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[Frank]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Frank]

Ignore all claims from Flavor.

VOTE: gamma

For being someone I know in a sea of strange avatars.

Hmm

VOTE: amrun

[Frank]

Frank may as well have said nothing at all at this point

Why single me out rather than LUV or JV?

Wanna throw down a vote or just shade me?

[Frank]

Frank may as well have said nothing at all at this point

Why single me out rather than LUV or JV?

Wanna throw down a vote or just shade me?

No, but valid

I looked at both of their (few) posts, and they seemed to have more substance

Really? LUV

maybe

. But you think JV's self vote and saying they don't understand what's going on is better than me pointing out an invalid perspective on Amrun?

[Frank]

You came out of your hole real quick once you were called out, though

Frank beetlejuiced hard, and I gut want to think it was town indicative, because it was like...too immediate

Are you accusing me of performing a seance? If no, then what are you accusing me of? Explain yourself, Lip.

[Frank]

Ignore all claims from Flavor.

VOTE: gamma

For being someone I know in a sea of strange avatars.

Hmm

VOTE: amrun

I glossed over this before. Why is this an invalid perspective?

I think the only players I’ve ever played with in this game are Flavor and Gamma. I’d have to double check the player list to make sure I didn’t forget anyone.

I have a little nod to them both in RVS. What’s the issue here?

You RVS vote GE for being the only person you know, while showing that you know Flavor's meta.
You just admitted that you do know both of them, so maybe it's a bit of an overreaction, but by your RV logic on GE why didn't you just vote FL?

[Frank]

VOTE: Frank

Beetlejuicing isn’t a town tell, Flavor. I don’t think he would necessarily assume he’d be called out for it like you seem to be saying.

You've just made an enemy out of me.

[Frank]

VOTE: Frank

Beetlejuicing isn’t a town tell, Flavor. I don’t think he would necessarily assume he’d be called out for it like you seem to be saying.

You've just made an enemy out of me.

Oooh, shaking in my boots.


PS, I never said gamma was the only person I know. I said he was someone I know.

What is your stance on man cheetahs?

[Frank]

Oh. I AM the beetlejuice? I think I understand the term now. No thanks to Lip.

[Frank]

I did not expect to be read one way or the other for responding to EJ.

It just rubbed me the wrong way that he "made an example" out of me over JV and LUV.

[Frank]

JV: prime mislynch bait or newbscum?

[Frank]

rb slot, FL, Dolly Parton, nero cain. <---town, in order.

[Frank]

Really weird vibes from that last dunnstral post. 247

[Frank]

Yoink

[Frank]

Kinda want to vote dunn. Kinda dont want to move my vote off of my new enemy.

Much to think about.

[Frank]

I may have wrongly interpreted rb's complete disregard of the rules and stubborn policy lynching attitude as townie behavior. I'm not sold on the idea that I shouldn't TR him for those things at all but I think it was too quick of me to say that he is my top TR. In addition to that I don't think dolly's approach here should really warrant as much of a TR either.

It's more like FL>Gamma=Nero>rb>Dolly for townreads now.

I am interested though, Lip. You seem to know about rb's meta pretty well. Would you normally find his stance here to be NAI or are you biased due to thoughts on Dolly / the situation she created? And how do you feel about JV so far?

[Frank]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

I thought MariaR was referencing the rules he was breaking

[Frank]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

I thought MariaR was referencing the rules he was breaking

Just seems weird considering she’s a gut and tonal reader.

I don't know her. But I guess I'm interested in an answer from her about it now too.

[Frank]

And since somebody brought up Macabre, did anyone ever find out who that was? How do you keep yourself secret for so long?

I am not the one they call Macabre.

[Frank]

He’s good enough at scum to mimic any sort of town game he’d have.

So if his play this game came from someone (lets say an anonymous alt) that you don't know how to read yet, would you have leaned one way or the other for alignment?

And what's your stance on JV?

I'm not trying to nitpick you, really. I just want to get inside your head because I think you're town and would prefer to trust you.

[Frank]

Hmm, I don’t think so. I probably would have reset. Being new to the personality, I’d still probably NAI and brush it as personality.

I get why people might lean scum on it, but I really think that becomes one of the things I push as NAI, and if a wagon went on it, I’d probably try and slow it down without actual reason.

I do think you have some reasoning on it, and I get why, and you could be right. I just don’t necessarily think it is AI, but I could be wrong.

If any of that makes sense.

Who’s JV? That’s my stance and memory on that slot.

I think I see where you're coming from.

And JV = JacksonVirgo A.K.A. the person that apparently wants everyone to be suspicious of them this game. I mean, I'd quote the posts I don't like from them but it's all 6 of their posts. My gut tells me it's newbtown trying to be cute. My heart tells me that it's newbscum trying the ol' TSTBS approach. And my brain tells me there's no clear-cut "right" way to deal with them since if town I fully expect them to eventually get mislynched unless their play changes massively or town just knocks this game outta the park.

Anyway my brain is running on fumes and most of what I just said is just like, my thoughts. Doesn't really matter to me if you wanna touch on that. But if your opinion is clearer than mine I wouldn't say no to hearing it.

[Frank]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

I thought MariaR was referencing the rules he was breaking

Just seems weird considering she’s a gut and tonal reader.

When I first read this I thought she said "a few posts

that

shouldn't even be a comment right now", which is why I interpreted it as having something to do with rules. I don't have an opinion on it anymore.

[Frank]

I think I popped up in everyone's dream team so far. But only amrun is voting me.

[Frank]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

I thought MariaR was referencing the rules he was breaking

Uh what rules was Rb breaking? I don’t recall any

discussion of ongoing games.

[Frank]

Dolly, what about JV and I do you see as a potential scumteam? Pairing me with JV or Jet, let alone both of them, seems lazy/paranoid but I can't tell which. Or are you just mad that I moved you down on my townreads?

[Frank]

Dunn

Maria

Espresso

rb

Jackson

The strikes have it

Jackson

You wanna elaborate on how JV is the only one you'd lynch here?

[Frank]

fuck it
VOTE: JV

I still want answers Dolly.

[Frank]

I think I popped up in everyone's dream team so far. But only amrun is voting me.

Finger of suspicion

Which finger would you like?

Are you FoSing me? Because you've already been shading me all game and trying to call me scummy while saying I'm not a scumread of yours.

[Frank]

Dolly, what about JV and I do you see as a potential scumteam? Pairing me with JV or Jet, let alone both of them, seems lazy/paranoid but I can't tell which. Or are you just mad that I moved you down on my townreads?

If I had to pick between lazy and paranoid, lazy would win. These "dream team" reads are just a starting place for me and perhaps also for those who participate.

Okay. And how did you come to the conclusion that JV is scum and the rest of the people that voted you aren't?

[Frank]

Oh cool I'm in another dream team

[Frank]

My dream team is Frank, rabid, mariaR.

Pass to Frank.

JV, Dunnstral, Wake

if JV is gamethrowing town then replace them with Jet

[Frank]

Too much policy hunting going on.

what about the JV wagon is policy? Seriously?

[Frank]

My dream team is Frank, rabid, mariaR.

Pass to Frank.

JV, Dunnstral, Wake

if JV is gamethrowing town then replace them with Jet

I pass to LUV

[Frank]

I read JV's ISO from their first game on site and I'm definitely leaning scum over mislynch bait on the slot now.

[Frank]

I read JV's ISO from their first game on site and I'm definitely leaning scum over mislynch bait on the slot now.

Their activity, content, and confidence in that game compared to this one is just astonishingly different. And that was their first game on site, in newbie queue. All of their completed games are in newbie queue. I just feel like they would be efforting a bit more here or at least trying to rectify the goofy/bad beginning more if they were town? Like I just don't see how that's the same townie here this game.

p-edit: That seems like a really poor reason to be okay with how they've handled the day so far and the criticism directed towards them.

[Frank]

If it's scum pulling the TSTBS card, cool. Lynch it with fire. If it's town just not giving a shit at all and basically forcing them self to lynch, that sucks. But we still gotta lynch it with fire at this point. I think there's decent associations that can be drawn if they flip red.

[Frank]

They're all of him in newbie games yes, but he replaced into both of them, and if you REALLY read through you'd catch the post where he says "is this your first time posting on site?" which makes me fairly sure this is an alt account

JV, are you an alt account?

I did read through. How does them being experienced make this situation any better?!

[Frank]

Like they've got games on another site. Check the signature. Your reasons for defending JV don't make any sense.

[Frank]

Like they've got games on another site. Check the signature. Your reasons for defending JV don't make any sense.

I just have a gut feeling that this is an easy mislynch

But if I'm wrong you've got an excellent case built against him

How do you go from voting them
to reading their ISO in that game
to concluding they are not a new player
to thinking it's an easy mislynch?

[Frank]

Much to think about.

[Frank]

Hey Dolly,

Dolly, what about JV and I do you see as a potential scumteam? Pairing me with JV or Jet, let alone both of them, seems lazy/paranoid but I can't tell which. Or are you just mad that I moved you down on my townreads?

If I had to pick between lazy and paranoid, lazy would win. These "dream team" reads are just a starting place for me and perhaps also for those who participate.

Okay. And how did you come to the conclusion that JV is scum and the rest of the people that voted you aren't?

[Frank]

I don't think they are, why do you think that?

I think he comes off pretty genuine. Just noobtown who is flailing a bit due to RL issues.

^

How in the-- I mean how could you-- Just what even--

Didn't you just try to justify that slot being towny because you thought they

weren't

a newb?

[Frank]

Amrun why are you still voting me?

[Frank]

[Frank]

remind me where you want to lynch.

[Frank]

I have a feeling the game state is gonna continue to get worse and this is gonna be a landslide scum win.

[Frank]

This phase honestly feels screwed already. And I wanna say something in regards to Wake but I can't think about how to phrase it without breaking the rules. I really don't take his perspective at face value here. Even though I want to believe the claim.

[Frank]

I guess to put it bluntly, it's his fault if he feels that way. And if he's telling the truth it's really fucking unfair to make the rest of the town suffer because of a problem (that we didn't even know existed apparently) that he's made for himself.

[Frank]

A lynch does need to happen. Although it definitely shouldn't be wake. I'm still not against lynching JV as it currently stands but there's a few other slots I wouldn't mind pushing a little bit either.

[Frank]

Amrun can you explain why you scumread me and apparently now want me lynched

[Frank]

Amrun can you explain why you scumread me and apparently now want me lynched

I mean, can you ISO me? I thought it was pretty clear. You were following along the thread but not posting, only to react when you were called out for doing so, basically just to say “no, but look at these other lurkers!”

I’d much rather lynch Elsa Jay right in this minute, though.

You're still hung up on that?

[Frank]

a few other slots I wouldn't mind pushing a little bit either.

Who?

I'm hating how tight lipped RS is.

I'd be down with lynching jet or dunnstral.

Not sure if I prefer them to JV though.

[Frank]

Not sure if I prefer them to JV though.

Speak of the devil, they just finished a scum game it looks like.

Gonna take a gander at that tomorrow.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81576

[Frank]

Lets just continue on JV then

[Frank]

Got 1 free prod dodge under the tree this year. Gonna burn it now.

Happy holidays

[Frank]

I'm a n0 motivated x4 mafia cop that turns into a bulletproof miller jester D1 and I would like to clarify that elsa, flavor, nero, and dolly are all masons and I know who the scum team is but I'm not telling unless you lynch me

[Frank]

as time goes on I feel more confident that dunnstral is scum

[Frank]

I have a bad paranoia feeling Gamma could be Cross Guarding me, but i like the fact if I ever go down someone’s here to push Rabid anyways.

If we were forced to lynch between the two of them based off of their recent interaction rabid would be the lynch right?

Occam's razor and all that?

I wish we had more time left because I actually want to vote RS but leaving the JV wagon might just put us in no lynch and I'm pretty positive that's not an ideal outcome.

I really just feel like I'm rolling the dice on JV at this point. I'm just paranoid about their lynchbaitability but I guess that's not likely to improve over time without solid lead(s) elsewhere.

[Frank]

VOTE: rabid schnauzer

[Frank]

I haven't AtE'd you at all. I've used logic.

Add Flavor to my sus list.

Bye and Happy New Year to all!

so you're not planning on claiming then?

[Frank]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[Frank]

Too much foreplay FL, spill it

[Frank]

I mean Lip

[Frank]

I also received a night start PM.

V/LA next 24-30 hours.

Happy new year

[Frank]

VOTE: dunnstral

[Frank]

I don't think it's more likely for someone saying they want to vote someone "for now" to come from scum than it is from town.
Unless Rabid is considering it a scumslip, in which case I still don't see it.

[Frank]

Why fake the whole JK bit in the first place

[Frank]

I really don't care for you answering that for her but I really don't care for this game as a whole either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Frank]

VOTE: flavor leaf

let's just quick lynch this and figure the rest out later

[Frank]

assume for a moment LUV is telling the truth. for me that makes my dunnstral read wrong. FL pulled that weird gambit and his activity as a whole tapered off in a weird way that I expect from scum him. He also claimed to be able to read LUV pretty well and going off the assumption LUV is town, he's wrong. day 2 BoP on FL or lynch rabid today and BoP FL on D3. That's where I'm at.

red FL basically clears LUV and by extension Dunnstral. Then it's probably Jet and ???

[Frank]

Oh and rabid red flip basically clears FL and then we have LUV as an option again. green rabid points to scum!gamma, and maybe to scum!FL

i just don't see a reason to not lynch in rabid/FL today

[Frank]

well if we had a JK you just risked outing them over a very silly/scummy comment that had maybe a 1% chance of working in town's favor

[Frank]

and how in the world would your comment have any bearing on that happening in the first place? if that was the case and the JK wanted to out it, they sure as shit weren't waiting for someone else (i.e. you) to throw out the random accusation before they say their piece

[Frank]

are you really telling me with a straight face that you don't see how easily that could be interpretted as a JK claim

[Frank]

are you really telling me with a straight face that you don't see how easily that could be interpretted as a JK claim

Yes but it would be ME CLAIMING JK and not outing out any other JK.

How do you know I'm not a JK though?

if you claim jk, and you aren't a jk, then it potentially outs a real jk

I wish I didn't believe that you don't understand that but sadly I kinda do

[Frank]

Frank, If you want to lynch me because of this then go ahead and vote me, if not you are just being disruptive by not letting it go. Besides you are the one who wants to speed lynch FL and sort stuff out later.

I think you're bad town and me trying to sort you shouldn't be a problem? my vote is already where I want it to be, why can't I try to figure out why you're doing anti town things while doing so?

[Frank]

I'm honestly kind of pissed that you're dancing around on a "what if he was jk'ed"/"what if i'm jk"/"what if i'm not jk" scenario and you have the audacity to say that

I'm

the disruptive one?!!

[Frank]

Flavor claims an invest role D1:
People: Unvote
Luv claims an invest role D2:
People: Unvote and go back to FL
?????????????????????????????????????

actually wasnt it mason and then VT day 1, then day 2 was the investigative claim that he backtracked to a "gambit" with his role currently being in limbo?

[Frank]

oops, yeah. that

[Frank]

tbh I'm not going to give a shit about whether you think i'm disruptive while you're playing this claim game

[Frank]

Well do you actually still scumread LUV after the claim then, atleast? Did you get what you wanted?

A by-product of the JK thing is Frank's reaction to it. It doesn't feel very towny... In fact it seems more like scum trying to act like scolding town.

VOTE: Frank

holy shit if you are town please stop playing maafia

[Frank]

I like how I posted reasoning for why lynching FL or rabid leads to good associations and dolly totally ignores that, tries to say I am being disruptive while acting like she isn't claiming JK, and thinks her vote is justified.

totally fucking normal move. If you weren't so bad at this game I would vote you but I honestly completely expect you to just be bad town

[Frank]

(1) One man's bad town is another man's obvtown.

And besides don't you see how you totally re invent how the entire thing went down.

(2) First you say I put another JK in danger by saying things like that, then you say that I claimed JK myself. I get how my post could be read both ways but you are using both as an argument which doesn't jive with you original argument that I endangered any possible JK.

You say I'm bad at this game but only Town!you would know if I am wrong about your slot.

(3) It doesn't make me a bad player because I felt like LUV's claim should be more flushed out.

1. show of hands, who thinks Dolly is obvtown and found the JK thing to be pro-town?

2. softing jk or even outright claiming any role =/= me believing that you are that role. I never once alluded to or implied that you were actually the jailkeeper. I said you claimed it, or at least made a post so vague that you displayed an illusion of claiming it. In which case, yes, that could be harmful to the game if we had a real jk due to the way that they handle the situation. They wouldn't even have to outright CC you. Your response that somehow saying that was supposed to encourage a potential JK to come out and say "WOAH THATS CRAZY I ACTUALLY DID JAIL DUNNSTRAL LAST NIGHT" and that if such a thing happened it wouldn't be fleshed out naturally, is incredibly pompous and logically has zero merit.

3. Never once said that trying to sort LUV was a bad thing, in fact I have made it painfully obvious that it's the way you've gone about it that is total shit

[Frank]

Hint

Calling me bad town will just make me double down.

Dolly is bad town

VOTE: Elsa

I'm just being petty at this point but there's nothing better to do so

[Frank]

lynch flavor leaf

[Frank]

lynch flavor leaf

Meant for your scum thread?

no, why do you scumread me?

[Frank]

He didn't claim JK.

He's not

not

claiming JK

JK isn't an investigative role

[Frank]

Just lynch Flavor Leaf please. Even if not scum we get so much info on the flip this game gets so much clearer I think.

Rabid and FL are honestly the only 2 people we should be considering lynching here.

[Frank]

Gamma and FL are scumbuddies confirmed

[Frank]

I’m an investigative type of role.

Not going to claim what it actually is so hammer away.

What the actual fuck is this

I don’t buy this for a second

VOTE: flavor leaf

let's just quick lynch this and figure the rest out later

assume for a moment LUV is telling the truth. for me that makes my dunnstral read wrong. FL pulled that weird gambit and his activity as a whole tapered off in a weird way that I expect from scum him. He also claimed to be able to read LUV pretty well and going off the assumption LUV is town, he's wrong. day 2 BoP on FL or lynch rabid today and BoP FL on D3. That's where I'm at.

red FL basically clears LUV and by extension Dunnstral. Then it's probably Jet and ???

Oh and rabid red flip basically clears FL and then we have LUV as an option again. green rabid points to scum!gamma, and maybe to scum!FL

i just don't see a reason to not lynch in rabid/FL today

I don’t trust this

VOTE: Maria
I guess I can let go of LUV for now but if LUV is scum this has big partner equity and is a decent lynch on its own

"I don't buy this"
"I don't trust this"
"let's lynch this instead"

ok

[Frank]

btw scum!gamma feels threatened right now, shading me on some weak shit, pushing the counter wagon to his scumbud. He knows dolly's whole JK thing is BS but he's tmi'ing on her alignment because she's badtown and a good mislynch to keep around for lylo.

Yeah. I feel they have connections with LUV.

Gamma’s pulling a really strong scum move with his Cross Guard if he is scum, and that is definitely not Occam’s.

Cross Guarding: When a Scum attacks a townie who is attacking a townie who is targeting a partner of the scum in hopes to add pressure to that first townie and gain faith and rapport with the townie attacking the partner.

yeah this is scum FL. And the whole cross guard thing could definitely be an S/S play from him and gamma.

[Frank]

I'ma just shut up until something exciting happens then

dolly flips badtown and we gain pretty much nothing from the lynch

if I'm wrong (not) I'll selfvote at the beginning of the phase

[Frank]

Not voting FL is unwise

not voting at least one of rabid/FL is borderline gamethrow imo

[Frank]

jet dont be like this pls

vote FL

[Frank]

Sigh

[Frank]

Sigh

If it’s not you, it’s Rabid. You’re actually one of the ones I’m less sure on currently.

Dolly is lock scum, Zote is very likely scum.

It's just
I'm frustrated with you
But I guess I can't blame you

I swear i'm never on the same page as you unless you're scum

But maybe that's a me problem

In a way I guess I should be happy on how little I agree with you but i'm not

[Frank]

[Frank]

is mariar hammered?

[Frank]

is mariar hammered?

If she isn't, your vote won't hurt.

I don't like that lynch but I guess it probably doesn't matter this close to deadline anyway

[Frank]

That wasn't a vote, Frank.

and

[Frank]

Frank, did you get a message last night?

Like a night/day start message? yes

Beyond that? no

[Frank]

Is Frank more likely scum from Maria flipping town neighbor or nah?

fuck you for even suggesting this

[Frank]

I really don't understand this resistance.

It rubs people the wrong way when you barely play for two days, then come in barking orders like you're the town leader. That shouldn't be difficult to understand.

I agree with this sentiment

[Frank]

Just lynch Flavor Leaf please. Even if not scum we get so much info on the flip this game gets so much clearer I think.

Rabid and FL are honestly the only 2 people we should be considering lynching here.

What info did we get?

We don't have VCA on flavor because you dummies didn't lynch him.

So jack shit.

[Frank]

Dolly and Frank both somehow misinterpreted jailkeeper so that it roleblocks the person targeting its target, instead of the person it targets.

where in the actual fuck did I do that?

[Frank]

With that said, if frank says that he hasn't received my message

I didn't get your message

[Frank]

I’m a Neapolitan.

how the fuck is a messenger!dunn cleared by you then

[Frank]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

I Alien'd Dunn night 2, when LUV got his result night 1. Pay attention to the days.

More importantly...

I’m a Neapolitan.

Frank, did you get a message last night?

Dunn is implying a type of Fruit Vendor but he came up as inno to a Neopolitan?

lets kill all the pr claims and we probably win the game

[Frank]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

I Alien'd Dunn night 2, when LUV got his result night 1. Pay attention to the days.

More importantly...

I’m a Neapolitan.

Frank, did you get a message last night?

Dunn is implying a type of Fruit Vendor but he came up as inno to a Neopolitan?

lets kill all the pr claims and we probably win the game

[Frank]

I think any alignment can be Alien, Wake, it's just a version of Jailkeeper that also turns someone ascetic. I just happen to be town this game.

It actually correlates with your Watcher claim since he made it so you can't confirm me visiting someone if I Alien them, unlike you seeing a Jailkeeper.

I'm a semi-check to your role so you can't watch and confirm me.

you targeted a claimed innocent

if you didn't believe LUV that dunnstral was town then why not target LUV?

why use your power on someone who an "investigative type role" "cleared"?

what the fuck is this game

[Frank]

If Dunn sent a message, but you Alien'd him, would he still be able to send a message to Frank?

no

[Frank]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

I Alien'd Dunn night 2, when LUV got his result night 1. Pay attention to the days.

More importantly...

I’m a Neapolitan.

Frank, did you get a message last night?

Dunn is implying a type of Fruit Vendor but he came up as inno to a Neopolitan?

The reality is that I lied. I’m actually novice but I knew if I claimed that I’d get lynched

It was best to act as if I investigated Dunn.

BULLSHIT

[Frank]

Frank hasn't posted in over 3 days

thats a little fking disingenuous since there was, you know A NIGHT PHASE FOR 2+ OF THOS DAYS

[Frank]

I think me being town is pretty fucking obvious given all the shitpushing directed towards me and how bs the take back PR claim bullshit has been this game.

whole scum team is just trying to be rick fucking dalton i guess

speaking of all the ridiculous shitpushing directed at me, like how many people are on my fucking jock for activity when compared to someone like GE

[Frank]

{zote, LUV, Elsa, GE}

2 scum MINIMUM

[Frank]

I’m a Neapolitan.

how the fuck is a messenger!dunn cleared by you then

Is that what he claimed? The message was worded in a way that implied he was an FN.

How likely is scum messenger to be honest?

idrk what you're getting at here

I think you're scum and your claim process feels like you're trying to play like rick fucking dalton

[Frank]

I forgot FL flipping town means one of rabid/gamma is 100% scum

[Frank]

Is Frank more likely scum from Maria flipping town neighbor or nah?

fuck you for even suggesting this

this is also big bullshit

if town!you had a problem with it then why not jail me?

fuck this shading

[Frank]

VOTE: gamma emerald ye this is scum

[Frank]

wait is zote L-1?

[Frank]

You want me to hammer zote rn this early in the day?

wake if you're bad enough to actually hang me next (which I don't doubt) I'll let you live with that

I'ma sip on this tea instead

[Frank]

scum gamma hasnt even talked yet this day and wake wants me to hammer LOL

and all the people shitpushing me for how long I took to post are gonna get a kick out of this

[Frank]

wake if ur actually town I might blacklist you

the audacity you have to act all high and mighty all the sudden is fucked

[Frank]

btw I aint even trying to save shit

zote is L-1, not hammering that yet.

ofc he dies today, that's pretty damn obvious.

I'm trying to see what his scumbuddy has to say about getting voted though

so if you're town please stop being an idiot

[Frank]

This game is getting way too toxic.

If you're Town Frank, stop being a complete asshole.

then how about you stop trying to order me around like a dog to do something anti-town?

like I know this whole "trying" thing is obviously new to you but this isn't the way to go about it chief

[Frank]

By my count zote is L-3.

cool

VOTE: zote

gamma is one partner

[Frank]

By my count zote is L-3.

We needed to figure out the claims. Now we have. In my experience, continuing the day after a lynch has been determined by investigation usually does town more harm than good. Might be counter-intuitive but that's how I see it.

what do you think about all the PR claims being a thing yet FL dying last night?

I think it's pretty damn likely his solve was cold, especially since we was taking the PR claims at face value.

obviously some of those PR claims were lies if I'm right about him being wrong

[Frank]

especially since

he

was taking the PR claims at face value

edit

[Frank]

like if we assume all the PR claims are real, why didn't any of them die last night?

furthermore, why would FL of all people be killed there if those PR claims (who were not scum according to his solve) were all truly PRs

[Frank]

Sup fuckers

[Frank]

I'm a friendly neighbor

I targeted LUV, then Frank, then Espresso

I never got notified

[Frank]

@pisskop, you just replaced into a confscum slot. Anything you want to say about that?

[Frank]

Dolly and Frank both somehow misinterpreted jailkeeper so that it roleblocks the person targeting its target, instead of the person it targets.

where in the actual fuck did I do that?

Right here:

2. softing jk or even outright claiming any role =/= me believing that you are that role. I never once alluded to or implied that you were actually the jailkeeper. I said you claimed it, or at least made a post so vague that you displayed an illusion of claiming it. In which case, yes, that could be harmful to the game if we had a real jk due to the way that they handle the situation. They wouldn't even have to outright CC you. Your response that somehow saying that was supposed to encourage a potential JK to come out and say "WOAH THATS CRAZY I ACTUALLY DID JAIL DUNNSTRAL LAST NIGHT" and that if such a thing happened it wouldn't be fleshed out naturally, is incredibly pompous and logically has zero merit.

I don't understand how what I said implies a rolestop but okay

[Frank]

6-9

hehe

[Frank]

I don't understand how what I said implies a rolestop but okay

You imply that a jailkeeper on me would stop LUV from getting an inno on me.

Oh, I see what you're saying now

[Frank]

yoink

[Frank]

VOTE: pisskop

[Frank]

As far as technicalities go, I wouldn't think it impossible for nero to be a scum UB.

But as far as my reads go, Nero is still a TR.

So lets worry about the real scum like pisskop and whoever elsa caught, assuming that isn't pisskop.

[Frank]

Btw sorry for being a dickhead the other day. Real life has been not great lately. Not a great reason to be an asshole but it's true

[Frank]

Let me get this straight: Nero still has not received a role? Or is he saying he's a neighbor now

[Frank]

I think, to be safe, we

should

assume there's 4 Scum.

I don't really know what more we can do to assume this other than lynch by occam's razor. i.e. always lynch the most scumread player over, say, some weird play where we lynch an associate first or something like that. Which I'm totally down with. We should be lynching the most scummy player.

But then again if Nero hasn't taken over a role yet, I suppose there could be some merit to lynching the scummiest PR claim? Which I would still regard as LUV, because I'm assuming Elsa is going to get us a scum lynch today when she spills the beans.

p-edit: when did rabid die??

[Frank]

Oh okay rabid isn't dead, I see what you're saying

[Frank]

Did rabid claim neighbor? if no one CC's that rabid would be an IC then right? or could scum be in the hood as well?

[Frank]

I could see some potential for neighbor not being an inheritable role by creature;s rules, but at the same time that seems like it would make UB even stronger if town, and thus town power would be even stronger.

[Frank]

If I assume that elsa targeted someone other than pisskop last night, I think I want elsa target, pisskop, and LUV lynched in that order as it stands right now

[Frank]

If our town power is really that strong, and there's a potential for a UB to take over watcher, I'd think a ninja would not be gated in this scenario

[Frank]

creature;s rules

It's a normal game

"The term "power role" is somewhat ambiguous - generally anything that is not truly Vanilla is considered a "power role", including roles like Miller. It is ultimately up to the moderator's discretion which abilities are inheritable, though it should be planned in advance."

[Frank]

role talk always fucks with my head but I think I'm on the same page now dunnstral.

that leaves us with "nero isn't a neighbor because"

1. he's lying/scum
2. mod error
3. ???

[Frank]

Despite his controversial claim I think it's best to assume wake to be conftown unless we get to LYLO

Same for elsa if she gets us a scum lynch today

[Frank]

Zote gave Dolly a lot of attention

A LOT of attention

Read that how you will

how are you reading it, jet?

[Frank]

Despite his controversial claim I think it's best to assume wake to be conftown unless we get to LYLO

Same for elsa if she gets us a scum lynch today

Could you explain that line of thought.

well you got zote lynched because you claimed he visited FL

if we lynch elsa's target, it will be

because

it was elsa's target

pretty simply, just conftown the people who bag us scum, re-evaluate in LYLO if needed.

[Frank]

Is it possible Scum would gamble by deliberately not killing, and so whoever Elsa would target would look Scummy?

eh, at this point in the game if that's what they're doing they're at least wasting a night kill

it's not like elsa stated a target so that would be a pretty big gamble since she could be jailing a member of their own faction anyway

[Frank]

With all the PR claims it doesn't make sense for scum to just be like "nah let's not kill anyone, WIFOM over PR kills"

[Frank]

do we really have to do nero instead of espresso

[Frank]

If that's true then the scum team is actually insane because these NKs dont make any sense

[Frank]

why would they target a cleared VT over the PR claims? that brings me back to the idea that at least one of you PR claims is scum

[Frank]

The only problem with that plan is that wake surely eats the NK and if nero really is town UB we lose one of our strongest powers

should we have a different plan in mind if nero flips town?

[Frank]

you guys are silly. Me, an experienced player, claimed a role that I can't possibly be.

vote:frank

this is scum that knows I'm flipping town. Gun to my head, Dolly is the other scum. Dolly just keeps rando calling me scum without any reason and I don't think thats town.

I knoe Espresso thinks she's town b/c Zote tunneled her but that's exactly why scum tunnel each other.

wtf

[Frank]

Why do you think I asked this, nero?

ffs

Zote gave Dolly a lot of attention

A LOT of attention

Read that how you will

how are you reading it, jet?

[Frank]

are you willing to vote Dolly then?

idk anymore, my head is still spinning from how hard you just flip flopped on me for trying to give you the benefit of the doubt

why in the fuck does it make me scummy to try and lynch espresso, who has no business being the NK target last night, over you, who I have townread all game

[Frank]

scum!me pushing nero would make him a town UB

why wouldn't I push the UB over a "confirmed VT"?

if the answer is WIFOM, sure, whatever. That's weak but okay.

if the answer is to look good on VCA if nero flips Town UB, no. The way this game is playing out I figure there's going to be a few changes in wagons in this dayphase, it's not even time for scum to be worried about shit like that

p-edit: or town that thinks you're town??!! where do you draw the line?

[Frank]

watcher enabler

assuming this is true, that could mean no ninja right? what if scum is informed that there's a watcher enabler?

at the same time that claim seems opportunistic and I really don't like the way nero is handling me rn so idk what I think.

[Frank]

what if scum is informed that there's a watcher enabler?

does that explain weird nightkills?

[Frank]

Can we just lynch jet or pisskop then

[Frank]

Can we just lynch jet or pisskop then

Why do you still want to lynch the confirmed VT? Jesus.

why
in the world
would they be
the nk target

[Frank]

I mean fuck it, we should just lynch LUV and get to the root of all of his results then, right?

No, we shouldn't. We should lynch the scummiest one that doesn't make any sense. Jet.

[Frank]

I mean I'd rather lynch pisskop but no one wants to do that either so I'll just fuck off and hammer whatever you guys put to L-1 I guess

[Frank]

LUV results

n1 dunn town (LUV novice so dunn really gave the result)
n2 espresso VT
n3 Nero not VT

[Frank]

@LUV, did you ever plan on targeting FL? Like night 2, that would have been pretty good I'd think.

[Frank]

I've already said that I liked Dolly and Franks reaction the least.

I can get on board a piss wagon as his game entrance was not very stellar.

can you explain what you didn't like about it?

because the only thing you said about me was that I was scum for not wanting you lynched, which is ridiculous fmpov

[Frank]

Getting cold feet Frank?

Maybe a thank you would suffice.

?

[Frank]

FN, self clearing
watcher (gated by enabler?), can get guilties, can clear if only one scum left
neapolitan (gated by novice?), can clear, albeit somewhat weak
alien, can't

truly

clear or guilty, but can protect and prevent
neighbor (x2?), ...

accounting for gating does this seem balanced? what if there was a traitor conversion last night?

obv there (was) at least 1 goon. Seems kinda stretchy to assume that's all town but if nero is telling the truth I guess I could see it.

assuming 3 scum, there's 11 town a nea could target. assuming all the PR listed above is town, and that's all the PR we have (2 town neighbors assumed) there's only 4 VTs.

1 flipped, LUV claimed jet came back VT,

me, dolly, piss are the only unclaimed AFAIK

there's only room for 2 VT there with prior assumptions. However, if 2nd neighbor is scum, that means 5 VT fits here.

however a scum neighbor means that's one of their PR's with a confirmed goon flip already.

...

That's all I got, I'm not smart enough for this. Someone make this make sense

[Frank]

what if there was a traitor conversion last night?

It's a normal game.

dude these normal guidelines screw with my head

[Frank]

I came into this day with gamma slot as my preferred lynch. I'm not against lynching there. But after Nero's claim(s) I don't see why more people aren't voting him.

I mean, as much as I don't like the way Nero went about the claiming business making our watcher turn into a VT isn't something I wanna risk.

I also find it hard to believe that nero would have been on board with the NKs so far

[Frank]

Let him claim before hammering

[Frank]

I think you should consider going on wake tonight elsa

[Frank]

Frank, why aren't you mad at Elsa for hammering without the claim.

Personally, the claim wouldn't change anything for me at this point, just seems weird as you have constantly not stood down so easily like this the entire game.

Also Frank it's reasonable deduction at the time that we found all the Power roles, for town atleast, that exist. So we already know what Piss could be.

why do you want me to be mad anyway

[Frank]

btw I'm pretty sure dolly and pisskop can't be partners

[Frank]

yeah

[Frank]

huh

[Frank]

F

[Frank]

I feel like last scum is just rabid

[Frank]

Barring a situation where LUV is not town, yes.

[Frank]

I'd also like to remind that I was the driving force behind the pisskop lynch

hopefully that doesn't even need to hold any weight but I got a funny feeling LUV didn't check me last night

[Frank]

hopefully that doesn't even need to hold any weight but I got a funny feeling LUV didn't check me last night

And why wouldn't he?

idk, I mean he should've but I have my doubts

[Frank]

I just realized this game isn't autowin even if LUV and elsa are both town

sadface

[Frank]

actually wait it is?

assuming LUV and Dolly town then
if I'm cleared then {dolly, nero, rabid} are the only potential scum left
lynch nero, jail rabid, invest dolly (think this makes most sense as dolly is VT claim and is the only one that can be cleared, other 2 are defunct PR even if town)
then
1. if no one dies lynch rabid, gg
2a. if LUV dies lynch one jail the other
2b. if elsa dies dolly would have to be guilty

p-edit hehe

[Frank]

wait im dumb, in 2a dolly is still guilty

[Frank]

oh

[Frank]

yoink

[Frank]

who cares about game mechanics, they work in mysterious ways

[Frank]

elsa do you pinkie promise that you're town

[Frank]

Yeah, but don't take that as a meta tell for future games. I'm doing it out of pity.

Why are you so

cold

to me?

Let it go!

[Frank]

Idk why elsa wants me to be scum so badly tbh

That's like the main reason I've been skeptical of him

[Frank]

It just feels like you're pressing me a lot harder than dolly and nero tho. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill but I just dont get how I look scummier than dolly

[Frank]

Nero still somewhat makes sense as town to me but his whole claim sequence was so awkward

[Frank]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Frank]

Why am I getting lynched?

PoE

[Frank]

Elsa/Frank - we shoulda kept the town block.

I got paranoid