VOTE: NorwegianboyEEIn post 6, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hi guys.
Relatively new on mafiascum, but i've got a few games under my belt off-site. Are y'all veterans or what?
Anyway looking forward to a fun game.
I'm town so lets sNorweigan sheep me.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEEIn post 6, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hi guys.
Relatively new on mafiascum, but i've got a few games under my belt off-site. Are y'all veterans or what?
Anyway looking forward to a fun game.
Welp if you thought that was bad your going to enjoy going down the rabbit hole we call mafia scum.In post 11, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm being /s by the way. That joke is thebiggest pile of garbage I've read on this site so far.
Apologies are for the weak.In post 15, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wow, not even an apology? I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to be lynched for that. ;(In post 14, Garmr wrote:Welp if you thought that was bad your going to enjoy going down the rabbit hole we call mafia scum.In post 11, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm being /s by the way. That joke is thebiggest pile of garbage I've read on this site so far.
VOTE: Garmr
I agree it was easy to tell you were having fun but why is profii scum?In post 19, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Profii
If you are seriously claiming you believe my vote on Garmr was serious then i'm scumreading you already.
Went to check if you are new after this post your not. Noticed you gave a blank vote before as well. That being said I don't know if scum would post something that would make them look like a newer player.In post 25, Kraeg wrote:This is odd.
Skellen has never posted anything in this board and here you are coming in and voting Skellen without saying anything about him. Why Skellen?
Talking to kraeg I could tell it was Rvs.In post 56, Emperor flippyNips wrote:If so Not really. I was just really tired & pretty high & still at work so a naked RVS vote was alll I could muster up
Are you trying to pull some sort of slayers gambit? You look surface level scummy but when I think of a reason why scum would be saying what you say I can't find one. The logic is bad.In post 63, Kraeg wrote:Game is already out of RVS after a few posts 'cause of Norwegian.
Also, I'm getting a bad feeling about Billy's V/LA. I've been a player of this game for like years already and I've seen mafia abuse the V/LA as an excuse to avoid everyone. I'm not a big fan of people going on V/LAs.
I read the atmosphere and the flow tells me you will be town read. It's hard to explain but I used the concept of flow in previous games. But with it I can make predictions the longer the games go on. What interest me most is when I'm wrong with a prediction because that means their information I missed or was wrong on.In post 100, profii wrote:what made you think that?In post 98, Garmr wrote:I don't think I need to go to indepth with the town read since I think it's the common opinion.
Yes in a way that's true. I want to scum read him for it but every scenario I play out I can't find a scum motivation. It's a conflict of mind and heart.In post 101, profii wrote:I googled slayers gambit and google took me to the wiki on this very site
You've mentioned it twice but it seems you dont believe it yourself, Garmr.
Oh ho your tone is very defensive with that passive aggression.In post 126, Luca Blight wrote:I don't really like the speculating over a PR here, that sort of thing never sits well with me especially this early on. No idea what you're talking about with regards to the 'slayers gambit'.In post 98, Garmr wrote:Hmm I'm mulling over kraeg I'm just going to put him to the side for a bit. All I can take from his post is something is making him jumpy. The only possibilities I can think of are.
1.This is first scum game and his having trouble entering.
2 he has a power role,
3.His pulling a slayers gambit.
He will probably need to be sorted sometime latter on but I am watching to see what they do next.
I looked at skellen, I get her play is textbook and generic but I seen town do this as well.and it's rvs so the wagon isn't that appealing to me. That being said I liked profii's initial vote on the wagon. I don't think I need to go to indepth with the town read since I think it's the common opinion.
Emperor flippyNips is kinda jumpy but It's not really that scummy.
Luca blight I find interesting. They are currently voting Skellen for being generic responses that seem polished ect. But their post 94 is pretty generic as well as it's just stating the obvious.
What I find interesting is they said they found everything skellen said the same thought they had. If you found what they said agreeable and mirroring your own. Wouldn't you be a bit conflicted if they are town or not. They were like oh yeah I had the same feeling as you profii. It's early rvs so I'm more forgiving of being hollow but it seems like they are trying to portray image of having independent thought with out throwing something out that breaks the mold or makes them stand out.
It's funny how placed in juxtaposition to each other both come off as generic actions but one null and the other comes off as scummy to me.
VOTE: Luca Blight
Coasting along with the 'popular opinion' also doesn't sit well with me.
You said it yourself, we're barely out of RVS - why would I be feeling conflicted at this stage? There isn't nearly enough information to base a strong SR on, it was just a feeling I had. Most of my scum pings around the RVS stage come from posts that seem a little too polished and precise, and even though I couldn't disagree with what Skellen wrote during her opening, that feeling did pass over me.
Oh ho your tone is very defensive with that passive aggression.In post 126, Luca Blight wrote:I don't really like the speculating over a PR here, that sort of thing never sits well with me especially this early on. No idea what you're talking about with regards to the 'slayers gambit'.In post 98, Garmr wrote:Hmm I'm mulling over kraeg I'm just going to put him to the side for a bit. All I can take from his post is something is making him jumpy. The only possibilities I can think of are.
1.This is first scum game and his having trouble entering.
2 he has a power role,
3.His pulling a slayers gambit.
He will probably need to be sorted sometime latter on but I am watching to see what they do next.
I looked at skellen, I get her play is textbook and generic but I seen town do this as well.and it's rvs so the wagon isn't that appealing to me. That being said I liked profii's initial vote on the wagon. I don't think I need to go to indepth with the town read since I think it's the common opinion.
Emperor flippyNips is kinda jumpy but It's not really that scummy.
Luca blight I find interesting. They are currently voting Skellen for being generic responses that seem polished ect. But their post 94 is pretty generic as well as it's just stating the obvious.
What I find interesting is they said they found everything skellen said the same thought they had. If you found what they said agreeable and mirroring your own. Wouldn't you be a bit conflicted if they are town or not. They were like oh yeah I had the same feeling as you profii. It's early rvs so I'm more forgiving of being hollow but it seems like they are trying to portray image of having independent thought with out throwing something out that breaks the mold or makes them stand out.
It's funny how placed in juxtaposition to each other both come off as generic actions but one null and the other comes off as scummy to me.
VOTE: Luca Blight
Coasting along with the 'popular opinion' also doesn't sit well with me.
You said it yourself, we're barely out of RVS - why would I be feeling conflicted at this stage? There isn't nearly enough information to base a strong SR on, it was just a feeling I had. Most of my scum pings around the RVS stage come from posts that seem a little too polished and precise, and even though I couldn't disagree with what Skellen wrote during her opening, that feeling did pass over me.
Here comes the OMGUS. Why wouldn't I say it out loud? I can get feedback from other players and it helps me read them as well. This seems like a weak excuse to vote me because I voted you.In post 130, Luca Blight wrote:Just googled Slayer's gambit; it's when you intentionally act scummy as a VT.
What I'm wondering is why Garmr has said all of this stuff and not kept it to himself to see how it develops (which would seem the natural thing to do if he were Town). It feels like he's saying these things to give the impression he is deliberating over Kraeg's alignment, but it reads false to me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Garmr
You can be passive aggressive as a defensive reaction. The two don't contradict each other.....In post 134, Luca Blight wrote:So my tone is 'very defensive' due to 'passive-aggression'? That seems a bit reachy/contradictory.
In of itself, no, but could scum bring up a role that may be a pr? I think it's more likely coming from scum that Town, especially this early on. As I said, as a townie it would be more natural to keep such thoughts to yourself and see how they develop. If you were scum and they therefore weren't genuine thoughts, then it would make more sense to highlight them to make it seem as though you are doing some in-depth thinking, especially considering all your other reads are pretty surface-level.
I could use the same argument; why would I, as scum, knowingly flip on my Skellen read, thus inviting unnecessary pressure?
1)You say it's bad town play it's also bad scum play to announce it as it gets you flack. There is a town use for talking about potential power roles but it's dirty and I don't mind playing a little dirty.In post 134, Luca Blight wrote:OMGUS? Now who's being passive-aggressive?
I wouldn't have thought, if you were Town, that you would say it out loud for a few reasons:
1) Speculating on someone who might be a PR this early on is just bad 'town' play, that's common sense
2) If he is indeed playing the slayer's gambit, then you've just impeded it
3) There isn't enough data to give any credence to any one of your 3 'scenarios', so inviting others' to give their opinion on the matter would bring back limited results, and you've basically ended your own line of internal inquiry.
If you want to vote me go for it no need to hold back. I'm fine with making luca and me the leading wagons. But if I end up mislynched somehow Sheep my opinions as they are better than yours if you town read Luca.In post 135, profii wrote:See I'm siding with Luca here
When you said popular opinion is profii = town I actually checked and 3 people had put me, let's say, the town side of the line... one of those 3 was Luca, who you (garmr) scum read at the time so at that point alarm bells were ringing that you actually just knew I was town (I.e. TMI) and rolled with it
That's why I was asking about how well you think you can read me
The only thing stopping me voting you right now is you say you omitted the reasons you think I'm town (tell me about them please) for a reaction test (tell me what you learnt please)
I dont like the PR stuff either but the less said the better
Lucas just town as far as I'm concerned we see the game very similarly so I'm gonna roll with that
Yep your reaction to me voting you was really telling. You were reaching for reasons to scum read me and they didn't come off as natural reasons. It's like you were trying to justify your scum read on me instead of actually reading me.In post 140, Luca Blight wrote:In post 137, Garmr wrote:If you want to vote me go for it no need to hold back. I'm fine with making luca and me the leading wagons. But if I end up mislynched somehow Sheep my opinions as they are better than yours if you town read Luca.In post 135, profii wrote:See I'm siding with Luca here
When you said popular opinion is profii = town I actually checked and 3 people had put me, let's say, the town side of the line... one of those 3 was Luca, who you (garmr) scum read at the time so at that point alarm bells were ringing that you actually just knew I was town (I.e. TMI) and rolled with it
That's why I was asking about how well you think you can read me
The only thing stopping me voting you right now is you say you omitted the reasons you think I'm town (tell me about them please) for a reaction test (tell me what you learnt please)
I dont like the PR stuff either but the less said the better
Lucas just town as far as I'm concerned we see the game very similarly so I'm gonna roll with that
This is a very odd thing to say 6 pages into the game. Are you really so confident I'm scum that you're willing to 1v1 me to the death already?
A defensive tone can be used to avoid certain conflict. What's sketchy is you are trying to use my arguments and apply them to me when they don't work in that context. I brought up painting me in a image and you warp the argument and throw it back at me. You have done this mutiple times nowIn post 139, Luca Blight wrote:A defensive 'tone' implies more direct aggression rather than passive-aggression. The fact you're trying to paint my response as defensive in the first place just seems sketchy - it's an easy response to anyone who questions your SR of them, and it doesn't really apply in this case, but the way you say it's 'passive-aggressive' is like you're setting up a situation where no matter what I do it could be spun as being 'defensive'.In post 136, Garmr wrote:You can be passive aggressive as a defensive reaction. The two don't contradict each other.....In post 134, Luca Blight wrote:So my tone is 'very defensive' due to 'passive-aggression'? That seems a bit reachy/contradictory.
In of itself, no, but could scum bring up a role that may be a pr? I think it's more likely coming from scum that Town, especially this early on. As I said, as a townie it would be more natural to keep such thoughts to yourself and see how they develop. If you were scum and they therefore weren't genuine thoughts, then it would make more sense to highlight them to make it seem as though you are doing some in-depth thinking, especially considering all your other reads are pretty surface-level.
I could use the same argument; why would I, as scum, knowingly flip on my Skellen read, thus inviting unnecessary pressure?
Also it's kinda weak you threw back something I said about you I'm not being passive aggressive I'm directly confronting you, do you think me stating the fact you are omgusing is avoiding confrontation?
Sigh this dumb Your saying I'm trying to look like I'm doing some deep thinking instead of hunting, but I'm scum for going with popular opinion and not stating why I town read Profii in my post. Wouldn't that conflict with my earlier goal. Also I don't think my case on you was surface level or the discussion of similarities/differences between you and skellen at the time.
What most of your case is doing is picking one point making up a scum motive for it and painting a label for me with it. But the labels contradict if you actually have some common sense.
It was not a 'fact' that I was OMGUSING; it is a big reach for you to even suggest it, and the fact you're trying to push that argument seems defensive in itself.
As for your 'dumb' line, you've completely missed the point. You have surace-level reads and one that appears more 'in-depth' - that was the point I was making. I wasn't suggesting you were only trying to make in-depth reads. I think your read on me was pretty surface level, to be honest; you didn't consider what benefit I would have as scum of flipping my view on Skellen like that.
1) Yes I would agree it's bad play as either alignment, but it feels weirder coming from townIn post 136, Garmr wrote:1)You say it's bad town play it's also bad scum play to announce it as it gets you flack. There is a town use for talking about potential power roles but it's dirty and I don't mind playing a little dirty.In post 134, Luca Blight wrote:OMGUS? Now who's being passive-aggressive?
I wouldn't have thought, if you were Town, that you would say it out loud for a few reasons:
1) Speculating on someone who might be a PR this early on is just bad 'town' play, that's common sense
2) If he is indeed playing the slayer's gambit, then you've just impeded it
3) There isn't enough data to give any credence to any one of your 3 'scenarios', so inviting others' to give their opinion on the matter would bring back limited results, and you've basically ended your own line of internal inquiry.
2)If he is playing a slayers gambit his setting up a mislynch on himself since those catch town as well. I'd rather lynch scum day 1.
3)People can disagree or add their own. Also it's not ended as we are discussing it now.
2) it's way too early to say he was setting up his own mislynch, which leads me back to my original point; the benefit of keeping such info close to your chest, if it's actually genuine
3) It's ended in terms of a natural progression of how Kraeg would have continued, and how people would have reacted to him
Can you describe what thoughts are surface level and why they are just so I know you aren't parroting Luca?In post 154, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oh don't worry, I still want those questions answered by Mohab, but clearly my vote wasn't doing anything there and I unvoted because I wanted to deep dive the Garmr/Luca interaction.In post 152, Skellen wrote:UNVOTE: Billy
I feel like I have a better grip at reading him with having more insight on his reads and feel a bit better about him, although I feel a bit iffy about him not wanting to be on a "vanity wagon" on page 7 while Mohab hasn't even reacted to his questions yet. Guess that will remain as my most frustrating slot in my notes.
Regarding Garmr/Luca I need to look more closely at it when it's not late in the night, but my first impression after reading through it is that imo Garmr hit a nail with saying that Luca's reasons for scumreading him didn't felt natural. Although I am mostly thinking here of him feeling negative about Garmr's mention of PR stuff and the slayers gambit thing. To me it felt he judged Garmr for that as scum because it doesn't look natural from town yet he didn't really pointed out why that is a scum motivated play. It's imo just bad play, maybe anti-town might be the better term, as both also admitted to (more or less). I mean if it's scum!Garmr I don't see why he brings up arguments that would potentially put the Kraeg push to a halt instead of just keeping it to himself and joining pushing Kraeg. Can you clarify this, Luca? Second paragraph in #134 does seem to be the only thing that comes close to it, but it doesn't really feel comprehensible.
And if you're frustrated by my slot, you're not alone. I made 2 out of 4 LYLOs in my first 4 games. And it's probably because scum recognizes that I do weird things that can get scum read.
As for the Garmr/Luca interaction, I feel weird. I think Luca's initial reason for voting Garmr was weak, but I feel like the way the interaction played out made Luca look good and Garmr look bad. I also played a game (unsure of Luca's alignment in that game so not AI) where he did a 1v1 then backed off similarly on D1. Maybe he rolled scum in both games, but it also could be a playstyle thing.
I also realized that most of why I was townreading Garmr was his defense of a surface level scummy Kraeg. Now I think this is the only read of his that didn't feel surface level, and when I re-read it I realized he didn't commit to a read. In 98, he said he would set it to the side and come back to it. Then he did the 1 on 1 with Luca. I originally couldn't see scum motivation in coming out the gate defending Kraeg for surface level scummy play. But now I can think of 2 reasons, (I will give them later Skellen), but for now, I would like to hold them back a bit. I agree with Luca that most of Garmr's reads were surface level as I said, outside of Kraeg. I also think that Garmr got mad defensive when he was getting pressured by Luca and that was remarkably different from how he had reacted to Norwegian's early vote.
VOTE: Garmr
Can I ask a favour and don't answer the question for billy I want to sort him because I already figured out your scum.In post 156, Luca Blight wrote:Billy, you can’t talk about ongoing games. This is a really important thing to remember.
Traveling home atm so will respond to stuff in an hour or two
Ok so you do understand the ones surface ones were nulls there's a reason they are nulls.In post 160, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@Garmr - it's probably fair to say I parroted Luca there. I think your Kraeg comment showed you working through it. The Skellen read was surface mostly, but it was null so I guess that's not gonna be in depth. The Luca read wasn't surface, I think the logic was off, but it wasn't surface. So that's a fair defense from you, you brought up 4 reads (Kraeg, Skellen, Emperor, and Luca.). 2 were in depth and 2 were a bit more surface but the surface ones were nulls.
Oh I didn't leave Mohab behind just you post more informative with your posts so I thought you could provide more content to read. I deal with low info players differently after being stung by them multiple times. It's best to look at actions over a period and when they act.In post 162, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I messed up here, clearly, and it's why I admitted it in 160. I thought I had more reasons when I posted, but I read it back and I clearly didn't. I agree that there's a reason your surface reads would be nulls and you accurately grouped them.
I agree that that's not fair to paint someone as only having surface level reads in such a case. And would I find the person painting them in that light as scummy? I don't know. As for why I echoed it, I think it's probably because I was persuaded by him in 139 because I think you missed the point he was trying to make and he mentioned again that you had surface level reads. I think I got primed to see them that way. I definitely have this problem with people I town-read, and I need to fight it better, because I'm easily pocketable.
I think you misinterpreted his point but I don't think that makes you scum. I am interested in why you went after me and Luca so hard and left Mohab alone. I'm also now interested in Flippy, because he sheeped onto Luca pretty easily.
I found this post hollow and some what text book response. Do you see the same thing as me or is there substance I missed somewhere?In post 94, Luca Blight wrote:Catching-up....(striked the stuff that has been answered/is no longer relevant)
27 -I'm struggling to follow why this is scummy?
31 -Do you still find Profii scummy, or did his response cause you to reconsider?
35 -Do you consider these to be AI questions? If you're 'not a fan' of Norwegianboy, why not place a vote on him yourself here?
Skellen's opening seems decent, and her thoughts in 41 mirror my own.
42 - This seems fair enough. Early town-lean on Norwegianboy.
46 - Decent thought-process from Billy, early town-lean here as well.
56 - I can relate to this. Posting a naked RVS vote as scum is actually quite a ballsy thing to do.
63, 64 - This is just BS, shading people based on V/LA's right at the start of the game and during a weekend. Billy has even been contributing despite his V/LA, and I had just announced I would catch up Tomorrow, which I am fulfilling now.
65, 66, 67 - This feels Townie.
-the reason you get waves is because your answer doesn't satisfy me.In post 168, Luca Blight wrote:- You're repeatedly missing the point. I never said all your reads are surface level, and having surface level reads isn't even a crime in itself early doors. My point was that it seemed you were compensating for that in the Kraeg 'deliberation', which seemed forced for the reasons I've already stated.
- I've not consistently painted anything as scummy, I made my point, which I stand by, and then have answered wave after wave of attacks from yourself about it.
-I've never said I have a real case,it was a starting point to a scumread. Just like my Skellen vote wasn't massively meaningful - it was a starting point, very much subject to later behavior.
- The first time I saw it I didn't even know what you were talking about with regards to the Slayer's gambit. Everything that pinged me came about after my original catch-up post.
I'm not getting into this 1v1 with you. If you are Town then take a deep breath, calm down and drop this so others can't just coast off the back of it. If you're scum then continue digging yourself a hole, because it won't end well for you.
I like jokes lol. Me pushing you is forcing people to take have opinions and take sides. The more events like kreag, you vs I ect the better.If you are Town then take a deep breath, calm down and drop this so others can't just coast off the back of it. If you're scum then continue digging yourself a hole, because it won't end well for you.
Why can't you get a read on people while being in the lime light? It's only 2 pages through it's not like we been going at it for ages so I don't get why your so eager to back off?In post 171, Luca Blight wrote:Since when do I need a 'real case' to vote someone early in the game?
I'm pulling away from it because I've had many situations like this in the past and rarely does something good come from repeatedly attacking each other with wall posts.
I can see your reaction from both perspectives. I used to play in a similar way as Town where I'd 1v1 someone for the hell of it, mainly out of ego rather than actually believing the other person was definitely scum (I don't believe your confidence in your SR on me, regardless of your alignment). I could also see you being angry scum getting frustrated at feeling 'unfairly' scumread and getting ready for war. I've been in both of these positions myself.
As I said, you can continue doing whatever you want,but I'm taking a step back because I want to get a read on everyone,not just you
So in response to me voting you you provided a vote not backed by a real case but continue to defend the reasoning despite you acknowledging it's not good.Since when do I need a 'real case' to vote someone early in the game?
1.Disagree>In post 174, Luca Blight wrote:1. It's not about being or not being in the limelight, I just think this conversation continuing for too long is harmful for the general gameplay, especially as we're essentially going in circles. As I said, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
2. I've acknowledged I don't have firm evidence for you being scum, but I maintain the points I made were valid.
3. That's a loaded, misrepping question...Extra scum points to you, congratulations.
I have to agree with Norwegian boy here. My style of play is pretty different I tend to get town read then ignored. My reads last game were 100% on the mark yet I got ignored even through the logic was right. It's just people didn't understand it and thought it was bad. It wasn't even caught scum for the wrong reasons as their reasoning for moves like the night kill were the exact ones I said and the motivation as well. I told town they were hunting for protective roles and I was told we don't have enough information to think that, when we did if they were smart enough to pay attention and listen to me.In post 208, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not good at analyzing dense posts and creating essays that address each and every point. I'm just gonna say that right now. I still don't think i'm a bad player, so getting policy lynched on day 1 because my playstyle is "different" from the "accepted townie standard" just feels like elitist BS.In post 207, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I want you to think about this post. You're basically recognizing that you're playing in a way that the group perceives as bad because you keep getting lynched. Yet your response to that is for the group to change it's perception of you. Why should we? If you keep playing badly, you're either scum or bad town. Why would we want you in LYLO? You're a potential liability there. So if you keep playing badly, the solution from a town perspective is to policy lynch you. That means we Lynch you D1. And we do that because we know it's bad to have you in late game situations. So while you think the site will just have to adjust to you, you may not like the way it adjusts to you. Please stop playing so reactively and start reading. I saw your reads list, care to develop that at all?In post 203, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you guys will just have to learn to deal with the way i am. Most of my posts are reactive and i usually only point out things that stick out to me. I read everything people say here but i can't be bothered to add my comments to absolutely everything. If you guys think that's scummy then by all means lynch me. If i get mislynched as town in like 5 games maybe people will begin to understand that this is just my personality and it is usually not alignment indicative.
I can elaborate on any points you want, just tell me which reads you want me to further elaborate upon and i'll do it.
First game together unless Luca was on a alt I don't know.In post 219, Skellen wrote:However I wonder if Garmr and Luca already ever have played a game together before?
This post makes me feel like Billy is even more town. I disagree with his opinion on kreag but it's not what scum buddies do for each other and if billy was scum and kreag town he wouldn't want to diffuse the kreag wagon this way.In post 268, Billy Pilgrim wrote:What happened to Garmr?
Here's where I'm at. We're in a pretty low activity game state. This works real well for scum because it breeds apathy. It also doesn't help town sort much. I'm kinda lost. Kraeg came in hyper aggro. I don't read that as scummy but others were. I think what I found a lack of effort on reads from that slot was a problem.
@Norwegian - why is Kraeg scum. Is it just that he accused you of taking us out of RVS? And if that's why, why is that enough?
I don't have a strong candidate at the moment, but I think Mohab is my preference. Sheeped the Kraeg wagon. Then hopped onto Garmr saying it felt like caught scum. Then just left and went back to Kraeg. I feel like that's the worst vote all game so far so thats where I wanna be.
VOTE: Mohab
In post 312, Billy Pilgrim wrote:In post 311, Garmr wrote:I find it weird people are trying to link other kreag as scum before the flip. I intend to hammer but I'm waiting for a bit more Emperor posts and a roleclaim.
What made you down with killing Kraeg? Did your read change and I missed it?
The vote on me was opportunistic It was when I was a viable wagon and the mood look like I could be mislynched. His points were pretty bad and already discussed. Also the atmosphere around him makes me read scum becuase of the way people are treating him. It's like everyone's certain he will flip scum and they are prepping for it. Kreag also has no emotions to this if I was being mislynched I would try to at least pass on something and I'd be pissed at town.In post 217, Garmr wrote:Tldr versions of my reads at the moment.Pretty much Ordered.
Town
-Billy Pilgram
This is my biggest town read. I can see how his brain ticks, he gets caught up in Luca's post and the flow of it and sheeps. But then he self reflects on it adjusts and comes out with something logical. That's would be some high level scum play and it comes more natural from town.
Skellen- this was hard to order with my next read but I put it here first. The skellen posts have been logical and in the beginning textbook. But the conclusions they get and the way they hold them selves seem townie and 152 is literally spitting townie at me. Also I think the wagon on them seemed a bit suss and at least one scum on it.
NorwegianboyEE - It's hard to describe in words it's a lot of their personality. Also them standing up to profii about their beliefs made me town read them even more.
Null- town leaning
Mohab- This is pretty much all gut
-Profii I was originally really keen on this slot being town. Even through I disagreed with their skellen vote I thought it was a good ice breaker. Then they made a good but wrong point about me being scum and I'm like ok they are going to vote me. That didn't happen which puzzled me so I didn't give in to their demands to see if they would vote me. They continued pushing me from the side while keeping their vote off me. I was wondering when they would vote me because at certain points I only had 1 or 2 votes on me. Then they voted NorwegianboyEE and it was for the shit reasoning when they could of gone on me. But I don't think they are scum with Luca Blight.
Null-
Emperor FlippyNips-Null for reasons only post I didn't like was the oh I'm drunk. It read a little jumpy and defensive but nothing to really scum read.
null-scum
Kraeg-Literally god awful the vote on me was trash his actions were so bad but lacked scum motivation. But they lacked town motivation either now I think about it. Might just be a noob scum since they never had a scum game before.
Scum-
Luca blight- do I need to explain after my 1v1.
Thanks for the vote count so fast was hoping to see some reactions thinking I hammered.In post 318, Jackal711 wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.8
Mohab500 (1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (1) - Kraeg
L-1Kraeg (4) - NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500, Skellen, Garmr
Billy Pilgrim (0) -
Not Voting: Luca Blight, Emperor FlippyNips, profii
ACTIVITY NOTES:
Luca Blight is V/LA through Monday, Sept 9
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)
Probs just stalling.In post 337, NorwegianboyEE wrote:He should at least have told us if he's busy in RL or what. At least we would know whether he's serious or just stalling.
In post 340, Mohab500 wrote:I'll try to go more indepth with why I felt Garmer was scummier later.In post 288, Skellen wrote:Yeah nevermind, I forgot how to English and misread your sentence. It makes sense how you originally said it.In post 242, Mohab500 wrote: I am not sure if I missed something regarding this question; I am sticking these two together because they're my current scumreads. I think it's unlikely they're both scum together. I am just pointing out my thoughts on them for everybody to see.
Ok, so I get that you thought Garmr was the scummier one in the 1v1 because his tone sounded like coming from caught scum. I would appreciate if you could explain what specific parts suggest so. Also since you think it's either TvT or TvS (with scum!Garmr) I assume you are townreading Luca? (or are you just saying "town" because he is just not scummy to you?) Anyway what I mean is what makes Luca townier to you?
As for TvT and TvS thing, I just meant the conversation didn't seem like it was from 2 people who were teammates or so. It could very well be scum Luca and town Garmr.
I didn't necessarily see anything super positive about luca (tone is a bit nice but aside from that, nothing specific), but I don't see anything scummy about him either from that exchange. Garmr gave me a different vibe however.
Why didn't you in that post. You keep putting it off?In post 350, Kraeg wrote:Ok, that means I'll roleclaim
Sounds like a scum role. It doesn't make me want to unvote him.In post 357, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ugh, I hate this claim.In post 352, Kraeg wrote:I'm theTown Roleblocker.
I don't want this slot to die so I guess I really have to do this. I'm hoping that there's a doctor who will protect me at night. If ever I do get killed tonight, the wagon on me says a lot about who's scum here. I'm confident that the scum team is on my wagon and I will be roleblocking one of them tonight.
Can you please explain why you were playing so strangely like all of D1? You came in guns blazing almost trying to draw attention to yourself. What's the point of that playstyle with your role?
Also, Garmr, is this the type of role you had in mind?
No offence but this is pretty bs. None of my thoughts were far reached and they were pretty all grounded. I thought you would have a actual reason to scum read me. You cna be null scum with kreag,In post 362, Mohab500 wrote:To an extent I agree with the arguments Luca pulls up against Garmr, such as the stuff about speculating over PR for example. But mainly; It is true that both Luca and Garmr inherit somewhat defensive tones during their exchange, but I find Luca's tone more natural compared to Garmr's; thoughts seem more precise and simple, while Garmr's thoughts seem far reached and more like they're looking for stuff from the game or their posts to clear their name. I usually dislike that kind of approach because I feel that very often, town has more straight forward motivations so Garmr just kind of ends up on my wrong side.
Think everyones established that speculating power roles would be null for me. Because there's no scum motivation in there and as others pointed out Luca was incapable of thinking up a scum motivation when I was in my scenario. So this just seems to me your trying to sheep someone else's logic with out thinking about it. Town would of pondered about it unless it was insti decision but you had time to reflect and read the discussions about it.In post 362, Mohab500 wrote:To an extent I agree with the arguments Luca pulls up against Garmr, such as the stuff about speculating over PR for example. But mainly; It is true that both Luca and Garmr inherit somewhat defensive tones during their exchange, but I find Luca's tone more natural compared to Garmr's; thoughts seem more precise and simple, while Garmr's thoughts seem far reached and more like they're looking for stuff from the game or their posts to clear their name. I usually dislike that kind of approach because I feel that very often, town has more straight forward motivations so Garmr just kind of ends up on my wrong side.
I thought mohab was the best target.In post 434, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You'll need to announce who you're jailkeeping Gramr.
I'm starting to see kreag as town as well. I feel like the way he process's the game is different than me.In post 482, Luca Blight wrote:As for this point - I can see why he, as Town RB, would consider that you were telling the truth about your own claim - because it makes no sense for scum to claim there. Once Kraeg is lynched and flips Town, your lynch would follow Tomorrow.In post 475, Garmr wrote: Kreag accepts me as a jailkeeper instead of pushing against my counter claim.He should be totally against me.
Not that I fully believe Kraeg. I don't know what to think after all this BS.
Well we got mohab strange reaction I think I got quite a bit out of it. The chaos I produce fucks with scum as much as town.In post 478, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Jesus, why does town think it's a good idea to fake claim on this site? Fake-softing is one thing to draw the NK, but fake cc'ing. Wtf? I changed the way I was thinking about this game and now I'm gonna have to come back to it tomorrow, because of this bullshit. I hate these stupid gambits. Ihope you got something out of it, because I'm just pissed now.
This would only work if Kreag is scum but say Profii was scum with Mohab. It would allow his partner to get night kill and maybe get a pseudo town confirmation from new players who can't think.In post 486, profii wrote:CalmIn post 474, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Look, if you're confirmed tomorrow, as you suggest, great. If you're not and Garmr dies and we don't know for sure who he checked, then I'm coming for you. The one thing I can do well is strategy around mechanics, if you run this Gambit and we don't get a confirmed inno, then we blew our town pr for nothing.In post 472, profii wrote:Or is itIn post 466, Billy Pilgrim wrote:. This is obviously a soft,
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Scum have a choice - kill garmr and his info or kill me and my inno status
If they believe me
We will deal with the rest tomorrow
Seems kinda like a fake reason to be mad since your not a noob. People do worse shit on this site all the time get over it, it produced some decent reactions.In post 492, profii wrote:The though running through my mind is Garmr
He said with bold certainty that Luca was scum, I doubt it
He lied to try and get the lynch he wanted
So he is not playing a team game - is he doing it because he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room (hint garmr, answer seems to be no at this point)
Or is he trying to push a mislynch
So let's think on that
A Kraeg mislynch infers kraeg!town and garmr,!scum - doesn't necessarily mean garmr JK as scum lie
Kraeg does have a low content play style that is easy to call scummy so is a good push for scum but if he flips town we would instantly lynch garmr tomorrow so youd have to be confident that your pal is deep wolf and happy to fend off about 3 lynches
I dont think anyone fits that bill
So I dont think Garmr is scum actually so i retract my point that we lynch him tomorrow - I was just annoyed at this idiocy
So the other scenario is that Kraeg AND garmr are both town. I'll consider that later
I think I need to come back with fresh eyes as I'm totally unimpressed by Garmrs antics
As Billy pointed out you one can soft to attract a NK, which I've obviously attempted to save a JK but for absolutely no reason at all other than garmr thinks he knows it all
Mad right now
FixedIn post 493, Garmr wrote:The pay off If kreag was scum I would of taken the bullet lynched scum and saved a potential power role. Also even now scum will find it hard to act appropriately in the chaos. A Chaotic environment has caused many a scum to slip up. Scum don't think like town. While it's easier for scum to adapt to a cookie cutter game, If a bombshell like this hits them they will find it harder and harder to mimic a natural town reaction.
So you think billy being mad at me was genuine or not?In post 499, profii wrote:eh i just voted billy