In post 522, Formerfish wrote:
Ok, I just don't often ask people im scumreading why they are scumreading other people.
I wasn't so certain that I wasn't willing to listen to anything they had to say.
In post 522, Formerfish wrote: In post 512, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't like how he came in and gave inconclusive reads then townread everyone, it looks scummy to me, and so i thought Cephrir's vote there made sense.
Fair, how is Dann hitting you now?
Not certain but from skimming new stuff I don't think I'm interested in voting there today, at least.
Lady 9
In post 522, Formerfish wrote:
I've just seen play from scum recently like that where they legit said nothing and somehow a couple of newbies sniffed her out and we lynched there, that was in the infamous newbie 1942. Again Im a sucker for recency bias.
OK, but Joan does it as both alignments
In post 525, Formerfish wrote: In post 366, Formerfish wrote:
T: Ceph, Hop
TL: Kitty, Espy, Gob
N: Dunn, NSG, Joan
SL: Auro, Wgeurt
S: Dann, Dong
I feel like there have been a lot of changes to these reads since i caught up and interacted with different people.
I feel like im more here now.
Why does everybody have me as null? Are people afraid to try to read me or do they not bother to read what I'm saying?
In post 527, KittyMo wrote:He started with RQS, and while I do acknowledge that it's something people may consider doing to some degree before the game thread opens, all of my previous personal experiences with RQS are (1) the person who does it is town and (2) they are inevitably pushed on by people because it's a safe starting point to look at motivations behind, moreso than it being an easy thing to look like you're doing something. So weak read, but this game fits the second half of the pattern at least and I think doing RQS is more town than not because it is ballsier than it looks.
I wasn't pushing him because of RQS though, and for a while I was the only one pushing him. Also, I'm town. So... I don't buy into any of this
In post 527, KittyMo wrote:Bruh, be real with me, did someone coach you to do/say this? You prodged Friday (promising stuff Saturday), Sunday (promising stuff Tuesday), and then again on Tuesday. So what I get from that and this explanation is that you had stuff you thought was worth addressing over the weekend as of Friday, then on Sunday went "ehhh I'm going to take this opportunity to lurk to watch activity levels" instead, and then got actually busy. What would an activity level change have indicated to you? I've never really been in a position where I cared about watching activity levels in relation to myself - because I know my alignment already, so I don't know what there is TO watch from that? Like if there's a defined narrative involving other people and no one's challenging it, that's a game state worth examining and can be telling. If you wanted to stop posting to let pressure on you taper from everyone's boredom, I'd rather you just admitted it. Otherwise: please clarify.
Yeah I think it's bogus
In post 527, KittyMo wrote:I don't really see the OMGUS bit as contradictory. Like, I wouldn't say he OMGUSed Auro/Dann really for pushing him regarding RQS, and he implied his interactions with Ceph were giving him flashbacks to a situation where gobble was TvS (odd thing there now for me is, as mentioned earlier, progression on Ceph).
My problem was that he acknowledged that he gets scumread day 1 by people who don't understand him, then turned around and basically individually proclaimed that everyone who was scumreading him was suspicious, and it didn't make sense to me.
In post 527, KittyMo wrote:Like...I think you can think you have good reads/insticts without relating to those kinds of players/playstyles. I take it as more that he feels like he should be valued more than he is, more than he thinks he's better than other people. Not quite sure I am looking at this from the same angle you were, but I think these viewpoints can coexist.
OK. I think he was being arrogant which was what he was condemning other people for.
In post 527, KittyMo wrote:
I kinda vibe with Dannflor's "hyperactive" take in that gobble's initial approach to the thread initially feels ...frenetic? brazen? in a way that I don't think unconfident scum hoping to just set up his teammates for the win tends to come off. I wish this was a stronger read???
If he thinks highly of himself then I disagree with this.
In post 533, Donempire wrote:Auros not my scumread, i think that defending himself isnt indicative of scumminess but rather misplaced focus. Espeonage is my highest scumread right now and former would have to come second though its not half as strong as esp.
I misread
531, I guess. Or rather, I only read the bottom half
In post 534, Donempire wrote: In post 341, gobbledygook wrote:
Dongempire backing off Cephrir seemed like he realized he went down the wrong path trying to get people to scumread Cephrir. I also feel like Hopkirk is reaching with some of his analysis (particular when it comes to me), but he is very funny so I will townread him to keep him around longer.
I want to vote NSG because she is playing into her scum meta that I saw in Alternative 9P. I find it odd that no one else is commenting on that. It seemed like it was common knowledge across the site since other payers in that game also made that observation.
VOTE: Dongempire
I'm going to only say this once because everyone seems to be getting the wrong idea. I'm not scumreading cephrir. I made
322 and the former vote on him was because i viewed his playstyle as pretty shitty and the way he engaged with gobble and auro the same. At that time i didnt know what to make of his posts but i didnt like them, but the reason for my push on him was that his playstyle was both lazy and didnt allow for more discussion. If you're going to push on me please dont all use the same shitty excuse, especially when its wrong.
Well all you did was naked vote so don't get mad at people for assuming things, especially when you're voting not because you scumread someone but because you don't like what they're doing
Starting to feel like the posts that made me unvote him earlier came about as a result of coaching from his team - I don't like this post, it's like he stopped solving and is just here now, hoping people don't vote him.
I disagree
In post 553, KittyMo wrote:
I am also wondering on what basis Dunnstral is trying to read Auro himself, since a lot of his content around Auro is pointing out things Auro is being attacked for that appear to be in Auro's town range. Maybe I should like Auro more for living in the thread.
I'm not going to be able to get a read on him while he's defending himself. I think he's correct in his defense. People are saying it's caught for the wrong reasons, I think he'd do it as town. I didn't say he was town, I said the reasons he were being scumread were bad and his defense was correct and what he would say as town (probably as scum too though, but not only as scum).
In post 553, KittyMo wrote:I have a grasp on why you like Hopkirk, but I don't on why you like Auro. (Fun fact, his name shows up in your iso 38 times).
I get that you've posted more since this but my name appears in yours almost as much as Auro's does in his right now. And people are talking about lynching Auro.
In post 559, BBmolla wrote:I've met Mathblade and Titus through meetups, and I literally went to school with DEB (and boonskiies and espressojet and loserdudeog etc.) so according to discord I was the one on the replacement list they were most familiar with
I heard this is the most boring game in Team Mafia let's fucking make it a party homies
This is a very NAI response, but I like it, because I would have assumed they would have picked you to play as scum over the other choices.
In post 578, Dannflor wrote: In post 515, northsidegal wrote:i apologize if this is frustrating, but my team unanimously agrees that it's best for me to spend my time elsewhere. if i don't get nightkilled this game will be my first priority tomorrow.
NSG, I have to say that this rings hollow. You've done nothing today and seemingly don't plan to do anything. Why would you be the night kill? The sheer force of reputation on your team is not enough to offset the complete lack of effort you've put into this game and the threat other strong town players in this game might pose.
More importantly, a scum lynch day 1 in white flag would be absolutely devastating to the scum. Yet, a scum lynch becomes much much less likely today without your vote and voice. This 20 page game is not long enough to warrant not at least skimming and giving what thoughts/directives you can; in addition, this game
should
be JUST as important to your team as any of the others; not only because day 1 is so important in this setup, but because all the games in TM are weighted equally. Your win here counts just as much for your team as winning any of the other games. I don't believe waiting till D2 to post increases our win chance in this game. So, I really don't see why it would be best for you to not spend time on this game.
Surely RC has considered this, surely you have, and the rest of your team. I didn't have a problem with you claiming IRL matters were getting in the way, but this reads as a lie. Are you just bored with this game? Is your team as a whole disinterested? Why?
What exactly are you thinking?
True, all 4 games are worth the same. Maybe the large theme is worth more. In any case, she should probably be playing in the game she got put in if she's playing in all the others (which is what she's claiming, I think)
Cool
In post 593, Hopkirk wrote:Kitty’s wallpost only style isn’t one I think I could ever comfortably townread based on what I currently look for to try and find scum. It feels too uninteractive while being in a cheeful tone that makes me want to townread it followed by me asking myself why.
As a preface I'll say I don't auto-townread people for wallposting. Right now I'm townreading both of Formerfish/Kitty for their wall posts, and I feel more confident about those reads than my other reads. They both seem genuine. IDK how they would play it as scum but I think it would show. Kittymo is strangely interested in me, though. Also, I wouldn't describe her posts as 'cheerful tone'. I think her avatar is tricking you into reading it like that.
In post 596, Hopkirk wrote:
Well I assume I didn't really joke at all in that scumgame and I've joked in all of my towngames recently and OH GOD IS THAT THE MODS WITH A HAMMER OH PLEASE NO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE LESS SERIOUS AND HAVE MORE FUN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT MODKILL AGH WHY CAN'T I FEEL MY LEGS WHY'S IT GETTING SO COLD
More seriously and with less joking around, haven't we played several games together where I was town too?
Where exactly am I not obvtown? :( :good:
:cry: :cry: :cry:
I find it difficult to townread you when you're putting on an act
In post 622, Hopkirk wrote:Oh the Auro wagon has half shifted so keeping it up is less pressure than I thought. Sure.
VOTE: Northside
Hop 'Hopimilius' Hopkirk
I don't like the way you are justifying switching your vote off of Auro here, or that you're announcing that you're voting people for pressure
In post 623, Dannflor wrote:I'm probably like
Auro, Hop, Dunn
Cheeky, Kitty, Cephrir?
-other people-
Formerfish
Dongempire, nsg
Now those are some spicy reads, in that they're completely different from everybody elses. Why are Auro and Hop top tier, and why is Formerfish below other people?
In post 636, Hopkirk wrote:FF I found it kind of weird that I clearly townread him - as Cheeky said - but he attacked a minor misinterpretation in a way that really sounded like he thought he was talking to scum-Hop.
I think this is something town is more likely to say.
In post 655, Cephrir wrote: In post 648, Dannflor wrote: In post 645, Cephrir wrote:i'm all for elitism but cliquishness in mafia is pretty annoying and over-reliance on meta is a great flaw for many otherwise good players
Is this responding to something in particular or are you just ranting
641 + 643
i was thinking of trying to make one that's why i was looking at post 0
here's something quick
Dannflor- townish
BBmolla- townish
Formerfish- townish
CheekyTeeky- scummish purely because my team didn't like your predecessor
Auro- scum, but not as hard locked as i'd like to be
Dunnstral- idk
Kittymo- town
Cephrir- very handsome
northsidegal- scum, i guess
Hopkirk- townish because my team said so
Dongempire- idk, i find this person to be low charisma which makes them a challenging read
gobbledygook- townish
Espeonage- idk
I think you had me as town earlier but now it's 'idk' - what happened?
In post 663, Espeonage wrote:I am against Lynching NSG on principle of lurkers being terrible day 1 lynches.
Fair viewpoint.
In post 663, Espeonage wrote:bc I was town and feeling happy about my ability to win the game with relative ease I probably wouldn't have told my team what my role was either.
I think you're being strangely arrogant here, I don't think you've done all that much in this game.
It sucks and she's doing us a disservice but I don't think that's a good reason to be wagoning her.
In post 699, KittyMo wrote:Scum or not, she's basically banking on her paragon reputation to prod dodge to delay her slot contributing anything substantive until d2, and pretending that this is pro town.
True but same thing as above
In post 703, Cephrir wrote:If you are town, you're likely dead tonight anyway. Who else are they gonna shoot, me?
If you think this, why would we lynch her day 1? It doesn't make sense.
In post 710, Espeonage wrote:That people who are defending Auro are going yeah ok its anti town, but it's also what he does so he's town.
That doesn't answer the above. Are other people trying to protect Auro's scum game for him? What you said in
682 seemed to imply people talking about their own scum games, not other people's.
In post 718, Espeonage wrote:Dunn 346's counter point to Kitty's claim that Auro is posturing as caught for the wrong reasons was to say yeah but he does this all the time. Which was one a found as soon as I started looking.
You think I care about 'protecting Auro's scum meta' by sacrificing this game or whatever? What are you on about? You're not making any sense right now.
Stop saying this please
I'm not
bad
at reading him, which is what you're making it seem like I'd say I'm pretty neutral
In post 723, Auro wrote: In post 721, KittyMo wrote:Yeah and since Dunn implied he isn't good at reading Auro I don't get why he cares so much about trying to bring in Auro meta.
Meta works in two ways.
1. Auro does X as scum and never as town, he must be scum (or) Auro does X as town and not as scum, he must be town
2. X is an invalid reason to scumread Auro because I've noticed it in his towngames
You don't need to be good at reading Auro to make the second point.
@Kittymo
This is the kind of post that I read as a product of Auro defending himself, where he's technically correct but I don't get a read out of him, but which I definitely wouldn't vote him for.
