Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[bob3141]

This is about 5 hours from deadline. She says she could comprimise and disappears. At taht point I woudl of thought she would have vote tris.

All she can say in her defense is that tris town reads feel genuine. Not tris scum reads or tris her self. In fact all she says is tris reads are arbitory.

Instead votes on aplayer she could of voted at any point in teh day and pushed to l-1. But she didnt. Either pret scum with her or she simply wanted to avoid being involved in a lynch

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually figured you were something like this.

I thought that was your role a while ago. If you noticed, I brought up town having a Roleblocker probably as well, around the time I was pushing you as a babysitter (which I did for WIFOM purposes)

why i started town read you for bit.

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually got from your various claims you were a vet. If you were roleblocker, who have you blocked?

Skitter Night 1

skellen Night 2

skitter was quite rash choice. Made it 10 mins after coming home and seeing skitter had lolhammered again.

Skellen movement all look odd. With us hitting deadline again. I looked at teh players that looked liek they were stalling the game.

what would be the point. You were claiming jk. And you were already clearly aware of a potential roleblocking. No way scum you would have carried out teh night kill. I had to be unexpected

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually got from your various claims you were a vet. If you were roleblocker, who have you blocked?

Skitter Night 1

skellen Night 2

skitter was quite rash choice. Made it 10 mins after coming home and seeing skitter had lolhammered again.

Skellen movement all look odd. With us hitting deadline again. I looked at teh players that looked liek they were stalling the game.

what would be the point. You were claiming jk. And you were already clearly aware of a potential roleblocking. No way scum you would have carried out teh night kill. I had to be unexpected

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

dont know how i managed to mess up quoting again

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

[bob3141]

ah it keeps happening

[bob3141]

response to 2084

what would be the point. You were claiming jk. And you were already clearly aware of a potential roleblocking. No way scum you would have carried out teh night kill. I had to be unexpected

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

[bob3141]

And at that point goign into n2 i was town reading you.

As much as my push now was me wantign to resolve you slot. No better way then to push it that analysis your own push teh next day

[bob3141]

bad garmma

As much as my push now was me wantign to resolve you slot. No better way then to push it that analysis my own push teh next day

[bob3141]

response to 2084

what would be the point. You were claiming jk. And you were already clearly aware of a potential roleblocking. No way scum you would have carried out teh night kill. I had to be unexpected

Hmm, I don’t actually like this that much, especially because I was picking up Skellen PR.

Why didn’t you try to counter me earlier? I don’t believe that’s a direct counter by any means, but most people would.

I wasn’t entirely sure if that’s what you were and I generally was town reading you at the time.

I also thought today you might be acting like you were a different PR and I lost Roleblocker vibes.

wanted scum to think based on your post that i was babysitter using it like a vig. Wanted to keep a bit of uncertainity

[bob3141]

pret if your town.

One of luv, a50, mizzy , ben and drd made the kill

Mizzy claims bodyguard
ben tracker enabler
drd vt
a50 loyal visitor
luv no claim

[bob3141]

So am I the only one who is bothered by the mechanic around loyal Visitor/Tracker Enabler?

I mean let's assume we have a Roleblocker and a Jailkeeper and both Visitor and Tracker could be blocked, let's ignore that the Tracker would have to find the Visitor first or one of them dies despite all these protectives running around. I can buy that scum has to kill the Tracker to neutralize the Visitor, but additionally to that there is a Tracker Enabler that would basically neutralize two town PRs in one strike if scum hits him? That doesn't sound right? Or is that justified as "balance" to the high amount of protectives?

Would certainly explain the tracker enabler. Wouldnt be suprised if its actualy a scum tracker enabler from just looking at the set up.

If we caught the the scum tracker enabler. Then we kill one scum but lose the trackers ability. So we dont have it to catch more.


All comes down to is tacker enabler to balance the other pr. So protectives cant chain protect the tracker. Or scum tracker to ofset the loss of one scum.


The visitor doesnt know that there is doc in set up so cant claim. So it requires the visitor to live and get spotted by the tracker.

[bob3141]

The thing we have to remember pret is either scum or town

Even if he is scum there are two partners out there.

Question is pret down or scum and frankly i dont know

[bob3141]

(Mizzytastic, Skellen, RCEnigma although no need to vote straight away I think all plays not voting should declare a level of intent

[bob3141]

The first wagon.

(Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, skitter30)

minus deaths

(Mizzytastic, Almost50, , , Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, )

BrightEyedFish, skitter30 were night killed

Saladman27, was lynched


If that wagon was scum motivated then why night kill on it. Especially after one nigth kill and a lynch.

me, RCE, ben , skellen and drd. The only players not to lynch tris are all still alive

[bob3141]

The thing we have to remember pret is either scum or town

Even if he is scum there are two partners out there.

Question is pret down or scum and frankly i dont know

Same argument I had when I tried to not vote on Salad and you gave me hell Bob.

Why is it OK for you to not join the town coconscious?

I wasnt trying to get you to vote but to get you to do something. Either push pret harder, vote salad, vote a50 or pick someone new.

I realy do think lynching pret will be mistake. Its the same feeling FT gave me in my last completed town game. That feeling was right then and im not to sure on him. My push on him early has left me with the same assemnt of him i did goign into nigth 2

[bob3141]

RCEnigma , benhalkum , DrDoolittle _______ sald


Mizzytastic, Almost50 _________-- bob3141, skitter30,

Mizzytastic, Almost50, , , Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, ___________ BrightEyedFish Saladman27 , skitter30


Saladman27 - 5 (, benhalkum, , Pretentious, Skellen) - BEF ---bob
Almost50 - 4 (DrDoolittle, Mizzytastic, Lil Uzi Vert, RCEnigma)

Saladman27 - 6 (, benhalkum, , Pretentious, Skellen, Mizzytastic) -BEF , bob

[bob3141]

post above is just raw date. Wish i had more wagosn to analysis but i shall try to solev this game with algebra:-P

[bob3141]

wagons normaly have atleast one scum on them but not always. Just as it impossible for town to avoid wagons its impossible for scum. Unless they spend tehre time vanity voting

[bob3141]

2/3 of those wagons most likely have atleast oen scum. One or two maybe none

but notice which wagon simply hasnt been narrowed down my night kills.

RCEnigma , benhalkum , DrDoolittle. Real fishy

Mizzytastic, Almost50, , , Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, ___________ BrightEyedFish Saladman27 , skitter30 also fishy but for otehr reasons. Why so many kills

[bob3141]

I’m town, and you’re all playing like imma flip red which is gonna let scum completely reset the game after today

I actual think your town at the moment

I do my logic based on everyone flipping both scum and town.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Pret

For better or worse, I think I want this flipped today.

P.S. back to my D1 theory if Pret flips red then DDL, RCE & ben are all clear (DDL was the third wagon and RCE/ben were voting the scum wagon when they really didn't have to)

what happens to this theory if pret flips town

[bob3141]

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

why didnt you claim during day 2 when it looked liek you could easily be the lynch.

If there was a backup tracker or another role wouldnt it be better for you to roleclaim.

Even if you did get night killed it would remove you mislynch tommorrow. After all as you claim your role was largley useless at this point.

And you could always test any one claiming to have tracked you

[bob3141]

this is question for A50 nothing can be gained from you answering it ben

[bob3141]

skellens been playing for deadlien and avoiding wagons. If you look her post are actual quite lacking. Its not fluff but strangley absent in any pertinent content.

[bob3141]

if you look back at the point where rce pushed the belief I was the doc. Skellen acts rather strange about me. Feels very much like probing for lynch with out actual making solid stance. At time she now says she belived rce.

[bob3141]

why didnt you claim during day 2 when it looked liek you could easily be the lynch.

If there was a backup tracker or another role wouldnt it be better for you to roleclaim.

I wasn't in immediate danger of getting lynched, and I wasn't as bored either. It never occurs to me to just claim for the sake of it.

but with it so close to teh deadline didnt you think it could be pertinent. What are you thoughts on almost being on l-1 if not lynched instead of salad

[bob3141]

well atleast if luv ever flips town we know pret is scum.

[bob3141]

I actual hadnt noticed but luv actual hasnt post much at all if anything this day 3.

VOTE: LUV

If luv isnt scum then pret is certainly scum. So those who want pret shoudl still be happy and we get rid of player who is activly lurking.

Has he even pushed reads any where otehr than a50 and maybe pret

[bob3141]

I forgot Skellen was in this game to be honest.

benhalkum
Skellen
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
RCEnigma
DrDolittle

I wanna say 50% of this is the scum team.

Skellen-A50-one of DDL/Ben/LUV
RCE-two of DDL/Luv/Skellen. A50 is possible, but less likely.

I’m beginning to start thinking Ben is lean town, and specifically not scum with RCE. If RCE is scum he was definitely playing in a way to set him up.

If A50 is scum, i can’t see Skellen not being scum. I can kinda see RCE setting up some distancing with Skellen, but i probably need to go deep iso again, probably BEF.

Why is Bob town?

Reading up.

Visitor feels unlikely for ongoing reasons.

I’m VT.

VOTE: Almost50

LUV entire day 3

[bob3141]

VOTE: Pret

This is BS. This guy is not even reading the thread. I already said I targeted BEF TWICE. How could you not have seen me?

And wanna know how you just scum slipped?

You know more than anyone that I pay extra attention when I am scum.

Good try.

Now we have 3 possible lynches (from my PoV):

1- Pretentious (the one I support): If he flips green (yeah, right) then both myself and LUV are confirmed scums. If he flips red that's one down 9and no one is cleared if you know Pret's play well enough)

2- LUV: It thought Pret was bussing but I'm less certain now. However, he did say >I< was bussing, so scum!Pret was probably confident in this flipping red. It may have been a bus to save his own ass, and he found it a good chance to line up my mislynch next still. I'm not hard against it, but it's not my #1 choice.

3- A50 (Ueahm that's me): Knowing I flip green, and unless bob claims to have RB'd me last night, my mere flip proves Pret is BSing scum. Again, this means nothing about LUV, but I'd be sus of LUV & bob after my flip if I were you (again, bob is sus because of how fast he jumped on LUV with no hesitation. Je looked like he was paving the way for Pret to change his claim and get a quick lynch, so both Pret & bob decided to bus LUV for Towncred while they lose practically noting since LUV isn't active enough to pull that infamous quick!hammer trick @LyLo registered under Flavor Leaf & alts Lmt.)

I went on luv as i want to see how it played out. No real risk of quick lynch on LUv as either luv is scum or pret is scum.

[bob3141]

Ben can you read. When did i ever hint vig or vet.

[bob3141]

I can not see how you managed to even think for moment that i was softing vig or vet. When i countless times can outright stop a night kill.

How can vig stop a night kill. If vig kills the scum doing teh nk, the nk still happens.

I said i was not a direct protective. In other words im indirect . How many times did i talk about roleblocking.

[bob3141]

How can anyone for second think im anything other than town. If im not town taht leaves a big hole in teh town pr.

tracker, doc and bg and visitor thing would not be balanced. even if scum have no more pr.

tracker, doc and rb yes but tracker doc bg never

[bob3141]

And ben if you are town that means there is tracker enabler.

So we have tracker that randomly scum have 20% chance of eliminating every night. And that becomes 25% during the second night.

[bob3141]

Ben how are you confirmed?

Your no more confirmed then any other player. Have you got a clear on yourself no. And ben you only ever said one scum and you were so focused you were prepared to let no lynch happen.


Learn what indirect means.


Serously if you are town take a proper look at the game. If you great deduction is to go after the last town pr and teh lurker

[bob3141]

@Bob

Who did you roleblock last night and why?

I roleblocked RCE. Since RCE would be the last person scum would think i would rb. Then if he was scum he would of done the night kill.


Was unlikely to catch scum directly so went to get the closest thing to clear untill we get teh second scum.


Since drd died we can be safe that rce and pret havnt been playign us.

[bob3141]

The drama between a50 and pret felt rather odd. It felt very much at that end point pret was trying to get lynched. As why would he say that only luv visited bef when a50 pressed.

Quite clear that was all quite deliberate on pret part. But cant tell if it was to distance a50 and him or some elaborate set up

[bob3141]

Ben how are you confirmed?

Your no more confirmed then any other player. Have you got a clear on yourself no. And ben you only ever said one scum and you were so focused you were prepared to let no lynch happen.


Learn what indirect means.


Serously if you are town take a proper look at the game. If you great deduction is to go after the last town pr and teh lurker

No more confirmed? You're a complete idiot aren't you? An absolute, bottom of the barrel, window licking idiot. I was focused because I KNEW IT WAS THE RIGHT LYNCH.

Unlike you guys who wanted everyone to gang up on someone because you were hoping they'd flip red.

How'd that go for the town so far?

Get off your high horse and instead of leading everyone to make decisions that favor your thought process, come to a conclusion yourself and tell us why then stick to it. This wishy washy BS can't keep going in this game.. that's to all of you. Maybe if more people stuck with their gut than jumping on wagons because you have annoying pricks like Bob here trying to say you got to agree with the majority, we wouldn't be where we are.

No need to be abusive

And to be quite frank we were in that situation were it was either going to be

no lynch, a50 lynch, salad lynch or your own lynch.

You had 3 options

keep you vote on pret and not push his wagon <<< what you were doing
move your vote to another player
keep your vote and actualy try to get players to move
k

[bob3141]

@Bob

Who did you roleblock last night and why?

I roleblocked RCE. Since RCE would be the last person scum would think i would rb. Then if he was scum he would of done the night kill.


Was unlikely to catch scum directly so went to get the closest thing to clear untill we get teh second scum.


Since drd died we can be safe that rce and pret havnt been playign us.

You what?

Interesting.

What did you doe RCE to come off in this as Bob is lying?

I'm not calling him a liar. I'm just saying of all the slots to rb after pret flipping red I should be the last one, but whatever it's fine, the night play isn't Important.

Hence why scum you would never see it coming.

with drd dead and ben having strop in every thread. That leaves skellen if we are face deep wolf

[bob3141]

And i actual ranked my chances of stopping teh nk quite low. If mizzy is scum until we have caught teh second scum i cant roleblock him. Incase he is town.

As my nk flip will look bad on him if he is town

[bob3141]

im sure skellen is scum just like yesterday. Her posts at end of last day feel artificial as if they were rehearsed


then i think either mizzy or a50 is last scum. With me think mizzy most likely. As a bg claim would be quite effective at stopping me blockign the nk.

[bob3141]

I mean he pushed for A50's lynch most of the day, considering he might not have seen A50 visiting BEF that would make sense. But when it was pretty likely that he would end up as lynch he didn't outed his possible guilty on LUV despite him already claiming but also instead joins bob on voting me, although he knew A50 would have been lying? Yeah, no.

I guess he is at L-1? Then intent to hammer by me.

these were teh post i felt rehersed as if pret goign wrong with teh visits was there for skellen to get town points. And make it look liek he was tring to distance himself and a50

[bob3141]

VOTE: Skellen

[bob3141]

Oh and I've nearly ruled Mizzy out as scum with some of the interactions they had with pret/morality mainly day1/2 with 1 interaction in particular that I can probably make a standalone post around later.

Yep my lynch order out of teh two is a50 then mizzy.


As every time i look at dayone vote movements, it only makes sense if atleast one scum came of the drd wagon.


Today im up for lynching either skellen or a50.

[bob3141]

benhalkum
Saladman27
tris
bob3141
Pretentious
Mizzytastic
Skellen
skitter30
Almost50
RCEnigma
BrightEyedFish
DrDolittle

benhalkum
Saladman27
tris
bob3141
Pretentious
Skellen
skitter30
RCEnigma
DrDolittle

benhalkum
Saladman27
tris
bob3141

Pretentious

Skellen

skitter30

RCEnigma

DrDolittle

benhalkum
Saladman27
tris
bob3141

DrDolittle

benhalkum
Saladman27
tris
bob3141

I guess I would start here.

Luv can you walk us through your proccess of working out who to vote for day one

[bob3141]

I've not read up cos site is being super slow and I'm half awake. If anyone can give me a summary it'll help me get back in the game but I understand why if you don't want to.

If we do mislynch I can think of worse things than me cos at least we know I was truthful about my bodyguard targets then. Honestly I think I should be voting bob until one of us falls over, I can see me not being the target after yesterday but I don't get why he wouldn't be, and cos he seemed to feel fine with my claim until suddenly he didn't and it feels very convenient.

I am fine with your claim but paranoid its a great scum claim by you. If you were scum it would prevent me from ever blocking the night kill. As if you were town and i roleblock you and die. It would give scum your mislynch on silver plater

[bob3141]

Oh and as much i wanted to see who would push the lynch of either me or mizzy based off neither of us dying.

Scum would know my claim is true and if mizzy your town. That means town has a bg. Which means scum trying to kill me would simply kill you. Reducing most players poe down to 3. Which would make game auto for a player they could only kill after the lynch in the last 5.

and if im rating bg right. As half pr like wiki says a backup is.

then

doc 1 weakened although scum would need a role cop to find out
tracker 1 player outside poe claiming enabler. Thus easier for scum to kill
roleblocker 1
bodyguard 0.5 simply redirects teh kill extended teh life of a pr

vs

2 shot jail keeper 0.5

so 3.5-(minus a little) vs 0.5 scum pr

[bob3141]

i dont know to much about balance so was asking if my thinking was right. in post 2355

[bob3141]

luv uou migth as well claim. Were are at l-1 everyone has claimed but you.

You did claim vt but have rowed back from it. So what is your role and why originaly claim vt

[bob3141]

luv what made you chose bef.

Over A50 the player you had been voting day 2 and then voted for day 3.

Seems a bit of an odd choice for you to kill a player you barley mentioned over a player you scum read the day before and teh day after

[bob3141]

Also why not shoot night 3 after the pret lynch. Why leave a player you had been scum reading day 2 and day 3.

Or skellen a player i revealed i had roleblocked during a nigth you claim to have made the only kill.

[bob3141]

Luv if you are a town vig. Then that prety much means scum have another pr as pret claimed you had killed bef n2 during day 3

[bob3141]

Please do not hammer anything until I catch up.

LUV, what does “novice” mean?

n2 is the first night teh ability can be used

[bob3141]

Still not sure on Pret but one thign i am sure on is that i dont think pret is the best lynch for today. Is it realy the best wagon to give us the most extra info.

On pret 2 conditions . i,e one where he is town and teh other scum

If he is scum then there are his 2 scum buddies we could try and lynch today.


And im currently at the view that either one of the day one wagons was on scum or that the scum simply didnt care who was lynched

My gut feeling is that that both pret and DRD wagons have one scum on them. Even if maybe one of teh wagosn was on scum.

If scum is just sitting back. Which would explian teh stalled game state then i do think sald has good chacne of being one.

He realy does need to speak up a fair bit ocne his vla is over

Absolutely bizarre.

So Pret might be scum but let’s scumhunt his buddies from his wagon?

Losing townpoints.

Odd you say i lose town points for trying to hunt scum. Aswell as pulling up two quotes that dont support your own statement on them.

I say i think there is one scum on drd and one scum on pret. Yet you push this to me saying pret is scum and lets not lynch him.

Amrun at any point in those two posts did i at any point make a view on pret being town or scum. ? Yet your hole statement is based on such an assumption.

[bob3141]

Can't say I am that satisfied with bef's response, but I think there is no point in pursuing this if I go by his reads, so I will leave it till I know more.

VOTE: Pretentious

While I townread skitter for her interactions with him I can't shake off the suspicion that he is slightly manipulative in that conversation, like his focus in trying to win skitter over who is also the most charismatic person on his wagon (he couldn't probably make RCE move anyway). That and these multiple emphases that he is town, it rubs me the wrong way like he

wants

to establish this mindset casually.

Then again his oberservation on A50 is quite townie imo. Ugh, that guy drives me nuts.

I will also pay attention on tris while rereading today, I think that's someone I could compromise onto. Her voting behaviour comes off as pretty arbitrarily, although it only pinged strongly when she moved on to bef, to bob and then back to A50. That was a weird sequence. However I also thought that her townreads came off rather naturally.

This wagon was dying and he tried to revive it. Townpoints.

At this point, I still like A50/Bob scumteam but I have a long way to go.

My predecessor’s actions baffle me.

If she was trying to revive it why only intervene after it had prety much died. Why wait for it to drop back down to l-3 before voting. And then just sit on it and at no point actual push a case for pret being scum.

Why not vote ealier when it was still at l-2. When skitter was open to voting for pret and it was clear i would voted pret that day over any tris lynch.

[bob3141]

I’m thinking if I should claim.

Doesn't matter if you do. Your credibility is as shot as Pret's was.

luv uou migth as well claim. Were are at l-1 everyone has claimed but you.

You did claim vt but have rowed back from it. So what is your role and why originaly claim vt

I’m a novice vigilante. I shot BEF.

I don't believe this at all. This would mean there was no mafia kill during that night? Just a vig kill?


I call HUGE bs.

prety much means if luv is a vig then skellen made the night kill.

Either skellen is scum or luv.

As night 2 i cant see scum not making a nk

[bob3141]

as n2 i roleblocked skellen. So if luv is a town vig then skellen is looking like scum making nk that got roleblocked

or

scum simply fake claiming a pr

[bob3141]

we also have the issue that an active vig undermines any clear i could get. Although luv would still be limited by which targets he could justify targeting

And at worse a town luv does prove skellen is scum. And if he is scum we only have one scum left and i can start clearing

I agree that today is between skellen and luv

[bob3141]

I was just aiming for mislynch bait. I didn’t want to shoot a strong player only for him or her to flip town and deal with the backlash. I didn’t shoot anyone last night because Pret flip made it hard to figure out who was scum with him.

but there wasnt much talk about lynching bef?

surely wouldnt you have shot pret or a50. They migth be strong players when town but they were all likley next day lynchs.

VOTE: Luv

if luv is scum i will roleblock either skellen or a50. who ever of the two the rest of the town thinks best.

[bob3141]

if luv is lynched before anyone says. i will rb skellen if luv is scum.

skellen if no one says

[bob3141]

i roleblocked a50.

[bob3141]

n1 skitter
n2 skellen
n3 rce
n4 a50

[bob3141]

yep that was only if luv flipped scum. I said it to try and bluff the scum into think i would rb skellen if luv didnt flip scum.

VOTE: Skellen

[bob3141]

That said, I am not sure what to make out of the lack of nk last night yet. I am inclined to say that A50 is imo the safest lynch today, in case I am wrong on bob. My only problem with scum!bob is that I don't know why they wouldn't kill Amrun or RCE off as with three votes needed to lynch it is way easier to pull the final mislynch off.

On another note why am I scum for me "waffling" about Pret? Was it insincere? What did scum!me gain from it? What would I have hoped to achieve with that? What actually stopped me from hard defending Pret and pushing elsewhere or bussing Pret or A50?

I do find it insincere, yes. Early on it was a stronger bus, which I noted, only to crumble as it became more and MORE obvious he was scum. It looked like you were trying to play both sides of the fence, which makes sense since at times it looked inevitable he would die, and at others like he might be saved.

And WIFOM it is, but Pret said he wasn’t responsible for the BEF kill and it seemed genuine.

I disagree about this, I always gave reasons why I had my problems with settling on Pret. My insecurity around Pret is if anything rather a personality trait than something ai. Especially because it became more and more obvious he was scum there was no reason not to bus. One true quote by Pret on D3 is "Read the gamestate", it was pretty damn clear that he would have gone down ultimately at D3 either way, playing both sides makes as scum no sense. Either you adapt to the incoming Pret lynch or you actively try hard to push elsewhere to prevent it. I did neither and as you can see I wouldn't have achieved anything with it as scum. It would just be dumb and never ever a scum team would be unprepared for an incoming Pret lynch.

Can you explain your timings though. When you look at the timing of your pret vote day one and salad vote day two. The timings are so off. How i found you.

You vote pret day one after the wagon has already dissipated. With no actual push on him.

Tris is at l-2. A wagon that does not have pret on it. The alternative lynch and the player activly pressuring skitter to vote tris.

If your vote was genuine there would of been an actual push on pret. And it woudl have been earlier. Instead you have your vote loitering on bef in that crucial time.


Then you have your salad vote. You are on him when he is at 3 votes but you jump on ben as soon as he votes salad. Only then to jump back on him when salad gets to l-3. All the whiel you never actual try and question him. You just keep using it to talk about how he is scum with pret.

1574 You talk about how you are trying to probe pret. Yet you rejoing the salad wagon when you had the choice to have voted a50. Even though in post 1674 you say he is trying to avoid pret. In other words you are saying a50 and pret are partners. Yet you lynch the player you said you partly voted for to probe pret whom you think is partnered with A50. And you dont vote A50. You never voted for pret that day.

But you go from saying there partners to defending him in the same post. So we have you not once directly trying to interact with salad yet happy to rejoin it. While your are defending the player that is the alternative lynch.


You say you dont like those voting for salad yet you still vote for him.

And your response to mizzy questioning of you voting for ben. Is that salad wasnt going through so you voted ben. Other than giving the reason you originaly voted sald to prob vet, you only say salad lynch wasnt going anywhere. You then go on about a50 and pret.

[bob3141]

If you believe bob, it’s A50/Skellen scum team.

Skellen, is bob scum?

Yes, I think so. I mean I know I am town and considering that LUV actually killed BEF I know that the lack of scum kill due to bob's roleblock is nonsense. The only options that are viable from my point of view are as I said that they no killed to give Pret some town cred for the next day and use the roleblocks and jk shot to push mislynches (which failed due to LUV's shot). Or scum and LUV both targeted BEF, but what were the odds that both scum and Vig target such an unlikely nk target as BEF at the same time? I am not really sure if I should believe that.

Anyway regarding bob I still think it's odd he has never been targeted by nk or never got even pushed for a lynch by scum despite Pret clearly recognizing bob as protective PR early.

And his progression on Pret is simply weird and doesn't add up. I mean you said it yourself, after the Doc flip and with your Bodyguard knowledge you instantly thought of Pret as scum. He did so too, he instantly came up with a scum Jailkeeper on D1 (there is also the fact that he first spoke about Doc and Jailkeeper on D1, which is still weird), but ultimately went for DDL, who became the counterwagon to Pret in the end before tris happened.

Then on D2 he went against Pret and later he faded slowly away and left Pret and ended up on Saladman, which is also not so clear why as he said shortly before voting Saladman that he is sure that between your slot and A50 definitely is scum with leaning town on you. Yet he didn't went for A50, as A50 was 4:2 in lead. No specific reason why he preferred Saladman over A50.

On D3 repeat, some skirmish with Pret, voting him, then he slowly drifts into another direction with pushing me. He even townread Pret after the massclaim and actually went for LUV after Pret's JOAT claim with the 1-shot Roleblock. That doesn't feel natural for someone that supposedly would be a Roleblocker, he never seriously pushed his Jailkeeper counterpart but instead always ended up on the same wagons or the counterwagons.

Skellen your arguement for me not being nk being odd is quite flawed.

We have n1 a skitter
N2- We then have no scum night kill. As luv claimed that it was him who killed bef.
day 3 mizzy claims bg.
You try and night kill me skellen all you would have ended up doing is killing mizzy.

come night 4 the bg is still alive and I roleblock A50 preventing a the scum kill for the second time.

The only point you could of killed me was night 1 and are you real saying that i am higher priority kill then skitter?



Skellen you are you real finding it weird i woudl talk about a town doc and scum jailkeeper. Based on the setup in the last game i played. Where i was a scum 2 shot jailkeeper and town had a doc. And putting myself in position that if I die I can be safe in the knowledge that it condems pret. Oh and why do you think its weird i would first talk about a doc skellen?

The you go on about A50 a player you defended at end of day 2 when he was teh alterntaive lynch. You say A50 was the logical lynch based on my saying that one mizzy and a50 is scum based on VCA. Yet you also ignor my vca that says one of the voters on the pret wagon is scum. Originaly i thought it was salad but when he flipped town it solved the pret wagon for me.

You had RCE, Drd and ben as likely town. Salad flipped town. Leaving only you. And when i analysed you after the salad lynch you stuck out big time.

Then you go on that after i fail to get any momentum on one of my two scum reads that i push the other one i think is scum. Only thing left was who was your partner. Was it luv was it A50.

Oh and my luv vote was infact a trap for pret. If pret followed my vote on to luv i know for sure he is scum. And infact force his own lynch.

[bob3141]

rce, drd and ben would all vote pret

a50 would be forced to vote vote pret even if he was scum. Or reveal himself to be fake claiming.

And then there is my vote. . By the next day pret will be lynched.

[bob3141]

Bob: why Skellen over A50?

Because we cant lynch both at the same time. Ive blocked both making a night kill so i know they are both scum. So I dont mind which order we lynch them in.

[bob3141]

Bob: why Skellen over A50?

Because we cant lynch both at the same time. Ive blocked both making a night kill so i know they are both scum. So I dont mind which order we lynch them in.

Can you go over your night actions again and the order?

Do you think scum would make a no kill gambit - if so - which night?

Well night 1 i roleblocked in rather hasty move. Came back and saw skitter had lolhammered another player

N2 i releblocked skellen as I scum read him after the salad lynch. As that point from reading day one wagons i was left with belief that atleast one scum had bussed him at one point. One thing ive learnt is even if they dont aim to scum always end up on wagons.

N3 roleblocking of RCe was simply to cover the bases as i was sure the 2 remainign scum were in luv, a50 and skellen. With out side chance of your slot. If there was kill then it would confirm my beleif that rce. I made it after intial deciding to rb luv that night but decided there would be little value. So i went with rce to confirm my beleif that rce and ben were town. (if rce was scum i would have expected him to do teh nigthkill and i couldnt see ben being scum if rce was town. In effect hemming in scum as they couldnt Nk me before your slot. As they woudl first need to remove rce and mizzy. So i have chances to stop teh night kill when my role is stongest. With few players alive and 33% raw chance nigth 4. Night 5 50%.

N4 with luv flip and a50 scummy hammer. Marked him as the last scum. I pushed rb skellen on the condition if luv flipped scum. If luv wasnt scum I expected it to bluff scum into having skellen scum partner to do teh kill. As they woudl expect me to rb skellen again.



If they did a no kill n2 it would prob have been for prets benifit. As i cant see them not making a nightkill N4 as i would have 2/3 raw chance to target scum. And 100% chance if your slot isnt scum. Even then a a scum you would know i have 50% chance of rb his partner. And then 50% chance to rescue the game night 5 anyway. So low chance for any benifit.

[bob3141]

So if your amurm if you are in fact town as i beleive i cant see scum not trying no Nk night 4 ever.

[bob3141]

Everyone migth aswell say were they are. The two i want to lynch for obvous reasons are skellen and A50.

[bob3141]

Which ever one we lynch i will roleblock the opposite one tonight.

[bob3141]

From your pov he's scum I'm pretty sure.

??? You saw MY PoV??

Man, I am suspecting AMRUN (MIZZY slot) to have faked their claim in order to never be blocked. That's why the RB was never shot at. Now a No-Kill gambit works perfectly because the blocked player is NEVER Amrun anyway. That's my theory. And looking back at D1 I said either Mizzy OR bob. They canNOT be scum together. So, I am thinking Skellen + Amrun here, and -ironically- they're the two voting me right now. It's like a reverse OMGUS. I can see how it may look like I am SRing those who vote me, except it's been on record that I SR them from before AND that I am still going by my propositions from Days 1/2.

Now tell me about my own PoV that should make me SR bob here.

But why would scum make a claim when they know they would be locked with a town power role that onyl gets stronger as the days go by. It migth avoid nk roleblocks but if they get dropped to one scum. Although i might be able to stop the nk i still produce clears each night.

[bob3141]

And why would mizzy/amrum not perform a night kill night 5. For amrum to be scum he has to be scum with either you or skellen. Any false guility from scum not peforming a night kill has an equal chance to infact fall on the scum partner. As for you to be town a50, skellen must be scum. So from you POV what is the advantage of scum amrum not making a NK when it might simply have rb his partner anyway

[bob3141]

What i was pointing out is that a nigth 5 kill leaves it 2 scum and 5 town. So if scum can get mislynch to go through they win. However, with 6 left alive a mislynch result it infact goes to night. Which gives me 50% chance of stopping any nigth kill. As from my pov if we mislynched in a50, skellen and amrum it would be obvouse who is scum and i would have 50% of picking teh one with teh night kill.

Thus no advantage to scum not perform a kill during nigth 5. First they would 50% chance of simply facing a false guilty and if I rb one of teh 3 who isnt scum. Then still 50% chance of pulling the game back from defeat. Confirming myself and getting hard guilty. Causing scum to be lynched and the last scum to be rb.

So even if i were to get false guility scum would only have 50% win chance on the 50% chance of me getting false guilty. So then that leaves teh question whats better a scum kill on player like RCE who they cant even attempt to push. Or a no kill.

[bob3141]

A50 in fact form your POV to be town scum would have had to beleive there position is so bad that a outlier result benifits them. That not killing a player when i cant get a clear is better than risking a) scum lynch due to false guility or b) a mislynch that has 50% chance of losing the game or winning teh game for scum.

[bob3141]

VOTE: A50

[bob3141]

So what role are you

[bob3141]

Are you saying your lynch disables my role

[bob3141]

Suprised no one spotted that skellen could never be scum with a50 being a roleblock enabler


when i switched from skellen to a50. I figured out it was ben and a50.

[bob3141]

you have roleblocker enabler. key bit is enabler. who else claimed enabler and who back him up. ben and pret.

skellens was beign poe. So if skellen was scum she woudl have a50 do kill. as damage limitation. So either scum outside anyoen poe or a50 would do the kill.

who was always trying to direct my action n3 and n4. ben

who when given two choices of salad and a50. choose teh one that wasnt scum.

who wanted skellen even though a50 was his strongest scum read. ben

who foudn scum pret and a50 with next to scum hunting. ben. Thus he already knew who scum were

[bob3141]

i got teh rigth solve during teh night but alas he did away with me. So i was in dead thread looking on seeing a slow motion car crash i helped to build lol

[bob3141]

and when i read teh thread during the night 5 or 6 was it.

I found it really funny. How could pret spend 3 days tellign us who teh scum was and not oen of us notice. After i spotted those things I saw pret trolling us