Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over


User avatar
implosion
implosion
he/him
Polymath
User avatar
User avatar
implosion
he/him
Polymath
Polymath
Posts: 14662
Joined: September 9, 2010
Pronoun: he/him
Location: zoraster's wine cellar

Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:59 pm

Post by implosion »

Certainly we can think about it in terms of dynamics like, if ame is scum with amrun+elmo or some other pair that's unlikely to have either person get heavened, maybe she doesn't want to get heavened as strongly. But it's still a crapshoot.
User avatar
implosion
implosion
he/him
Polymath
User avatar
User avatar
implosion
he/him
Polymath
Polymath
Posts: 14662
Joined: September 9, 2010
Pronoun: he/him
Location: zoraster's wine cellar

Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:00 pm

Post by implosion »

In post 1224, Team STRQ wrote:
In post 1222, implosion wrote:I.e. scum perfectly possibly could have thought "this is great, we're getting Ame into heaven, that's great, only one more and we win"

or they could have thought "man, it'd be great if we could avoid heavening Ame for a phase or two, so that she can stay on earth and fuck with the town's reads from a position of authority"

there is no way to use logic to distinguish between which of these scum were thinking. For all we know they might have been ambivalent between the two!
Ame's big wall was made from the position of knowing she was going to be heavened, so that's a good place to start narrowing things down.

-Summer
A big wall made from the position of knowing that you're going to be heavened, especially from a scum player playing as craftily and thinking as deeply as Ame seems to have been, is precisely the kind of thing that we have no reason to read deeply in to...
User avatar
implosion
implosion
he/him
Polymath
User avatar
User avatar
implosion
he/him
Polymath
Polymath
Posts: 14662
Joined: September 9, 2010
Pronoun: he/him
Location: zoraster's wine cellar

Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:00 pm

Post by implosion »

That wall was, for all intents and purposes, Ame just cementing that she was going to heaven. She knew that we'd know she was scum when evaluating it about a day after she posted it.
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:08 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

And does that tell you anything implo?

-Summer
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:11 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

(Hint: if she made that wall post to cement getting heavened, then that says she either is confident that scum will get heavened or that she can coach them into getting heavened)

-Summer
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:12 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

And in either case, scum were play with the gamestate as it was

Does this not work with a pops/looker team?

-Summer
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:12 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

Were okay*
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:26 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

Another worthwhile question to ask yourself

Why does wooper die by plurality on hell 1?

-Summer
User avatar
implosion
implosion
he/him
Polymath
User avatar
User avatar
implosion
he/him
Polymath
Polymath
Posts: 14662
Joined: September 9, 2010
Pronoun: he/him
Location: zoraster's wine cellar

Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:12 pm

Post by implosion »

Again I think this is waaaay less important than you seem to
User avatar
Team STRQ
Team STRQ
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Team STRQ
Goon
Goon
Posts: 321
Joined: February 23, 2020

Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:58 pm

Post by Team STRQ »

Fine. What IS important to you?

-Summer
User avatar
Looker
Looker
the
Stenographer
User avatar
User avatar
Looker
the
Stenographer
Stenographer
Posts: 5304
Joined: February 20, 2009
Pronoun: the

Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:31 pm

Post by Looker »

In post 1155, Looker wrote:
In post 1147, Ame wrote:
Looker

:cool:
:mrgreen:
(I'd still be able to appreciate this if you flipped scum)
:lol: Proper pocket; well played
In post 1195, implosion wrote:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Should've went when you had the chance.

VOTE: Elmo

  • @Team STRQ: Come harder than that, Summer
    • Ame already had all that stuff written out before this game
I think this is a much more fun version of Mafia.
User avatar
Elmo TeH AzN
Elmo TeH AzN
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Elmo TeH AzN
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5375
Joined: November 2, 2011
Location: Up In A Tree Somewhere.

Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:45 pm

Post by Elmo TeH AzN »

Oh look a scum vote.
Stats not in the wiki. I'm That Crazy Panda.
I Speak Engrish Not English Leave My Grammar Alone.


Permanently V/LA
User avatar
Amrun
Amrun
Killed the Radio Star
User avatar
User avatar
Amrun
Killed the Radio Star
Killed the Radio Star
Posts: 22501
Joined: January 24, 2011
Location: East Coast US

Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:45 am

Post by Amrun »

Welp. Not what I expected at all so I’m actually pretty happy, despite it not being ideal. I didn’t think Ame would flip red.

This gives me something to analyze with new eyes.
I survived
Tigerpocalypse 2011


Fusion Mafia, ongoing now.
User avatar
Something_Smart
Something_Smart
He/him
Somewhat_Balanced
User avatar
User avatar
Something_Smart
He/him
Somewhat_Balanced
Somewhat_Balanced
Posts: 23133
Joined: November 17, 2015
Pronoun: He/him
Location: Upstate New York

Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:15 am

Post by Something_Smart »

In post 1206, Team STRQ wrote:is this a serious post?
Semi.

If you are very confident that Amrun is town, I will trust it and not vote Amrun if you flip town.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
She
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
She
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008
Pronoun: She

Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:59 am

Post by popsofctown »

In post 1204, Something_Smart wrote:Okay, you've convinced me. I won't vote Amrun today.

VOTE: STRQ
You rolled town didn't you
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
She
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
She
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008
Pronoun: She

Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:04 am

Post by popsofctown »

In post 1211, implosion wrote:Though Amrun randomly pushing Ame is suspect in principal? I imagine that's where some of it's coming from?
Yeah, this, it heavily fits the pattern of a scum that knows they're getting lynched this game accomplishing something before they go, and knowing that the lost town equity on their own slot doesn't matter because they are were already getting lynched this game anyway.
I wish I had a name for this pattern. Just won a scumgame by hardbussing after my slot became irredeemable and set up a partner to deepwolf that way.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
She
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
She
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008
Pronoun: She

Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:12 am

Post by popsofctown »

In post 1229, Team STRQ wrote:(Hint: if she made that wall post to cement getting heavened, then that says she either is confident that scum will get heavened or that she can coach them into getting heavened)

-Summer
VOTE: Team STRQ
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
She
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
She
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008
Pronoun: She

Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:21 am

Post by popsofctown »

That came out weird
I was going to ask for an explanation of STRQ's nonsense post but then decided I am too far gone wanting to vote them anyway in a way that makes me not care.
Summer is making no sense, probably because the idea of winning from heavening 2 scum versus reaching parity +1 on earth is being heavily discussed in a scum PT where everyone can see the numbers after each potential lynch or mislynch. From an actual townie perspective it's way too unfathomable, being smart enough to discern that requires you also to be smart enough to identify the whole scumteam basically. This setup is designed for us to hell scum and heaven town.

S_S is mimicking his town meta with a rushed vote and if he were scum with STRQ!town I think he would be too shy to see how other players re-evaluate off the Ame flip to take a strong stance like this so early in the day (even if he was aware this was an opportunity to mimic his town meta). Only I and maybe one other person had posted and iirc I didn't comment on STRQ, just anti-Amrun.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
Elmo TeH AzN
Elmo TeH AzN
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Elmo TeH AzN
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5375
Joined: November 2, 2011
Location: Up In A Tree Somewhere.

Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:43 am

Post by Elmo TeH AzN »

I won't lie this game has been nothing but a shit show. From Day 1 to now. My reads are all over the place. I wish you all would have heavened me. But what can I say.
Stats not in the wiki. I'm That Crazy Panda.
I Speak Engrish Not English Leave My Grammar Alone.


Permanently V/LA
User avatar
Dannflor
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 18929
Joined: May 25, 2012
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:29 pm

Post by Dannflor »

Four players are currently in prod range, with the rest of the player list about to follow.

Bumping the thread instead of sending out a mass prod.
User avatar
Amrun
Amrun
Killed the Radio Star
User avatar
User avatar
Amrun
Killed the Radio Star
Killed the Radio Star
Posts: 22501
Joined: January 24, 2011
Location: East Coast US

Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:38 pm

Post by Amrun »

I kinda forgot about this game. Coronavirus hysteria is kicking my ass at work right now. But I actually had some stuff I was meaning to do here so I’m working on that now.
I survived
Tigerpocalypse 2011


Fusion Mafia, ongoing now.
User avatar
implosion
implosion
he/him
Polymath
User avatar
User avatar
implosion
he/him
Polymath
Polymath
Posts: 14662
Joined: September 9, 2010
Pronoun: he/him
Location: zoraster's wine cellar

Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:02 pm

Post by implosion »

i need to see a vote count to know what i want to do atm. don't really have the motivation to push the game forward atm either.
User avatar
Dannflor
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 18929
Joined: May 25, 2012
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:11 pm

Post by Dannflor »

⠀⠀⠀⠀
User avatar
Dannflor
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 18929
Joined: May 25, 2012
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:11 pm

Post by Dannflor »

⠀⠀⠀⠀
User avatar
Dannflor
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Dannflor
he/him
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 18929
Joined: May 25, 2012
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:12 pm

Post by Dannflor »

⠀⠀⠀⠀

Return to “Completed Open Games”