Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Pink Ball]

I haven't read your posts, I came back to 50 new pages and I skimmed through them. My reasoning may be weak from your point of view, but my townread is strong, so why would I focus on your posts if I'm not trying to reevaluate your slot?

[Pink Ball]

Wow, another pagetop while in the bathroom. My vowels are strong

[Dannflor]

yeah okay that's fair

I knew there was a danger that I was conf biasing and reading over your scum game made me reconsider

[popsofctown]

A few have played with me some. popsofctown.

Can you cite a game we've played together besides Any Non-Dead Person? Since that makes it weird to list me and not Titus, since I only played as part of a hydra with Titus.

Pink Ball is the weakest scumread proper because it wasn't until he took a read on me he absolute wouldn't take as town that I had any reason to think he might be scum.

He has fucking seen the way I operate power roles.

Could he let me know if you make an anti-town outing of your role on D2's just to reduce your lynch equity as town? Because that's a lot of my problem with your slot.

I mean I have a link to a scumgame of his where he solocarried but I was moreso just thinking that his play here is nothing compared to guns and roses where he was blatantly obvtown and trying to solve

He did that in the MiniTheme I modded too.
He was immediately tossed in townread heaven separate from the other players then posted 93 posts of solves in it that only he and I could read before D2 ended and added the second player to townread heaven. This game he's been coasting. I feel like if he was town he would have been targeted for a mislynch by now.

He is one of my strongest townreads, along with Firedaddy, GreyIce and Katsuki. MariaR, the worst and pops too

I'm concerned about you voting mastina alongside me, especially since I agree with Ali that your justification was off.

Pine, who would you want me hooded with if I won the neighborizer?

That’s not how the game works.

As of right now, I keep the fruit. No one has interested me.

But I drew your very likeness.
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I'm getting some cold feet on mastina slot. It's possible for her to post this slip if she's like, just so incredibly bad at mechanics she goes into bodyguard games feeling like "boy, I'm so excited about being a PR and getting townread". Like I didn't want to take the interpretation of her being that far off on how a game of mafia works when she is the person I remember posting wall articles all the time way back when.
The biggest reason to get cold feet is that a scummy bodyguard can get herself killed and avoid the mislynch. I won a game of mafia as town from putting a bodyguard at L-1 a couple days ago. That is how the role works.
Ugh, that line of text is so bad though. "I wanted town to not know how I died" wtf.
mastina please land a BG.
And don't do vanity townreads with your BG.
Not that you have so far, both protects you claimed to have done were good.

[Firebringer]

Titus,

How exactly was LLD bussed to protect me exactly? I wasn't in any danger of lynch day 1....
Also why do you trust that if you think I am scum I keep my word on who I will and won't govern.

[Dannflor]

@SS I don't remember saying Dann would never flip scum, maybe you got me mixed up with someone else? I said his reaction could be NAI, but I'm townreading him for it, but the posts above show that I haven't been THAT hyperbolic with my read on him.

He is one of my strongest townreads, along with Firedaddy, GreyIce and Katsuki. MariaR, the worst and pops too

About Dann, yes, I said it could be NAI, but it would be NAI in general. You can define it as AI in particular cases depending on who we are talking about. I think Dann would be more self conscious about that kind of thing towards me. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it, I'm saying that he would be more cautious, so the timing of those posts is relevant.

Like you say I'm one of your strongest town reads, but I don't know how your reasoning gets you there.

I town read you for similar reasons originally but that was only a town lean. You think it's that unrealistic that I could fake that interaction as scum?

[Pink Ball]

Yes, I think it's unrealistic given our relationship. You could fake it, but it would take you more time to do it than the time you interacted with me. It seemed genuine, and if you were scum, I don't think you could've reacted that fast to my wholesomeness

[Katsuki]

I thought I was voting Mastina.

VOTE: MASTINA

[Jingle]

I thought I was voting Mastina.

VOTE: MASTINA

All votes were reset in post 6251.

[Katsuki]

Oh. Can we get that info updated in the OP?

[Pink Ball]

I don't think scum!Dann's first thought while reading the appreciation page is "I could use this to get townread by PB"; instead, makes more sense a "should I?" line of thought, and that decision takes more time. So the best conclusion from my point of view is that you never had to make a decision simply because it comes from a town mindset. As I said, weak from your point of view, strong from mine.

[the worst]

I'd lynch PB over Mastina and krazzy atm as well

[Pink Ball]

I'll end your whole career

[Jingle]

Oh. Can we get that info updated in the OP?

OP is now up to date.

[Pink Ball]

Duck, I'm calling you out, stick your head out of your ass.

[Titus]

Titus,

How exactly was LLD bussed to protect me exactly? I wasn't in any danger of lynch day 1....
Also why do you trust that if you think I am scum I keep my word on who I will and won't govern.

That's not what the VCs tell me.

Second, the possibility of a big keeps you in line.

On a random note, everyone else in your governing pool seems to want mastina but for like 1. If you're town, that's a sign you're on the wrong wagon.

[the worst]

What are you calling me out for, Bill?

[the worst]

Bill what should we be townreading?

@duck you aknowledged that you have ignored my posts, so calling them entire fluff is bullshit. I've called town my townreads, I've voted flipped scum and didn't contribute to the wrong pushes on both DGB and Ari (who by the way, are we going to ignore the players who were oh so sure Ari was scum? Looking at you again Ali, fuck your reads), and I've played consistent with my towngames to AT LEAST not get mislynched even when I don't have enough time like I used to had. "Not impressed by Pink so far" my ass, I'm not a gold star player, I'm good at not getting mislynched and you're all fucking around because of my activity.

Duck and Ali, I'm calling you both out, stick your head out of your asses.

I asked what we should be townreading and you give me this shit smh

whack that iso button and point me in the right direction? sorry but I'm not sure what onus you're putting on me here and why you think it's reasonable. I have like 20 or something slots to work with, I hate larges, and you haven't even blipped my radar.

Frankly I love you but I actually don't care if you're calling me out or not. I have nothing to give you and I don't understand what you think I should have to give you.

[Pink Ball]

You're one of the few players I can call out for scumreading me for bullshit reasoning. We can work it out later when I get access to a computer, but I'm asking you to townread me like pretty please basically

[Pink Ball]

I can make a towncase on myself, it's pretty easy and awesome

[Firebringer]

Titus,

How exactly was LLD bussed to protect me exactly? I wasn't in any danger of lynch day 1....
Also why do you trust that if you think I am scum I keep my word on who I will and won't govern.

That's not what the VCs tell me.

Second, the possibility of a big keeps you in line.

On a random note, everyone else in your governing pool seems to want mastina but for like 1. If you're town, that's a sign you're on the wrong wagon.

Titus, why would

I

care about being vigged.

also did u notice how mastina switched from wanting me lynched during this governing thing and went for krazy? Do you honestly think that was townie. What was her reasoning? None. She spouted a bunch of nonsense.

[the worst]

Do you think my reasoning is bullshit? What part am I lying about?
Towncase at will, my read on you will adjust accordingly.

[Pink Ball]

Do you think my reasoning is bullshit? What part am I lying about?
Towncase at will, my read on you will adjust accordingly.

You said my posts are only fluff, I call bullshit 'cause you explictly said you've been mostly ignoring my posts.

[mastina]

@mastina, I meant more like, could you explain your Kats read?

Sure.

Katsuki
^Pine picked Katsuki as a replacement in the first iteration of this game for damn good reason. Katsuki's a skilled scum player, who also has a knack for pulling impressive townplays if left unchecked, so picking Katsuki is a good denial pick. That having been said, while I think Katsuki's play here could be scum, I know that Katsuki's alignment should become more obvious as the game progresses and right now I'm not sure it's scum.

IF LLD is scum (her attempted self hammer makes that look likely, but it's not definitive), both GreyIce and Katsuki become strong townreads. If lld flips town, they remain where they are.

Basically it comes down to a simple fact; for the same reason I believe GreyICE is town, I believe Katsuki is town--yes, I do think that Katsuki's D1 push on LLD doesn't come from a scum Katsuki. No, I don't think Katsuki's relative lack of content since then diminishes that read.

Town players have an awfully nasty habit.

Like, 90% of town players do this.

They'll establish a good read on a player, but then when the player they have that good read on falls out of focus, they forget why they townread them; they forget the good reasons that the player was town; they have their read deteriorate. Now this can be a good thing because scum can get locked as town early and then be exposed as scum later--but when that happens, it's usually because you look at their earlier content and realize it wasn't actually town, not because you look at their current content and think it's scum.

Basically, if the townread deteriorates, what you need to do is look at the original reasoning to see if it still holds true--and when it comes to Katsuki, I absolutely believe that it does. This was Katsuki's last game where I saw him as scum.
This was Katsuki's last game where I saw him as town.
In the scumgame, Katsuki did nothing; in the towngame, Katsuki scumhunted and was engaged heavily.
Now look at Katsuki's iso this game.
Even post-LLD lynch, Katsuki is not doing nothing. Katsuki scumhunts and there is engagement.

Katsuki's push on LLD is something I don't think comes from scum distancing; Katsuki's play here far more closely resembles his towngame than his scumgame.

I get the read deteriorating because you haven't seen Katsuki as much.
But if you take a look at why the townread was there in the first place...it absolutely still holds true.

[the worst]

I'm only ever talking about the posts I've seen like how would I be talking about anything else