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Hi

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Confirming Egix96’s Innocent Metalhead claim. They are just a fan that stumbled into this drama. If they didn’t have a generic Metallica shirt we might have noticed earlier.

Btw I haven't read much this is all I'm aware of

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Why did we massclaim again

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It was probably a mistake to take TSE's slot but I deliberately made that mistake

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Titus has been known to do big balls fake plays so I kinda need to actually sort there

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Doctor Drew.. seems town?

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Creature seems weirdly insistent not vanillarizer = I'm totally town and weirdly convinced the vanillarizer didnt just fakeclaim

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DD doesn't need to stop Creature from forcing an unnecessary fakeclaim as scum

DD doesn't benefit from it, it just draws more attention to him

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Talk to me egix

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Hmm isn't Doctor Drew scummy? He's being a little too reasonable as if he's avoiding confrontation and 1v1s

For example with Creature

That's how I feel on DD too

Care to walk me through your read on me eve?

Didn't I literally just have a confrontation with Creature?

And how is being 'too reasonable' scummy?

They mean hedgy and on the fence

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Where are you overall

Why did your eve read develop the way it did ("develop" i.e. stop existing)

What do you feel about Creature's insistence on massclaim D2

What did TSE do to make you scumread me

And most importantly what is going on in this game

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O nice

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Where are you overall

Why did your eve read develop the way it did ("develop" i.e. stop existing)

What do you feel about Creature's insistence on massclaim D2

What did TSE do to make you scumread me

And most importantly what is going on in this game

I wanted to make a statement that Eve had made a blatantly scummy post. But otoh I trust BS's and jjh's TRs on her. Also I wanted to see if she would actually vote you after I did, and she did. If she hadn't, that would've been really sketchy.

I do feel that Creat is town here, but I don't really think he needed to force people to claim like that. Especially not on Day 2 of a 17-player role madness game. (I'm thinking of the semi-open analogue of this, Mad17, where D2 is arguably the least popular Day to massclaim on.)

The basic idea is that, in response to DrDrew placing a vote on me, TSE voted me as well despite him also being suspicious of Drew. This sort of thing, in my experience, more often comes from scum.

Right now? I see there have been some new claims, so it might take me a bit to get my head around this.

I think it's more sketchy that she actually blatantly gave you her vote

That's like getting rid of all accountability in a pretty lowkey yet at the same time blatant manner

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Ok scum

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Where are you overall

Why did your eve read develop the way it did ("develop" i.e. stop existing)

What do you feel about Creature's insistence on massclaim D2

What did TSE do to make you scumread me

And most importantly what is going on in this game

I wanted to make a statement that Eve had made a blatantly scummy post. But otoh I trust BS's and jjh's TRs on her. Also I wanted to see if she would actually vote you after I did, and she did. If she hadn't, that would've been really sketchy.

I do feel that Creat is town here, but I don't really think he needed to force people to claim like that. Especially not on Day 2 of a 17-player role madness game. (I'm thinking of the semi-open analogue of this, Mad17, where D2 is arguably the least popular Day to massclaim on.)

The basic idea is that, in response to DrDrew placing a vote on me, TSE voted me as well despite him also being suspicious of Drew. This sort of thing, in my experience, more often comes from scum.

Right now? I see there have been some new claims, so it might take me a bit to get my head around this.

I think it's more sketchy that she actually blatantly gave you her vote

That's like getting rid of all accountability in a pretty lowkey yet at the same time blatant manner

Also at "TSE voted you despite it being contradicting" that's sort of a TSE thing

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What the shit happened

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Flub needs to die tmrw

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BS, what is your Doctor Drew read?

SHREDDED Lavender (9):

jjh927

,

Doctor Drew

, JacksonVirgo, Gamma Emerald, Egix96,

Yodavader

, Blatant Scum, Titus,

Wake88

(Hammer)
Gamma Emerald SHREDDED (8): Blatant Scum,

Doctor Drew

, pisskop, Egix96, Titus,

Looker

, Eve, Alchemist21

I think there are some scums in the wagons. Bolded are not conftown, where conf town means >95% town.

I would like to lynch Drew or Looker today.

Please don't put your reads in your VCA when you're doing it

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I also don't like how Looker didn't unvote fluber

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Titus, you cannot in good conscience say that Looker is town here. I understand you trusting pisskops reads, but look at their posts today..... especially in regards to Creature.

I can assure you that going after me is a wasted cause. You are the only conf town here, I am sure you can figure out why.

Also, I need to dig up Hectics quote regarding reading me from a previous game lol.

Found it.

*Points to sig*

Chenn, in what regards? You think Flub is town or scum?

I think that if looker believes grudgingly flub is town he should unvote

Also isn't flub semicleared

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Idk looker seems kind of below the surface to me

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Her answers feel evasive

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I kinda dont like the slot

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For starters why did you tunnel Titus

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Do you have a good reason to believe his role is not valuable

And if so

Why does his bluff make him scum

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You amaze me to no end

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IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE RESULT

VOTE ALCHEMIST INSTEAD OF FLUB

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FLUB CAN ONLY BE SCUM IF ALCH IS SCUM

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You're basically going "nuh uh I technically didn't say it" when you basically said it

and going "you technically said it" when what I mean is common sense

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Hi scum looking for something to distract from the game, I'm chennis

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Also Alch why did you choose to go to flub instead

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Looker is trying to appear mad while relieved and simultaneously trying to set up an alch discredit when she inevitably gets copped

Right

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No

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VOTE: looker

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Zzz kill this scum

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Don't let your dreams be memes

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Oh

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Awkward

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I am a hider. I should clarify this is the regular non-weak variety

I tracked you nowhere N3 so yeah, no
VOTE: jjh

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First things first.
Alchemist, Chennis, what are your (full) results?

I'll hold off for now for

reasons

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Actually I haven't yet

TSE, Looker, nobody

Uh

Awkward
UNVOTE:

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Anyway it's still kinda weird you didn't target anyone but sure

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That's not physically fucking possible

You would be surprised

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It was kind of obvious I did not see it, Drew

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Anyway it's still kinda weird you didn't target anyone but sure

In terms of worst case scenarios, a 10p mylo where I got killed didn't seem that bad in a game with conftown Titus who I assumed would look at my reads and keep the game together as well as Egix and possibly Lavender
Meanwhile I could conceive of just about anyone I could target being killed in some universe. It didn't seem worth it although the chance of either was probably negligible

Fair

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Anyway it's still kinda weird you didn't target anyone but sure

In terms of worst case scenarios, a 10p mylo where I got killed didn't seem that bad in a game with conftown Titus who I assumed would look at my reads and keep the game together as well as Egix and possibly Lavender
Meanwhile I could conceive of just about anyone I could target being killed in some universe. It didn't seem worth it although the chance of either was probably negligible

Fair

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Rereading the game the Creature slot is absllutely terrible

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I think lynching Alchemist today is kinda bad necause there has been objectively worse stuff this game, gobble.

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Btw the source of the guilty is pretty obvious, yes?

And it probably is an actual guilty this time, yes?

And it's failing to generate reactions, yes?

SO WE SHOULDNT WITHHOLD THE GUILTY ANYMORE, YES?

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I think lynching Alchemist today is kinda bad necause there has been objectively worse stuff this game, gobble.

Yeah I agree. But his play has been bad this game. I expect him to be a more cerebral player and he has not shown it this game.

Why do you think Creature’s slot has been bad?

Terrible responses, pushed early massclaim and kinda is just coasting now

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I think we should lynch Creature or Yoda today

Take your pick

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Actually I am fairly convinced it should just be Creature today

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Creature is scum zzz

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And you are town because?

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confirming i'm not voting right now.

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aka not hammering

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Bleh

You know what I mean

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Interesting

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So on one hand Egix literally says kill Drew tmrw if Looker is town and guess who dies. Also it makes sense for Alch to invest based on this. I also think if he was scum he had plenty of incentive and room to backtrack and not backtracking would kind of fuck him up.

Otoh Drew has been posting better and vanillaized. I think it is possible scum would vanillaize one of their own to clear them and the BG claim is kind of convenient, but still idk.

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I still think we should lynch Creature today.

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The odds of getting a scumflip on Creature are probably better than 50 50 so

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I agree with Gobble, let alch drew resolve later

VOTE: Creature

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Titus if Alch is scum Drew is probably town

And gobble is just town so Creature wouldve been hammered if scum. So you objectively should vote Creature

And if Alch is town creature is still scum so

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Yeah maybe dont complain alch didnt claim before you read lol

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No, read the thing before it

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So youre saying you and Alch are both town

Yea no

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And theres a vanillaizer who can prove themselves

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Ok scum

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Yes and there are two town neighborizers and a town PT cop

Ok

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I get amazed at this town every day

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{Creature, Drew, maybe BS, ??}

or

{Creature, Alch, Yoda, ??}

Idk

I think it's obvious no matter which one of Alch or Drew is scum Creature is scum

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Creature is usually pretty obvious as town

He does not feel the same way he does as town

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I also think role-wise Alchemist makes perfect sense with the neighborizers as false positives. Esp since Creature is scum

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And I think it's obvious we should lynch Creature today, it's likely Alch/Drew can self-resolve anyway.

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If Drew is scum they need to play around Alch and make it so he can't get any more results. Which results in him dying or being vanillaized which kind of is self-resolving. This has to eventually happen right

If Alch is scum that might be harder to resolve but I think lynching Creature will at least help us with that given night shenanigans and stufff

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This dilemma is fairly hard and clearing off of roles

either way

minus hard results is kind of silly. We're basically running in circles

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This game is hard, so many factors to consider
In this town, every player plays a part
There's scum running loose, but we can't seem to deliver
We're running in circles, the timer's tearing us apart!

Will the moon ever shine
Or are we dead by daylight?
The scumteam, on the edge of saying "victory is mine"
Why can't we seem to put up a fight?

I look in your eyes, I implore you,
Catch the Creature in which scum lies
He's a murderer, you know it's true,
So let's see to it he dies
This town has been running around
Making blunder after blunder
But I believe we can astound
We can pull off this wonder

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Vote the Creature, vote the killer
So we can continue this thriller
Vote the Creature, vote the scum
So we can see the next day come
I dare you, look me in the eye
Tell me that we don't have a chance to survive
You wanna die? I thought - not.
If we lose, at least we can say we TRIED

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If you aren't convinced you are a heartless monster

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Creature Alch Yoda jjh/BS? Seems about right

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Yea if Alch is town then that means gobble has to be scum too

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Idk man

Gobble your dayplay kind of makes it possible

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Alch is prolly just scum

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Alch Creature Yoda someone

Ez game?

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Alch Creature Yoda someone

Ez game?

If Alch is scum, Drew is essentially conftown in my mind. It also significantly raises Creature scum equity because he put Alch in a hood with Titus.

Drew being town also raises Yurkin scum equity.

Wait

If Alch is scum then Drew is prolly town

Which means Creature basically has to be scum from both our POVs

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Scum are confirmed having a vanillaizer and Yurkin was the first vanillaized.

I’m a Tinfoil Turkey so I refuse to believe scum wasted their vanillalizer on a known double voter.

Well.. apparently they did

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It's also kinda possible scum stupidly claimed analyst instead of conveniently backing off so, yeah

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Tinfoil

What if this is all theatre

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EVERYTHING MAKES SEMSE

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OH MY GOSDOODODO

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I THINK I HAVE AN EPIPHANY LEMME DOUBLE CHECK

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CONSIDER THAT NO MATTER WHICH ONE OF THEM IS LYNCHED

THE OTHER MIGHT BE BASICALLY CONFED TOWN

THEY'RE NOT GOING FOR THE WIN

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WELL NOT TODAY

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

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I should turn off the caps lock probably

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This is why EVERYTHING that happened today happened, it has to be

Alchemist doesn't do this claim this carelessly, right

Alchemist is intending to die and conftown Drew in the process, WHY DO YOU THINK DREW WAS VANILLAIZED

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THIS IS WHY EGIX DIED

ITS ALL COMING TOGETHERR

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This makes sense, the rest of the wolves are surface

Alch Drew Creature Yoda. I'm done. GG

Probably Drew/Yoda is the vanillaizer

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Creature might as well be conf wolf

Yoda is like, probably just wolf that gave up

Think about it, how much sense does it make for town to have done any of this

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Egix presented no real threat to Creature, Yoda, or Alchemist

Yet Egix dies

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It's not a tunnel when it's obviously true

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2 masons, innocent child +, doctor who can selfheal, cop.
Yes. At least one from tracker/ PT cop should be mafia, else town is very OP.

No, there are literally neighborizers

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Alch rolewise could be scum or town, BS

Stop trying to rely on setup spec in a role madness

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Look at motivations

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Such as: WHY would Alch basically doom his slot and conf Drew's slot

Because a team of shallowwolves that might fall apart is trying to propel a deepwolf to endgame.

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Such as: WHY would Alch basically doom his slot and conf Drew's slot

Because a team of shallowwolves that might fall apart is trying to propel a deepwolf to endgame.

I think the simpler explanation is they assumed I wouldn't reset and a dumb town would follow me.

I mean I guess

That doesn't explain why he doubled down

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What's wrong with setup specing?

It inherently gives scum control because scum know more about setup and can manipulate setup spec.

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I've said this literally a million times in FakeGod games, guess I finally have to say it here

Town should play conservative w/ setup and not fuck around with it if they don't understand what they're doing with setup, and... we don't understand what we're doing with setup so let's not rely on it?

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Yeah, Alchemist is scum, but that's not remotely why

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VOTE: alch

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Yeah alch is scum, we're wasting time, can we end this

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Actually a kink in my theory is Alch should've known Drew had a hood

His play doesn't seem to suggest that

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I meant more leaving the PT cop to just roam free all game, even though town PT cop would be their biggest threat.

In Alchemist's defense, scum vanillaized the known role n1, the doctor n2, and went for the win n3 in a scum!Drew world.

I just don't buy scum!Drew letting me live here. He'd be better off with the same night actions and Egix dead.

This is probably not true

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Wait

I was reading your second line and I thought it said something it didn't, now I'm just confused

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Hmm

I think it's just {Alch Creature someone someone} and Drew is just town now

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Hmm

I think it's just {Alch Creature someone someone} and Drew is just town now

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This game is hard

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I think if Alch is town lurkers are more likely to be scum because they're just letting the Alch lynch happen and are content with this

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This is interesting, but it seems like it can quickly become a tool for confbias.

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I think at this stage focusing too much on activity rather than motivations is distracting

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I think Yurkin is less likely to be town than you think, BS is not conftown by vanillaizer because scum have incentive to vanillaize a doctor if they have said doctor (esp if N1 there's no vig shot).

I think BS is town but not for reasons scum can wifom

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Like of course, we're not lynching either of them, no

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But I think you've written off both of them maybe when you shouldn't have

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because scum have incentive to vanillaize a doctor if they have said doctor (esp if N1 there's no vig shot).

Do you think scum would actually vanillaize their own Doc instead of just lying and saying he was vanillaized?

Same difference

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Either of those lead to the same conclusion

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I agree

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Also coloring a bunch of VCs, while marginally helpful, is not the same as actually offering commentary

I think you're hiding behind your tools gobble

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because scum have incentive to vanillaize a doctor if they have said doctor (esp if N1 there's no vig shot).

Do you think scum would actually vanillaize their own Doc instead of just lying and saying he was vanillaized?

Same difference

Not n2 with this many investigatives.

For BS, he could have so many lies as outs if anyone died.

Why would they vanillaize their nightkill tho

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But yeah that's true if he was scum he could have a ton of excuses

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Yea I agree w/ that

Maybe they're scared if their NK doesn't go out I guess, but that would be pretty unlikely

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Fair enough

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I sympathize with being too lazy to use notepad and having to say literally everything I think in thread, that's literally my playstyle

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-3 posts in day one?
Shame on you, Chennisden!

You should be proud of my achievement, rather than degrading it

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Yoda you don't feel offended enough and it feels weird

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Gobble I am rapidly losing faith in your slot, pls dont do this to me

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I think it's a good thing you're trying not to ATE

But I think you have an overreliance on not seeming scummy rather than gamesolving.

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See the thing is

I think that Alchemist is a much better town player than the player that I see in this game.

No u

A lack of critical thinking.

We all have our bad moments

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I keep hearing that too much emotion comes off scummy, so I try not to get rash one way or the other.

Why are you so preoccupied with not looking scummy? You have said this multiple times now this game.

Petit: everyone had that thought apparently.

Chennisden, do not lose faith. If we lynch a scum today, I should basically be cleared.

Pedit2:

Yoda, what is your role again?

Yes the problem is lynching scum though

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I still think Creature is a really really good lynch

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Gee thanks

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F

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Begrudgingly, I admit Alch actually has a lot of good points

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I dunno.

I don't think Alch would have been able to prepare these answers effectively as scum.

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But also... I feel literally the same way about Drew

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It's very interesting Alchemist didn't target Titus instead. I would've thought the alternatives were Pisskop is FN and Titus is just scum, or both of them are scum - in which case it'd be optimal to target Titus.

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Btw I actualy think we might not be in mylo

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There should've been at least one quickhammer with how carelessly we have been throwing votes around

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Which makes Alch more likely town.

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This setup seems townsided, so

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I do get that

I just doubt it's mylo due to how ppl have been playing

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This setup seems townsided, so

I disagree because we have 0 useful information today.

The guilty is incredibly useful, so

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I don't think it's necessarily obvious, but I think it will be soon anyway and Alch is probably getting lynched regardless

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I said that, not Titus so ya fair pt

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Wtf

You were already voting me.

BS does that often

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I am concerned that Drew does not seem to really care that from his perspective if he was town, he would have a caught mafia 100%. That would invigorate me to find their buddies. He does not seem to be doing that.

^^^

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I also don't think it's unlikely that scum has failed quickhammering at least once

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So the "yurkin quickhammer" idea is possible

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Ok, but it's mylo, all it takes is two town voting, so

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The fact that the guilty hasn’t been discussed more is also interesting..

We've been discussing it for like 20 pages

^^^

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Ok, but it's mylo, all it takes is two town voting, so

That's why Alch scum leaves me alive

Why do you believe Egix would not have voted Drew as well, considering his last post is literally "we should kill Drew tmrw"

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Agh I wish you didn't do the guilty in the hood

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Yeah, but there are so many games where you feel like you'd be so disappointed in someone if they were town ergo they're scum and then they're town

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Agh I wish you didn't do the guilty in the hood

Why?

Because I can't parse it because I can't read it

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I believe Titus is confbiasing to some extent here

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Counterpoint: If Alch is scum he can tell his scumpartners

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Yeah...

If I wanted to end the game as scum I'd be screaming "LYNCH HIM I HAVE A GUILTY"

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Alch also botched his claim so

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Ok

What I'm having trouble seeing is

Alch is scum. He has the patience and forethought to claim to only Titus instead, BUT he fucks up his claim, goes about the guilty sloppily, and is on course to getting himself lynched

So Alch bigbrained and smallbrained???

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I’m going to be so angry with you Chennisden if you’re scum playing me like a fiddle right now.

You better not be scum either

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Titus you are confbiasing pretty badly

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Titus you are confbiasing pretty badly

No. I'm not. I listened to the arguments and responded to them.

I am pretty sure that Drew was actually vanillaized.

Why did you want to lynch Creature over deciding the truth of the guilty?

Because the guilty can self resolve

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I hate to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy.

Titus, you've viewed everything through a lens distorted by your steadfast belief that Alch is scum. I'm not arguing that he isn't. But I believe that in your insistence to get him lynched, you've ignored parts of the game that didn't fit your narrative when trying to get him lynched. Even if you strongarm the lynch through and Alch flips scum, your confirmation bias allows scum to put themselves in a very good situation.

JJH, Alch is just scum. The names are the conftown and everyone who has been vanillaized.

Plenty of reasons vanillaized neq scum

I am pretty sure Yurkin is demotivated town. He isn't sure if the Alch lynch will hit scum but he just wants it over with.

I need all town on the Alch lynch, so I am not complaining.

I know one of you, yoda, and gobble is town.

The other is Chennis or Creature.

Alch is at L minus 2.

You hand-wave logical points against yurkin with "oh but Alch is scum, so ignore"

I am concerned that Drew does not seem to really care that from his perspective if he was town, he would have a caught mafia 100%. That would invigorate me to find their buddies. He does not seem to be doing that.

One of my concerns is the creature vote he 'forgot' about
Not sure of much of the context but that looks like a side-play

But then Alch updating his claim is weird too

I don't feel Gobble is genuine here. I've worked with Drew most of the day.

No. If Alch is scum you should have all the more reason to believe she's town considering she'd be in a way better spot if she bussed as scum.

Ok, but it's mylo, all it takes is two town voting, so

That's why Alch scum leaves me alive

Why do you believe Egix would not have voted Drew as well, considering his last post is literally "we should kill Drew tmrw"

Yeah it was. But Egix is slower to post, less emotional and Alch has less game experience with Egix.

I don't believe town Alch checks Pisskop n2 and botches his guilty claim like this in mylo.

- And Egix is also less likely to change his position and would do it slower, and was already for lynching Drew, you really think guiltying Drew works that much worse with Egix?

- You believe Alch scum has the forethought to put the guilty in the PT instead of screaming it, which would've been objectively better for scum btw, but also doesn't take the opportunity to back off when it's obvious he should and messes up. So he comes into today with it planned out and seemed to have it all planned but he just conveniently screws up, yay!

immunity to kill by any form including lynch is deathproof

He played consistently with it though. You didn't.

No

immunity to kill by any form including lynch is deathproof

He played consistently with it though. You didn't.

I’ve already had my role verified when I claimed my result on Pisskop. Drew could claim any role that got vanilaized.

No. Your role wasn't verified with your result at all. It was easy to fake.

Drew could claim any role, but he's consistent. You weren't.

I think you're thinking it was really obvious you were Masons because you are a Mason, but from what I gather it wasn't obvious to a lot of other people.

immunity to kill by any form including lynch is deathproof

He played consistently with it though. You didn't.

I’ve already had my role verified when I claimed my result on Pisskop. Drew could claim any role that got vanilaized.

No. Your role wasn't verified with your result at all. It was easy to fake.

Drew could claim any role, but he's consistent. You weren't.

I knew Pisskop had a PT coming into D2. How is that not verified?

I had already claimed the mod confirmation of pisskop. It could be guessed we were masons.

That's speculation but the fact is you knowing pisskop had a PT or not is a sideshow. It doesn't prove PT or Traffic Analyst.

See above

Fmpov the guilty has resolved. Why would scum let the PT cop alive?

In what is ostensibly mylo - when scum purpotedly need ONE more mislynch - you never consider scum fails to vanillaize him because of any combination of the following reasons:
1) They can't
2) It benefits them to get his claim doubted - "If he's so OP how has he not been mislynched?"
3) Even if he gets a guilty there are a myriad of things the guiltied person can do. FOR EXAMPLE, point out #2, which Drew did repeatedly

Titus, you're the conftown. We need you to be able to take the aggregate of all of our POVs, put it together objectively, and come out with the solve.

[chennisden]

Holy fuck that was the longest post I've made in a game of mafia for a while.

[chennisden]

BS town I'm fine with, I think Yurkin is a slot that has significant potential to be scum though

[chennisden]

I don't think so. It's a pretty small price to pay to coast for like... the entire game.

[chennisden]

I think looking at "oh he was vanillaized" is really wifomy and coming up w/ a read independent of that first is helpful. I think "vanillaized" is just a detail to consider in an overall read.

[chennisden]

Yea... if he was scum he could've just kept quiet and shot you guys. Since he would've known you weren't scum

[chennisden]

Also Drew feels coasty.

[chennisden]

I'm looking at

Creature Yurkin Alch/Drew maybe BS

[chennisden]

Them both being scum kinda makes sense though

[chennisden]

Creature is the one I'm most confident on

I really don't feel like I'm capable of sorting between Alch/Drew with confidence today

[chennisden]

Yurkin and Maybe BS are educated guesses at this point

[chennisden]

You know in a test when you're like, "I don't know the answer, I just know it's Not B or C"

[chennisden]

If you think about it, Alch/Drew is just a really hard True/False quiz

[chennisden]

{Alch Creature maybe jjh ???}
{Drew Creature Yurkin BS}

[chennisden]

If Alch is town then Yurkin and BS are just... scum

[chennisden]

See, the blatant voteparking by slots who've coasted the whole game are the reason I'm really hesitant about lynching Alch right now.

[chennisden]

I totally empathize

The feeling that Alch is scum... but also the feeling that in feeling that Alch is scum, we're ignoring a lot of important stuff

[chennisden]

Gobble would have to be scum for Creature to be town

And both of those independently aren't very likely, so.

[chennisden]

Right... flub would be another easy mislynch for scum, so no real reason fro Alch to clear him.

[chennisden]

And if Alch was planning to do the 1 mislynch for 1 scum trade he would've... guiltied Flub?

[chennisden]

SOS

This game is hard

Send help please

[chennisden]

And look how far we've gotten with that

[chennisden]

You haven't even voted creature, and you shame me for doing the impossible of -3 posts

[chennisden]

Gobble would have to be scum for Creature to be town

And both of those independently aren't very likely, so.

I don't see how this is true.

Look at the Creature town setup.

You can't bitch about me being confbiased and not reassess your own conclusions.

Working off of quickhammer opportunities. Drew and Gobble were on

[chennisden]

You hand-wave logical points against yurkin with "oh but Alch is scum, so ignore"

There is no logical point against yurkin. The only point against him is that his posting slowed down after he was vanillaized. So did most everyone.

How about the really weird vote

[chennisden]

What was Yurkin before they were vanillized? What were you before you were vanillized, Drew?

Yurkin was double voter.

I was 1 shot bulletproof.

Alright, here's the result.

Alch has a guilty on Drew allegedly.

Unless it is from the hood with Gamma.....he is lying.

Drew claimed vanillaized before the guilty.

Alch asked if vanillaized players retained PTs. The mod said yes. If you didn't think Drew was vanillaized, there would be zero need to ask.

Oh is that true?

That's a hard scumslip then why didnt you say this sooner

VOTE: alch

[chennisden]

O seems theres some confusion

UNVOTE: for now, hopefully stuff os clarified

[chennisden]

Nice