BTE: Boon Wars - Revenge of the Jingle
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Arist2D2 Goon
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ok after an entirely inconclusive discussion I think we've agreed to treat Tytitus as town for now
I tr'd Shiro's approach to the wagon because, I didn't really understand the Frozen wagon either and I've pushed before that when a bad lynch happens there should be scum on it, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with that. And like as far as I understand, they're saying now that they are still pushing you because they felt that your reaction would make sense from scum knowing RCE and Irrelph would flip town.
I don't think it's too rare for townies to be wrong about two scumreads."*whistles* *whistles* *various beeps*"-
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Arist2D2 Goon
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Idk I think Obi and DEB's interactions are really off and they're both pretty sketchy individually. Like, Deb soft defends Obi once, and Obi has Deb as really high town just because of this, saying they have no reason to soft defend Obi. I don't think scum need a direct agenda reason to defend town other than needing to look like they have reads; being consistent with your fake reads is also something scum can do, right? So I think it makes no sense that Obi townreads Deb so hard just for this. Later Deb throws off an 'Obi might be scum' in contradiction to his earlier townlean. Padme presses Obi on his Deb read, saying scum have motivation to defend a townie, and Obi says he has a fair point, but doesn't seem to actually re-evaluate his read, calling Deb town again later. I think that's our best chance at hitting scum.
also I've kind of lost a lot of faith in the whole intentionally ignorant thing after Irrelph flipped town idk"*whistles* *whistles* *various beeps*"-
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Shirobacca Goon
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So you're using your own misrep to back your argument now?In post 1198, Darth TyTitus wrote:(I used the wording "Shiro thinks the game is won by voting off the wagon" which they argued with, but if you're tunnel voting on a wagon, that's directing the game to a single focus because you're putting the fate of the game on this claim that scum was on the wagon). Again saying FG was obvtown (when they weren't), ignoring that the Baezda wagon was impossible to form, and that it was a deadline wagon... just feels opportunistic and intentionally ignorant
FG was obvtown
The Baezda wagon wasn't impossible to form, it had basically the same numbers up until the moment you switched
It being a deadline wagon doesn't make it more town
Arguing that it was a deadline wagon and therefore less scummy is scummy since scum need to avoid responsibility for mislynches
You yourself were pushing both of those slots but arguing heavily against me on this point, which makes it seem like you're trying to blame me for their mislynches when let's look at one of your posts:
This is scummy as shit. Town is townreading town and you decide that they're scummy for it, thus helping push through the FG wagon while then also using that moonlogic bullshit to push through RCE.In post 642, Darth TyTitus wrote:
Willing to switch to thisIn post 641, RCEPO wrote:Frozen is flipping town.
If you are town you have used the complete bullshit logic started in this post to push through FG, who was town, RCE, who was town, and now you want to push me, who is town.
So are you a complete fucking moron or are you just scum?
Because you've been riding this "FG was scummy" logic for a long fucking time now in this game when NO, THEY WERE NOT, and it was you attacking them being townblocked which is how they were in the PoE."HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"-
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Darth TyTitus Goon
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It doesn't matter about numbers,In post 1202, Shirobacca wrote:The Baezda wagon wasn't impossible to form, it had basically the same numbers up until the moment you switched
it matters that the people who were on the Baezda wagon were online and active and ready to switch to FG, the people on the FG wagon hadn't been posting at all and I didn't trust that they were going to suddenly post and be able to switch
The fact that you're ignoring that I wanted the Baezda wagon to go through and only switched cause I didn't think it would, is scummy af"I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them."-
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Darth TyTitus Goon
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I didn't see town as townreading town, I saw someone who hadn't been posting come in and try and randomly call a lynch bad. It was pretty scummy and I still maintain that RCEPO played fucking poorly as town and made themselves look super scummy.In post 1202, Shirobacca wrote:This is scummy as shit. Town is townreading town and you decide that they're scummy for it, thus helping push through the FG wagon while then also using that moonlogic bullshit to push through RCE.
If you are town you have used the complete bullshit logic started in this post to push through FG, who was town, RCE, who was town, and now you want to push me, who is town.
So are you a complete fucking moron or are you just scum?
Because you've been riding this "FG was scummy" logic for a long fucking time now in this game when NO, THEY WERE NOT, and it was you attacking them being townblocked which is how they were in the PoE.
You still haven't given any reasons to why FG was obvtown and how you somehow KNEW THEY WERE TOWN. like cmon man you're just going to hold onto this for no reasons, I can at least say that FG wasn't a bad end of day wagon because we needed a flip and their reactions were pretty bad.
Consider my vote on Shirobacca but idk if we're in LYLO so I won't vote yet
I'm pretty damn sure these stances come from scum at this point"I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them."-
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Darth TyTitus Goon
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All of the things you call scummy and towny are just completely misinterpreted and I don't think town is that bad at reading intentions, looks like scum using it more to fit an argument and I don't see your logic at all"I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them."-
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Darth TyTitus Goon
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The FG wagon was a deadline wagon omgIn post 1200, Arist2D2 wrote:I tr'd Shiro's approach to the wagon because, I didn't really understand the Frozen wagon either and I've pushed before that when a bad lynch happens there should be scum on it, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with that. And like as far as I understand, they're saying now that they are still pushing you because they felt that your reaction would make sense from scum knowing RCE and Irrelph would flip town.
and he wasn't obvtown so he died
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Darth TyTitus Goon
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I feel like Shiro/Obi's interactions have been weird because I expect scum to be bussing at this point and not having weak stances on one another because that's what we're all looking forIn post 1201, Arist2D2 wrote:Idk I think Obi and DEB's interactions are really off and they're both pretty sketchy individually. Like, Deb soft defends Obi once, and Obi has Deb as really high town just because of this, saying they have no reason to soft defend Obi. I don't think scum need a direct agenda reason to defend town other than needing to look like they have reads; being consistent with your fake reads is also something scum can do, right? So I think it makes no sense that Obi townreads Deb so hard just for this. Later Deb throws off an 'Obi might be scum' in contradiction to his earlier townlean. Padme presses Obi on his Deb read, saying scum have motivation to defend a townie, and Obi says he has a fair point, but doesn't seem to actually re-evaluate his read, calling Deb town again later. I think that's our best chance at hitting scum.
also I've kind of lost a lot of faith in the whole intentionally ignorant thing after Irrelph flipped town idk"I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them."-
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Shirobacca Goon
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Bitch please, I haven't even been dwelling on the FG wagon today. You literally are bringing up the points I made yesterday and then acting like that's still my top concern. Strawman much? You're the one who won't let this go, not meIn post 1203, Darth TyTitus wrote:The fact that you're ignoring that I wanted the Baezda wagon to go through and only switched cause I didn't think it would, is scummy af"HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"-
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Shirobacca Goon
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Do you want me to retroactively towncase a dead person? Because I can explain what I saw but mostly it just boils going through their iso and concluding that they're town. That you're still insisting they were scummy, when they weren't, post-flip, is obnoxious and disgusting. Get over yourself. You have shit reads or you're scum. Boo hoo.In post 1204, Darth TyTitus wrote:You still haven't given any reasons to why FG was obvtown and how you somehow KNEW THEY WERE TOWN. like cmon man you're just going to hold onto this for no reasons, I can at least say that FG wasn't a bad end of day wagon because we needed a flip and their reactions were pretty bad."HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"-
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Shirobacca Goon
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spam letters in a bullshit overreaction again and I will vote you
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Shirobacca Goon
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Real time interaction based on context meant to generate content in a largelyempty game
In post 198, Frozen Grievous wrote:Why is Padme still alive?Town reaction to Insomnia spewing himself town
In post 539, Frozen Grievous wrote:I think I forgot to mention earlier - insomnia is still bad at mafia /sigh
Liability to whatever team he is on, he’s just noise
Town reactions to Padme; scum doesn't want to generate a big conflict with him because he's so bad at this game he's very likely to aggressively push anyone who tells him to stop driving town off cliffs. Anyone who's played with him knows this.In post 640, Frozen Grievous wrote:
Because you were being an arrogant twatIn post 637, Padme Almostdala wrote:I’m still waiting for a reasoning on why I was pushed by him.
It’s been 4 days and I still don’t know why I had to address a ghost concern.
In post 697, Frozen Grievous wrote:Well town consensus is wrong if they are lynching us and is subject to scum manipulation. We can make an independently better bet as who is scum without influence (motivation of which unsure).
I never said the veng shot was a group decision, so it’s not like we are going rogue or backtracking.
Not voting because kinda still expecting to be lynched and haven’t really deliberated otherwiseIn post 745, Frozen Grievous wrote:Vote Baezda!
This is town reaction to pressure since scum don't just need to lynch someone else, they need to be townread enough to avoid getting venge'd.In post 755, Frozen Grievous wrote: !
Obvious fucking town for pretty much the entire game, and even more obviously town if you realized the slot was ofrhz, and if you had any meta with ofrhz you know this is her town meta.
Unfortunately confirming it's ofrhz is open to wifom since she's chronically misread anyway and very frequently mislynched for being low activity, but she's even lower activity as scum than as town and for her this was a fairly active game.
Harder to make that argument when I'm not 100% sure it's ofrhz but there were multiple reasons to think the slot was town if you were paying attention."HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"-
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Shirobacca Goon
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But yeah, keep wasting my fucking time by asking me to towncase dead people.
If you're town I'm rapidly running out of fucks to give to win the game with you so I might reach a point soon of just preferring to hope you're scum since so many town have already made it almost impossible to win this game."HGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!"-
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Obi Someth Kenobi Townie
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Nute Krazy Goon
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This would be so much easier to understand if it had quoted something.In post 1213, Obi Someth Kenobi wrote:@Arist, that was the initial basis of the townlean, the read has developed since then.
I'll get to this properly tomorrow, had a long day."Lord Sidious, he, promised us peace, we only want..." *gets killed by Darth Vader*-
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Arist2D2 Goon
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Ok but your framing it like yeah we hard pushed town but it was eod what can we do. It's not like no slots were townreading him and it's not like there were no other options, he wasn't the only wagon all day.In post 1206, Darth TyTitus wrote:
The FG wagon was a deadline wagon omgIn post 1200, Arist2D2 wrote:I tr'd Shiro's approach to the wagon because, I didn't really understand the Frozen wagon either and I've pushed before that when a bad lynch happens there should be scum on it, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with that. And like as far as I understand, they're saying now that they are still pushing you because they felt that your reaction would make sense from scum knowing RCE and Irrelph would flip town.
and he wasn't obvtown so he died
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Does any of that really matter? No all the day 2 wagons were on town. Town is just really fucking bad this game, both at scum hunting and at looking town.
But also, stop pushing this idea that Shiro has to be a I'm because he thinks scum was on his townreads wagon.maybe I'm playing a drastically different game but I think it's a perfectly valid thought to have."*whistles* *whistles* *various beeps*"-
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Arist2D2 Goon
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Not to mention if you feel the FG wagon was all town then you would be looking at exactly ki adi, obi, Nute, shiro. Some combination therein. I brought up the possibility of Tytitus scum to my partner because that fits exactly with the flavor speculation and sets up a push on Obi/Ki adi simultaneously. which seems agenda driven to me. My partner wants obi though and I trust them over my weak obi read anyway. I don't know how to reliably read either of their heads."*whistles* *whistles* *various beeps*"-
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Nute Krazy Goon
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Making a hard poe based on on/off wagon would be a good move by scum if it were an all town wagon.
It's also good scumhunting to think that it's extremely unlikely to be all town.
In the balance I don't think the wookie is scum because their posting is very well rounded and cohesive when not talking about on/off wagon and FG being obvtown.
It looks more like town obsessed with a theory being right than scum trying to manipulate others into accepting the theory.
If I were going to peg someone for floating a theory and trying to manipulate based on it, I would point to whomever it was that was pushing canon bad guys being scum. A team of 1 bad character and several good ones would sacrifice at most one member by pushing that as a theory, in hopes to gain enough mislynches and confusion to finish town before the ruse was revealed."Lord Sidious, he, promised us peace, we only want..." *gets killed by Darth Vader*-
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This game has turned into fencing (not fence-sitting). Everybody's so focused not to give their opponent an opportunity to score more than they want to score themselves.
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I somewhat regret having been able to identify you all. I can meta read DEB & Nute better than I cab read the other 4. That is making me not want to lynch these two but I have no idea which of the other 4 to lynch, and I'm literally scared to make the wrong decision, yet nobody is trying hard enough to help me make a confident decision."What about the Droid attack on the Wookiees?"-
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