Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

no he at one point basically said i was guaranteed town

[OkaPoka]

actually he spent almost the entire game treating me as lock town until uh something very naughty happened

[OkaPoka]

just like volpe townlocked me in baton pass and then turned on me given the opportunity right

Did he actually say you townslipped? Because that’s irrevocable?

Hectic can’t redact this. He can’t later claim I didn’t actually townslip. Saying you townlock someone is different than saying they townslipped. If he ever walks back on that, he’d be essentially scumclaiming.

"in retrospect nancy faked it"
or
"nancy drew 39 has been killed"
or
"nancy its lylo ive trusted you this entire game you gotta trust me its x"

[OkaPoka]

piss what are your updated thoughts on krazy

[OkaPoka]

piss would you ever be so naughty as to purposely buddy one person for your scum gameplan

[OkaPoka]

how do you choose who to buddy

[OkaPoka]

huh?

[OkaPoka]

ok

[OkaPoka]

I need this case because there are one or two posts in question on krazy that made me completely read flip and I need to hear whether you considered these posts and what's your take on it

[OkaPoka]

if you zoom into the picture there is some pixelated pear in the background

[OkaPoka]

eddie you cant complain about the lobby not voting with you if your case consists of trust me and my team

[OkaPoka]

Why not?

because then you would have to become radiantcowbells

[OkaPoka]

im calling u boomer

[OkaPoka]

eddie what is ur thought on pine/piss/pops as a team

[OkaPoka]

eddie what is ur thought on pine/piss/pops as a team

Piss vs elsa?

elsa is a flex pick into a lot of teams but also elsa i think pairs somewhat nicely with hectic

[OkaPoka]

im not even voting you ;-;

[OkaPoka]

man eddie's readslist is very close to my readslist on january 5th 11 am pst

[OkaPoka]

man eddie's readslist is very close to my readslist on january 5th 11 am pst

have you posted a reads list?

i have a discord with a bunch of names in different orders

[OkaPoka]

man eddie's readslist is very close to my readslist on january 5th 11 am pst

have you posted a reads list?

i have a discord with a bunch of names in different orders

can you vote pops?

i need to reskim starry night first

[OkaPoka]

i dont really think pops is scum lul

[OkaPoka]

Pops gimme an eddie case

[OkaPoka]

shut up eddie ur presence will undermine the war effort

[OkaPoka]

afaik your case on him is solely based on him outting the hood

[OkaPoka]

out the secrets of the ancient worlds

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pops

HOLY SHIT :O

[OkaPoka]

dude i really think its pine/piss/pops agh

[OkaPoka]

nah

[OkaPoka]

bad case try again

[OkaPoka]

pops ur making it very hard to not lynch you

[OkaPoka]

lets see that eddie case

[OkaPoka]

See guys? See how you're all burying Pops now that I brought it up? This is why I don't need to case.

KRAZY CASE WYA

[OkaPoka]

Her actually referencing Doc rolecop shots is weird.

Right, because for Eddie outing the hood to have actually helped scum, they would have to both be town... but she voted him in that post so clearly she didn't think that.

Yeah, that's pretty nasty.

I'm not voting Eddie for having actually assisted scum as some sort of punitive vote for a misplay. I don't know who you're confusing me for, I hard-defended a townie who faked an innocent on scum once, that's how interested I am in narrow-mindedly punishing bad play.

I'm voting Eddie for being very flippant about revealing the neighborhood as a slip that he forgot it should have impact at least x% of the time, the times he's misread me and I'm town, but he mistakenly substituted it having impact 0% of the time because he's scum and he's been discussing the neighborhood arrangements in a PT for days.

If Eddie was 100% sure I'm scum, the scumslip definitely evaporates to nothing, but he asked the mod to replace me for not being protown enough six posts prior which is a bizarre thoughtprocess for a scumlocked slot, and subsequently numerous times he's made it clear I'm not scumlocked.

why does outting the neighborhood make sense for his scumplay? like what was his motive? what did he have to gain?

[OkaPoka]

u cant use flex

im making new buzzwords and flex picking is going to be a new buzzword

its trademarked

[OkaPoka]

flexpicking^tm

ty

i got flamed for this last one

but how do you like

"setting up wincons"

[OkaPoka]

Her actually referencing Doc rolecop shots is weird.

Right, because for Eddie outing the hood to have actually helped scum, they would have to both be town... but she voted him in that post so clearly she didn't think that.

Yeah, that's pretty nasty.

I'm not voting Eddie for having actually assisted scum as some sort of punitive vote for a misplay. I don't know who you're confusing me for, I hard-defended a townie who faked an innocent on scum once, that's how interested I am in narrow-mindedly punishing bad play.

I'm voting Eddie for being very flippant about revealing the neighborhood as a slip that he forgot it should have impact at least x% of the time, the times he's misread me and I'm town, but he mistakenly substituted it having impact 0% of the time because he's scum and he's been discussing the neighborhood arrangements in a PT for days.

If Eddie was 100% sure I'm scum, the scumslip definitely evaporates to nothing, but he asked the mod to replace me for not being protown enough six posts prior which is a bizarre thoughtprocess for a scumlocked slot, and subsequently numerous times he's made it clear I'm not scumlocked.

why does outting the neighborhood make sense for his scumplay? like what was his motive? what did he have to gain?

He is universally townread right now.

But that's not why he's been universally townread is it?

[OkaPoka]

If I am one of your top townreads why did you naked vote me earlier?

And not only that, in her subsequent posts, she never even explains that.

Eddie brought this up in neighborhood PT
My post is missing a comma of direct address. "Who's your townreads? "Krazy, okapoka and pisskop". I'm scumreading Krazy but I'm not confident about it

sorry what?

[OkaPoka]

oh k

[OkaPoka]

still have the eddie question though because im not exactly convinced by your case

and i dont think you would be pushing this hard against eddie for the reasons you listed

but you are treating this like omg end is neigh

[OkaPoka]

my solve is heckboy/popsof-inscum/pairbondedpoisons with an outside flex of okapolka

“Pairbondedpoisons”?

Na and Cl are very dangerous when un-ionized

[OkaPoka]

Okapoka he is bragging in the thread about endgaming me

what threshold do I have to meet to feel a little bit apocalyptic

wait are you serious

[OkaPoka]

EDDIE GET IN HERE

[OkaPoka]

are these accusations true

[OkaPoka]

thats kinda funny but not that spicy

[OkaPoka]

It'll be hilarious if Eddie and Pops is TvT, which is kinda what I'm leaning towards right now.

i thought that all the way back

[OkaPoka]

but then

pops lines of thoughts are still too wack yo

[OkaPoka]

but then

pops lines of thoughts are still too wack yo

Can't make my mind up on this. The lines of thought are great when you look at them from the right angle, just trying to figure out if that angle is from a townie acute mindset, or a scummy obtuse one.

is pops anakin skywalker

or

DARTH VADER

[OkaPoka]

like ok ive actually recently been in pops shoes similar in baton pass where i went sicko mode on rc

and contextually it was decently similar

but like i feel like pops is still missing a kinda important part of what i think a townie would do here

[OkaPoka]

And what's that? Unless you're intentionally withholding that for now.

i am intentionally withholding to see if pops does it or not

[OkaPoka]

I don't think a scum pops would torpedo herself

[OkaPoka]

on purpose***

[OkaPoka]

Oka you think pops is town? Where do you see the torpedo

im leaning towards pops being scum but still mulling over it

torpedo is in response to nancy thinking about pops

[OkaPoka]

its monumental

he's all grown up now

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pops

l1

[OkaPoka]

if the possibility of a ddl wagon ever arises please tell me ty

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: eddie

))

[OkaPoka]

is there a way to disable emojis

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pine

okay it was a fun ride everyone

[OkaPoka]

this comment will make me a very evil person and called very mean things such as insensitive to real life

but pine is strategically lurking methinks

[OkaPoka]

and i feel like with how the thread is moving

there is a decent chance that eddie/pops could be tvt but also if we lynch one we are going to chain lynch the other and i dont feel confident enough on marking them SvT yet

with that said

back to pine

[OkaPoka]

Oka I'm not not voting either krazy or pops, at this point. Even if 1 of the 2 is town.

thats fine by me

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: ddl

[OkaPoka]

Nancy you really need to shutup about Math

[OkaPoka]

because nobody cares

[OkaPoka]

Nancy what if I just bullied you the rest of this game about your play in baton pass

[OkaPoka]

nancy not even titus is sheeping mathblade's reads ree

lets lynch ddl tbh

[OkaPoka]

Only acceptable way of playing chess is in voice call with 3p second timers

[OkaPoka]

That's just antichess

[OkaPoka]

E?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pine

remake this wagon i think

[OkaPoka]

Whats the case against pops again i forgot

[OkaPoka]

Sorry Krazy what exactly is your theory against eddie?

[OkaPoka]

this is not dva i remember

[OkaPoka]

i have no motivation lol

[OkaPoka]

omg this is convenient

@unwnd is pops buddying me

[OkaPoka]

I am not reading a 97 page game

Hello who wishes to interact with me

welcome to team mafia where your teammates can catch you up okay bye

[OkaPoka]

I am not reading a 97 page game

Hello who wishes to interact with me

welcome to team mafia where your teammates can catch you up okay bye

Wasn't your M.O in the last game as scum we played being dissociative by saying things without any previous reasoning behind it

yes well to be fair when everyone has you on their PoE its just time to antispew lol

[OkaPoka]

What does antispew mean btw?

creating false associatives

doing random shit to hope that town will read into it

[OkaPoka]

u on ur teams disc unwnd?

[OkaPoka]

u on ur teams disc unwnd?

[OkaPoka]

bruh you don't want to read the game what you want

[OkaPoka]

wtf are you doing unwnd

[OkaPoka]

Someone iso krazy and see if he mentioned his teammates helping out

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: unwnd

[OkaPoka]

@eddie its time for you to dunk

[OkaPoka]

DO YOU THINK EDDIE CANE IS SCUM

[OkaPoka]

i think unwnd lynch > pops

[OkaPoka]

lost in the commotion is

where is pine

[OkaPoka]

tbh i dont feel good about any lynch

[OkaPoka]

i feel like every slot has a > 50% to flip town

[OkaPoka]

Not for mee

[OkaPoka]

Yesss the ppp

[OkaPoka]

PPP requires krazy be a blood sacrifice

[OkaPoka]

Pops

Sacrifice to the blood God

Eliminate unwnd

[OkaPoka]

You think pops is fake spewing you since PPP might become mainstream?

[OkaPoka]

To be clear PPP theory was established like an irl week ago

[OkaPoka]

Well the question is is pops antispewing

[OkaPoka]

Synonyms

[OkaPoka]

Piss remember when you betrayed the PPP

Time to betray them again

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pops

[OkaPoka]

Lmfao

[OkaPoka]

Has chennis been coaching you on buddying me

[OkaPoka]

He's betrayed me multiple times

[OkaPoka]

What is this, some sort of suicide squad?

[OkaPoka]

Wow chennis wow

Surprised ank doesn't want to gut me, ank usually doesn't like me

[OkaPoka]

At least the PPP is definitely not all town

[OkaPoka]

Although

The PPP was surprisingly avoidant on sacrificing krazy to the blood God even though they gave me lip service on my early push on krazy

[OkaPoka]

Ik ank is on Eddie's team

[OkaPoka]

U mean. L1

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

Elsa come vote pops so I can hammer

[OkaPoka]

I want to hammer

[OkaPoka]

Ok but unvote so Elsa cant

[OkaPoka]

Not now we have some lurk fucks

[OkaPoka]

We need to bully pine for doing real life activities

[OkaPoka]

Yall just baiting elsa

[OkaPoka]

(expired on 2020-01-13 00:24:16) to hammer

[OkaPoka]

Wow ok I guess just let people lurk

[OkaPoka]

Pine ddl

[OkaPoka]

Oh yeah elsa

[OkaPoka]

SO DDL IS ONE SCUM RIGHT

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: UNWND

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: PISS

[OkaPoka]

killing pine is an omegalul move

[OkaPoka]

maybe its unwnd + ddl

team i didnt read the game

[OkaPoka]

not my neighbor

[OkaPoka]

HOW WAS YOUR CATCHUP UNWND

[OkaPoka]

Now that its been proven you were wrong on ppp
why dont you chillax and be a cool penguin?

smh you killed pine just so i wouldnt push ppp

[OkaPoka]

u think killing pine frames you?

if it was a framejob its directed at the lurksacks who dont care

[OkaPoka]

i think pops flips incriminates you

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: hectic

acshually

[OkaPoka]

i think its hectic from a nka standpoint

[OkaPoka]

i think its hectic from a nka standpoint

I agree the Pine kill makes zero sense.

I don't know if Hectic scum is the best explanation though. Most people probably would have realized that Pine was lynchable if they thought he was a present threat.

assuming hectic is town pine would be very lynchable since you would have someone willing to do the dirty work

unless

: )

[OkaPoka]

pine's team are all ms boomers

[OkaPoka]

i think its hectic from a nka standpoint

This smacks of a Hectic frameup to me.

Do you honestly think scum!Hectic is going to kill the slot he was pushing?

okay what if you killed hectic to super frame pine : >

[OkaPoka]

i like the no pay attention to game theory

pine should have best name recognition to seem spooky

[OkaPoka]

but with eddie around maybe we go for a higher info lynch than ddl and slot that lynch down the line when we are stuck in a corner

[OkaPoka]

DDL is kinda cryptic but basic pressuring those type of players usually aren't that plentiful given they won't waver. Do you think DDL has some kind of particular tell that sets him from the rest of the not-so-active?

he promised to be super duper active post day 1

[OkaPoka]

i think unwnd is town

the ghost of krazy

[OkaPoka]

i had in my notes that pops and krazy are antialigned

[OkaPoka]

ok ddl

[OkaPoka]

Dont think rule of three is valid anymore

[OkaPoka]

elsa

i already gave intent and you gave conditional intent but thats nitpicking

however we had like 4 days left on the deadline and i even said that we had lurkers and yall went ahead and hammered through anyways

[OkaPoka]

w that being sAID

nancy y did you hammer?

[OkaPoka]

is elsa mad at you nancy?

[OkaPoka]

for someone who has been cognizant of votecounts for a good portion of day 1 you ended up not being sure if your vote would be hammer or not?

whats elsa feeding you

[OkaPoka]

well you outed the hood

[OkaPoka]

@micc can timestamps of hypothetical posts from private pts be posted?

[OkaPoka]

for someone who has been cognizant of votecounts for a good portion of day 1 you ended up not being sure if your vote would be hammer or not?

whats elsa feeding you

Because Piss got the votecount wrong and Amrun thought my vote was probably unnecessary.

What do you mean “feeding me”? Why does scum!Elsa get upset at Titus outing her hood with Hectic?

I need to know the timestamp of when Elsa got upset

But why doesn't town~elsa get mad at you for outting the hood

[OkaPoka]

Nancy what time is it for you on ms right now

[OkaPoka]

Did Elsa post in your pt pregame?

[OkaPoka]

If so could you summarize the pregame posts?

[OkaPoka]

for someone who has been cognizant of votecounts for a good portion of day 1 you ended up not being sure if your vote would be hammer or not?

whats elsa feeding you

Because Piss got the votecount wrong and Amrun thought my vote was probably unnecessary.

What do you mean “feeding me”? Why does scum!Elsa get upset at Titus outing her hood with Hectic?

I need to know the timestamp of when Elsa got upset

But why doesn't town~elsa get mad at you for outting the hood

She was upset when I neighbour slipped by unvoting Hectic and then outing it during his tunnelling me over the whole vote/unvote thing. I’ll be more than happy to provide any evidence that doesn’t get me modkilled.

sorry i dont understand

Nancy what time is it for you on ms right now

3:12 pm why?

question: Did Elsa get mad at neighborhod outting before or after January 2nd 10:04 p.m?

[OkaPoka]

for someone who has been cognizant of votecounts for a good portion of day 1 you ended up not being sure if your vote would be hammer or not?

whats elsa feeding you

Because Piss got the votecount wrong and Amrun thought my vote was probably unnecessary.

What do you mean “feeding me”? Why does scum!Elsa get upset at Titus outing her hood with Hectic?

I need to know the timestamp of when Elsa got upset

But why doesn't town~elsa get mad at you for outting the hood

She was upset when I neighbour slipped by unvoting Hectic and then outing it during his tunnelling me over the whole vote/unvote thing. I’ll be more than happy to provide any evidence that doesn’t get me modkilled.

sorry i dont understand

Nancy what time is it for you on ms right now

3:12 pm why?

question: Did Elsa get mad at neighborhod outting before or after January 2nd 10:04 p.m?

Okay wait so if I understand this correctly

She got upset you outted you were a neighbor but did not get upset when you outted her as a neighbor?

Did you get upset at pops/eddie by any chance? If so which one

[OkaPoka]

EBWOP: Did Elsa*** get upset at pops/eddie

[OkaPoka]

first game related post was before or after January 2nd 10:04 p.m

[OkaPoka]

Well that timestamp in question is when you displayed disdain at Titus outting not when Titus outed.

Now I need to know if she posted at all in the pt before she posted in thread.

[OkaPoka]

I need to know what posts Elsa made before 10:04 P.M. January 2nd ty nancy :3

[OkaPoka]

but did she get upset at you for full revealing the hood?

[OkaPoka]

Content of those posts?

[OkaPoka]

Content of the post(s) before 10:04 Jan 2nd is what I mean

[OkaPoka]

Don't worry you aren't posting exact timestamps I'm just getting a timeline in my head.

So Elsa made no posts before

10:07 p.m.

Jan 2nd I assume?

(Not 10:04 its 10:07)

[OkaPoka]

Okay so time line is

10:04 P.M.

Elsa makes one post about not outting the hood

10:07 P.M.

Elsa makes her other three posts?

ty for the help nancy : )

[OkaPoka]

Content of the post(s) before 10:04 Jan 2nd is what I mean

Just the first one about not revealing the hoods. The posts before that weren’t game reated.

Wait so the timeline is

Not revealing hoods post
10:04

Or
10:04 then
Not revealing hoods post


Elsa what am I doing that's got you all riled up

[OkaPoka]

I'm just asking for a timeline of events, before and after certain times that will become relevant if this leads somewhere

[OkaPoka]

Votecount 1.24

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

If Titus, Oka, Piss, Krazy are all town, what exactly was Pops scum partner doing while I was fighting her and the counterwagon? Bussing? Lurking? Food for thought, because I had 5 votes against her 5 at one point.

Would you believe me if I voted you for data collection?

[OkaPoka]

Content of the post(s) before 10:04 Jan 2nd is what I mean

Just the first one about not revealing the hoods. The posts before that weren’t game reated.

Wait so the timeline is

Not revealing hoods post
10:04

Or
10:04 then
Not revealing hoods post


Elsa what am I doing that's got you all riled up

@nancy

[OkaPoka]

oh

[OkaPoka]

sorry nancy

[OkaPoka]

this post was made at 10:04 pm your time

Why tf are people outing hoods?

dont worry i got micc to approve the post

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Titus

This Penguin can't be trusted.

If they flip scum then Hectic is town, but yeah. Don't do something stupid like just give scum that info for free.

this post was made at 10:07 pm est

i assume since micc approved last post this post is ok too

[OkaPoka]

originally i was going to go through every detail on why nancy thought elsa was town through pt but thats not allowed

but if I were to do that I'd line up hypothetical pt posts and its content and see if Nancy made posts indicating a certain points of views expressed in the pt. I'd mark down in a spreadsheet if Elsa made posts in the pt that expressed points of views Nancy shared before or after Nancy's public posts.

If after = signs of buddying

If before = signs of being townie

Just a hypothetical for anyone with access to the Nancy - Elsa pt :devilface:

[OkaPoka]

Well you could comply?

[OkaPoka]

Or you could screw off for now.

some pretty interesting reactions

why are you so hostile ?

[OkaPoka]

For someone who was openly okay with hectic dancing with the rules, rulebreaking doesn't seem like a reason at all for your hostility.

Is there something in your pt that you dont want shared to the rest of class?

[OkaPoka]

Hectic had a team wide gimmick and his play was the equivalent of quoting his team's posts

That's a massive tactical advantage especially if he has someone on his team with certain tells

[OkaPoka]

As for cheating for a tactical advantage

I was asking for before/after a certain post, so I guess saying specific time is no bueno but its equivalent of me quoting a post and asking before or after which is fine by my interpretation

[OkaPoka]

Ur a doodoo

[OkaPoka]

Buddying isn't just influencing

Having someone willing to defend you is enough

[OkaPoka]

Vote me elsa

[OkaPoka]

I've seen this elsa before

In gim

[OkaPoka]

Flipped red in that one

[OkaPoka]

And yet you were an ass in that

[OkaPoka]

Maybe being an ass is just a scum elsa trait

[OkaPoka]

Lol you didn't get ganged up buddy

I got ganged up for not wanting a 3p to win

[OkaPoka]

no there is still some masking clearly of protecting the doctor

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: elsa

Case later

[OkaPoka]

Elsa do you have any other opinions on this game?

[OkaPoka]

Because day 2 all you've said was how much you like Nancy and how much you hate me.

And if you don't want to vote me... what do you want to do?

[OkaPoka]

bruh why

[OkaPoka]

the value of doc existing might make scum make bad nks tho?

[OkaPoka]

i think this is a mistake

but if your really confident in this ill out

[OkaPoka]

having been a victim of doc saves and jk saves in a game

i think the value of a doc existing and blocking kills is just very very high for town

[OkaPoka]

my solve does not change if we out or not

i vote no

[OkaPoka]

i suppose there is value in one specific player being doc

[OkaPoka]

neighbor w unwnd

[OkaPoka]

im going to have serious flashbacks to dance games

[OkaPoka]

YO DOES ANK FINALLY SCUMREAD ME

[OkaPoka]

GOD BLESS DDL IS THE DOC

[OkaPoka]

eddie - pops (deceased)
titus - hectic
okapoka - unwnd
pine (deceased) - bob
nancy - elsa
amrun - nacl


ddl

[OkaPoka]

okay so who has been buddied in their pt

[OkaPoka]

as a person who has played a few dance games

there is a reason why the people who suicide are almost always t-t pairs