The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

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Vote: Chickadead

Unless someone scum slips, I'm not changing my vote.

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Im also gonna start calling the mod

schITHEaad_

until he fixes my name :p

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Let me give a few counter-points...

we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless

Day 1 is also the day where town shoots itself in the proverbial foot the hardest. They are more likely to lynch one of their own than any other alignment, and they are likely to bring out a few claims along the way. Going into Night 1 with a quick lynch of an anti-town element means that no one person has presented themselves as a major threat for night killing, role-blocking, or other shenanigans. Assuming some sort of power exists in this game, Night 1 can bring a lot of information to bear for discussion on Day 2 depending on how the evening plays out and whether or not information is worth sharing. Stances can just as easily form on Day 2 based around the kill(s) and power results, and work out in such a way that we can skip any kind of random dance phase and assume a Night 0 had happened instead.

we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.

Scum typically only bus when their team requires it, so I wouldn't expect a full on scum bus on Day 1 in most cases.
However, Town also gets to save information based on their roles so any shot(s) tonight would be taken based on fear of a player slot, which depending on who is what role, could cause overlap if we have multiple factions. Assuming any exist, Serial Killers will be the most blind since they would literally be shooting in the dark.

the 3p very likely is important to the main gimmick of the setup, which i assume we universally have little knowledge on. i'd rather see what that connection is before lynching them in case it's useful for town

The setup has been advertised as having multiple third parties, which means that as town, we want as many gone as we can in order to remove the swing potential of the game.

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I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

The game is advertised as heavily 3rd party. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't even a mafia team. So yeah, unless someone scumslips, I'm voting any antitown element.

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I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

The game is advertised as heavily 3rd party. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't even a mafia team. So yeah, unless someone scumslips, I'm voting any antitown element.

I am pretty sure that this game has an obligatory anti-town role.
Survivour is not an obligatory anti-town.
We want to lynch sameone who is likely to be obligatory anti-town than survivour.
You don't try to find obligatory anti-town. Instead your only activity is pushing survivour claim.
So you don't play to town wincon.

So you are taking a non-town player's claim at face value and 100% believing it. Understood.

I mean, my mind instantly jumped from "I have a night action that protects me" (ie, he does something and is therefore protected) to "hey, this guy could be a bullet proof serial killer giving an excuse to kill.". It's a bit extreme, sure, but can you really trust any 3rd party claim? They are in it for themselves after all.

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I've never understood why this community is so blasse about 3rd party claims.

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I've actually got a slight town read on YAYVIDEOGAMES. There's not been much to talk about other than the Survivor claim, YVG doesn't appear to be active lurking since the discussion points are rather stale to begin with. I think town would definitely be more inclined to pop in and out waiting for discussion to kick off, and I'd be more inclined to read minimal effort right now as more scum motivated. Basically anyone with a single post count right now is more scummy than YVG to me.

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I'm just calling it like I see it. I have no reason to vote anyone else yet.

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I personally think that the 3rd parties (purely based on the way schadd hyped it up early on) are more dangerous to that core!scum is

My thoughts as well, but keep it shushed or you might get scum read for it.

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So 24 hrs is up, and I'd very much like to hear what chemist, venge, and gamma have to say.

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So 24 hrs is up, and I'd very much like to hear what chemist, venge, and gamma have to say.

I had the same thought yesterday and had to go reread the opening post. They had 24 hours to post "ego" but they still can't talk.

Well then there now. If pandas could blush...

Almost all my reads are pretty null, but my gut is telling me that Old Dogs is probably town. I like most the people who are at least posting since the game is stale; scumbags have no need to talk or direct conversation while a game is stale, so their input will generally be minimal and/or irrelevant. My biggest non-survivor scum read as of right now is NotMySpamAccount since he has literally one non-ego post since the game started.

who's even scumreading people for thinking 3p are dangerous toog

The point made was that thinking about third parties will get you scum read, like Voted's list. I am completely baffled that you firmly believe that this is some kind of classic mafia game with a standardized third party presence. The sign ups literally say

"if youve ever had the thought "damn i wish i weren't a third party this game" or "i hate dealing with this fucking third party. i'm gonna go smoke weed so that i stop being mad about it" this game might not be for you

, and my signup had me stating (sarcastically) that I didn't want to roll third party and the mod called me out on it.

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Oh Jesus...

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Voted is probably town.

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uh... Voted?

What.

Why did I just become a masonizer?

I gained that role, but it wasn't the role I started with.

You mean this claim by the person who is not Chickadead/theworst/zeebu?

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What other 3p would I want to represent if not survivor? Honest question. I can’t think of one.

So is LAL still a thing on MS?

I mean if zeebu isn't really a survivor and the predecessor lied, is lynching zeebu day 1 still off the table?

Not much else has changed in my readslist, and I'll continue to town hunt instead of scum hunt for now until I'm clearer on the mechanical setup

Not removing vote, and zeebu has only strengthened my conviction of it

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KidAmn

I want to lynch toog and i want to pressure kidadmin

I'd probably want to lynch me too. I clearly have no idea what to do in this game.

But if you want to lynch me and pressure kid, why are you sheep voting 11:30?

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Whats your current thoughts on the game toog?

You dont have to settle for being a nonpresence.

Haven't changed much since my last posts. I find it more productive for me to attempt to town hunt this game given the mechanics. I'm not convinced of what kind of group scum we are dealing with vs. what amount and types of third party exist, so I want to eliminate variables that I think need to be eliminated and focus on figuring out who has my best interests and represents the best town game.

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what kinds of groupscum exist besides groupscum

werewolves are identical to mafia? What else could there be

Personally, my original thinking with setup spec in regards to the allegory of the sign up topic was two teams of two which could either be classified as group scum or aligned serial killers, jester, survivor, poisoner, lyncher, or maybe even a cult.

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Unvote;
Vote: Chickadee

...for survival since apparently the winds have changed.

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No offense intended to Chickadee, I actually liked that they were pushing zeebu with me.

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Not sure what I'm at, but oh well...

I'm a Neutral-Aligned Survivor. I have no abilities other than my vote. I win when any other faction has secured it's own victory conditions and I am still alive.

This is the predominant reason I have been pushing zeebu, especially because of the claim that they had some kind of action, and that I really had no direction this game since I've never been a Survivor and have no idea the best way to play it. I figured I would start with town hunting and try and coast on Day 1. My stance as town is that third parties are detriments to town, regardless of role, so I tried to emulate that a bit as well.

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My reads haven't changed much.

I liked YVG early on, Voted seems rather obvious, and Old Dogs is probably town as well. I don't have a problem with Chickadee really, it's just a survival thing.

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The players I like least are Vorkuta, insomnia, and yourself. I'm sure it's entirely biased though.

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Me of all people? k.

You don't feel like you are worthy of being read in a negative manner?

Honestly, it's just a gut thing for the three of you, nothing more, and well, maybe a little bias, like I said.

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Actually, I think I have insomnia mixed up with someone else. For some reason, I thought they were moving from wagon to wagon, but they've been pretty adamant about Chick with only a slight shift to 11:30 at one point.

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Obviously I want Zeebu lynched though, since his original slot's claim doesn't mesh with my role afaict.

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Also, care to paraphrase as exactly as possible your wincon? Like be specific.

I more or less did.

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I dont get why you wouldnt just play 3p like VT? Youre more active and proddy than this.

Playing 3P requires a bit more tactical play than just pretending to be Third Party. For every slot I'm wrong about in my conviction, it holds more dire stakes than just being wrong as a VT. I can still win the game if you lynched me because I was bad at being a VT.

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pretending to be Third Party

EBWOP: pretending to be VT.

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I feel like you all should be a bit more receptive to how shady I think the zeebu slot is, and I think I am justified replacing my vote.

Unvote;
Vote: zeebu

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I mean, why is anyone even defending the slot, especially if zeebu isn't actually a Survivor at this point?

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The setup has been advertised as having multiple third parties, which means that as town, we want as many gone as we can in order to remove the swing potential of the game.

Toog why would you say this given your claimed role?

Subterfuge. It's still relevant though since we literally have no idea the setup and how heavy an influence third party is. I would sincerely doubt that I am the only one.

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Toog did you know that wagon-killing power would activate? Like was that a thing you did, or did it surprise you too?

I kinda like that readslist coming from chickadee, though I'm just now doing the catchup on the whole thread thing, so let me report back on if that holds

-irrel

I had no idea that it was going to happen. If I had the ability to diffuse the wagon like that, I wouldn't have claimed.

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I'll place my vote on a wagon to avoid a No Lynch. Need to see a VC and evaluate where my town reads are.

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Unvote;
Vote: Vorkuta

Not a fan of the slot anyways, and town reads on YVG and Old Dogs is good.

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What needs to be done to avoid a No Lynch at this point?

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Definite V/LA for Independence Day. Slight V/LA over the weekend.

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Spitballing, but could groupscum's NK been blocked and 3M is a Vig/3P's target? The NK seems random and not any of the players I would have suspected.

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Like seriously, I thought for sure the Old Dog was gonna be put down

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Old Dog = obvtown

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Vote: Chickadee

Insomnia is very convincing.

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Some thoughts from a

totally unbiased

Survivor PoV...

-mastina being this quiet is extremely uncharacteristic of her. I've seen her scum and her town game, and in both she attempts to lead town or at the very least push her strong reads towards their lynch.
-For that matter, Titus is also uncharacteristically inactive, but that's probably what the Hydra is for.
-This is creature's "meta" in general, and I've never seen it to be NAI.
-zeebu is still alive, why?

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Also, four flipped Vanilla Townies suggests a very power-lite game, so I do raise an eyebrow at anyone who has suggested they have a night action.

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pagetop competitions have been the most engaging aspect of the game thus far.

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The goal is to get the damn 3ps to play mafia

My guess is that if a single player is responsible for the lockdown of the players, then lynching them gives town 3 more townies to use for Voting and Endgaming purposes.


Thus a toog lynch is advisable.

Ok...

A) I'm playing in such a way that I dictate my own survival. I support my town reads lynch wagons, and have (multiple times) expressed who I sincerely doubt has an incompatible win con with town. The fact that I'm a survivor and have claimed it has painted me into a corner that it wouldn't matter what I said anyways, and you aren't likely to listen (as based on my non biased comments earlier being brushed aside) anyways.

2) If I were said single player responsible for the lockdown of the players, it would make no sense for me to claim Survivor in the first place. Moreover, why do you naturally assume they have an alignment to begin with, let alone that they are all aligned with town? If they were all town and killing one person unlocks them to play the game, you should be more concerned with the fact that Mafia would definitely need to be a fairly significantly sized team (4 or 5).

D) I can only fight for my life and do what I feel is in my best interests. I am completely at the mercy of the majority, but pushing my lynch is just another mislynch for scum as well. So don't be so whimsical about it.

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In an effort to be more

useful

, here is what my current reads are on each slot. Someone let me know if I forgot anyone since I'm not really paying attention to the replacements and inactivity.

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TOWN
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Old Dogs -=- My read on Old Dogs has pretty much not wavered since Day 1. The game state, as it is, hasn't required scum to really attempt to motivate town or faux hunt, so as much effort as this slot puts in without any sort of pressure against them, I feel it to be very town motivated.

Voted -=- Voted was a strong town read Day 1 due to several townslips, but has since dropped off the radar. His lack of activity is concerning to the endgame, but I would be surprised if he were scum.


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TOWN LEANS
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YVG -=- I had a stronger town read on them earlier in the game, but as of late my read has diminished some mostly due to paranoia of their form of scum hunting. They seem more interested in not disturbing the status quo too often, and many of their pushes seem more for reactionary purposes. I've lost some confidence on their slot, but not enough to commit it to a scum read.

Rhinox -=- I honestly had no idea who this guy was or who he replaced, but I feel like he's was an easy target for votes with little to no discussion about how he deserved them. Old Dogs has a strong opinion of him, which strengthens my belief that this slot might have been being set up to be a goat for mislynch bait.


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NULL
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Wh4t -=- I can't read this slot, or it's motivations. I completely forgot they even existed until today tbqh. I'm not ready to commit an alignment read at this time.

mastina -=- As I mentioned earlier, mastina is very uncharacteristically quiet this game. I understand she is sick, and I highly doubt that that is an excuse to lurk or give lack of content and that she is legit not feeling well. The fact that she hasn't replaced means that she is invested, but I cannot develop a read on her slot given I have never seen mastina in this quiet of a capacity before.

Creature -=- I still believe the activity of this slot is typical Creature, and NAI. I typically always have a null read on Creature until endgame where their playstyle tends to shift towards more active and motives can be discerned. Until then, he's typically rather trollish and lynchbaity as usual.


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LEAN SCUM
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pisskop -=- I don't really feel this slot is scum hunting in the same general sense that town would normally do. I feel like there is more subtle attempts to shade slots from pisskop and attempt to push an agenda without being at the forefront of the conversations. Their votes tend to be more sheepish and part of wagons than charge leading, but it doesn't stop them lobbying random suspicions in an attempt to garner some interest elsewhere.

11:30 -=- There seems to be a little dispute between the two heads, and I've been reading it more as damage control in an attempt to keep the status quo. I'm not a fan that they seem to be all over the place attempting to see what cases can stick and then trying to make peace when they feel that their case was outdisputed.


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SCUM
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zeebu -=- duh. I basically counter-claimed them in my first post of the game, and now they have rescinded any notion that they are 3rd party. Lack of additional night kills does reduce the chance of them being SK or Poisoner. There is a possibility they are a Cult, which I think the mod mentioned something about on Day 2 or 3, in which case, we have bigger things to worry about than just them. However, if they were a cult, there is a severe lack of killing power to help reduce the numbers, so I'm going to allay that suspicion and just assume they are groupscum or non-town wincon compliant. There lurking hasn't inspired me in any way to assume otherwise.

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If I forgot anyone, I probably had no idea they existed and were alive in this game.

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I play on Couerl.

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Vote: Creature

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I totally am neutral survivor, and not gonna lie, I will literally vote anyone today just for my win.

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iso 22, he reveals that literally any visiting town in the game can vig him if they want LOL

why does he claim this?

because he's fucking Toog

I don't know how I should feel right now.

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You guys are cute. I still am not a self-governor, nor do I still have any idea what saved me on Day 1.

For those of you who think I am group-scum, do yourself a favor and find my buddies for me. In the off chance I am a Survivor, you may want to lynch one of them first so that you don't lose the game!

In all seriousness though. I love town, I hate scum. In every game I play, I always root to be town over scum. Being scum gives me anxiety and in general, I just hate lying to people and love open honesty. When I play scum, I have to find ways to stretch truths and make them more believable in order to sleep better at night (true story). Therefore, if I had to choose a side I

want

to win with, it will forever and always be town. I haven't cast a vote today because I wanted to watch the game state play out and see if I could discern motivations from various players and see if I could determine alignment.

I was

really

hoping scum would try and get me to be Kingmaker and out themselves and all vote for one person, assuming that I would just capitalize on the free win, and then I would turn the tables and vote one of them instead. However, as the days have passed, this has seemed less and less likely to occur. So either, there aren't 3 scum, they didn't think of doing that, or they didn't trust me to follow through with it.

I'm kind of tired of waiting for the game to play out now and think the most optimal play for me is to vote with my gut and just pick the player I assume is the most likely to be scum. If 3 players don't quickly follow through on my vote, it makes me feel better that I'm not voting for town.

Vote; 11:30

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Ugh... not Tog again.

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Somehow, that's worse.

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Unvote;
Vote: Auro

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Unvote

What ever...

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isnt it boring to just be a vestigial parasite?

Thoust woundeth me.

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Omgus

Vote: YVG

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(Hint: Town doesn't win here)

~ Pichu

Any scum looking for a winning side, just tell me who to vote. I'll do it.

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hacksually.

hacksually.


hacksually I just had a disturbing thought

hey toog. Do you. . . . understand how a survivor in lylo works?

Totally wingin' it.

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Unvote;
Vote: 11:30

[Toogeloo]

Unvote

Let's try something else...

Other than myself, where would people like me to vote?

Most popular choice wins!

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Rhinox

[Toogeloo]

Thanks for bringing it home, mates. Rather humorous we only needed one mafian for that final mislynch though.

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k so that's basically what I was thinking but i was confused because I can't tell whether people we considering openwolfing as a towntell or scumtell X)

To give you an example, in early game, I was open wolfing while Voted was deep wolfing. It's not so much a tell but rather a playstyle, and it's WIFOM based in most cases since town players need to determine open wolf players as being scum or not while finding the deep wolves without getting too paranoid about it.

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Subject: mystery box of silver 5: Olf Lair this is done

Can we maybe get a link to the Discord lol. Once that Discord was set up, the thread died and seeing the thought processes was completely gone <_>

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oops, nm, didn't realize the discord above was it lol... I'm slow today.

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I don't envy the third party in this game. That kind of win condition would be like herding cats.