during the day especially if I have a gun and I can shoot my pushers if you think I'm that type of a player.

I want to worry about you less just because you're top poster, the game needs activity, and the lurkers are scummy

[Darth Easy Baker]

Scum who successfully push the idea risk losing 1 to gain who knows how many mislynches.

One.

Even if they believed they could actually convince people of that theory, it's debunked after a single target flips town.

And that target is going to be pissed at getting wagoned on such a stupid theory, so guess who they might take it out on with their vengekill?

[Darth Easy Baker]

If a bad guy flips town first then the (now known to be at least one) scum bad guy is safer, after the 'bad guy = scum' theory is discarded.

Fallacy fallacy. If an argument in favor of X is disproven, that doesn't provide evidence in favor of not-X.

[Padme Almostdala]

Darth TyTitus, if you're talking about Palpatine, shouldn't you be scum reading Deb for wanting to lynch every single lurker other than Palpatine? Confused.

[Darth TyTitus]

He's gained a townread for other reasons

#DarthSquad

[Nute Krazy]

There's a world where Irrelph is scum and he was active during my lynch not to push for a counterwagon and express how town I am, but to make me shoot Nute by pointing scummy things about him. Sure.

Push for a counterwagon to whom?

You're suggesting that scum!Organa went out of his way to save town!you by pushing for a

counterwagon

.
Counterwagons are counters to scum.
You know damn well what that implies.
People sometimes slip their true feelings this way.
Yes, that does mean that I do not consider you conf!town. You're still in the town bucket.

If you were trying to say that Organa is town because of this, you turn right around and say he's scum later so I'm now confused.
Trying to say I'm scummy for asking about this is Krazy.
It's possible that I'm misreading your entire intent with the post, which is

why I asked the question

.
If you have a town response (uh, yeah I guess counterwagon isn't quite the right term here) then it gets rid of the suspicion the comment caused.

[Padme Almostdala]

Counterwagons are counters to scum

2nd top wagon, there, then.

[Nute Krazy]

Scum who successfully push the idea risk losing 1 to gain who knows how many mislynches.

One.

Even if they believed they could actually convince people of that theory, it's debunked after a single target flips town.

And that target is going to be pissed at getting wagoned on such a stupid theory, so guess who they might take it out on with their vengekill?

If a bad guy flips town first then the (now known to be at least one) scum bad guy is safer, after the 'bad guy = scum' theory is discarded.

Fallacy fallacy. If an argument in favor of X is disproven, that doesn't provide evidence in favor of not-X.

Whether the logic is correct or not is immaterial, because the average MS player couldn't find logic if it were glowing right in front of them.
Actually that's an exaggeration, but at times it feels that way.
What matters is the sheep of the wifom. And how people will townread the person making the illogical leap because scum wouldn't be stupid.

[Nute Krazy]

Counterwagons are counters to scum

2nd top wagon, there, then.

There, that's settled.
Now help me understand if you were trying to rule out Organa as scum with that.
I actually do believe the second part of it, that the real goal was trying to get you to venge me.

[Padme Almostdala]

I was arguing that Organa could've been scum that wanted me to shoot you instead.

[Padme Almostdala]

Obi, what's your read on Irrelph?

[Nute Krazy]

I was arguing that Organa could've been scum that wanted me to shoot you instead.

Tacking on the ',sure' acted as a sarcasm trigger for me, in conjunction with the bad terminology.
So it turns out we agree in our interpretation of that event?
I'd need to look back at Organa approach to Palpatine.

[Padme Almostdala]

So it turns out we agree in our interpretation of that event?

Yeah.

[Padme Almostdala]

and the apparent lack of punishment for this is possibly scum indicative.

If this flips scum then the mechanic is something that's hardly recognisable. Perhaps the theory that scum get to choose when towns get vengeful is a good one.

[Arist2D2]

Scum usually don't push crackpot theories they know are false, it just makes them look dumb.

not everyone plays the same way that you do.
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Can we use this somehow... and vote No Lynch.. and try and go for Loyal Doctor + Vig clear shenanigans for clearning purposes?
I can bring it up just for "village idiot" points if not

For example this player is deliberating pushing something that he clearly believes to be unbelievable for village idiot points.

[Arist2D2]

Subject: Mini Normal 2067: Mafia Hideout

K- this won't work.
I'm going to bring it up then for village idiot points

STOP NINJAING ME pedit
Yeah but I can probably find a way to 180 the past game's experience.
Maybe.
I'll think on the more optimal claim until Vedith chimes in

another quote of this player going for 'village idiot points'

it's almost like scum looking like bad town is good for them because they want to not get lynched and if people write them off as bad town they don't get lynched

[Padme Almostdala]

If there are 4 scum then we should always land a hit in my PoE regardless if we lynch the town in it.

I still haven't heard people talking about my PoE.

[Arist2D2]

our push may lack nuance but that's because this is really simple stuff. nothing about this case is difficult to understand and I haven't seen a single valid reason against it.

Nobody here has given ANY reason why it makes sense for Irrelph as town to come into d3 pushing that all the bad guys are scum as a bad guy townflip. In fact there's no reason t to believe that in the first place. There's nothing to 'analyze' about their reasons for saying this. There is no valid reason.

They're just scum. Looking for village idiot points.

[Arist2D2]

If there are 4 scum then we should always land a hit in my PoE regardless if we lynch the town in it.

I still haven't heard people talking about my PoE.

It has rce and Irrelph in it, it's pretty good as a consequence of that, idk what else to say.

[Arist2D2]

Hey Padme, I'm looking at Annie's ISO and don't get how you think it points to DEB?

Yeah it's 15p lol I have a bad memory sometimes. It's most likely 4 by a lot based on reads but it could be 3 possibly IF the inactive power is awful.

Is this making a leap that the active / inactive thing is the scum power?
Awful in the sense of being a bad thing for town which means a great power for scum?

Yeah the latter is what I mean. If the inactive mechanic is very very scumsided I think it may be three here but otherwise I think it's four.

[Arist2D2]

Arist was not frustrated by Irrelph's argument itself. They were frustrated by people calling it town, and they reacted to this by repeating that "too dumb to be scum" isn't a thing without really seeking to understand why people were arguing that.

People think that scum don't want to fake bad play because people don't want to listen to them that way, but even if you think it's suboptimal play scum can still do it. What else is there to understand?

[Arist2D2]

Uhh what is there to understand? They literally went "Guys I think all the bad guys...... Are just the bad guys!" Then set the blunt down I presume.

I mean, you can analyze what brought about the theory, you can analyze whether they would have actually expected people to buy it as scum or if they expected to just be laughed at, you can go down the rabbit hole of "did they expect people to say it was too dumb to be scum," or maybe they're scum with another evil flavor and it was a distancing attempt...

There's a lot you can consider here.

1) of course I thought about it and all I can come up with is a red role PM! it's not like anyone has actually offered a viable alternative explanation!

2) clearly the latter, there's nothing to analyze here.

3) yes because as we've observed today scum do play for village idiot points.

4) this is literally pure speculation. there's no evidence for and against and therefore nothing to analyze.

[Padme Almostdala]

Dude it's really not the end of the world to be mislynched

ew this looks like tmi now that I look back

[Padme Almostdala]

Dude it's really not the end of the world to be mislynched

, just take a chill pill

It's probably more harmful to town that you outed yourself, rather than us mislynching you day 1

Also "no one is defending you" - your wagon feels like it's DISSOLVING because people are using your shitstorm to flip votes off of you. Makes it pretty easy for your buddies, hm.

I don't see this reaction coming from a town

who's about to be mislynched ever

Just got out of a game where a scum used this to get people to townread them, it shouldn't be rewarded

ew ew ew

i wanna flip my PoE can I

[Padme Almostdala]

Irrelph I want you to be town my lover, come talk to me about your reads

Love your play style, you have me pocketed

DEB can also be town, fuck me

maybe it is just TyTitus and Obi-someth, damn