Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Day One Wagon]

Come now, kuribo... we're looking at a lynch in 6 RL days, and I feel like the game is in a pretty good place?

Yes, the meta stuff and secret alts who pretend they're not secret (I guess new players think themselves famous?) are pretty annoying, but whatever.

I think we all have a pretty long, and mostly well synced townie brownie list at this point.

Are you referring me as a secret not secret alt?

[Chandra Nalaar]

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

[Chandra Nalaar]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

[Chandra Nalaar]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

[Day One Wagon]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

What about, if Perry is town? And who are his partners? Ofrhz isn't in any position to actually distract people from Perry lynch.

[Kagami]

Maybe it's hard to lynch people because 2-3 people just aren't present and appear to be unwilling to sheep, and then we also have multivoters who are unwilling to multivote.

[Kagami]

I'm with you in spirit, ceph, but I don't want to derail.

[Chandra Nalaar]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

What about, if Perry is town? And who are his partners? Ofrhz isn't in any position to actually distract people from Perry lynch.

if he's town, uh, idk maybe the scum are inactive or already voting him? i'm not really into unflipped associatives i just wanted to point out the answer to your question because it seemed very obvious
of course it's always possible scum are doing the opposite of what i'm asserting to wifom or whatever and i don't plan on putting a lot of stock in this point either way

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm with you in spirit, ceph, but I don't want to derail.

i'll take it

this is why i was planning to wait until tomorrow to do that

[Day One Wagon]

Gork, JJD, are we ok with Ofrhz lynch? This will force us to tell our hood info and I'm not sure I want to do that now

P-Edit: exactly, it's possible that Perry isn't scum, that everything is WIFOM, I just don't want to delve and calculate chances of all this and I just said 50/50 as a way to say that it can't go either way

[Chandra Nalaar]

does my neighborhood get an award for being the last one outed for no reason? i feel like we deserve that.

[Chandra Nalaar]

ok fine maybe some reason in some cases but we sure proved FG right

[Bingle]

kuri's interactions with gork don't make sense in the context of him scumreading me.

I didn't say you're scum, I said you make my teeth itch, ie, I hesitate to hard townread you

My bad then, I thought you were saying you scumread me. On a not entirely unrelated note, I’m sorry if I’ve pissed anyone off this game or otherwise negatively impacted their enjoyment. That was not my intent.

Doesn’t mean I’ll stop pushing what I see as right, but I AM sorry if it hurts your feelings.

[Bingle]

I think we all have a pretty long, and mostly well synced townie brownie list at this point.

Please share. I don’t feel like there’s a lot of obvtown at all.

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

[Bingle]

Yes, the meta stuff and secret alts who pretend they're not secret (I guess new players think themselves famous?) are pretty annoying, but whatever.

[Bingle]

Oh, that’s nsfw. I forget how much they swear.

[Day One Wagon]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I'm pretty sure you'd be down to lynch half of the playerlist over Pelly

[Chandra Nalaar]

oh boy, i've already got the support of someone too rational to go for a deadline wagon and the guy who won't vote! this is going great!

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I'm pretty sure you'd be down to lynch half of the playerlist over Pelly

Accurate. I think I’m at around 9 names in my don’t want to lynch them today pile. The 1v1. The people the 1v1 were trying to lynch immediately before the 1v1. The claimed parity cop. Pops, who is spewed town if perry flips scum. Marquis. DOL. Gork. Vecna. Everyone else is shades of would lynch.

And I’m perfectly fine hammering if we get a wagon to l1 or it’s absolutely necessary to stop a no lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

Nah, ofhrz is town. He’s being setup because he’s town reading Pelican hard

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

This is an objectively terrible idea. I’m a reflexive Roleblocker, by more than my own words. I can’t be shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I’m probably shooting Bingle no matter what tonight.

Pelican is a lynch target, and if I die, I expect you guys to lynch there.

Or else you will hear about how I was correct from Day 1 in many future games.