Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[bob3141]

VOTE: Lil

For being the oen that made teh post before this one

[bob3141]

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

Even if you are are jailkeeper. Doesn't make us any closer to knowing if you are a scum jailkeeper or a town jailkeeper.

I'm inclined to think your a scum jailkeeper. As why would you roleclaim so early when your not even at l-2. Last vote count only puts you at 3 votes. Plus I have see scum have jailkeeper in mini I played a month ago. So I know it's possible.

[bob3141]

Will try and get caught up a bit today. Some will have to be done tommorrow.

The site going funny the last few days was a pain

[bob3141]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him


Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

[bob3141]

Saladman27 there is a difference between being ambivalent about a players claim and scum reading a player over it.

[bob3141]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him


Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

are you kidding lol. look at the 3 posts before the post you linked.

But did you really DrD. As your 3 posts before trying to get BEF to join were prety hollow.

Post one is you saying vote morty as another player is voting morty.

Post two is just you saying look at another players prevous game. Even if i didnt know you were refering to Morty i would still think that its hollow. As what were you hoping to acheive. What in that game is of value.


Post three again although mentioned has realy nothing in it.

part one just quotes a fluff post. Part 2 a player simply states he hasnt played scum on that account for years. Part 3 two players voting for him. Both quotes of which are either blank or near blank.

So nothing that would ential why you personly would scum read morty. Only that others are.

[bob3141]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him

Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

Can you explain your progression on this? Like DDL was already doing this recruiting for the Morality wagon thing when you were around and suspecting Morality to be a scum Jailkeeper. Even although I am aware of the out due to site performance issues.

If DDL is a scum sheep what does it mean for your read on Morality? As I said last time you were around you were inclined to think he was scum. What has changed our opinion on him?

My opinion on him realy hasnt changed. And that is infact your role

[bob3141]

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

godforbid im actually reading, but this was the post that pinged the first time, and is pinging again.

why do you want to claim bp when you stop a kill?

hey morality if you give me a satisfactory answer here I won't vote for u today

I didn’t want to have to claim my real role, so I wanted to WIFOM scum with a BP claim by having them not know if I stopped a kill, and if they thought i stopped a kill, they’d have to shoot a claimed 1-shot BP. The miller was there because I had to make it seem obviously fake and jokey.

And then I also wouldn’t know if I protected someone from a kill, or blocked, and neither would they have, so was hoping I could catch out something eventually.

Morality can you confirm that jailkeeper is infact 100% your role. And that it is infact a serous claim

[bob3141]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him

Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

Can you explain your progression on this? Like DDL was already doing this recruiting for the Morality wagon thing when you were around and suspecting Morality to be a scum Jailkeeper. Even although I am aware of the out due to site performance issues.

If DDL is a scum sheep what does it mean for your read on Morality? As I said last time you were around you were inclined to think he was scum. What has changed our opinion on him?

My opinion on him realy hasnt changed. And that is infact your role

no wonder my post didnt show up. I finished it off in the wrong reply and pressed sumbit with out checking lol.

My opinion on him realy hasnt changed. I dont beleive his roleclaim.



There are two outcomes on any morality flip. One that he is scum and one that he is town.

For both possible outcomes DrD vote looks rather hollow and sheepy. All depends on if he is scum wanting to get lynch through or scum sheeping his partners wagon.


But for now i dont like lynching roleclaims day one. If he surives to day 2 i cant see morality not beign scum. As i cant see town jailkeeper and town doc both being in this game. 2 protectives for 13 player game. doesnt look likely

Last game i played it was town doc and scum jailkeeper in 12 player game.

[bob3141]

Is your read like the one in our last game

[bob3141]

Just a question for skitter. If you thought I was scum after i posted my belief that Drd is scum. What has changed that leaves you to beleive drd is scum

Do you think we are both scum now or that DrD is scum and im not?

[bob3141]

Its the weekend so im now starting to get fully caught up on the posts before wedsday. I cant see anything in moralitys post other than fluff and him talking about himself.

I cant realy see him trying to sort other players at all.

On top of the nature of morts roleclaims that lead me to leave the claim was false. And at most him being scum jailkeeper. I just cant see a town jailkeeper acting liek that. No attempt as i can see to try and find who is worth protecting even if it means roleblocking them too. Or who has high scum equity that could be roleblocked by being jailed. Either stopping a kill or scum ability that way.

[bob3141]

I always am right about the scum in the end But always with pleanty of twists and turns

[bob3141]

im quickly skimming the thread and will most likely work on my catchup during lunch/class but i did see this:

- his opening push on salad was shallow and bad
- he likes playing town and tends to avoid posting as scum. Like town!him enjoys catching up and i think would have done it last night, over complaining over how many pages were produced. Scum!him feels catching up is a chore, and this is the attitude i see in 278

Pedit: @luv, regarding vex

1) push on salad was just because i tried metaing everyone before the game started, gave up when i got to tris and saw like 10+ games id need to read over and decided to do homework instead. salad from what i saw was a weaker player and would probably alignment spew from an early push.
2a) under vex, yes i prefer town over scum. as korina, i prefer scum over town. its a semantics argument on why and ill explain it post-game if anyones interested.
2b) the argument for activity for vex is kinda true, kinda not. i know i share some traits between korina and vex which i cant really help, (namely high posting), however, recently (newbie 1949, the game you modded), you saw that i was posting a lot as scum, esp in the scum pt.
2c) i do enjoy catching up, however, like 20+ pages over the span of 48hrs when i cant read any of it due to site lag, much less login to vex to begin with just demotivates me from trying. also, with lag and the fact that my fall break is today, and i have a couple of papers due, i really didnt wanna bother with catching up right then. im happy to try to do it later today because im on break and i got nothing due tho

I dont know why but there is just something about this post. Feels a bit comradery.

[bob3141]

It just feels a little fake. Looks a little like going through the motions

[bob3141]

im quickly skimming the thread and will most likely work on my catchup during lunch/class but i did see this:

- his opening push on salad was shallow and bad
- he likes playing town and tends to avoid posting as scum. Like town!him enjoys catching up and i think would have done it last night, over complaining over how many pages were produced. Scum!him feels catching up is a chore, and this is the attitude i see in 278

Pedit: @luv, regarding vex

1) push on salad was just because i tried metaing everyone before the game started, gave up when i got to tris and saw like 10+ games id need to read over and decided to do homework instead. salad from what i saw was a weaker player and would probably alignment spew from an early push.
2a) under vex, yes i prefer town over scum. as korina, i prefer scum over town. its a semantics argument on why and ill explain it post-game if anyones interested.
2b) the argument for activity for vex is kinda true, kinda not. i know i share some traits between korina and vex which i cant really help, (namely high posting), however, recently (newbie 1949, the game you modded), you saw that i was posting a lot as scum, esp in the scum pt.
2c) i do enjoy catching up, however, like 20+ pages over the span of 48hrs when i cant read any of it due to site lag, much less login to vex to begin with just demotivates me from trying. also, with lag and the fact that my fall break is today, and i have a couple of papers due, i really didnt wanna bother with catching up right then. im happy to try to do it later today because im on break and i got nothing due tho

I dont know why but there is just something about this post. Feels a bit comradery.

The thing that pinged me about this post is rather that before actually catching up he still went back to respond to a post to defend/justify himself as first priority. I am not feeling the comradery here though?

The biggest bit for me is vex response. Would have to look at skitters further interactions with him to see if the extra bit im seeing is in fact there.

[bob3141]

skitter might be trying to set me up for a counterwagon vs morality

what makes you think that scum could be setting you up as a counter wagon other than the simple fact you think formly morality was scum.


what about the different votes currently you makes you think that some of them are scum as well as those votes being a deliberate push to create a counter wagon. Rather either all town or a mixture simply pushing you. With scum simply pushing two different wagons at the same time.

As I find it odd that your connecting votes on you with the morality wagon at that time. Trying to portray it as 1v1

[bob3141]

I dont understand why you're townreading ddl here

I'm pretty sure I have a 0% read rate on DDL and it's best if I don't let conf bias get in the way on D1. I'm not opposed to a DDL lynch if it happens but I just don't have the feeling I can contribute any read besides just sheeping someone.

Feels a little liek an exuse.

Even if you think they are bad what are you best reads

[bob3141]

A50 that logic you just used would ultimately mean you are saying skitter must be scum.

Do you think skitter is scum or town?

As if we follow your two threads it leaves two players you and skitter for any further scum.

[bob3141]

lol counted up wrong.

forgot we werent at 11 yet. Forgot luv was even playing.

My question again but corrected

by your logic your sayign atleast one of skitter, luv and skellen must be scum. If not more

Who out of those do you scum read

[bob3141]

Wait! I thing I get it. You misread my post as saying one scum is voting ANYONE. I said one scum on the other two.. the non-scum who had 2 votes on them.

oh do you mean one scum on each of the other 2 wagons instead of just one out of the six.

[bob3141]

Now, do you think this explains anything to you?

i think so. i'll take your (and RCE's) word for it.
VOTE: bob

Now here I was think you were teh one player I was sure on a read.


What is your case behind your vote one me. As before this I dont think you even mentioned me

[bob3141]

VOTE: PretVOTE:

No way your JK. Well certaily not a town one.

Do you realy think a jailkeeper fits in with tris doc flip.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Pret

[bob3141]

Although you went and lynched my strongest town read. dont get why players ended up lynching her. As although she started throwing her vote aroud her responses look very genuine

I find it interesting that almost everyone drd moved to tris and only one one from pret and pret still had 4 on him.

[bob3141]

My disbelief in morality claim comes from 3 areas

One - I recently played a game where in was a scum jailkeeper. With town having a doc. That was a 12 player game with 3 mafia. In that game we also tried to claim like what pret has done in the opening posts of day 2 that there was

two- mort didnt act like some looking either who to protect or who to roleblock. More like scum fishing for any town roles that could either protect or block their actions. I could see town doc and town roleblocker fitting together in this game but not jailkeeper and doc.

And town doesnt need a a kill for scum to get JK. game i was JK town had no kill. And teh mod simply felt like making the role JK over just a roleblocker.

three-

[bob3141]

5th or sixth i think.

[bob3141]

i never insistence that was a protective outside of morts claim. Only that if someone else flips a doc that his spot would be taken. Why I didnt want to lynch him day one but with a flipped doc. To me it means he cant be jk without this game being very town sided

[bob3141]

Not sure where you got where you got that i was hinting that i could prevent a night kill by protecting a player that i visit

[bob3141]

Mizzy i dont get where you get That i said there must be doc. Instead of that a jk and doc in this game would be mutualy exclusive

a doc is flipped. Therefore pret/mort can not be a jailkeeper.

[bob3141]

@bob have you ever rolled a town PR in previous games and did you crumb it in some way? Have you done it to set up a fake claim as scum?

This just looks to me like outright role fishing. Not even subtle

[bob3141]

Below are the wagons from yesterday minus players that are confirmed town (i.e.dead) and minus me who i know is town (analysis from my view point)

Mizzytastic - 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
Pretentious - 5 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, Saladman27, DrDoolittle, BrightEyedFish)
DrDolittle - 2 (x, x)
Korina - 2 (x, Mizzytastic)
benhalkum - 1 (Pretentious)

Pretentious - 4 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle, Skellen)
DrDolittle - 1 (x)
tris - 7 (Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, x)
Almost50 - 1 (x)


Pretentious - 4 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, Saladman27, DrDoolittle)
DrDolittle - 4 (x, x, Mizzytastic, Almost50)
benhalkum - 2 (Pretentious, BrightEyedFish)
bob3141 - 2 (Lil Uzi Vert, x)
BrightEyedFish - 1 (Skellen)

[bob3141]

Makes a little more sense I just didn't think it was worded that way.

You just got to look at it from the right angle. Town having a jk keeper adds to mnay chances for the town to block a nigth kill. Either through direct protection or a player stopping a nk by visiting the scum that carries it out. A JK keep does both. So we would have to many chances to stop a night kill if mort is a town jk

[bob3141]

Below are the wagons from yesterday minus players that are confirmed town (i.e.dead) and minus me who i know is town (analysis from my view point)

Mizzytastic - 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
Pretentious - 5 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, Saladman27, DrDoolittle, BrightEyedFish)
DrDolittle - 2 (x, x)
Korina - 2 (x, Mizzytastic)
benhalkum - 1 (Pretentious)

Pretentious - 4 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle, Skellen)
DrDolittle - 1 (x)
tris - 7 (Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, x)
Almost50 - 1 (x)


Pretentious - 4 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, Saladman27, DrDoolittle)
DrDolittle - 4 (x, x, Mizzytastic, Almost50)
benhalkum - 2 (Pretentious, BrightEyedFish)
bob3141 - 2 (Lil Uzi Vert, x)
BrightEyedFish - 1 (Skellen)

currently im reading skellen and RCE as town. and Drd intereactions with teh tris wagon (i.e. is rejection of the push there) leaves me think he is town too. That leaves

Mizzytastic - 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
Pretentious - 5 (t, benhalkum, Saladman27, t, BrightEyedFish)
DrDolittle - 2 (x, x)
Korina - 2 (x, Mizzytastic)
benhalkum - 1 (Pretentious)

Pretentious - 4 (t, benhalkum, t, t)
DrDolittle - 1 (x)
tris - 7 (Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, x)
Almost50 - 1 (x)


Pretentious - 4 (t, benhalkum, Saladman27, t)
DrDolittle - 4 (x, x, Mizzytastic, Almost50)
benhalkum - 2 (Pretentious, BrightEyedFish)
bob3141 - 2 (Lil Uzi Vert, x)
BrightEyedFish - 1 (t

[bob3141]

Now looking at the vote counts we can see salad moved from pret to tris even though there was appetite for pret lynch. SKitter voted him for bit and and skeelen later made it back to 4.

If he had stayed on it would have ended up l-1 for pret who was a way better lynch than tris.

Salad why did you swap from pret to tris?

[bob3141]

I would definitely flashwagon tris if feasible. *shrug* I guess some one has to start it.

VOTE: tris

Anyone gonna join me?

why flash wagon tris over pret?

You said you couldnt see you vote moving off drd unless it was to comprimise to avoid no lynch. yet you start a hoel new wagon over pret and teh stallled DRD wagon. That i now think scum tried to use as counter wagon after me and skitter probed there.

You even said you couldnt see your vote moving of drd unless it was to avoid a no lynch. If you though drd was scum wouldnt you have left your vote rather than moving to tris.

[bob3141]

Now based on my thoughts so far. If scum have teh usual 3 scum. That means if im right on those 3 town reads straight away atleast 2 scum atleast must be on tris wagon.

Added to teh fact it was fast. And teh fact skellen and rce come off very townie and DRD last few days look very genunine in the last two days.


My gut is saying that scum jumped on drd wagon after it got two votes from two town players. Me and skitter. As counter wagon to mort. And when that failed they went else where.


Now are both mizzy and a50 scum or just one

[bob3141]

I said unless something drastic happened. I scum read tris. Skitter moved off DDL and was open to a tris wagon, I considered that drastic. At the time the other option was pretentious who was the compromisiest of compromises.

So what made you scum read tris then. Over mort?


She look very townie to me in fact the most townie. Hence my suprise when she did her vote on me with no real reason. But you all still voted for when her response looked very gunine.

I struggle to see how any scum read on her could be anything but forced. I couldnt imagine maybe players null reading her but not scum reading her enough to flash wagon or to heavily push that player tyo be teh focus. Like how both you and pret were both pushign a narative of her beign scum

[bob3141]

I could imagine maybe players < that bit corrected. was meant be could not couldnt

[bob3141]

A50 if a vig shot skitter than why only the one night kill. It quite bit of speculation there on role we have no evidence for beign present. And if there were only scum would be aware if they didnt perform a night kill as a gambit

If we do have vig then why would you want any pr to out themselves. If some does claim vig what would it prove?


On side note is me or are town lolhammer common of late. Last game I was in we had 3 different town players lol hammers.

[bob3141]

What's your take on LUVs vote on the tris wagon. Based on your current line it seems that'd be worth poking at too.

I dont know how to read LUV as I always get the impression he only half heartedly plays when town. Never played a game with him as scum.

[bob3141]

Again why only one kill

Prets claim is clearly false. But even if players had visited skitter because they thought he was scum inorder to roleblock him. We still only had one NK. Pret claims jk so why was skitter still killed. As thats who pret claims to have visited.

If skitter was killed by vig. why wasnt pret killed. As if he wasnt scum then scum would of killed tried to kill a strong town player that had claimed jk.

why would scum avoid a pret nk if they didnt perform a skitter kill

[bob3141]

There’s probably a strongman

It’s obvious who I targeted and he should have known from the very beginning I was gonna target him.

Shall I claim it now or wait

Thats if im reading this right

He claims there is a strongman. Thus some must have still died

If he had blocked a kill he wouldnt be talking about a strongman

[bob3141]

Wait! It seems like 1008 is still the last post from Pretentious, and I don't see him claiming his target yet. What am I missing?

I think i miss read his post. Just relised he says him not her.

I assumed the claim meant he had claimed to have visited skitter and a kill and she had still be killed


As there is no why a player roleblocking a person would know there was a strongman. As if that player was scum you dont know if they simply didnt perform a kill.

[bob3141]

By my shitty deduction, I’m guessing there’s a ninja in scum team.

Also: New Avatar

what makes you think that

[bob3141]

Cant beleive she lolhammered again. She lolhammered as town last game i played with her aswell.

[bob3141]

Was still a full doctor just with a few restrictions. Tris could still protect a person every night. Just not the same two days in a row

And i dont think even not full jk fits in this game. Just reminds me of teh set up were scum had a 2 shot jk and town a doc.

[bob3141]

pret how would your suggestion not be very town sided.

5 and half town pr vs 2 one shot abilities

Just looks your inventing roles to just try and fit yours in

[bob3141]

Was still a full doctor just with a few restrictions. Tris could still protect a person every night. Just not the same two days in a row

And i dont think even not full jk fits in this game. Just reminds me of teh set up were scum had a 2 shot jk and town a doc.

Why would I ever claim JK as scum there?

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum.

If you’re trying to push a scum case on me, don’t push it like I’m a JK because I can give you all my 8 scum wins this year alone, and you’ll see not a single one of them do I claim my actual role.

I am the fake claim god.

So you dont claim your real role as scum. That does not preclude you being scum and fake claiming jk

[bob3141]

Pret are you claiming town could have 3 goes at stopping a a nk. Seems why to op for town for me

[bob3141]

We have a confirmed doc. So thats one direct protection.

Are you claiming taht town during one night could have either 3 goes at direct protection or one go at direct and up to two goes at stopping a kill from blocking the player performing it

with town ahve 3 of

doc
roleblocker
rolestopper
bodygaurd
babysitter

[bob3141]

missed jk at teh end

[bob3141]

so how do you know there are 2 plus protectives

[bob3141]

So if you are town why do you think scum didnt kill you

[bob3141]

just for reference what does gated actual entail. Ive seen it spoken about a few times but its not in teh wiki

[bob3141]

ah so its a general term. for some of teh different modifier in teh wiki

[bob3141]

One of Mizzy/Bob have scum in them, Bob’s interaction with me seemed much more genuine than Mizzy’s.

VOTE: Mizzy

Couple that in with the fact he was defending me all day yesterday, but was specifically willing to compromise, this is likely scum pandering.

on this i actualy i agree.

Currently i think mizzy is scum in both conditions of you being scum or town

[bob3141]

One of Mizzy/Bob have scum in them, Bob’s interaction with me seemed much more genuine than Mizzy’s.

VOTE: Mizzy

Couple that in with the fact he was defending me all day yesterday, but was specifically willing to compromise, this is likely scum pandering.

on this i actualy i agree.

Currently i think mizzy is scum in both conditions of you being scum or town

Why aren't you voting me then?

If in game of mafia a player could vote for 3 different players at once, I woudl be.

I find your question quite odd

[bob3141]

Mechanically if he's not lynched do scum leave jk!pret alive hoping he misses and gets lynched tomorrow? Or is it too risky? I know night spec usually bad but it seems important to the argument here

This just sticks out to me need to check something

[bob3141]

I started the tris wagon, cos skitter said she didn't feel ddl anymore and at that point I didn't want to vote you

so then why tris at that point. Why not a50 as lookign back vex was scum read of yours

we also have ben listed by you.

[bob3141]

mizzy if your happy. We can always get rid of scum you first.

VOTE: Mizzy

[bob3141]

Why does inexperienced with scum Mizzy do this when they were generally town read? Like it's a very obvious change in my play against someone known for being hard to get mislynches to stick on.

pedit: cos I wanted to get a wagon going on someone other than pret and tris was the one skitter seemed interested in

So why go for teh one skitter wanted.

why not a50 or ben

[bob3141]

no, cos I'm town, and town me is trying to understand why you had to be pushed to vote for the person you seem to consider scummiest right now?

pedit: cos wagons need consensus to go through, it was very much a wagon to lynch, not pressure, there was less than 24 hours, I wanted to lynch someone from my lynch pool over pret and that was the one that seemed like it might actually get somewhere

You assume i was pushed. And your assuming I think your the scummiest.

So you claim you claim there was only 24hr to go but why not move your vote ealier and see if you could get oen of your other scum reads lynched


p.s. Also mizzy i dont want a short day. Last game i was in there was 3 lolhammers. even if one was scum and would have been lynched anyway.

[bob3141]

tris flip changed my position on pret, combined with maybe a bit of anger at feeling fooled by him, and I decided to death tunnel cos I think he is scum, and unless I get players more expeirenced with set up than me who aren't the person I'm trying to lynch who has already been accused of using claims to get out of being lynched giving me a case as to why I'm overreacting I'm sticking to this until one of us is dead


Also, iirc you were voting Pret so now I can definitely do it

VOTE: Pret

This is also the classic finding a reason to state yourself onto a wagon.

Now, if Bob decides to go back there is another vote on my wagon.

Also, your reasonings are flawed because even tris wasn’t voting me.

mizzy already has. Mizzy stated earlier that although he wanted you it was too early to put it to l-1

[bob3141]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

Such a statement is largly meaningless. As if you are scum you would know if there was. And if your town you would feel liek there is

[bob3141]

Based on flips and a crumb I think I caught I don't believe pret's claim any more.

Wouldn't surprise me if scum do have a Strongman, and it informed pret's claim.

Also unless someone can show me a convincing tracker crumb I have a hard time seeing scum kill skitter over jk claiming town!pret. Her town game has reputation but so does his.

VOTE: pret

pedit: UNVOTE:

FoS pret

no, that is me unvoting cos I felt like it was going too quick, I do not intend to vote anyone other than pret today

mizzy never realy left your wagon. Me changign my vote realy only freed up a slot.

[bob3141]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

[bob3141]

A question to everyoen currently voting pret and to pret too

What do you think of teh players voting with you. You can do it for both pret being scum and pret beign town.

If pret is scum who do you think is bussing and if he ends up flipping town looking back who would you think is scum

[bob3141]

So my wagon is DDL, Salad, Mizzy?

Is that it? Because that should be enough to prove why that’s a scum motivated wagonz

Ypu missed bef

Your wagon so far is drd, bef, sald, mizzy


also pret if my unvote allowed scum mizzy to land a vote. Why ddi he unvote when you were at l-3. Wouldnt scum mizzy of kept teh vote there

[bob3141]

pret how mnay votes did you have on you when you claimed that you were jk

[bob3141]

that question is more me beign to lazy to check myself lol

[bob3141]

i suppose its no worse than l-3 and you did do that as town.

[bob3141]

Pret just a quick question when would you say adding addittional modifiers moves into teh region of self limiting. Trying to figure out if your self limiting or beign truthful about only so mnay shots

[bob3141]

Pret just a quick question when would you say adding addittional modifiers moves into teh region of self limiting. Trying to figure out if your self limiting or beign truthful about only so mnay shots

If you don't believe his claim why would you believe how many shots he's claiming?

The question is still valid. he has claimed 2 shot so want to probe that area bit.

[bob3141]

I’m too big a threat for scum to keep alive, but if they are forced to night kill me, they already lose.

town does not post this

nor anything that pret says on this page

why wouldnt town say something like this. Not that i agree or disagree. Just that i would liek to see your reasonign behind this

[bob3141]

Pret what does tracker and doc flip make you think about the all the roles in the game.

[bob3141]

lol im certainly getting teh feeling this game is murky.

[bob3141]

ive just looked at the start of thread. And it says mafia doesnt have day talk by default

[bob3141]

does that mean scum could have encryptor or that it simply says they dont have day talk

[bob3141]

before i saw this i got teh feeling there was an internal caht goign on in the thread. A few players felt that they were asking other should we kill pret

[bob3141]

in the guise of them saying if pret doesnt die we shoudl lynch him tommorrow

[bob3141]

cant remember were i saw them. Currently trying to find them

[bob3141]

Well it wasnt 954. There was something that felt like one player was asking aroudn end of day one.

Could be nothing

[bob3141]

but one thing i have concluded. Is that if pret is scum then jk is most likely fake claim. His claim that he would never fake claim his role as mafia feels genuine but does that simply mean that jk is scum fake claim.

After trying to read pret i too feel like a rest lol

[bob3141]

Slow it down guys. Because right now people are trying to sell all the major wagons day 1 were on town and I ain't buying any of that.

makes you wonder why scum didnt go for pret or drd wagons but instead went for tris


If drd and pret town why didnt they get over the line. Now pret got to l-2 not sure if got as far are l-1.

Drd never got past 4

is one scum or are they both town. and if both are town why did scum not want them

[bob3141]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

A quick question. Why was your first response when skitter lolhammered that they were a scum team. Tris hadnt fliped yet nor claimed her role post hammer.


If you believed so weakly that tris was scum that a single vote from another player would result in you removing her from you belive scum team. Its not liek you hadnt been pushign a tris lynch for soem time.

I remember all teh times you were saying that tris was doing her scum game.

[bob3141]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

A quick question. Why was your first response when skitter lolhammered that they were a scum team. Tris hadnt fliped yet nor claimed her role post hammer.


If you believed so weakly that tris was scum that a single vote from another player would result in you removing her from you belive scum team. Its not liek you hadnt been pushign a tris lynch for soem time.

I remember all teh times you were saying that tris was doing her scum game.

If skitter was scum, then I caught her, if skitter was town, she got a potential reason to be nightkilled.


RCE probably knew I was going to jailkeep him, not Skitter, so it was a safe kill.

The fact RCE didn’t even comment on the majority of my analysis today is why he’s likely scum.

Ben, RCEnigma, Salad, replace one with DDL/Skellen/A50 is a solve.

If I’m wrong on one of the main three, it’s likely salad.

But why was your first response to assume tris must be town after skitters hammer.

You had been pushing a case that tris was doing her scum game for few days. Why think she was town before her flip or her revealing her role in twlight

[bob3141]

in fact you made a scum team of 3 10 minutes after skitters hammer.


Why vote tris if you didnt think she was scum. As 10 minutes after the hammer you decided tris was town.

If you read on was that weak why push her to L-1.

[bob3141]

your scum reads on triss were when you were on your morality account. On your pret account only mention i can find is that that on 5th you say tou liek tris and think she is town.


Feels odd to me why scum read her then town read her. Then lyncher then before flip assume she is town

[bob3141]

Where i am at the moment is that i still think your scum. Something just doesnt feel right about you.

[bob3141]

im currently reading skellen as town

I cant see all of RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle beign scum. Based on the speed of that tris wagon. I would never have voted tris and i wouldnt be suprised if one or two otehr town were the same

So,

Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious

contains 1-3 scum but who exactly. Trying to get every lynch i vote for rigth this game. Last game it was 1 wrong 3 right. (well vig got teh 3rd before we could lynch)

[bob3141]

I’m not wrong on Ben being scum and the fact that nearly everyone in this game is just allowing him to coast this hard is ridiculous, if you ask me.

Put pressure on him and watch what likely happens

That is one thing i agree with you. This game he is even less active than lil.

[bob3141]

im currently reading skellen as town

I cant see all of RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle beign scum. Based on the speed of that tris wagon. I would never have voted tris and i wouldnt be suprised if one or two otehr town were the same

So,

Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious

contains 1-3 scum but who exactly. Trying to get every lynch i vote for rigth this game. Last game it was 1 wrong 3 right. (well vig got teh 3rd before we could lynch)

Def Pret, possibly Saladman and Almost50.

why do you pair saladman and almost50. What about them makes you think they are prets partners. Or what about them makes you individualy think they are scum.

[bob3141]

im currently reading skellen as town

I cant see all of RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle beign scum. Based on the speed of that tris wagon. I would never have voted tris and i wouldnt be suprised if one or two otehr town were the same

So,

Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious

contains 1-3 scum but who exactly. Trying to get every lynch i vote for rigth this game. Last game it was 1 wrong 3 right. (well vig got teh 3rd before we could lynch)

Def Pret, possibly Saladman and Almost50.

Also what changed over the 2 days between the post where you list salad as a town read. And 150 as only a null.

What in 2 days tipped one from town to scum and teh otehr from null to scum

[bob3141]

going over skitters night kill and trying to work out who benifits.

Wagon ended with 4 players stubbonly remaining on pret. If pret was scum he could bet that any 4 of them would rejoin when it was 6 to lynch. Now with tris flip skitter would be bound to join.

However, with a doc dead and the chances to get successful NK were up. So why kill skitter over those other likely to vote pret.

And if pret is town why choose skitter for the night kill over pret. Did they think pret was bluffing or that town lynch him anyway.

[bob3141]

looking a tris wagon the one that sticks out teh most is mizzy.

He cast teh first vote only 7 minutes after saying he was happy on the drd wagon. While in that entire post he is pushing for tris lynch. Even though he is suggesting that he doesnt want to move.

At teh same time he is pushing back against pret lynch.

Resulting him making the first vote of tris wagon. Not teh 4th or 5th but the first. Clear to me he was very eager to get to choose teh comprimise wagon

[bob3141]

I'm already on a wagon I'm happy with, why push a new one so late?

If you moved to Pretentious I'd consider if tris is more likely to get lynched today than ddl been as you were part of the force behind this wagon. Though I doubt RCE is moving to tris if you vote Pret and I think it would be hard to get that momentum with less than 24 hours to go from players not on Pret only.

Not so long ago you asked if anyone likes tris. Why aren't you voting there?

I would definitely flashwagon tris if feasible. *shrug* I guess some one has to start it.

VOTE: tris

Anyone gonna join me?

sheeping her way onto wagons, lots of responding to questions with other questions or generally not being helpful/open, a collective tone read, someone who isn't Pretentious who might actually be lynchable in the 15 hours or whatever it is until deadline for people who don't want to lynch Pretentious

pretty sure it's L-3, same as pretentious - me, skitter, a50 and bef

Unofficial vote count 1.x

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tris (5, L-2) - mizzy, skitter, a50, bef, saladman

Pret (3) - RCE, ben, ddl
ben (1) - pret
bob (1) - LUV
bef (1) - skellen
ddl (1) - bob
a50 (1) - tris

If my maths is correct deadline is in (expired on 2019-10-11 03:00:00)


pedit: Saladman vote

At every turn i see mizzy pushign we cant get pret lynched lets lynch tris. At this stage any scum read on tris is taking a small part of what he says. with most of it pushing teh momentum on tris and trying to make pret lynch look hopeless

[bob3141]

All these actions cause the drd wagon to collapse. Im feelign the wagon shift was teh fear of pret simply being lynched due to being the compromise wagon. As several of thos pushign drd were prone to pret lynch too.

But before mizzy swaps his vote he finds another wagon he can get skitter to lead. Makign him look liek follow and not teh instigator

[bob3141]

because it was getting close to eod and nobody was voting there

i didn't realize how close deadline was either tho

VOTE: pretentious

i would flashwagon tris too

l-2 and all that jazz

I would definitely flashwagon tris if feasible. *shrug* I guess some one has to start it.

VOTE: tris

Anyone gonna join me?

VOTE: tris

i really don't know how i feel about ddl either tbh

skitter votes for pret but also says she is partial to flash wagon on tris.

Straight away mizzy votes tris

[bob3141]

pret goes from dangerzone of lynch l-2 down to l-4

the same as tris shortly latter.

if mizzy had not created a counter wagon and lynch tris by deadline. Then i would voted pret to avoid no lynch. As ultimaly did happen skellen votes for pret

Therefore, pret woudl have been lynched. Them lynching tris no doubt avoid that. As with main driving force of drd gone that wagon woudl of collapsed

[bob3141]

there is also the potential that mizzy was just trying to push teh lynch away from drd. BUt conciderign that at teh time drd was scum read. He abadons the drd wagon so fast


Woudl have to look at teh state around drd. To determine the state of lynch and what any scum if scum with pret would have thought.

At that stage it could also be concidered if skitter returned that pret woudl be bound to vote for drd to avoid his own lynch. As if he was town he would know he was town and thus drd lynch would be least worse option. That woudl leave that at l-2.

Not far from an actual lynch conciderign at this point atleast oen of pret wagon moved. And any remaining town would be bound to try and avoid a no lynch unless they were strongly town reading drd

[bob3141]

Anyone notice teh day has pretty much stalled with no real wagons forming

[bob3141]

Still not sure on Pret but one thign i am sure on is that i dont think pret is the best lynch for today. Is it realy the best wagon to give us the most extra info.

On pret 2 conditions . i,e one where he is town and teh other scum

If he is scum then there are his 2 scum buddies we could try and lynch today.


And im currently at the view that either one of the day one wagons was on scum or that the scum simply didnt care who was lynched

[bob3141]

My gut feeling is that that both pret and DRD wagons have one scum on them. Even if maybe one of teh wagosn was on scum.

If scum is just sitting back. Which would explian teh stalled game state then i do think sald has good chacne of being one.

He realy does need to speak up a fair bit ocne his vla is over

[bob3141]

For now i think we need break bit of the dead lock. Everyone not voting shoudl vote for a player.

I can only a reason for town not to cast there votes.

[bob3141]

For now i think we need break bit of the dead lock. Everyone not voting shoudl vote for a player.

I can't see a reason for town not to cast their votes. Unless there scum sitting back waiting for deadline

corrected-

[bob3141]

For now i think ill move my vote to salad. Want too see allot more activity from him and im not likign the lack of active scum hunting. So so narrow. Can only see pushs against pret even though there is more than one mafia. cant see any real attempt at him trying to find who he thinks prets partners would be if he beleives pret is scum
VOTE: Salad

[bob3141]

That migth be so but Its about one line prety much to each read.

Ben is just as bad in that regard. I dont want day 2 to end before we hear allot more from both

[bob3141]

think so with

A50 (4) DrDoolittle, Mizzytastic, Lil Uzi Vert, RCE
sald (1) bob
pret (1) ben

[bob3141]

im currently reading skellen as town

I cant see all of RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle beign scum. Based on the speed of that tris wagon. I would never have voted tris and i wouldnt be suprised if one or two otehr town were the same

So,

Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious

contains 1-3 scum but who exactly. Trying to get every lynch i vote for rigth this game. Last game it was 1 wrong 3 right. (well vig got teh 3rd before we could lynch)

Def Pret, possibly Saladman and Almost50.

why do you pair saladman and almost50. What about them makes you think they are prets partners. Or what about them makes you individualy think they are scum.

Almost50: viewtopic.php?p=11313050#p11313050
Saladman: viewtopic.php?p=11316963#p11316963

ben you didnt realy answer my question you just linked 2 prior posts. I wanted you to talk through your scumm reads again and not just avoid talking

[bob3141]

Skitters already dead.

[bob3141]

And ben why woudl any tracker be upset

[bob3141]

Ben what do you think of all that has happened in teh last few days. And of teh leading wagons who woudl you vote for

[bob3141]

Ben what do you think of all that has happened in teh last few days. And of teh leading wagons who woudl you vote for

I'm still trying to weed through it. I did a quick skim, but there's beena LOT of activity. Once again I planned on logging in during the weekend, but the wife had to start a bit of drama on Saturday then I had a show on Sunday.

Honestly, Pret has offered me NOTHING to change my mind on him being scum. I'm still heavily scum leaning Salad but not enough to jump off Pret and on the Salad bandwagon right now as I do not enjoy voting for people I do not feel truly are scum. One of the reasons I never voted Tris other than my day one random.

So who do you scum read. Every mini game i have been in has had 3 scum.

Thus if pret is scum who do you think teh other 2 are

[bob3141]

^ That was at Bob's ask of who I think are with pret.

ben you didnt do as i asked. You just quoted your old posts.

Do taht again and i will assuem you are just scum trying to avoid beign questioned.

[bob3141]

Agaisn ben if you had to vote for one of teh leading wagons who woudl it be. And cast that vote

[bob3141]

or atleast formaly say intent

[bob3141]

So you are willing to make an anti town play to try and protect your own neck when you are claiming what is functionally named vanilla?

Protect my neck? You honestly feel I'm scum, lynch me. Of course when pret makes it to day 3 laughing at you, like he did when you guys lynched Tris, then that's on you.

I do not have to defend my vote. I've laid out multiple reasons why I am voting this way. I've laid out who could POSSIBLY be scum as well and why. I also didn't jump on the other town's obvious mislynch of tris, because I VOTE WHEN I AM ALMOST ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IT'S THE RIGHT VOTE. Suspicions aren't enough to take us down any more green. But if you feel it's ok to take out people who not everyone's sure about, don't be surprised when you're on the line later and don't have people coming to your defense.

Yet you refuse to engage with teh thread. All you will provide is afew posts from 5 days ago. With your reads set instone refusing vote for your own scum reads just so you can sit on vanity wagon

VOTE: ben

[bob3141]

I can not see a player who reads 3 players, in this case pret, salad and a50 as scum

refusing to vote for anyother than teh one that has no votes eventhough he is at l-2 and was at l-1. Even though one of his other scum reads is at l-2. And its looking liek situation where its him or his scum read. And towny woudl perfer to lynch a scum read over himslef as him would be confirmed town to himself.

[bob3141]

Refuse to contribute to teh thread by simply stone walling and only linking prior posts.

[bob3141]

I do find it funny that ben has ahve manged to increase his post from shoking 30 to 40. By simply making posts how he is annoyed that poeple are askign him questions.

And of those 5-10 are posts liitle more than linking prior posts. Of which a few holding nothing more tahn one link

[bob3141]

ben if you are town then how you have been last few day then you prety much tryign to throw teh game.

And you havnt even commented on how I ahve pointed out that you wot even vote for one of your own scum reads over your own lynch

[bob3141]

won't

[bob3141]

You say people have lives and yes they do and everyoen has managed to make an attempt to post. And to engagewith the thread

you have made liek 10 game relevant posts. The rest are either linking of posts or you complaining

[bob3141]

ben wagon i think largley happened because of his refusual to interact.

I know i voted ben back up to l-1 after he irritated me by stone walling when I was trying to sort him. Thrice he refused to comment in effect why he would want either a no lynch or his own lynch than lynch his 3rd scum read.

Even if his responses were stroppy. Not sure if he is just real stuboon town or scum. As i just cant imagine scum acting this foolish. Its like he is determined to put a big lynch me sign on his back

UNVOTE:

[bob3141]

Ben even if you are beign even stropier atleast your starting to get the idea. That you got to ask questions, i hope this trend continues but dont forget you also got to answer questions. You can take you time to respond but dont do a half hearted response.

Well I unvoted you because i got teh info i needed to read you better. Didnt want it get to last day were i would have to make the decision between two players were one there was nothing to read. It was a little like getting blood from stone i must admit.

Now i will have a few players i want to look at to see how they all pair up. but at the moment my vote today will be oen of BEF, A50 and sald. Prety sure one of either mizzy or A50 is scum. And am leaning from his post over the last day or two towards mizzy being town.

[bob3141]

Where's your vote bob? Time is running out bob. Come on bob. Why are you avoiding voting bob? Where's your interaction bob?

I seriously am super annoyed at you for the last few hours. But really.. lets see it. You unvoted, so cast your vote. Or are you really trying to throw people off of your trail?

I think I may go back and look at bob's post tbh. How is everyone else reading him and why? Mizzy? RCE? Pret? A50? LUV? Everyone? Where are we on bob? I find it really funny he was so gung effen ho about me a bit ago, but then unvotes and goes silent.

There the spirit look back at players post and actualy try to become informed. Let people know you thoughs so they can make both judgement on validity of you reads and the validity of your alignment from those same reads.

Be welcome change as i think there are few players you havent even mentioned unless they were directly questioning you

[bob3141]

So then what your read on me then ben. If you have no need to look at any of my posts to form it

[bob3141]

quite simply due to speed of tris wagon i think the best bet at findign scum is those that lynched her

Thats -(Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, skitter30)

now skitter is dead and although scum a pret lynch neither seems to be on teh cards nor would give us the most info.

That leaves (Mizzytastic, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert,

now as i said if you look ben. That im town reading mizzy after his repsonses and actions since i started evaluating there.

now that leaves Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27, Lil Uzi Vert,

Now im town reading luv from his last few posts. As although few do give us somethign to bite into. Like your only just doign now.

That leaves Almost50, BrightEyedFish, Saladman27

[bob3141]

I would prefer salad for now.

Im just not sure scum acts like ben. With utright stone walling and make a fake outrage when a player pushs for answers when they refuse too

[bob3141]

for now im most confident in salad being scum

VOTE: salad

[bob3141]

I think thats count is right A50

[bob3141]

RCE moved to a50 when peopel started to move to ben

[bob3141]

If you are town salad you might as well defend yourself.

As it stands we are 4 hours away from deadline with you on l-1 and a50 on l-2.

[bob3141]

Its quite interesting that no scum moved from pret to the tris lynch as the only player that did flipped town.

[bob3141]

I think one of mizzy and pret must be scum.

Unless bg 2shot jk and my role fit in a game. with doc and tracker

[bob3141]

Since we prety much hit deadline last day as well as first. I very much think atleast one scum was one that mort wagon at teh end of day one.

Making me parnoid about some of my prior town reads. Been lookign at those who migth actual simply be sittign back

[bob3141]

Is a bodyguard a role that simply takes the kill instead of the intended target.

[bob3141]

This is EXACTLY why I did not want to change my vote. I said I had scum vibes of Salad but my gut had me elsewhere. I stood my ground and got crapped on for it. Good work everybody! Way to be team players and such. Next time, instead of crying that I won't budge on my vote because I'm not 100% sure, why not go back and look at why I'm so gung ho about sticking?

I'm so irritated right now.

I'm looking at Bob and Mizzy more before I cast my vote since both of them worked hard against me to get me to vote here when it is not who I wanted. I'm starting to think maybe I was looking in the wrong direction and should have realized that they were forwarding their own agendas.

What i tried to do was make you make a stance. We were a day or two away from the deadlien and at that point it was clear a pret lynch was not goign to happen. Ask you self how does it help town if you turn yourself into a dead vote. There are 3 scum usualy in 13 game, so thats 3 players for you to look for. Ok you think pret is sure to be one but his lynch is happening. So you try to get the next 2 you think are scum lynched. Both of those players at teh end of teh day were you scum reads. Why you probed. As to why you didnt want to vote for your scum reads.

What i was trying to do was to make you make up your own mind. Can you not imagine why players might in effect ask you why your prepared to let no lynch happen over lynch one of your scum reads. And no lynch is normaly very bad for town.



I just cant see scum sticking themselves out in the open for so much flax. So for now ben oddly enough you have become one of few town reads im actual sure on.

[bob3141]

alive players listed. ( this is equivalent of me think aload)

benhalkum
bob3141
Pretentious
Mizzytastic
Skellen
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
RCEnigma
DrDolittle

[bob3141]

tris - 7 (Mizzytastic, Almost50, t, t, Lil Uzi Vert, Pretentious, t)

With teh dead replaced with t.

skitter and BEF were nk and sald lynched. Now how many are town and how many scum.

off that wagon

RCEnigma, benhalkum, DrDoolittle, Skellen are all stile alive. Aswell as me but i know im town.

if scum were heavy on tris why kill of the wagon.

[bob3141]

so are the scum most of that wagon and were trying to vanity vote on mort. Whether he is scum or not.

Could the tris wagon of been helped by some scum. Certainly not all as if scum were all on tris. Me, rce , skellen would have made better kills. Drd was off to even if as being wagoned that day.

Why kill BEF unless it didnt matter

[bob3141]

One thing is for sure i cant see 3 being on that wagon. Could be a case of 1 or 2 beign on tris but not 3.

zero happens but is rare. Makes me think atleast one of those on pret at the end of teh day was scum. Either trying to avoid beign involved in teh lynch or just couldnt move with out stickig out liek saw thumb.

[bob3141]

Me, rce , skellen would have made better kills. Drd was off to even if as being wagoned that day.

Unless there's scum in this list. We are taking for granted that we believe we know who is who. I think day 3 paranoia is going to sit in hard now that we're down so many green.

im most paranoid about skellens slot. Looked town to me in first few days but then i realised he has actualy been holding his vote back till the last few days.

[bob3141]

I have feeling like A50 and skellen are bother scum.

Just something about skellens last few posts of the day feel insincere. Feels as much some making case than an actual anaylsis on there final vote.

With my town reads being luv, ben and mizzy

[bob3141]

Can't say I am that satisfied with bef's response, but I think there is no point in pursuing this if I go by his reads, so I will leave it till I know more.

VOTE: Pretentious

While I townread skitter for her interactions with him I can't shake off the suspicion that he is slightly manipulative in that conversation, like his focus in trying to win skitter over who is also the most charismatic person on his wagon (he couldn't probably make RCE move anyway). That and these multiple emphases that he is town, it rubs me the wrong way like he

wants

to establish this mindset casually.

Then again his oberservation on A50 is quite townie imo. Ugh, that guy drives me nuts.

I will also pay attention on tris while rereading today, I think that's someone I could compromise onto. Her voting behaviour comes off as pretty arbitrarily, although it only pinged strongly when she moved on to bef, to bob and then back to A50. That was a weird sequence. However I also thought that her townreads came off rather naturally.

If skellenand a50 are scum that would ceratinly explain skitters nk day one.

[bob3141]

I also dont like the timing of that vote. He holds of voting for pret until pret is no longer either tied or teh highest lynch. And so close to teh deadline. Why not vote pret earlier?

H had sepnt the prior 2 days on BEF and most of the rest of teh day not voting

The lynch happened only 3 hours later with the deadline only a further 1 or 2. seems a little late.

Its not even that he real pushs pret that hard. In his 3 posts by his vote. I dont think i see him give any reason why pret is scum. Earlier in game maybe but at that vital point nothing. Only mentions are in fact him saying he is quite townie. Followed by him sayign he will reread tris

[bob3141]

I am probably down to Vex, bef and Pretentious for today's lynch, also in that order. But I don't know about Pretentious, maybe he is out of it, myabe he stays. Blergh.

Not sure about DDL. I can see the points that Mizzy brought up and I agree with skitter that the wording in #425 looks strange for coming from a town mindset. But it was also my impression that posts of this kind could be normal coming from him going by his personality.

I like RCE and Mizzy for town. Was considering to lean town on tris too, but I remember that a few days ago something wording related threw me off her again which I hadn't looked into yet. I kind of had/have a subjective gut townlean on skitter, but I don't really feel dedicated to it yet as I am not feeling it yet outside of that gut feeling.

@RCE:
My impression aside that I don't really feel he is your pocket, what exactly does this bef pocket thing mean for your read on him?

Here again he says he will vote pret but ends that sentance with a light defense for pret

[bob3141]

Pret the kills arnt mutualy exclusive with you being scum. Just that if you are scum the kills are meant to set some else up for the win.

You say i dont make that kill. Doesnt mean your not mafia with that kill.

[bob3141]

also pret can you remind us on how your reading a50

[bob3141]

Luv and MIzz in town block.

A50
Salad
Pret

Pret should have been lynched already if that were our destiny

SO scratch Pret

That leaves :

A50
Salad

I prefer Salad over A50. It's the way to go.

why would rce nk BEF if his goal would have been to get rid of blockers to pret lynch.

Looks quite clear teh next 2 on BEF list were A50 and pret

[bob3141]

above @skellen

[bob3141]

Since we prety much hit deadline last day as well as first. I very much think atleast one scum was one that mort wagon at teh end of day one.

Making me parnoid about some of my prior town reads. Been lookign at those who migth actual simply be sittign back

Bob, were you crumbing in this post?

Thats prety much just a post. I didnt put crumb in there

[bob3141]

Pret i am Pr but would prefer to keep scum guessing to exactly waht it is for bit longer

[bob3141]

Well my starting point is teh belief taht Mizzy and ben are town.

That leaves a basic pool of

Pret, DrD, A50, Skellen, RCE and LUV.

Im leaning towards LUV being town.

[bob3141]

The thing im think is do we realy want to leave pret to lylo.

Pret being town very much realys on there beign 2 scum pr to balance him out. And infact prob requires scum to have a strongman.

If pret is town it would mean that we had 5 chances per night to stop there desired kill. Of which only one would still result in NK. The jk woudl infact have 2 chances. Either rb the killer or protecting the target (thats 2 of the chances)

My role and tris role would give 2 of the chances. Then you have mizzy claimed pr which in effect acts like reverse backup

Infact for there not be strongman the setup would have to be heavily set up towards townies stepping on each other toes during the night. In fact realying on townies blockign other townie pr

[bob3141]

My worry as much as my worry that pret could actualy be town is that. We end up either not lynching pret or lynching pret at lylo and lose

[bob3141]

Pret you are liek oil squid

So hard to get firm grasp off

[bob3141]

Im not a direct protective like jk or doc or bg. Before i give more detail i think others should claim first.

i cant see town have 3 goes at protecting a player. Without scum havign somethign to balance it out. Infact 3 direct protectives would mean that scum would have to have strongman. Even with one or two town roles that could prevent other town roles from workign i doubt anything less than strongman woudl be enough to balance

So pret being town requires scum to have strongman.

[bob3141]

2 shot means he has 2 shots. So he would be out of shots know as he claimed 2 have claimed rce twice


Dont think ive noticed anyoen claim that they had been detained. Ben who was it?

[bob3141]

Thinking about it more.

So pret being town requires scum to have strongman.

We've only seen basic mafia kills so far right? Or have the targets not been important enough to distinguish a normal maf kill vs strongman?

I'm still just not convinced Pret is town, but don't want to start the "vote Pret" train again if I'm still the only one scum reading him.

Strongman kills cant be blocked. Either by rb, rolestopper, jk, doc , bg ect

Vtown vig kills , mafia kills and strongman kills also show up teh same.

In normal games kills can have no flavour

[bob3141]

You dont know.

All he would know is that he tried to JK RCE. Only a tracker could determin otherwise.

A target who is VT would be none the wise if they were jk. Pret what was your reasonign behind jailed RCE a second time

[bob3141]

It clears him from making that kill that night but not from being mafia. So being rb and a kill still happening is mostly NIA.

[bob3141]

A50 if your a loyal vistor who did you visit n1 and why?

[bob3141]

theres no 3 protectives in this game?!

Like I agree that the Jailkeeper is the odd one that sticks out here, but if we take bob's hinting at face value we can as well have 4 protectives by claims (or still 3 if one is fake), so I don't know what to make of the setup yet.

No one else has claimed JK though. You would think, that's a role that if you tried claiming falsely someone would have called them on it by now. I'm not saying I magically think Pret is town, but I am saying if there is another JK then they should def speak up.

Has Bob stated what kind of PR he has yet? It's a bit odd he's made claims that he has a PR but has been, at least how I've seen, vague about it. Unless he's calling vig or vet a soft PR. Probably vet with no vig kills yet. So a BG, vet, and JK to me at least are not out of the ordinary.

Just thinking out loud. After the last couple phases we've had, I'm a bit leery going into today. We really need to get this right.

That doesnt mean a jk even exists in this game. I think the jk simply doesnt fit.

[bob3141]

We have tracker enable claim. Although i doubt scum woudl false claim that. It doesnt remove the possibility that its a scum role.

Town lynchs the scum tracker enabler and town tracker loses his ability. Or its a town enabler thats intend to be another way from scum to eliminate the tracker

[bob3141]

The question about A50 role claim. What would be the point of scum claiming loyal visitor. Scum would either come up with a better rc or just claim VT.

[bob3141]

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

How convenient. Your role depends on the tracker, who died D1. And you visited BEF N1 and N2, who is not dead. But why? If your role is effectively VT now as you put it, why would you visit anyone? That means you're NOT VT if you're able to get ANY info about someone you visit as per your comment "I wanted to see if he was town". If your role relied on Tris to work at all, there would be no N2 visit and prob no N1.

VOTE: Almost50

Ben did you miss this. I think A50 already explained why he still made an action n2

[bob3141]

Pret how confident are you on your A50 read. You say you can read him very well.

So if A50 is town what does that mean on your scum read of him

[bob3141]

mm for now im think pret is are best lynch.

VOTE: Pret

I think more players have to cast votes so we know more concretely were everyone stands

[bob3141]

Prety clear to me that your scum now. Just needed something for you to bite onto to be sure



Ive made myself quite clear all of today that ive seen you as the best lynch to find scum. Yet you do U turn on your read on me when i simply put my vote into writing.


You even say your lynch equals a town loss. Because as you put you think next days lynch will be rce or A50. A50 who you just said you think is scum and RCE a player at times you have pushed as scum.

[bob3141]

For teh day ends i would liek to hear skellen whats your role

[bob3141]

I mean, if I were scum, my lynch would be a town loss anyways.

So lynching you as scum doesnt push town closer to a win. All they have to do is unpick what ever misdirection you have been sowing

[bob3141]

You can forgive me for not knowing exactly your current read. You have been flip flopping them all over the place.

And may i point out your doing the exact think your claim me to be doing. Have you or have you not at times scum read RCE. Have you or have you not pushed for his lynch.

I also find it interesting how your saying RCE would end up beign lynched tommorrow when you have been teh only person to ever suggest lynching him.

[bob3141]

You raise the prospect of some being lynched and town losing the game. On one player you claim is scum and that you know how to read him. The second on a player i think you were the only person to ever realy scum read him. and the only person to ever vote for him

A scum read that first came out around teh time he was pushing you.

[bob3141]

Not only that but A50 is player you are pushing to lynch. You have even put your credibility on teh lien by outrigth saying when you are town you can alway read A50. You say that if A50 is town on your lynch will result in town loss. If A50 did flip town what do you think would happen then?

Wouldnt it just be teh same situation. A50 or RCE flip town. Would you be saying that there misflip could result in your lynch and thus town loss. But you dont just on your lynch

[bob3141]

Bobby, A50, and DDL scum team. Believe it!

So you great analysis simply comes down to anyone who votes me is scum?

Looks to me your simply trying to push a scum case against anyone who thinks your the best lynch. Tell me why Ive gone from scum read to town read to scum again. All the while scum reading you. Apart from a short bit were explored the possibility you could be town. Back then all of sudden I was town read. But remained a town read of yours even though i reterned to scum reading you

[bob3141]

A50 even is pushing the fire now. Obv scum push is obv

But what makes you think its a scum push from A50. All you keep saying when ever anyone votes for you is that there scum and that its scum push. I can only conclude that your only goal is to prevent your own lynch as you make no attempt to game solve. All you do is in effect just spinnign an oil slick to help you slip away.

[bob3141]

BEF is not the strongest player in the world was being scum-spected by multiple people.

killing him as a night action is something someone who is eccentric would do. This almost surely is the work of pret, and to a lesser degree a50. bob ben rce and me feel strongly like players that play by the books (i.e. no fakeclaiming as town, crazy gambits etc.). i cant see you, skellen, luv targeting him either.

This is effectively the reason why I never kill BEF.

I play to the players in the game. That’s way too eccentric of a kill for me to make it worth making unless I’m specifically trying to get in a 1v1 with A50, which I guess is kinda plausible.

Idk. I really don’t think BEF would be a good kill for me, it sets me up for someone to push me like you were

Claiming you would make the kill undermines your very agruement that you didnt make the kill. As how do we know one of teh reasons scum made that kill is so you could claim you didnt make that kill.

Now pret who would you have killed without it undermining your false role claim.

[bob3141]

You go back and forth because I start to think about it, and my reads are genuine. I say what I feel in the moment.

I got paranoid you might have pocketed me from earlier on, and I was giving you like a complete free pass.

And then I thought I was being paranoid for being paranoid, and then I realized the ScumBob feelings had merit, even if it ends up being incorrect.

At the time your town read and sudden town read on mizzy. When we stopped pushign you felt ever so fishy. I remember when i explored the possibility that you coudl be town and thus looked to see if there was any signs that scum coudl have been talkign about leaving you alive. You were sounded genuinely supprised of any talk. Felt very much like a player suprised to see a townie think he has seen talk about scum not killign you when in fact you ar infact sscum

[bob3141]

You go back and forth because I start to think about it, and my reads are genuine. I say what I feel in the moment.

I got paranoid you might have pocketed me from earlier on, and I was giving you like a complete free pass.

And then I thought I was being paranoid for being paranoid, and then I realized the ScumBob feelings had merit, even if it ends up being incorrect.

Yet you never actual back them up at any point. You start scum reading me yet your only vangue on teh reason. Then all of sudden im town and again your vague on why its suddenly changed. Quite clear to me your reads are little more than you trying to stear teh game state so you and your scum partner can get a win

[bob3141]

Now pret who would you have killed without it undermining your false role claim.

RCEnigma.

But an RCE kill would undermine your jk claim. If you were town and RCE was town then scum after hearing you claimed to have jailed RCE night 1.

You woudl kill your main scum reads as that would remove space for you to push. If you kill those you town read during end of day 2 then it makes you suspect. So you kill someone that A. scum reads you and will liekly vote for you teh next day. 2. isnt realy being the focus of many players and 3. a player you can claim to not have killed.


Even though you are the one that benifits most from BEF kill. You majorly benifited from skitter kill.

End of day oen goign into n1. Skitter still strongly scum read you but wanted to check. Tris flipps town. With a fake claim you would be vunrable to a whole array of town power roles. If a player that will likely want to lynch you the next is pr. She would certainly visit you. After all skitter narrowly stayed on you wagon to get lynch. If she had you would have been lynched that day. Coudl you real afford that many players scum reading you to stay alive. After all your partners coudl always conveniently find anotehr wagon to be when you get pressured

[bob3141]

You’re making a mountain of a mole hill, so right now it feels like you felt pressure from not being generally seen as town.

@RCEnigma - Vorkuta kinda did something similar to Bob in Musicals. I was strong town reading Vorkuta, and then I started to think about possible ScumHim and he had some panic and flip flop, and then it lead to the famous “he’s scum who killed his own partner!!!” push the next day

See here we have shade again. You cant argue against my points so try to avoid answering them. All you can come up with i aint voted for you so i dont have to say.

[bob3141]

I never mentioned anythign about a tracker did I?

Only siad there are countless roles. You would want to keep a strong player you practically dared to check you. If you are scum you know who town is. A strong player with 30% chance of beign pr. (just a base stat of teh games ive played)

So you cant say you didnt have reason.

[bob3141]

Skellen, claim you’re role. I feel like you’re a PR too.

RCE, LUV, DDT - if you don’t claim, you’re effectively claiming VT.

skelen and DrD already claimed.


If skellen is scum i have feelign he is pr. Just a feeling but just somethign about how he guessed my role.

Still paranoid about that slot

[bob3141]

I don’t have anything to argue against you because you only push things on a complete surface level of play.

When I am scum, there are no reasons like that for me to be actually scum. That’s proof game state has set me up that way

That you can see. My scum hunting is rather deep as i strive to cut through the fat and get to the meat.


If you are town, you must agree you slot needs to be resolved either threw a lynch or enough pressure to get the hints of your alignement. A stale game does not help town

[bob3141]

Also it shoudl be prety obvious what my role is after all i did practically claim day 1.

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

[bob3141]

Actually fuck that. I am reading through ben's ISO atm and I am getting cold feet.

UNVOTE: ben

@ben:
What was the specific reason that made you move me from your D1 townreads back to your nullreads?

ill have to look at this vote. As caught this on skim but why unvote here. Ben gets to l-1 and you qucikly unlynch and end up on the wagon that forms to replace it

[bob3141]

The hight of the ben wagon - Pret, sald, a50, ben, BEF

[bob3141]

The hight of the ben wagon - Pret, t, a50, skellen , t

minus dead players also correction ( put ben instead of skellen in 4th spot)

[bob3141]

interesting thing is skellen is been on quite a few wagons. Ben , sald day 2 , pret day one

In fact i think thats the entire list of players aprt from BEF he has even voted for

[bob3141]

mm i think think my vote is placed here for now

VOTE: Skellen

I swear he knew I was roleblocker when i only vaguely hinted at it. Felt very much like oh it was you.

[bob3141]

How is RCEnigma town? Can anybody give reasons? I realize I’m probably bias OMGUS tunnel, but i really feel like this is scumHim.

Originally I was townreading him for the way he develoed his scumread on you and could back it up in a comprehensible way imo. Meanwhile you two are throwing several past games at each other though that all say conveniently different things so that I am not so sure there is much I can or should take from that.

If anything atm I share his observations regarding BEF and think his play around bob looks pretty town indicative imo. Like he figured early out that bob might be a possible protective due to his comment on your Jailkeeper claim and his early townlean on bob proves that. I would think if he is scum he would push bob to get the claim, but instead when the momentum was there when people were suspecting bob (skitter, DDL I think) he took a stance against them with saying for the first time he thinks that bob is town. And there weren't any other serious pushes against bob that would indicate that his partners would do it, LUV and tris were for a moment on him, but the latter was town. DDL was still there, but he was on you. Oh, and you had bob as possible vote option for a while if I am not remembering wrong, but that's all.

To be fair, there would be a chance that bob was supposed to be saved for the nk and it became unnecessary due to the tris flip and them knowing you are the other protective (if you are town). But I still think there might have been a stronger wagon on bob as there was a wagon shortly before the tris wagon happened and RCE even said then that the attempt of the bob wagon is scum indicative.

This feels realy strange to me. Why woudl he talk about me beign saved for teh night kill. Makes me feel that if tris hadnt fliped doc i woudl ahve been killed N1

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually got from your various claims you were a vet. If you were roleblocker, who have you blocked?

Skitter Night 1

skellen Night 2

skitter was quite rash choice. Made it 10 mins after coming home and seeing skitter had lolhammered again.

Skellen movement all look odd. With us hitting deadline again. I looked at teh players that looked liek they were stalling the game.

[bob3141]

Town roleblocker

I even outright hinted to my one town read at the time RCE on day 2. The phrasing was quite intentional. Also did no one noticed how i was saying roleblocker all time

I actually got from your various claims you were a vet. If you were roleblocker, who have you blocked?

They werent claims. I was sayign what i wasnt.

Wanted to leave scum guessing if i was rolestopper or roleblocker for bit longer

[bob3141]

If we can chain lynch 2 scum and I surive i can become a clearing role

[bob3141]

I def think if any player was playing for no lynch it was skellen.

See how she just goes for the that had just dropped back down to l-4. She only pushed it back up to l-3.

While tris is on l-2 and she doesnt even comment on it. I woudl ahve thoght she would have voiced an opinion on teh state of afairs. After all a no lynch only helps town. So i woudl ahev expected her to have concidered a tris lynch. All the whiel she had her voting sitting on player as she says to pressure BEF. BEF dies n2. A player she couldnt get wagon to form on.

A player she went to put pressure on even though players were distracted by teh pret and drd saga. Will they wont they

[bob3141]

well 2 lines only on tris. All she says is she coudl compromise there

[bob3141]

she says she comes of a bit scummy. She doesnt town read tris or even strongly town read her as i was.

She says she is up for tris compromise but disappears and leaves it for pret and skitter to finish it off