Mini Theme 2103 - E Bastard

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VOTE: Vorkuta

[nomnomnom]

I don't think this is scum!cyrus

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I've seen scum cyrus, he tends to point out his voters as scum pretty early on, and the majority of them, and asks the vote to come off. Here it's slightly different from that so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Anyway I was skimming a game a month ago or so and I saw the very same thing with the Korina death N0 and it turned out the player was scum and wasn't actually dead but comes back on D2 or something like that. Gotta go back and dig that game up to see if my memory is correct but I think there will be a high chance of a sxumKorina if she "magically" comes back.

Please link that game.

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Somehow this feels like scum!vork.

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Somehow I feel like this game is making me a little insane :@

What is in this game exactly is making you go insane, friend?

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but feel free to elaborate as to how I'm doing exactly the same thing I've done in cats or whatever it is you have hidden with your "somehow"

I don't have anything like that. It's just my intuition speaking for me here.

[nomnomnom]

I no longer feel like playing this game

Sorry bud.

Not your fault but like

There’s a fine line that’s definitely been crossed with regards to the setup

You joined a bastard game what did you expect?? lol

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I still think Vorkuta is scum by the by.

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@nom x3
cult!scum, or traditional mafia!scum?
a,k,a, are you acknowledging that a traditional mafia faction exists in this game?

That question doesn't matter. I think you're a flavor of scum regardless of what it is.

[nomnomnom]

I've scumclaimed no?

What

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Vork you reek of scum right now it's unreal

[nomnomnom]

I don't think I've said you were scum as town once before actually.
This is the first time but feel free to refresh my memory.

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And of course there's something you should know but neither of us are allowed to discuss

What

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I legit have no clue what you're talking about.

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I don't see Drew as anti-town. What kind of scum/cultist would go ahead and say all of this?

I think the problem is elsewhere this game.

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Also honestly Vork is pretty anti-town this game. If you think there's a cult member that isn't Vorkuta then speak up, but I think that this whole doctor drew thing is leading us to our doom in terms of scumhunting.

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@Drew I have a question.

I see in your ISO that you telegraphed a cult pretty early on. Was there a reason not to reveal yourself at all in the beginning if you believed that you were actively hurting town?

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I have a good feeling that drew is an informed jester and is trying to net himself a mislynch, or get recruited for an easier win.

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It's also completely possible that the information drew received is completely bullshit, for all that's worth. This is a bastard game after all. Let's not jump on the guy that is painting a target on his back and think through this one rationally.

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@Drew any feelings as to who might be the living cult here?

I know it wasn't directed at me...

but omnonmnonmnono seems to want Drew to live

Because I believe that something is not quite right with how Drew is going about things and that he's an informed jester.

The true problem in this game lies elsewhere. That's what my intuition tells me.

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Thing is how does RCE not accounting for Drew being a jester make RCE scum? From all I know if Drew gets lynched he wins solo so its not really scumindicative rathet than dumbindicative what RCE is doing

I don't actually have a problem if drew is jester. It's still non town and not the worst lynch.

A mislynch is a mislynch.

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I guess my real problem is that actual scum or cultists might use Drew as a distraction and I don't want to end today with what feels like a coinflip to me. It's better to generate more on D1. If the only end answer is a Drew lynch then I won't oppose it, but I feel we all can do better.

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Hm...

UNVOTE:

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this would make 3 cults then

hm?

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????

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Or it's a false role.

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This game became full setup spec instead of scumhunting. This only helps scum.

I know lynching Drew is probably the right thing to do at face value, but my intuition is telling me that it's the wrong move.

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can we pressure the dude that says Drew is obviously town and wants to lynch there without questions asked?

The role is claimed is clearly anti-town despite having a town win condition, so I understand why someone would want to lynch there.

I think there's a catch to all this. Certainly a moderator isn't going to make a game, even bastard, with a cult recruiter only and that's it. There's gotta be more to it. I still think there's a possibility drew's role is fake.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I think I want to explore this avenue.

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You know, I think I'll share my thoughts on this whole game by asking a question to you all.

If there were scums this game, would they push to get Drew lynched today, or would they prefer keeping him around?

Regardless I think the most incoherent player in the list is VOTE: Vorkuta, and I recognize some scum behavior of his this game.

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But according to Drew some people cannot be converted. I'm going to go ahead and guess one of the following scenarios:

1. None of us can be converted but none of us are told that, making Drew a fake role.
2. Each team this game has members that cannot be converted.

So by this logic I'm gonna guess if scums are in this game, they must have at the very least someone that can't be converted.

Besides my question is more on the logic "would scums just push a Drew lynch and use that as an excuse for scumhunting or would they do something else". It's a genuine question.

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Perhaps we should actually force people to claim if they have a "cannot be converted" clause in their role PM? I think this benefits literally everyone in this scenario.

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I just think perhaps having people claim if they can be converted or not could be an indicator of Drew's role being true or fake. After all there must be a way that the mod, if Drew's role is true, chooses people that can or cannot be converted, correct? So either some people are outright told that they cannot be converted, or we're unaware of it.

I'd say it's worth a shot though.

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How is massclaiming recruitable/unrecruitable helping town?

Well, Drew established two things with his role:
1. He recruits people

at random

to the cult.
2. Some people cannot be recruited.

By that logic, it means that there is no clear downside to having people claim if they can't be recruited to the cult if the recruiting is random anyway. In fact it would actually help setup spec in the sense that it confirms that the game indeed has cult mechanics. If no one claims they can't be converted, Drew's role having a catch, or being a False role, gets more and more likely.

I think that kind of logic also helps town get a sense of cohesion by working towards a common goal, which is to figure out this game. It makes everyone in this game have to claim unconvertible or not, and doesn't let scums slide with a very easy "let's just lynch drew lol" kind of logic.

There are also several scenarios if people start claiming they can't be converted, which helps narrow down our scumhunting for today and in the future. It's a strict net benefit to town no matter how you look at it.

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If his role literally enables a cult recruiter to recruit, it doesn't matter.

His role doesn't have an enabler clause to it, so it cannot be that.

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Secretly Selective refers to what I said: Either the mod rolls a dice or there is a way that the target is chosen, so figuring out if some people cannot be converted, or the way people are converted, could be a way to solve this game if we don't lynch drew today.

Cultifier is a weird wording though. Wouldn't it be more logical to have it be Cult Recruiter or something? Although I guess the word is 100% meant to say that the person is aligned with the cult, and cultifier could be a wording to say that Drew is town. I don't know.

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I mean, I'll start and see if that idea picks up.

I don't have an "Unconvertible" clause in my role PM.

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We can't afford to go somewhere else than VOTE: drew

Apathy profits scum. To whoever restarts reading day 1 again, keep in mind that anyone letting apathy go on is clearly anti-town given the rules punish town for being apathetic. Please pay attention to this.

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I have made my slight displeasure with RCE and nom slots quite obvious but am probably not as likely to scum read them
Plus it would be suicide for scum!both to be like that

scum/cult!Chemist being depressed is just an under-the-belt play IMHO so he can be town

Is this a slip, perhaps?

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Uh oh. Turns out I'm right! Vork and RCE are scum together. Unfortunate slip.

VOTE: Vorkuta

[nomnomnom]

Would you have preferred

"I buy Chemist's AtE and think it comes from "looming existential dread town"

instead?

Not really.

The slip is your wording difference to refer to me/RCE and Chemist. I think what you just did is a subconscious slip and you know for a fact that RCE is scum and decided to put it with another townie in a null slot because that's what scums do to their partners to not be too obvious about it, which is why you said "scum!both". You made the difference with Chemist because you don't know what he is.

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And before you say "what the hell that's ridiculous" this is how I caught a scum instantly categorizing me as a serial killer in a theme game because he simply knew that I couldn't be scum, so subconsciously jumped to the natural conclusion in his mind, when the more obvious explanation would have been that I was scum that game.

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Why do you want to vote RCE? Wasn't he supposed to be a null slot for you?

What happened to Cyrus and PM grinding your gears so much you want them out of the game?

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The fact that you think you can get a majority

TOWN GIVE ME YOUR POWER
LET'S CRUSH THIS SCUM

[nomnomnom]

It's not because I was wrong once that Ill be wrong forever

Plus this slip is actually serious. It doesn't look like much, but I pay attention to what people type. The fact you differentiated how you categorized Chemist, and me/RCE is pretty telling of something subconscious. And I think the subconscious tell is that you know RCE is scum, so you just typed scum!both.

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I also said that in my first post lol, that you made a difference, to say scum!both, yet said scum/cult!chemist for chemist. That's the slip.

Town let's lynch Vorkuta please, we don't have much time.

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Uh oh. Turns out I'm right! Vork and RCE are scum together. Unfortunate slip.

VOTE: Vorkuta

Don't you dare throw me in as scum off the back of Vork scumming it up.

lolololololo

I feel someone scared to vote Vork and see him flip scum

OOPS

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this is how I caught a scum instantly categorizing me as a serial killer

wait

is your ""slip"" the fact that I didn't cover myself and say "third party/cultist/scum!both"?
Because I'm pretty damn sure that was self evident....

If it's self evident why did you feel the need to make that difference with chemist?

That's why it's a slip

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come on RCE, vote vorkuta, let's make him flip scum then let's have a giggle and a good laugh tomorrow as I vote you to your doom and we start worrying about a possible cult growing alongside our debacle

[nomnomnom]

Uh oh. Turns out I'm right! Vork and RCE are scum together. Unfortunate slip.

VOTE: Vorkuta

Don't you dare throw me in as scum off the back of Vork scumming it up.

lolololololo

I feel someone scared to vote Vork and see him flip scum

OOPS

What you aren't going to do is agree the best play for town is Drew's Lynch and then turn around and threaten me for not following through with that lynch.

It's time to choose your destiny.

Either you make the boring choice and vote a player that's 99% jester/A false role/a completely red herring/Actually a cultifier and we're doomed.

Either you take this chaos road with me.

Do it you won't

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Like, nom I 100% agree Vork is scum here. Blatantly so. But scum doesn't become MORE of a threat with passing cycles where cult absolutely does.

God damn it RCE listen to your heart

I'm sure your heart is like "BAM BAAAM LET'S KILL VORKUTA YEAAAAAA"

[nomnomnom]

.....
telling my scum partner.... who i've slipped.... to shoot me....

nom, listen to yourself

Ah yes it is time

The time to play 7D chess as Vorkuta realizes he's caught and is now trying to make me doubt on RCE being his partner.

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I'm so glad to have jumped to your scum pool after sitting in your completely absolutely categorically resolute neutral pool.

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It's because Vorkuta and RCE are now playing 7D chess.

Just vote Vorkuta and watch some fireworks happen.

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Vork you should have mixed up your distancing and AAARGH techniques from when we did it in cats buddy

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nom your level of confidence on this is really messing with me tbh

"This thing that might be a slip is 100% a slip because it was a slip once in the past"

That's basically the vibe I'm getting from your posts wrt Vork

Subconscious slips are 100% the best way to catch someone off guard because people don't even realize they do it.

It's how I caught chennis with his bad habit regarding his tendency to write a certain way when rolling scum, and it's how I caught someone thinking I was instantly SK when their thought process should have been that I was scum first. There is benefit of the doubt for some stuff, but for these things I give them a lot of weight because people have close to no control over that unless they're aware of it!

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I invoke the same 35 page long PT chat where nom should know that scum!vork doesnt slip like this

Everyone subconsciously slips like that when rolling scum, me included. You even were scared you typed some stuff that gave you away in that PT, if I remember correctly. But I ain't sifting through that again lol

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Vorkuta this is literally the only (literally the one and only) wagon I have ever led successfully anywhere let me have it pls kthxbye

[nomnomnom]

Now that I understand VERBATIM what it is, I am sweating heavily and shaking and trying to come up with anything so town unvotes me please let me go

FTFY

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LMAO

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I care about a cultist threat, but I said it before: I think Drew's role is a red herring in one way or another. I listened to my intuition on this one.

I would only vote Drew in a situation where I know nothing else can get a majority but here I was a massive slip to support my case so you're going down.

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Town Unconvertible Strongwilled Compulsive Secretly Selective Cultifier

Who the fuck hallucinates this shit up as a jester?

all they'd have to do is slip hurr durr

You from the past doesn't seem to agree with you lol

DREW:
-50%: genuine town who got a sucky bastard role which brings major town utility /s
-50%: jester/3rd play

Also you decided to vote Cyrus during that time period as well so all your arguments right now are emotionally driven bye bye

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we need three other votes to lynch Vorkuta let's get on it pals

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I think I'll come back a few times here to either laugh at you going to this length as scum when caught in a slip, or me successfully leading my wagon for the first (and I feel only) time on a townie

Let's just hope we're in case 1.

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Does seem a bit like you are really trying to drive home that Vork is scum, I do think he is, but you are throwing it all against the wall to prove your point

Everytime I have rolled town, I've had cases and sometimes solidly nailed scum, but nobody ever listens to me. I've quite literally never lead a successful wagon so it leads to the habit of me constantly hammering the point home in the hopes people listen for once.

Although that precise thing lead to a really bad post-game argument where I happened to be wrong and the nailing thing made things bad, so yeah, I'll probably cool it.

[nomnomnom]

If I'm not cool does it mean I'm hot

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super
hot

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Listen, I can get behind a nom lynch.

Can you?

Oh no you didn't

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RC, if you are still alive, please place your vote on me.

[nomnomnom]

He definitely broke the rules. Text of truth.

VOTE: Vorkuta

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EDIT: Never mind, slipped up on that. The text of truth is

this, but replace the B with an F when quoting.

Slip up, and I'm not proud of it.

Please don't do stuff that can get you modkilled

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Nom' s lack of followup

What do you want me to say more than what I said yesterday?
If I say more, I'll be accused again of hammering people with the same stuff over and over again. My case on you hasn't changed. It's exactly the same, modkill or not.

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VOTE: nom

Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos

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Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.

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nommers, you had an RVS vote there that turned into a scumread, not the other way around



what say you

Alright, so I happened to vote someone in RVS who I thought happened to be pretty scummy. What's the problem?

And even if you're going the direction I am thinking, it is not a reason to lynch me and it's akin to a mislynch. That is if I'm correct about the sort of conclusion you're reaching.

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By the way this Korina stuff is seriously unlucky for me. I was about to finally get one of my scumreads lynched and all of a sudden there's a modkill, and I'm the one voted? Jesus christ, talk about 0% luck lol

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Alright, so I happened to vote someone in RVS who I thought happened to be pretty scummy

what do you think was scummy about vorkuta at that time?

I saw that post, my intuition was like "vote him", so I did.

Then I found his other posts scummy, so I had no other reason to change it, and pushed him as a lynch yesterday. I don't see the problem with that. It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.

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what if the reason he broke the rules was to stop us from killing town though? o wpi;d have voted you also so yea

If Korrina broke the rules to stop us from killing town, then either Korrina wanted to stop us from killing Drew or he/she knew that Vork was Town. Either way you look at it, it does not help your case. Drew has told us he's a cultifier, and yes, I wanted chaos to reign the previous day, but leaving a Cultifier alive is a mistake that can cost us dearly. If Vork is scum or not, it doesn't matter right now. What matters is that we eliminate the cult as soon as possible.

Why are we having these discussions now when we SHOULD be lynching the Cultifier? We can save it for tomorrow when all of us are worrying less about changing alignments.

So wait, yesterday when people tell you that you're all "lol xd let's have fun" but now you want to lynch Drew?
Is this town alright or?

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I'm just so lost with this playerlist jesus christ lol

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Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol

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Jesus christ, you guys need to learn to read.

Unvote Drew right now and get back to scumhunting.

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Why haven't people unvoted Drew yet?

Unvote drew now. Please.

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Why haven't people unvoted Drew yet?

Unvote drew now. Please.

Why shouldnt people be voting me?

You already know why.
Your reign of terror is over, Joker.

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Why haven't people unvoted Drew yet?

Unvote drew now. Please.

Why shouldnt people be voting me?

You already know why.
Your reign of terror is over, Joker.

You really think I am a jester?

Would be a hell of a fake claim.

I guess you do have a vivid imagination.

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I'm just gonna say this, anyone that bought the claim no questions asked is definitely suspicious as of now. I had the intuition that scums used Drew as an excuse for scumhunting and I feel my intuition is correct. Perhaps we should take a good look there some time soon.

pedit: yeah, what you pointed at isn't in the word list either. It's definitely a bullshit role.

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Speaking of reading back

And of course there's something you should know but neither of us are allowed to discuss

I still have no clue what you were talking about.

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Are you kidding?

Read the thread.

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I'm not spoonfeeding you. Read the thread, not an iso.
You realize this is scum indicative yes?

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Wait guys that wasn’t a hardclaim that I had mech info on Drew being jester

I’m just insane

Are you for real?

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Yes I actually took this as a serious claim and so did Ico because it was worded in such a way to believe it was a PR. So I'm not crazy.

@Chemist if it's not a claim why did you say this at all?

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Wait guys that wasn’t a hardclaim that I had mech info on Drew being jester

I’m just insane

Are you for real?

You actually thought he hardclaimed that he had a dream? What was that about believing "claims" so easily being foolish? I thought you said something about that yourself.

It's not the dream part, but it definitely looked like a claim. I instantly thought "rolecop" or "oracle" when seeing that. And again, look at Ico, I'm not the only one who had that first thought.

Also I'm inclined to believe claims where people come unprompted out of the woodwork to confirm something. I did think that Chemist could have been a cultist softing a rolecop type of role, however. I chose to believe the rolecop route though.

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No, I cannot recruit if I am dead.

Then what was that about you still recruiting when dead earlier?

[nomnomnom]

Urgh...

VOTE: Drew

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The 2 cultists

What do you mean "the 2 cultists"?

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Surely at this point massclaim should be an option yes? I'm completely in the dark here and what happened Day 1 might have completely doomed town, so I think we need to take our time with what could possibly be the last day where town can keep being a majority. Voting here is an awful choice as well.

pedit: Well then I reiterate my question to shos: What do you mean by 5:2:2?

[nomnomnom]

For now I think a Shos and Vorkuta team is likely.

I think massclaim is inevitable. I want shos, Vorkuta, gameplay, cyrus and chick to claim first. In that order.

[nomnomnom]

You and shos are claiming first. I'll claim third if you want, but you two are claiming first. I will not concede on this.

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You know what? I know this is going to take way too much time and that this discussion will probably take a stupid amount of time, so I'll just take the leader role and start this massclaim. We are popcorning.

I am a VT. Shos, you're claiming next.

[nomnomnom]

Popcorn it to someone else, shos

[nomnomnom]

@shos please popcorn the claim to someone else and stop delaying this intentionally

We need to get this massclaim out of the way first.

[nomnomnom]

Also I need to point out that shos starting zeroing in on me when Ico voted me and he followed without any kind of rhyme or reason, I called him out on it, and ever since he stayed on me, without any other read, not saying anything and just asking people to lynch me. That on top of delaying the massclaim.

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I don't care what your feelings are. We are massclaiming.

Claim a role and popcorn to someone who hasn't claimed. This is why I wanted you to claim first so you don't have to do this charade.

[nomnomnom]

You do realize I've already claimed, yes? And why would you want to bestow on me the whole who claims next when you're oh so sure I'm scum?

Please point it out.

[nomnomnom]

huh right I think you claimed but you need to popcorn it

[nomnomnom]

*sigh*
just popcorn it and don't waste people's time. I'm not talking about anything until we're done with massclaiming because it delays it.

[nomnomnom]

Oh just quit it with the massclaim bullshit guys
this game is a short deadline game and you're all wasting time on this crap. Setup spec will give you nothing, especially in a bastard game.

You're telling everyone not to waste time with this but you're wasting time by not popcorning it.

VOTE: shos
I've had enough of your idiocy.

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

So many anti town moves...

[nomnomnom]

shos is probably town btw

sure he hasn't popcorned, but why teh fuck does that get a scumread? He's been fighting that since a couple days, and has Always explained he thinks it's a terrible idea and that he won't. At least he's been trying to figure out the game and sorting lol

Because it's super antitown if everyone has decided that and we're on a tight time limit as well.

[nomnomnom]

I consider a week a tight time limit and wasting time in this configuration is REALLY bad.

[nomnomnom]

It's easier to get the massclaim over with. then hunt and everything, but that's not possible if we have someone purposefully stopping that from being smooth.

I think there's one scum in shos, vorkuta and cyrus. Possibly 2.

[nomnomnom]

Then direct me to the scum, that isn't Chickadee, since I know your thoughts on her slot.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think PM is scum, I could see gameplay being scum, Chick is still hazy in my mind, and do I need to say anything about the 4th slot?

[nomnomnom]

You ignore the game. Completely disregarded what I said.

I don't. You're accusing someone of something you yourself are doing. You've done two things right now: scream "MASSCLAIM IS BAD" and "NOM IS SCUM" which is not scumhunting at all either and in fact pretty bad since you stalled the massclaim in favor of absolutely nothing else. So if you're town, you're playing extremely bad right now and allowing scums to get away with not claiming.

I'm still pondering about if I should Vork or you. I have the feeling that in a lot of circumstances town!vork would have already lost his mind with you, but at the same time you're being overall pretty anti-town right now so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

Vork, just claim pls honey thx

[nomnomnom]

You're aware that's extremely anti-town correct?

What are your other reads, mister scumhunt?

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps it'd go better if people that complained actually contributed to this game

[nomnomnom]

A cultread on Cyrus how? What is cult indicative of him?

[nomnomnom]

I'm sick (again) and this game is low priority for me if people continue playing the way they have.

I tried D1 to do the sensible thing as town and no one listened. Drew lived, and now people are trying figure out ratios because omg cult, when we could have nipped that in the bud before it started. And everyone is wasting time about this whole mass claim business. It should have been a simple come-in-claim-get-on-with-it kind of deal.

So why should I care if the rest of town doesn't doesn't care about playing the game? That was an incredibly cheap shot to take at me nom. I was just trying to vent a frustration at the game state.

I wasn't referring to you when I said that, I was specifically referring to shos.

The reason why Drew lived is because Korina was modkilled. Simple as that.

Some people make this game harder for no reason though, I agree, and I would lie if I said I never wanted to simply give up. But still.

[nomnomnom]

Cult equity

oh yes *ahem* I can answer this

I think cyrus is our starter cultist

I'll request you don't answer that and let shos explain why.

[nomnomnom]

If he ignores this question it means he has no interest in the gamestate and screaming at people because they don't scumhunt, while also not scumhunting.

The guy isn't scumhunting, all he's looking for is a 1v1 confrontation with me and call that scumhunting.

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How about other people?

Can I ask why you townread Vork and Ico? And restate why you scumread me?

[nomnomnom]

This game is depressing in all honestly. Bah...

[nomnomnom]

If you're worried to die at night you might as well claim and not play this game of maybe-maybe not

I'm thinking of one scum in you/shos.

[nomnomnom]

It still makes no sense to think that there was a cult in the first place, honestly. At least to me. Doesn't matter.

You still think shos is not scum?

[nomnomnom]

Vork, I know you've been referring to this over and over, but I genuinely have no idea what you're referring to. I'm being honest here.

[nomnomnom]

What do these pairings mean?

[nomnomnom]

The levels of apathy are seriously unnerving this game, it'd be great to talk to ANYONE. What happened to this game honestly? Korina's death killed the mood of this game and it's like no one cares. At all. It's annoying me a lot.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: shos
Screw this game honestly. Let's go for this.

[nomnomnom]

now this is a vote, didn't you want chick today?

[nomnomnom]

i do

but literally nobody is interested in lynching there so what more do you want me to do?

I mean fair, didn't know your thoughts on shos

Honestly I hardly care about this game, everyone is apathetic this game save from one or two people and playing a game like this isn't fun, bastard or not.

[nomnomnom]

Until I see actual evidence of cult (flip or flavour), i'm not even gonna bother going there. There's scum or a SK tho, and I think it's in nom/chick.

why do you think I'm SK?

[nomnomnom]

Until I see actual evidence of cult (flip or flavour), i'm not even gonna bother going there. There's scum or a SK tho, and I think it's in nom/chick.

why do you think I'm SK?

i doubt there's a SK, actually

Then what's up with that thought that there's a SK in me/Chick and you voting shos 30 minutes prior? lol

[nomnomnom]

Honestly I do too but at this point I'll just vote for the most anti-town player on this table and hope that this either turns out right or that it's a lesson about how not to play town for him if he somehow flips green lol

pedit: nah I don't like that

[nomnomnom]

Honestly I'd put a good amount of people in there but it's more frustration than anything. I feel like shos reads scum with a really anti-town tone, Cyrus feels anti-town and nonsensical but from what I read from his newbie games that's how he is, Chemist lurks a lot and feels not helpful but not sure I'd say it's anti-town? Feels like the normal game I played with him, equally absent, so yeah.

There's a reason why I'm frustrated with this game, I have a hard time rooting a player in this game as "Ah yes this person has sanity" which would make this game a lot easier.

[nomnomnom]

shos has been calling you out and is feeling genuinly annoyed at you for ignoring said posts and case. How do you read that as scum?

I've been reading them, what I find scummy is this laser-guided scumhunting. Guy didn't say anything valuable, complained about this game, its players and a massclaim, and the only reason he is on me is because I thought his sheep on your vote day 2 was extremely bad. That is scummy.

What am I supposed to say to him? "Yes I read him but I'm not scum!!!"? I'm not trying to convince him, why would I try to convince someone that I think is scum, that I'm not scum? Also the reason why I ignore him showcases why he's scum: the only thing that he's doing is harping on that one thing. THAT is why he's scum and that's why I've been ignoring him

[nomnomnom]

shos has been calling you out and is feeling genuinly annoyed at you for ignoring said posts and case. How do you read that as scum?

i can agree that Cyrus feels anti town but that's just him… he has some legit good reads if you give him time tho

chemist… yeah that's right don't even rememberd that lol

why are gameplay and pm not in tehre?

I've played a game with PM where he did the exact same thing so I'm not sure it's AI. I feel gameplay could be scum but I'm not willing to go on a player that has clearly siteflaked right now. Probably a good lynch tomorrow if we survive today though.

[nomnomnom]

ok so can we lynch chickadee now?

I'm really not sure Chick goes to the length of going AtE over reading my posts and thinking I meant that she's flaking on purpose while exaggerating real life issues as scum or something among those lines, so I'm undecided on this one.

[nomnomnom]

I see what you mean but I feel like Chick's reaction was much more emotional but shos was more grounded on "reads" and "facts" and what have you. I don't know, this game's hard to read with the sheer amount of lurking and unhelpful posts.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe lurking isn't the word but I seriously have the feeling that no one cares about this game and it deeply frustrates me. Maybe I'm being overemotional or exaggerating but eh.

[nomnomnom]

Who knows, it's gonna be WIFOM anyway so I don't think it's a worthwhile discussion

[nomnomnom]

Does it??

I don't get it, care to explain?

[nomnomnom]

Game is hard.

What are your thoughts on Vork?

[nomnomnom]

Oof the betrayal.

I feel forced in such an awkward position right now, specifically because of the uncertainty of the other people voting lol

Where did Chickadee go in that lynchpool

[nomnomnom]

Okhams tells me that shos is a really pissed off townie, but I've just finished a game (EMM with nom lol) where a "similar" player turned out to be scum, which forces me to scratch my head more.

The pissed off nature is not warranted is why I think the slot is scum, unless Chickadee who I felt was REALLY pissed about what I said, so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

unlike chickadee*

[nomnomnom]

Anything specific?

I mean.... you just like... completely..... went all "imma ignore nom and never reply to anything nom says ever again" so....

@nom- why is shos's outrage "manufactured"?

More intuition and feeling rather than rational thought tbh. It just feels like unnecessary escalation in a way. It's like if a colleague at work was rude to you and you shouted "THAT'S IT I QUIT MY JOB" and smashed a nearby cup to the ground. It's possible but it's excessive.

[nomnomnom]

I think PM and Chemist are bad lynch choices from what I saw from them as scum, these two tend to hardflake as town but I could be wrong.

[nomnomnom]

Nom can you elaborate on PM a bit

Just finished a game with him where he rolled a Friendly Neighbor and basically lurked the entire game, did nonsensical stuff and overall was just absent despite his role (and even worse, did not think critically of some situations involving his night actions). He's doing the same thing here so do I really want to go for a lurksack? Of course it'd be sad if the guy ended up doing this in all of his games because that'd mean that everygame you have to decide if it's worth to lynch a guy that painfully isn't active at all.

If you have evidence that PM lurks equally as bad as scum then I'll reconsider my position.

[nomnomnom]

Chemist yeah

Jigglypuff actually high efforts as town and tries to solve
EMM- viewtopic.php?p=11261751&user_select%5B ... #p11261751
B&W- viewtopic.php?p=11291413&user_select%5B ... #p11291413
Like look at those damn wallposts and readlists in his ISOs

So his "chaotic neutral: rain fire and brimstone down upon us- I revel in this descent of madness!" thing this game really rubs me the wrong way.

Did we read the same game regarding EMM? The guy didn't pick up on the fact that you should have townread him immediately upon receiving a mod confirmation that he's town, I wouldn't call that good solving and overall the guy didn't post as much and was completely absent in LYLO lol

[nomnomnom]

Hm...
I'm a bit torn on this but you raise some good points.

[nomnomnom]

@Mod

we probably should get a deadline extension yes?

[nomnomnom]

Eh whatever
VOTE: PM

Gotta get this game going somehow with people that do not participate whatsoever.

[nomnomnom]

Also, I think nommers at least put in some effort to sorting these last couple of days. I don't really feel like nom wants to lynch anywhere?

No, it's just that this playerlist confuses me and I don't know where to lynch exactly and that frustrates me

[nomnomnom]

I know what you mean. The game only really picked up like a day or 2-3 ago, and we can finally being scumhunting. Add a couple of afk slots, and it's tough.

The worst part is that a lot of players didn't really engage on D1 and this game is gonna be a good example of why it's important to build there

That Korina modkill was devastating for a lot of reasons honestly. Sad that two games in a row I enter are heavily screwed because of a really bad day 1.

[nomnomnom]

Scums tend not to discuss with each other...

[nomnomnom]

well that was a pleasant flip.

Vork's probably town for this one.

[nomnomnom]

nomnom why do you say Vorkuta gets town points for that last one?

Because he's been raving about PMysterious since the beginning of the game and is the driving force behind his lynch and there's no way scum does that especially in a hypothetical last day.

[nomnomnom]

I'm just tempted to vote shos and end today honestly

[nomnomnom]

Not sure what you mean, I just think shos is most likely to flip scum with the remaining players right now.

[nomnomnom]

I guess. Show me evidence of that if there is.

[nomnomnom]

I don't see how that matters in the discussion. The only thing that matters is proving that they're not paired, if that's your intent. Otherwise? It doesn't matter. Shos is scummy as hell and the fact he did not vote on PM makes him all that much scummier.

[nomnomnom]

There were plenty of people who didn't vote PM. Myself included (was really banking on a deadline extension). What makes shos more worthy of a vote today based on that?

I was already scumreading him beforehand so I guess that plays in why I scumread him. That's all I have really. I don't think that voting anyone else than shos is wise of me since I'm not sure about the remaining players.

VOTE: shos

[nomnomnom]

That sounded really bad.

It's ok to look at other players, and reevaluate. It sounds like you're voting shos just to stay consistent.

No, I just vote shos because that's where I'm the most sure.

Also I re-evaluated reads but I guess it's easier to dismiss those just to shade me huh?

[nomnomnom]

That sounded really bad.

It's ok to look at other players, and reevaluate. It sounds like you're voting shos just to stay consistent.

No, I just vote shos because that's where I'm the most sure.

Also I re-evaluated reads but I guess it's easier to dismiss those just to shade me huh?

Read what you wrote as if it came from another person, and tell me what you think. Not your intentions. I honestly want to know what you would think if someone else wrote what you wrote.

I'd probably have a lot of thoughts but honestly this kind of question is hard to answer for me because my reads are mostly more intuition than plain analysis except if I have a good reason to use "logic". It's kind of hard to say how I'd react to that post if written by someone else. It entirely depends on who wrote it honestly.

[nomnomnom]

I still don't know why we're assuming there were cultists in the first place but whatever.

Shos is the lynch today. I honestly don't have much to say or don't really know what to do. Hammering "SHOS IS SCUM LUYCCNUCUNCUNC" is useless so I'm just waiting for it to happen really.

[nomnomnom]

why do you want to lynch cyrus over shos?

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

I want to revisit the other slots, I feel something isn't right but I can't pinpoint it exactly.

[nomnomnom]

Voting me is a really bad vote because I'm not playing at all like I would play scum, but I know that it's empty words coming from me but you can check. I don't play like this as scum. I just have a hard time getting into this game honestly.

I need to rethink Ico and Chick's slots.

[nomnomnom]

Ico you are deadly wrong. The reason I tend to get nightkilled night 1 is because I tend to bring cohesion as town. In this game I guess I wasn't that good at it though and a lot of things frustrated me.

Regardless I'm scum. I just can't be assed lol

[nomnomnom]

You know what I mean, I'm tired lol

[nomnomnom]

again, I know it's not worth coming from my mouth but I'm usually more active as scum, you can check my scumgames to see it.

[nomnomnom]

Well I just unvoted him because I have some doubts on him.

I feel like maybe a scum is in you/chick. What's your read on Chick?

[nomnomnom]

Huh I don't? I just go on intuition right now. Chickadee reads super awkward this game and I have some doubts on your claim and stuff. I guess what you say with your votes on PM is true though. I still do have doubts on chick though.

[nomnomnom]

Chick feels REALLY detached from this game as if she was waiting for endgame that's what I feel right now.

[nomnomnom]

maybe the answer is that none of us are partnered with PM? Maybe?

Maybe chick is scum here.

[nomnomnom]

Honestly think about it, PM was very detached from this game and so is Chick, maybe they saw a bunch of us screaming at each other and what the fuck to do with Drew on the first 2 days so they took the backseat and watched us burn. That makes sense to me.

Shos was much more involved but arguably that was because of me fosing him, so there's room for doubt.

[nomnomnom]

There's also Kelly in the playerlist, what's your read on them? I personally have yet to have a read on that slot, gameplay was very detached and got replaced out as well.

[nomnomnom]

I guess according to that logic I am scum yes

But according to my meta this is pretty much the opposite of what I do as scum so take that as you will.

Also regarding chick, maybe she had that read day 1 but it makes the fact that she didn't place a vote on PM all that more suspicious. Just saying.

[nomnomnom]

I mean I'm pretty much excluding Vorkuta because of how he lead PM's lynch.

Upon further revision it's unlikely that you're scum too because of how you acted regarding PM, so you have some points there.

That leaves me with Cyrus, Kelly, Chick and shos. Kelly and Chick were not on PM's lynch and Cyrus has been acting weird all game although Cyrus is in general a really weird person so I'm unsure about him. Him acting weird is not alignment indicative I believe, so all the options are on the table. For a player like him I feel it's extremely town to have hammered PMysterious. I think I would not be so lenient with a move like this if it came from, say, Vorkuta for example, but here it's a player that plays relatively straightforward so I want to think Cyrus is town.

I think that how Shos is acting today is actually quite townie compared to previous days. I think that it would be really easy for scum him to continue to vote me considering that a lot of people think I can be scum, but he straight up unvoted me to discuss other lynch options so that's really townie. That's why I unvoted.

So that leaves me with Chick and Kelly. Chick is really detached from the game and Kelly is taking the easy path by voting me and recreating the 1v1 situation we had yesterday. I think that with this line of thinking, I kind of want to vote Kelly considering that in this gamestate I am the next mislynch on the horizon and that Kelly is taking the easy path. I know you think otherwise but considering that Gameplay's slot was shaky as hell the slot needed to town up regardless, don't you think?

That's my thoughts on the matter, feel free to comment on that.

[nomnomnom]

So you still want to lynch me? Damn.

It's a bad lynch but I can't stop you I guess. If I'm mindmelding with you, you probably should be reconsidering your position

[nomnomnom]

Ico I'm going to repeat this one last time: I'm not scum. My meta supports this and on top of that I just provided reads that you, yourself, said mirror your own. That's a good sign that you are with another townie.

I think this is where I want to lead a lynch, even though I know you aren't going to vote there most likely VOTE: Chickadee

[nomnomnom]

Vork what happened to your Chick scumread

[nomnomnom]

Haven't been mislynched outside of a LYLO yet so this'll be a first

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Cyrus

If we're going to have a dodgy lynch I'd rather have Cyrus go

[nomnomnom]

We're never going to reach a consensus on Chick and my lynch is bad so I am taking the only move available to me here.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not ignoring it. This gamestate is forcing me to make this vote.

Give me one other person that you want to lynch right now than me, you will not find it. That's why I have to vote Cyrus because he's the weakest player to keep in lylo and you know it.

[nomnomnom]

Ico you forced me to go through this vote when you made it very clear that there was no way I wasn't going to be today's lynch. I have literally no choice but to vote Cyrus considering you will not consider Chick or Kelly which are my two dodgier slots. You're part of why I need to do this.

Now don't be stupid and vote cyrus, you really don't want to bank your game on a dice roll.

[nomnomnom]

sigh

That was a bad lynch.

Please consider that Ico can be a cultist by this point.

[nomnomnom]

it's obvious it's a political vote I shouldn't have to say it, you already know that I have absolutely no choice.

[nomnomnom]

You already know my readslist it hasn't changed from when I last posted it.

Just be mindful that Ico can be cultist that's all.

[nomnomnom]

Also I'm a she

[nomnomnom]

No, I'm town

[nomnomnom]

Now you're in a LYLO with cyrus I hope you're happy

[nomnomnom]

I told ya about chick bros

[nomnomnom]

I actually called Vorkuta scum correctly day 1.

Once again my curse strikes with that modkill lol

[nomnomnom]

Yeah like this is a bastard game, and the role while very annoying if you're a high poster is very much workable so I don't know why you thought you were justified in doing that really. It was just straight up stupid.

Also I'm confused as to why you didn't just replace out, what kind of logic is "I don't like this role and that means nobody will"?

[nomnomnom]

Although I'm unsure what the mod would have done in this situation, awkward to replace a "dead" player lol