BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Weiss Schnee]

ty

so renegade is not odds and this also raises questions why we only have 1 night with 2 renegade recipients

[Weiss Schnee]

If you're talking about Renegade, 4 people have said they got a modifier, 2 on each night. So yes it's absolutely confirmed it exists.

who else got a mod on n2?

[50 Judge Powers]

let us never use the word enchantress

enchantress.

[RCEnigma]

If you're talking about Renegade, 4 people have said they got a modifier, 2 on each night. So yes it's absolutely confirmed it exists.

who else got a mod on n2?

We couldn't figure this out. We assumed chemist I think.

[50 Judge Powers]

ty

so renegade is not odds and this also raises questions why we only have 1 night with 2 renegade recipients

have we considered it to be a day action (i.e. Renegade has the Day modifier)?

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

DEAD SCUM
Aaron -- Traitor, Party Crasher, VARIANT #1

DEAD TOWN

Nancy -- Suicide Bomber, BOON BANK #1

CHK
CLAIM: rolestopper
N1: a50
N2: bambi

Fonz --
n2 - Chemist

LIVING PLAYERS

50 Judge Powers
CLAIM: 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Visitor
N1: targeted Nips. I obviously loved through it, but my 1-shot was used up. [CHK claims to have rolestopped 50 judge this night] --> 50 Judge survives,

Consequence: Nips is town

, 50 judge's shot is not recharged,

Consequence: nips is miller?

-- for more discussion on these conclusions, see 8037
N2: No action/nothing received
N3: No action/nothing received

CLAIM: Announcing Jack of all Trades (cop, PT cop, track) that resets after all of the abilities are used
N1: Copped A50 - no result -- A50 was rolestopped by CHK
D1: Lost both cop and PT cop due to juvenile deliquent and technically became a tracker
N2: Tracked BEF - visited Chara
N3: Tracked Titus - no result [Titus became ascetic?]

Haggle
CLAIM:
N1:
N2:
N3:

Joan of Arc
CLAIM: Loyal Doctor Neighbor
N1: Titus
N2: Chemist
N3: Titus

Chemist1442
CLAIM: Odd-night Weak Hider --> Odd-night Weak Loyal Hider
N1: No action. Received loyal (was not informed of this until N2, presumably due to moderror)
N2: Received message, presumably from Fonz, giving me a code to soft my target and telling me to namecheck a rapper in my first post if I got it (hence the DK rap)
N3: Targeted Creature. Received Dirty Laundry --> Action confirmed by Bambi, Consequence

Chemist claims same-alignment as Creature, and is always lynched before Creature if in doubt

BrightEyedFish
CLAIM: Dirty Laundry Vendor
N1: V&M
N2: Chara [

reminder, Chara was nk'd this night

]; received an "announcement" from Creature (

forgot to mention this on this card at first

)
N3: I would like to wait for all to post today before outing. [presumbly either chemist or creature?]

Amrun
CLAIM: dead fish vendor
N1: fish to Titus [confirmed by Titus]
N2: fish to Adorable/Weiss [confirmed by Weiss]
N3: fish to Fonz [

reminder, Fonz was nk'd this night

]

Bambi Jay
CLAIM: Odd-night Follower, Even-night Voyeur
N1: Follow Chara (result "Chara went nowhere")
N2: Voyeur Titus --> Action failed. [CHK claimed a rolestop on Bambi Jay n2, thus making action fail on Titus not due to roleblock shot]
N3: Followed Chemist because he claimed loyal hider and wanted to confirm if his action succeeded or failed. It succeeded. [perhaps cross-confirmed by BEF?]

RCEnigma
CLAIM: joat (1shot disloyal vig, 1 shot RB, 1 shot?) --> Ascetic JOAT
N1: disloyal vig: bef (Ascetic modifier received)

Permanent modifier #1 claimed

N2: no action
N3: no action

Emperor flippyNips
CLAIM:
N1:
N2:
N3:

Weiss Schnee
CLAIM: Non-Consective rolecop
N1: copped bambi - Result: Follower/Voyeur
d1: cop enabler flipped d1
N2: received dead fish
N3: [nothing]

Claim: Neighborizer --> Desperate Neighborizer --> Ascetic Desperate Neighborizer
N1: A50, made desperate before targeting role stays with, got dead fish [A50 was rolestopped by chk]

Permanent modifiers #2 given N1

N2: Venus and Mars [action failed, V&M flipped town]
N3: A50 (bc I am convinced Nips is scum but miller fake means auto death), made ascetic

renegade action n3 #1

davesaz
CLAIM:
N1:
N2: [received a modifier] -- night 2 renegade action
N3:

CONSEQUENCE
Aaron is flipped Variant #1
Nancy is Boon #1
Renegade scum is variant #2 -- Dave mentioned 2 mods going out n2 but needs followup

[Weiss Schnee]

Modifiers
Activate,Announcing, Ascetic, Backup, Bulletproof, Complex, Combined, Desperate, Enabler, Informed, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot, Ninja, Compulsive, Loyal, Disloyal, Loud, Recharged, Reflexive, Simple, Split, Strongman, Night Specific (Any form, Even/Odd/Novice included)

Day is not a legal modifier

[Weiss Schnee]

Multitasking? Scum can make the factional kill alongside their ability, but they are not inherently Multitasking.

scum or not, fruit vendors are not good candidates for scum renegade

[Weiss Schnee]

PROB not renegade (without multitasking)
Amrun
Chemist1442
BrightEyedFish
Bambi Jay

Hardcleared
Emperor flippyNips [confusingly]
Haggle ["no knife" result?]

Creature - Linked to chemist by alignment

Seems obvtown
50 Judge Powers

Claimed recipients of renegade actions
Titus - n3; also obvtown
RCEnigma - n1 [also chemist n1]
davesaz - n2??

Literally the scum renegade?
Joan of Arc


Scenarios:
RCE is scum renegade and fakeclaimed receiving a renegade action the same night he's sending one to chemist? nope
Dave is scum renegade and fakeclaimed knifesmith -- ok?

vs.

Joan is scum renegade

[Weiss Schnee]

I guess Dave/Haggle team also allows Haggle scum renegade if anyone wants to argue it

[RCEnigma]

I'd have to argue Dave scum and I...can't see that.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Joan I buy Joan scum though.

[Weiss Schnee]

Creature renegade would be niche except
a) I don't think he gambits on no result on A50 n1 (unless he claimed well after other people had claimed failed actions)

and that also requires 2/3 of bambi/chemist/creature to be scum

making that not a niche pick I find appealing at all. Joan Renegade has an elegance and simplicity that makes it very easy to see

[Weiss Schnee]

I do however think she played unusually well tone-wise and has significantly improved her scum range if she does flip red here

[Weiss Schnee]

I do *get* why Titus did not want this wagon

[Creature]

Where is "Announcing" as a modifier described? Is it the same as loud?

Yes, except only the action used is revealed. While loud works as a self-watch for the target, announcing works as a self-voyeur for the target

[Boonskiies]

Catchphrase here

[Weiss Schnee]

@BEF and Chemist, do either of your role pms indicate whether chemist would receive a fruit successfully if he hid successfully?

[davesaz]

Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.

Who all has been targeted by modifiers other than titus again?

N1-

RCE - Ascetic
Titus - desperate
Chemist - loyal

N2-

Dave - ??

N3-

Titus - Ascetic

I'm reasonably certain Chemist actually got his N2. He was told at end of N2 and the other people who received modifiers said it took effect the beginning of the night they received it.

I'm not going to be saying what my modifier was unless town plans to do something that would conflict with it.

Tinfoil only one of the modifiers per night are true and the second claimer for that night is actually scum trying to make use of an extra claimed modifier to explain away "bad" results.

[Amrun]

Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.

Who all has been targeted by modifiers other than titus again?

N1-

RCE - Ascetic
Titus - desperate
Chemist - loyal

N2-

Dave - ??

N3-

Titus - Ascetic

I'm reasonably certain Chemist actually got his N2. He was told at end of N2 and the other people who received modifiers said it took effect the beginning of the night they received it.

I'm not going to be saying what my modifier was unless town plans to do something that would conflict with it.

Tinfoil only one of the modifiers per night are true and the second claimer for that night is actually scum trying to make use of an extra claimed modifier to explain away "bad" results.

No he was told at the end day DAY 2 and told it took effect night 1. Which makes sense since gamma had the slot over night so the original PM probably went there.

[davesaz]

At the bottom of 318 and another 9 pages to read. Not gonna happen right now, I have to go shopping. I was hoping for a quick catchup.
Do you really need to make a post every 20 seconds or so with different ideas? Combining thoughts into lists or paragraphs is much easier to read.

Pedit: No he said he didn't know when it took effect and he assumed at the end of night 1. That mechanic takes effect at the beginning of a night. I'm quite sure of this, either there is a lie involved, or a lack of understanding on Chemist's part.

[Amrun]

oh yeah it's probably relevant to mention that I was made loyal night 1 (and was not told about it until after EoD2 so that's fun)

When did it take effect? Not when did it happen.

For me?

Presumably at the end of night 1 but it doesn’t matter because my slot didn’t submit an action

[Weiss Schnee]

Dave can you update this

davesaz
CLAIM:
N1:
N2: [received a modifier] -- night 2 renegade action
N3:

[Amrun]

I mean presuming the original PM was sent to gamma, and chemist got an “oh shit I forgot this” PM, it makes sense, and it’s a really irrevocably stupid thing to claim as scum. I fully believe this regardless of if chemist is scum.

[Weiss Schnee]

Anything you did or that you received (i.e. nothing n3)