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[Volpe14]

Btw where is your current avi from

I found it randomly on pinterest on saturday I think

it's original character I'm somewhat confident

[Volpe14]

Sadly the best way to preserve the health of the game thread is to not talk about the game and endlessly post fluff

The way to preserve the health of the game is to sheep the guy who's trying to solve it.

Right and commuters are anti-town.

[Volpe14]

I"m terrible at fighters

[Volpe14]

I'm also terrible at mafia

[Volpe14]

I'm terrible on finding good chara avatars too, I might give up

[Volpe14]

Ok my team almost never talks too much in the PT but we're now having a very very serious discussion about south park

[Volpe14]

It's never going to be over this game is a shitposting fluff fest now

[Volpe14]

kuribo want 1v1 with some HEAVY AtE to show nomnom how weak sauce she is being here?

[Volpe14]

kuribo I think that reply is actually kind of scummy to be fair because like, I was kind of not talking about nom being scummy or towny and I expected you to reply joking back?

[Volpe14]

maybe not scummy just a bit out of what I expected

[Volpe14]

Volpe14 - Mahou Shoujo

Why

[Volpe14]

Can we talk about games I know

I don't get references to nintendo games or mobas

[Volpe14]

If anyone is wondering what games I know you'll need to pay to unlock that content

[Volpe14]

VOTE: nomnom

[Volpe14]

VOTE: Elements

[Volpe14]

V/LA until 01/09

[Volpe14]

What are your thoughts on volpe again?

For why?

"what are your most confident town reads Elems?"

"Volpe, FL, Fark"

some hours later-

"Why you town read volpe again??" - Elems

Ok that really seems like a natural thought process and thing that someone with your reads would focus on in this moment.

[Volpe14]

Ank I think one of us is town reading scum and I thyink it's you don't matter how much times I try to reconsider this game (I think it's in the two digits now)

[Volpe14]

2. Do we still believe nom is scum? @volpe, @daves

I believe she should be sent to the dead thread anyway soon which isn't different

[Volpe14]

I think if Elements is scum one or both of Gamma/FL might also be scum.

I still worry about my neighborhood in general too, and GIF has also become

very silent with this mislynch on my slot stepping on the horizon

.

Actually the lynch looks like it's Elements and it seems you've no real opinion on the wagon...

[Volpe14]

Hmm, I think nomnom can be town but I think I might have been right about FL in most of the alternative universes that exist as long as GiF/Fark/Chennis is town

I do have in my mind the thought of Chennis being a cute deepwolf but I would need to check later his scum game to see why RC was thinking about nomming him for DC. But I wouldn't really go for this route in Day 1.

Hmm, I'm pretty satisfied with Elements and his sudden 180 on my slot while FL tried to low-key insert paranoia here makes me think it's a pretty ok pool for day 1.

But I see how you might not TR GiF or TR FL.

I think I'm really tired of this game by this point and would like for the lurkers to step up so that we can kind of end the day or I watch you guys wagon someone else without doing anything.

[Volpe14]

I also think that there's been very low-keys attempts to redirect elements wagon here without denying his wagon directly so I don't buy that this can't be a scum wagon by gamestate.

At this point I'm kind of confused about the whole game and just praying for any kind of confirmed info I can use to advance.

[Volpe14]

Chennis tried to go for nomnom

FL has been quiet talking about smash before trying to hint on me being deepwolf

Gamma voted Dave without much of a reason when the Elems wagon picked up

A50 went to DEB again

Nomnom didn't comment much about Elements wagon and tried both GiF and Farkran

DeasVail went for nomnom and didn't comment much about the whole nomnom's AtE thing, but didn't deny the Elements wagon

might there's some more but I forgot probably

[Volpe14]

Coincidentally when FL starts talking about me Elements comes to the thread to do a 180 in his read on me & cast shade instead of talking about anything Chennis/Nomnom when he said they were his suspects...

I really have trouble believing that the slot is coming to natural conclusions.

[Volpe14]

To be fair I don't think scum!FL has a lot to do here even if he's not partner with nomnom or Elements. If he is, he is probably having trouble going for anything here because I do think that there's a lack of room for original pushes and the best it could go for is trying to turn on me (which I'm feeling it's beginning) or Gamma/DEB etc, but I don't think they could actually create a counterwagon on anyone else right now to be fair.

If he's scum with nomnom he would probably feel comfortable pocketing Elements and casting shade for a mislynch

If he's scum with Elements he couldn't go for nomnom here without it looking weird

If he's scum with neither he don't need to do anything other than to preemptively cast doubt on me for the future failure

If he's town I feel like he would have more drive on flops, original takes or anything really. In the begin he had but as soon as he got in a more delicate position I only saw him retreat and shadow me (look at his ISO and everytime I back down he comes in for me even after saying "help me" or etc).

I feel like FL scum equity as long as my town reads are mostly right is kind of through the roof right now but /shrug

[Volpe14]

FL is probably the second highest poster but I don't remember him having any kind of new take it's been a long time, do you?

[Volpe14]

If Vope did the same thing I probably skipped it cause lol Vope.

What will you do when I flip town?

Volpe I really think you need to drop the paranoid lens you have on this game and come back with a fresh mind. It's clouding your judgement on a few slots I believe.

What do you mean by relevant? Elements does not seem markedly different to me tone or content wise from any previous game I remember. I don't remember if I have seen scum!Elements before. I find other people's reads far more important than what he's done. I don't think it's a useful wagon unless there isn't anything better.

I just think you Volpe and Chennis make mountains on completely asinine things

It's explicitly a waste of time, you didn't miss much

[Volpe14]

Hmm I had thought about a good idea of what to do

[Volpe14]

UNVOTE:

[Volpe14]

Btw, skitter still insists Volpe is the Scum in your hood (if her reads mean anything at all to you

If I was scum she probably would be townreading me to be fair...

Like, honestly skitter, supposing A50 is town and this is genuine, what kind of one-dimensional scum player you think I'm?

It's exactly because I did open buddying in my recent past scum game that I would play another way, I didn't open buddy anyone in BP for example, although I did WK. I can play scum in different ways and the fact I used such an obvious antic of my recent scum game just goes to show that I wasn't really that worried about how I'm perceived by others as much as I was worried about effectively wagoning people to get the gamestate to move.

Rant off...

[Volpe14]

This is where I am after reading Day 1 during the night phase:

Townies who can fuck my mom gang style like the secondary characters in my stories on Amazon
MariaR
VexVience
DeasVail
FlavorLeaf
chennisden

Leaning Town and can star in a steamy romance instead of erotica which coincidentally is also availble on Amazon
Volpe14

1) why is FlavorLeaf/Vex top town for you

2) How did I go from your hardest TR to "lean town"?

[Volpe14]

Everybody’s part of the conclusion we lynch in the Commuter group, right?

No?
-----

Also, I feel like kuribo did put Vex in the towniest section suddenly just because people had said they felt better about Vex in day 2 start and that doesn't look good at all

I was starting to wonder where you were

Working and wishing I was nightkilled to be fair...

[Volpe14]

@FL: Why do you think Farkran was the NK?

Volpe was probably trying to frame me. But Fakran had just started to town read me, so I’m just being annoying by saying that.

I feel scum just wanted to kill someone who wanted majorly change the way the game was going, mixed in with most players town reading them. Usually low presence kills like that are a sign of scum trying to coast the game, and keep it the status quo.

Like, I think this far the agenda coming to this day is becoming obvious and I'm surprised no one is talking about this?

[Volpe14]

ok scum

...

[Volpe14]

ok scum

but then stuff like this just makes my scumsenses tingle

+1

[Volpe14]

Had to check Nibbui/Fumuki/Yurrei. My conclusion is that a lot of his town games are a lot more calm,

This is akin to a scumclaim to be fair?

I'm not kidding

My recent games with each breakdown I had in each of them (I have lots):

Normal Colors I had a big fight with nomnom/oka (scum) and with everyone else for not following me on them

Fumuki most recent town games are Hope One Plus/Open Bunker, in Hope I had a major fight with RC, in Bunker I had a fight with awstful or something (both RC and awstful were scum too by the way)

Yuurei most recent town game I had a major fight with Gustavo.

Niko's Large/Fumuki's SE Newbie were the unique times I was mislynched and both were because I annoyed everyone by being so aggro.

I used to have a lot more free time than I currently have so I was as active as I was in weekends the whole week, and because of being so vocal I naturally got into heated arguments with other vocal players.

This is literally horseshit. As town I'm a lot more aggro than as scum. There's no way that someone seriously paying the

minimum

attention to my games wouldn't notice that.

[Volpe14]

I want to lynch Volpe, but I’m not gonna tunnel, so after the lack of response to my last activity push, I got demotivated.

I find it pretty funny that you/nomnom are always here trying to warm up a lynch on me but when it starts losing heat you back down again and completely avoid pushing me by yourselves.

"I don't want to tunnel" in your confident SR + skitter (which you trust apparently) SR?

That looks less like you guys don't want to tunnel and more that you're afraid to push me on your own. I've never seen town!FL afraid of just starting to go for a confident SR.

[Volpe14]

Ok I think it's kuribo/LF/nomnom

[Volpe14]

I think FL is skirting around, kuribo is lol pushing EP to get FL last man standing ability (as he overreacted to elements) and nomnom is taking the same approach she has taken with elements and not getting her feet warm in the most hot wagon of the day that it's not me.

In the hood I made clear that I was commuting Ank. I think that a scum team outside of nomnom/FL especially would kill either me to frame them or Ank because she would have such a good solve by TR both of them/me.

They killed Fark that was lukewarm about nomnom, FL, Gamma, Ank and that the NK wouldn't make a nomnom/FL team look bad.

I don't see Ank as scum here so the most reasonable deduction is that it's probably FL/nomnom. Alternatively almost all the scum team is in the lurkers but I think I would go with the first guess.

[Volpe14]

We know as a fact that elements was town and the ultra lynchbaity in the game. Do you think that scum see'ing me pushing them would likely jump on it like Ank?

I don't think so. I think scum see'ing that wagon would get a bit shy about it and even kuribo voted elements mostly behind the shield of "it's trust tell and needs to die" which isn't like kuribo was actually scum reading Elems or at least he could have passed off like that in the next day.

There was two people that besides me paid attention to Elements:

Ank and Fark, and I think in the hood I said about me giving town points to them (and one of the reasons I commuted Ank anyway). One of them flipped town, do you think Ank isn't?

Nomnom/FL were also shading Fark by the way while I was town leaning the guy (and I'm see'ing the same pattern to their treatment of Ank).

VOTE: flavor leaf

I think I scum read FL even more than nomnom.

[Volpe14]

FL going back to push me when people began to doubt me, again, and nomnom trying to 180º me, again, kuribo dropping their "hard town read on me" as well, all fits an agenda in my vision.

But don't expect the same intensity I had in Day 1, I was pretty clear about noping out of this game there.

[Volpe14]

The agenda of killing me/GiF before nomnom as well gives nomnom the last man standing + 2 mislynches if she was scum so let that sink in when considering FL/nomnom.

[Volpe14]

FL/nomnom conviniently forgets about GiF or me and remembers us as soon as someone else brings it up too.

nomnom in day 1 was focused in:

Fark, GiF, me. (even before the hood thing, notice).

2 of those are her hoodmates and Fark is dead.

In the hood nomnom said for me to stop confbiasing her slot and lynch GiF if she was "nightkilled" (why the hell would she be NK'ed?). I replied back that she at least should give me something more relatable about suspects other than GiF since we would have a 4 man scum team anyway.

She stopped talking/didn't reply back there.

[Volpe14]

town!FL that is confident on me being scum + has skitter hard supporting him doesn't avoid pushing me to skirt around.

He just doesn't. That's BS.

[Volpe14]

Fark was the best NK for FL/nomnom and a below average NK to a team outiside of nomnom/FL that should be more worried about Ank the paragon reaching the conclusion that it's a lot of TvTs.

Ank wasn't nightkilled and is getting pushed today.

I don't buy that.

I think Ank reads right now is serving scum and they couldn't get her when I made it clear that I was commut'ing the slot.

Fark also had hot takes on nomnom/FL although was more lukewarm recently therefore it would less bad (as it did) to them.

[Volpe14]

You're ultra tunneled.

That's all you've to say to me?

You were literally super suspecting me but suddenly I'm not a plausible scum pushing you but you go direct for "You're tunneled!"

Your "scum slip" on GiF too, already gave up on that?

This is ridiculous.

[Volpe14]

If for 2 days straight you have the same read even after a V/LA there is a serious problem, so either you are playing terribly as town or this is just a scummy way to pass by.

Your posts literally contain nothing pertinent to the gamestate either it's just self centered and you went past through everything else, it's crazy.

I hard tunneled mutant for two days in PicketyPickety while everyone was calling me silly and town reading the guy.

He was scum.

If you want to convince me otherwise do more than 180º everytime your scum reads, say unreliable meta you clearly didn't read or give us one-liners.

[Volpe14]

Nah you aren't changing your view naturally

you bring up crap about GiF and me, but forgets as soon as no one picks track, and keeps pursui'ng it for a while if someone entertains the idea

Your Chenn vote right now is a sheep wagon again

Is there anyone other than nomnom/FL/kuribo reading the thread right now? I want to talk with someone else. Especially you Ank.

[Volpe14]

Both of us aren't the lynches today either so that's why I am asking you to stop being tunneled hardcore.

Why aren't you lynches today?

What kind of conceited view is that?

Also weren't you pretty hot on lynching on hood today?

180º without reason again?

[Volpe14]

pedit: rofl a sheep vote. Okay you clearly didn't read the game.

@chenn you also did something like this back in Korina's cultafia game, in which you (as cult) tried to weaponize your domino theory against my reads lists.

VOTE: Chenn btw

VOTE: Chenn

How Chenn act reminds me of how angry he gets as scum. This is within is scumrange.

[Volpe14]

Gamestate where people I feel ok about are getting wagoned instead of the people I suspect.

Ok, why wouldn't I ignore it and just keep pushing my scum reads...

I don't think it's impossible EP, DV or Chenn are scum, but I feel better about you guys lynches so...???

I tried to reconsider many times this game but I just don't see why first any other slots.

I'm gonna go back to lurk, I said what I wanted to say in this day phase.

[Volpe14]

If nomnom/LF are town I think [Espresso/DV/Gamma] has to have scum and you guys are already pushing that. But I think my guess is right...

Dunno, back to not doing anything useful.

I know saying this looks like pre-position lynches but f Espresso/DV flips town I just hope someone will listen to lynching FL especially. I can't be bothered to try strongarm'ing this again.

@Ank ask duck what his read is on me since most other teams seem to be "scum reading" me. Let's see if duck will go through a redemption arch in his reads on me (no pressure?). I think his current stats are kind of improving to be fair.

[Volpe14]

didn't see that vote before posting

it's pretty cute

nomnom you put yourself in the position I wanted to be fair

You're making this a 1v1 again which if you lynch me, I get a rest of this game and you probably get lynched somewhere down the line if town be reasonable

If you get lynched, I'll be happy too.

I'm pretty ok with that vote but I want to keep myself on FL a little bit to make him go for me too. 2v1 here sounds better post-flip imo.

[Volpe14]

I refuse to believe that a townie would go this fencesitty on the gamestate and say "yeah they could all be scum but my reads are better". Nah, even someone like RC who's likely to pull that shit off would tell you why you suck at this game and why those people are not scum, or at least why they're not lynch worthy.

RC as far as I know wanted FL/you dead so either GiF is scum or...?

I'm not see'ing your point, I never said tried to do any reputation dick measuring either, I'm just saying I've my own guesses that aren't popular currently?

Like, how you come to this kind of conclusion anyway if town? In your opinion I should just vote DV/Espresso/etc because consensus is on them right now?

Consensus is always right...?

Like...

[Volpe14]

"these top wagons? nah no thoughts about them die scum".

You

literally

did that when you voted Fark from nowhere with a "die scum"

But ok

[Volpe14]

????

I'm at loss of words.

Can't wait for someone in this playerlist to proclaim this is a TvT again btw.

[Volpe14]

Nah I just can't let that go through. I refuse.

Spoiler:

[Volpe14]

That post is just after FL posting this:

Commuter Lynch Preference

Flavor: Volpe, GIF, NomNom
A50: Volpe, GIF, Nomnom
Ankamius: GIF, Nomnom, Volpe

so by that point I began skimming a bit the thread because I thought the whole convo was going nowhere.

[Volpe14]

First I thought about engaging you in that wall kuribo

But next I thought more about it

For third I concluded that if you're going to swear each 2 words said I feel like my brain is better off finding other anime gifs to post. It's pretty tiresome to engage in that kind of convo.

[Volpe14]

I did notice it.

But I just thought that made it look like you were planning on giving Flavor a TR either way. Maybe you first gave him a hard town read, forgot about it and put him in the lean town too.

/shrug

I don't think what you say about it can be of any use if I don't know your alignment and that's not really my major point about you?

I don't care if it's town lean or hard town, it's still a town read on FL/nomnom + pushing Espresso which gives now FL ability.

That's my main point about you.

[Volpe14]

And like, you're clearly conditional on FL/nomnom and I'm not even pushing you right now, I just think that if FL/nomnom is scum, especially FL, you need to go.

/shrug

[Volpe14]

You don't think that if FL was scum he couldn't have killed EP last night and gotten the ability for himself?

That would look...very bad.

Flavor: "I would WIFOM it, I'm perfect scum"

me: ok.

[Volpe14]

why would town!FL even call you SK with no double NK...

[Volpe14]

You know Ank, I'm just gonna treat you as my mason now that Fark is dead. I don't feel bad about GiF and I do understand he might have IRL reasons but his lack of reply in the hood makes me want to move you to my top town read.

By the way we should retire after this game.

[Volpe14]

What's your class or favorite class in FF14 ank?

[Volpe14]

I didn't even know about that class to be fair

[Volpe14]

Machinist in stormblood was basically spam your ogcds on cooldown and manipulate your heat gauge so that you would overheat at the same time that your burst tool would come off cooldown

Then you would spam 50 abilities in 10 seconds

Rinse and repeat, with the caveat that any minor mistake would drastically cut your dps and the class would be outright unusable if your ping wasn't great

Now it has a similar feel of having burst windows and a lot of stuff to do, but it's way more intuitive to figure out and isn't anywhere near as conditional

Hmm, I'm kind of more into action RPGs to be fair

I appreciate turn based but I like the thrill of reflexes

I was recently hyped about Blue Protocol but I wonder if I'll ever get to play it while I'm interested.

[Volpe14]

Anytime I try to make a push it's shut down. EP is: TBTBAW or 'I don't see scummyshit'
DV wagon got 1 vote
Don't think people wanna vote Gif/Dave

Guess I'll just go sit in the corner

I don't think you were shutdown, there's a good number of people voting EP I think

[Volpe14]

Maybe it's because I'm more obnoxiously loud to be fair, so I distract too much the game from other directions when I'm posting

Hmmm

[Volpe14]

I don't feel good.

[Volpe14]

I'm sick of this game to be fair.

[Volpe14]

Supposing I'm wrong on FL/nomnom, scum is probably in at least a good chunk of the lurkers out of A50/Ank/GiF and haven't been doing anything in the grand scheme of things

Supposing I'm right on them, town hasn't done much to help me here and it has been mostly been me screaming to lynch scum while people look elsewhere

I'm just tired of this schtick. It's been like this since very early day 1 and up to now nothing has changed other than the fact there has been gradually less posting since Night 1. I feel like we are almost on loop, look at that Chennis/Espresso wagon again, this 2v1, Ank getting doubted again. People talking about dave/GiF but no one going anywhere with that.

It's literally almost a loop from day 1 with a slightly different order of events.

[Volpe14]

Supposing I'm wrong on FL/nomnom, scum is probably in at least a good chunk of the lurkers out of A50/Ank/GiF and haven't been doing anything in the grand scheme of things

Supposing I'm right on them, town hasn't done much to help me here and it has been mostly been me screaming to lynch scum while people look elsewhere

I'm just tired of this schtick. It's been like this since very early day 1 and up to now nothing has changed other than the fact there has been gradually less posting since Night 1. I feel like we are almost on loop, look at that Chennis/Espresso wagon again, this 2v1, Ank getting doubted again. People talking about dave/GiF but no one going anywhere with that.

It's literally almost a loop from day 1 with a slightly different order of events.

There's literally nothing that resembles day 1 though? You're the only one that came up with the exact same reads as day 1 and you got called out for it.

You need to like, reread this game and pay attention.

Just stop talking to me honestly nomnom. I feel my brain cells dying everytime I see your posts and I think maybe you feel the same about me so that's not good to anyone.

[Volpe14]

@Volpe - what do you mean Ank getting doubted again? Why should I have her as lock town? I’m allowed to think about my reads and I actively stated I wasn’t going to push her today. She asked about it even. I feel that’s a very reasonable place to be with regards to her slot.

Fakran has just town read me and switched over to Ankamius in his last 2 posts.

Ank also said anyone would kill Fakran, which I already disagreed with for Ank, so how come it specifically comes back to me?

I have actively not been okay with EP, and going over those odds
I straight up stated I wasn’t going to push a wagon on Ank here. (Probably not, or something of the Like was said)

I even started looking OUTSIDE the commuter neighborhood that I was tunneled in.

Like, to me, it seems like it doesn’t even matter what I do, you’re just going to force it into some scum narrative. This is the main reason I am lean scum with you, now Skitter also agrees with that, amongst a few others. This also coincides with you being in the hood you are.

Ok FL, sure.

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna treat Ank as my mason and GiF as the backup mason, and keep commut'ing Ank. I don't think it's impossible for either to be scum but it's the best TRs I've now.

UNVOTE:

Ank, I'll swing around Monday or Tuesday and if by that time you've someone you feel like it's good to push outside of GiF/A50, I'll sheep.

[Volpe14]

I think given volxen/nomnom interactions they probably aren't partners

By the way I've seen personally town!volxen lurking out and coming to react to weird things in Open 740 I think. The second run of the Red Flag setup hosted by NSG. I think he was wagoned in a similar way there too so not convinced that this is scum!volxen opposed to keep'ing my read on nomnom.

Anyway I already promised to sheep Ank.

If nomnom/FL is town I would say volxen/DeasVail/DEB/Espresso probably has scum on it but...arguments above etc

[Volpe14]

VOTE: nomnom

I'm voting nomnom here but I want us to:

1) Use the most of this day phase since we've already lost half day 1 because of the modkill

2) I don't think nomnom/volxen is SvS therefore if volxen is ever the scum slot in that duality, I don't want to get it wrong because I feel like today lynch is going to determine a lot of what happens in day 3. I want the replacement to actually play the game. Replace him with someone that can be minimally active at least, we've enough low posters in this large game.

[Volpe14]

I don't like the re-fixation on Volpe, the importance of noting Volxen-scum --> Volpe-scum (makes me worried about nom-scum/volx-town tbh)

I'm more worried that nomnom is actually bussing right now to later try frame but again, she pulls this same shit tunnel as scum so /shrug

This certainty that volxen is scum is really, really weird. If she was so confident on skitter like that she would have tunneled me way sooner since skitter has been SR'ing from the start.

I feel like she's just using skitter name as a shield to tunnel here but I'm also not interested enough on this that I don't care.

[Volpe14]

I remove my town read on Espresso by the way. I'm just noticing the fact that they are avoiding nomnom as much as nomnom is avoiding their wagon.

[Volpe14]

I'm more worried that nomnom is actually bussing right now

If that's really what you think I'm doing then there is literally no downside from your POV about voting Volxen here. Just saying.

Also I sheep skitter in this very specific instance because I do see what she's talking about regarding Volxen, it was a short game and she carried 2/2 whereas she didn't in your game, of course I'm sheeping that read.

Vote Volxen with me now.

I've no reason to believe with this certainty that volxen is scum here at the moment. His lurking/replace patern is

exactly

like the second Open Red Flag. He also was wagoned the same way there and distracted from real scum.

He can be scum but there's no reason to not wait his replacement come here and give more posts. His slot currently gives actually no useful info at all either way.

If he flips town I'm going to want to lynch in my current PoE, again.

If he flips scum you're apparently going to frame me.

There's no reason to start with volxen instead of starting with us and resolving this tension first. It would let the game flow a lot better.

[Volpe14]

Actually wait, if volxen flips scum I'm not sure I still want to lynch nomnom but this tunnel from nowhere is really weird so I couldn't shake it off either way.

The moment I said nomnom v volxen is probably never SvS people began to massively wagon him and that's creepy.

[Volpe14]

If volxen flips either way it's going to be the same "asinine 1v1" in Day 3 so no reason to lynch completely outside of that tension especially if you SR me like you said.

[Volpe14]

Like, delaying tension by lynching outside of it is exactly the kind of thing scum!me does because it makes mislynch'ing in later days a lot easier

example: pisskop/A50 wagon in Day 2 C9++. There was clearly a tension in TW that did need to be resolved for the gamestate but people kept delaying it for silly reasons (like A50 lurking or PK playing around) and it cost them the game in Day 3.

This is what is really asinine, if you've such a tension where both sides believe the other are scum (no backtracking for you/FL to say that I'm not scum now). Volxen has barely been wagoned and you were already connecting me with him. If you SR me that much (by the way skitter also SRs me) you've no reason to go outside of me.

Unless...

You know you don't win a 1v1 right now and want to go for either a easier lynch at the moment or bussing a partner to discredit me/Ank/other people later.

I've a lack of reasons to TR volxen but I've actually reasons to SR you in my opinion, even if you think it's bad.

/rant off

[Volpe14]

Nobody is going to seriously lynch you or me today it's a literal pointless discussion that will clog this thread once more like it did before

I want to flip you

Ank wants to flip you

DeasVail wants to flip you

Chennis probably can compromisse on you

GiF wants to flip you

Vex probably can compromisse on you

Only from the top of my head there's 6 votes out of 9

I'm not see'ing how you or me aren't viable here. Even from your point, there's FL/you/A50 that already SRs.

It's a pretty better duality lynch than wagoning volxen out of compromisse/apathy.

[Volpe14]

Ok if volxen flips scum, where would you look at?

[Volpe14]

Wait, I meant if volxen flips town, where would you look at?

[Volpe14]

You've apparently have me/Volxen/Ank as SRs but if Volxen flips town none of that applies anymore?

[Volpe14]

Ok I re:read a bit and it seems you didn't get back to SR Ank after her vote on you (what kind of doesn't make a lot of sense for me because you thought she was scum for not being able to confidently sort you but...). I hadn't posted here for 2 days, I'm sorry that I actually didn't register that you made an exception in your scum reads?

You said DeasVail looks bad a bit ago, and he was scum reading you.

You did SR Farkran some time ago, he was SR'ing you.

You did SR GiF some time ago, he was SR'ing you.

You did go back on SR'ing me, because I kept SR'ing you.

Volxen is a uber-lurker that you want to powerlynch without waiting for replacement.
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Like...I just remembered you going back to conflict on Ank because there was people suspicious of Ank and I might have confused their posts with you for a bit. But I feel like the "you're impossible" is really overdone for me confusing one SR you have.

[Volpe14]

I'm going back to lurk. See you Saturday.

[Volpe14]

By the way if you want to lynch Volxen I'm not going to stand in the way as long as we do this nice graphic here:

town!Volxen - > Day 3 Nomnomnom

scum!Volxen > feel free to Day 3 me if you want but afterwards nomnom goes because this tunnel is super weird.

Have a nice day.

[Volpe14]

No I'm talking about how you act and talk in general it's really abrasive and it reminds me of how you posted in C9++ as well.

I'm the one being abrasive...?

I'm like, saying you're a SR of mine but I never called you anything personal while you already called Farkran a no-name, repeatdlycalled me bastard, dumbass, idiot, etc. Begins every phrase about your wagon or my points with "asinine", etc.

Like...really?

[Volpe14]

Espresso has there been any activity in your hood?