Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

This is an objectively terrible idea. I’m a reflexive Roleblocker, by more than my own words. I can’t be shot.

We’ll see

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

This entire post is a cherry picking case taking advantage of Ofhrz’s terrible town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we all have a pretty long, and mostly well synced townie brownie list at this point.

Please share. I don’t feel like there’s a lot of obvtown at all.

Because you’re scum with Pelican, obvi

[Flavor Leaf]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

What about, if Perry is town? And who are his partners? Ofrhz isn't in any position to actually distract people from Perry lynch.

He’s not town.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyone actively staying away from the Vig/Vig scenario is just gullible af, and i can’t wait to abuse that when I roll scum against those people.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or they are scum

[Flavor Leaf]

whatever ill own the egg on my face if pelican is town.

is he l-2 right now?

will give him a chance to drop last will and testament before voting in case i counted votes wrong.

This

[Flavor Leaf]

so can someone explain to me definitively, why, perry is scum

the way it looks to me is he is a miller (which by defn appears as scum) and said this

and apparently... that makes him scum? does this mean the miller neighbourhood DONT appear as scum? otherwise whats the issue

You need to literally just read. I have given time and time again, and frankly, I’d lowkey just policy lynch this tomorrow for this

[Day One Wagon]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

Nah, ofhrz is town. He’s being setup because he’s town reading Pelican hard

Then who you think is scum between Gork and JJD? Cause I strongly suspect we have scum in our hood

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I'd trust you, when you shoot FL tonight and he flips red, till then it's too much assumptions.

Lurking and pretending to not understand what's going on while claiming not to read thread isn't beyond scum behavior and I have 0 experience with Croag to say that something like that is beyond her scum range

I actually probably am going to shoot this

[Flavor Leaf]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

Nah, ofhrz is town. He’s being setup because he’s town reading Pelican hard

Then who you think is scum between Gork and JJD? Cause I strongly suspect we have scum in our hood

It’s you if I have to pick throughout.

You have a terrible stance that helps Pelican in the Pelican vs FL scenario, when Pelican is legit just lock scum, and the Vig claim is shit. If it’s true, he’s a Mafia vig, which is confirmed FG does this.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Spoiler:

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

This entire post is a cherry picking case taking advantage of Ofhrz’s terrible town read.

What terrible townread?

How is it cherrypicking when I've quoted like a third of their posts?

[Flavor Leaf]

Pelican, D1 Lynch, Bingle, and then someone on my side of the schism is the scum team, assuming it’s 4

[Chandra Nalaar]

If you mean their Perry townread, I hardly mentioned that, so I can't see how my whole argument could be predicated on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

This entire post is a cherry picking case taking advantage of Ofhrz’s terrible town read.

What terrible townread?

How is it cherrypicking when I've quoted like a third of their posts?

I honestly don’t see scumOfrhz town reading Pelican so hard, tbh. The fact he’s getting wagoned and pushed upon, especially after I called him out earlier, game state implies he’s town being setup to be mislynched.

It’s one of those, he seems like scum, if he were scum, he wouldn’t be scum seeming right now. This is a classic him getting setup by game state.

Thinking more about it, I think it makes sense coming from townYou as well, which is what scum likely wanted: a townie pushing ofhrz hard.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I honestly don’t see scumOfrhz town reading Pelican so hard, tbh. The fact he’s getting wagoned and pushed upon, especially after I called him out earlier, game state implies he’s town being setup to be mislynched.

I wouldn't call my vote and no one else's a wagon.

It’s one of those, he seems like scum, if he were scum, he wouldn’t be scum seeming right now. This is a classic him getting setup by game state.

The first part of this doesn't do much for me. The latter I am fine with coming from your take on the game atm.

Thinking more about it, I think it makes sense coming from townYou as well, which is what scum likely wanted: a townie pushing ofhrz hard.

Maybe so. If you think I was pressured into providing a distraction, you need look no further than D1L (who I also suspect).

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, look at it from my perspective.

I flat out know that Pelican is scum because he made a direct contradiction in role PM’s, he knew I was a Vig, and didn’t say anything even though he was the same role, then he pushed his way into a 1v1 with me when he KNEW I was a Vig.

He changed that mindset to say he thought I was a gunsmith, which only could be a possibility, i believe it was a “if he’s faking Vig he could be a gunsmith” so the Vig claim completely saves him either way, and let’s people who think Vig/Vig should settle itself! through, even though that’s a load of crap in this scenario.

Ofhrz didn’t start getting pushed or heated on until AFTER I pushed him. That was my bait. While I did see Ofhrz as scummy, there’s close to zero chance he’s actually ever scum with Pelican here, so I was drawing people out.

You made the case on him, and look how Bingle responded.

It’s Pelican/Bingle, probably Day 1 lynch (the neutral slot) and then someone on my side of the schism, probably voting for Pelican already.

If Pelican were town, he’d be dead by now.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm still fine with coming back to a Perry lynch, I just realized the criticism that I haven't been living up to my stated desire to lead and make fiery pushes was accurate.

[Flavor Leaf]

I honestly don’t see scumOfrhz town reading Pelican so hard, tbh. The fact he’s getting wagoned and pushed upon, especially after I called him out earlier, game state implies he’s town being setup to be mislynched.

I wouldn't call my vote and no one else's a wagon.

It’s one of those, he seems like scum, if he were scum, he wouldn’t be scum seeming right now. This is a classic him getting setup by game state.

The first part of this doesn't do much for me. The latter I am fine with coming from your take on the game atm.

Thinking more about it, I think it makes sense coming from townYou as well, which is what scum likely wanted: a townie pushing ofhrz hard.

Maybe so. If you think I was pressured into providing a distraction, you need look no further than D1L (who I also suspect).

Game state, not votes. Always look at gamestate rather than the surface level of votes.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Ofhrz didn’t start getting pushed or heated on until AFTER I pushed him.

Be fair, I am on record suspecting ofhrz as early as post 796 and I didn't do it because of anything you posted.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ofhrz didn’t start getting pushed or heated on until AFTER I pushed him.

Be fair, I am on record suspecting ofhrz as early as post 796 and I didn't do it because of anything you posted.

Sure, but I hard hard hard pushed him, and made a statement with it.

I’m sure others leaned there prior because there was no real reason.

I’m also loud

[Flavor Leaf]

Ofhrz gets zero town points for town reading Pelican even if he were to flip town, which Pelican won’t anyways.

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Perry Pelican

I'll be back to ofhrz. I think this lynch needs to happen today to progress the game and it's still a good lynch.

[Bingle]

Honestly, I’m probably shooting Bingle no matter what tonight.

Unless you think me, marquis, and Vecna are all lying, I can’t be vigged. It’s an objectively terrible use of a confirmable role.

I don’t think you should telegraph who you’re shooting if we lynch perry, but even if you think I’m scum you shouldn’t shoot me because I can’t be shot and you’ll only succeed in being a caffeine addicted paranoid vanilla owner.