which do you think he isIn post 1448, PenguinPower wrote:I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.
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oh. uh. don't read my prior games.In post 1452, january wrote:i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self voteit's a zero in my name (for PM purposes etc)-
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january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum readsIn post 1452, january wrote:i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him
which is like mildly hypocritical of me but I'm also kinda waiting around for you to remedy that problem before the day ends-
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Idk it could be trying a gambit as scum thinking he’s effectively read the roomIn post 1448, PenguinPower wrote:I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.
Like the timing seems ripe for that burst of AtE
Plus he only does it when it doesn’t hammer him<Embrace The Void>
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Do it thenIn post 1452, january wrote:i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote
this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone
i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him
And like there can be reason to self vote
I have self hammered a few times as town to avoid deadline no lynch or just take myself off the table
I won’t say it was the best idea but I don’t feel like I need to apologize for it<Embrace The Void>
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that's fair but i usually never have scumreads, only townreads and non-townreadsIn post 1456, Dannflor wrote:january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum reads
and i do think everyone HAS had a few towny posts which is kinda why im struggling
but....
here's my penguin case (sorry it's long, tldr is at the bottom)
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i exaggerated. but i still don't think he has a good reason here as town and the only reason that makes sense is it's a very badly constructed scum bluff thing (idk what it's called)In post 1459, Gamma Emerald wrote:
And like there can be reason to self voteIn post 1452, january wrote:i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote
this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone
i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him
I have self hammered a few times as town to avoid deadline no lynch or just take myself off the table-
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edited some dumb formatting thing and the tldr that was written in gibberishIn post 1460, january wrote:
that's fair but i usually never have scumreads, only townreads and non-townreadsIn post 1456, Dannflor wrote:january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum reads
and i do think everyone HAS had a few towny posts which is kinda why im struggling
but....
here's my penguin case (sorry it's long, tldr is at the bottom)
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apologies if it's somewhat incoherent, was kinda just noting things as i read so the thought progression kinda... progresses throughout the post-
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anyways upon reread i really really do not see any posts that justify the strong townread that everyone has on him
the only reasoning that i would use (and have been using until recently) to townread penguin was the apparent townslip about daytalk
but that's not really as strong as i thought it was anymore-
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Are you now acknowledging that your read on me is bad?In post 1446, Banakai wrote:ok so for the questions I've been asked:
I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.
Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town. It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong.
VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus. When I die maybe y'all will listen. oh wait actuallyyou wont cause you'll say i was bad town-
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There are no other possibilities.In post 1448, PenguinPower wrote:I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.-
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In post 1452, january wrote:i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote
this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone
i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him
My issue with a lot of his posts, is he keeps saying things that sound contradictory. Like, “people will listen” once he’s flipped - clearly implying that he’s correct on my being scum, then his comment about people calling him “bad town”, implies that he’s wrong on me.In post 1446, Banakai wrote:ok so for the questions I've been asked:
I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.
Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town. It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong.
VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus. When I die maybe y'all will listen. oh wait actually you wont cause you'll say i was bad town
Because if he was right, no one would be calling him bad town for that. This post says to me that he is acknowledging trying to push a mislynch on me. If he really thought I was scum, he wouldn’t then make that comment about people calling him “bad town”. Therefore I view his comment about people listening to him when he flips as disingenuous.
The thing is, if he really is “bad town” here and not scum, where is the self-awareness of that? I really don’t see any. It does definitely seem to me that he doesn’t honestly believe in his sr on me.-
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How likely do you think he will flip town?In post 1452, january wrote:i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote
this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone
i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote himDon’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
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If Banaki really isn’t scum here, then someone has been playing me pretty good but I really really don’t think that. I think game ends with Banaki flip and I’m not tr the self vote here.
Why no comment from him about the merits or lack there of of my case?
Why not, “if I’m wrong about Pyrrha, it could be X”? type of thing.
Just pretty much an admission of defeat, looks like.
He can’t both be right about me and be bad town, so once again, more contradictory statements.
This post is typical of his entire ISO, lazy contradictory thoughts, unlikely to come from a town mindset.
But his complete non-engagement with sheep like Dann pointed out and his being frozen during sheep lynch, make me feel pretty confident here.
This doesn’t really read to me as frustrated outraged town self-voting but caught scum, either trying a last minute gambit or throwing in the towel.
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That’s right, because he put himself at L-1 and he likely logically deduces that people would unvote and it wasn’t at L-1 anymore, since Dann unvoted.In post 1458, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Idk it could be trying a gambit as scum thinking he’s effectively read the roomIn post 1448, PenguinPower wrote:I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.
Like the timing seems ripe for that burst of AtE
Plus he only does it when it doesn’t hammer him
But I sr it because he saidboth- people will listen when he flips and that they will call him BAD town. No one calls you that if you’re right, so this is an admission that he’s not been honest about his sr on me.-
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Again, he just admitted he was wrong on sheep, so why are we supposed to “listen” to his read on me?In post 1464, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
Are you now acknowledging that your read on me is bad?In post 1446, Banakai wrote:ok so for the questions I've been asked:
I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.
Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town.It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong.
VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus.When I die maybe y'all will listen. oh wait actuallyyou wont cause you'll say i was bad town
I think this is scum AtEing as a last resort. No further comment about his reads at all. when he seemed to be so confident on scum!me earlier. I’m having real trouble thinking any of this ever comes from town.-
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I mean, not to be rude, but you did have sheep as a townlock for a fairly large portion of the game. Is this so impossible?In post 1468, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:If Banaki really isn’t scum here, then someone has been playing me pretty good but I really really don’t think that.
Who do you think it is if it doesn't end up being Banakai?-
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I didn’t have him as a townlock. He was in my townblock but that doesn’t mean he was a lock, however that was true for Gamma, so I’m not sure what your point is?In post 1471, Dannflor wrote:
I mean, not to be rude, but you did have sheep as a townlock for a fairly large portion of the game. Is this so impossible?In post 1468, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:If Banaki really isn’t scum here, then someone has been playing me pretty good but I really really don’t think that.
Who do you think it is if it doesn't end up being Banakai?
Sure, it’s definitely possible. Any guesses as to who’s been playing me, in the extremely unlikely chance Banaki is town?-
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That was my question to youIn post 1472, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Any guesses as to who’s been playing me, in the extremely unlikely chance Banaki is town?
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