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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:03 am

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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:04 am

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I frankly don't care about the mechanical side of it, just get Allo lynched and this game is over if he flips scum.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:14 am

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In post 433, SausasaurusRex wrote:
In post 431, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Acryon agreed with me when I said “where are your reads? Your pushes?” etc

So if you say I’m strawmanning you there, then acryon must be too.

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That wasn’t the part where you strawmanned me. The bit I accused you of strawmanning me in was when you said that I was attempting to delay the Allomancer lynch. Whilst this is true, you leave out an important bit of my argument, which was that I was advocating against all lunches. By leaving this part out, you make my argument easier to attack, making it a strawman. Arcyon did not mention me not wanting to lynch anyone.
So if what they said was technically correct, don't you think it's more likely as a misunderstanding than as a strawman? It seems odd to be so sure that someone is mafia based off of one misinterpretation.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:18 am

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looked back through allo's ISO and while it doesn't scream town it doesn't scream scum either. There's a better lynch out there I think
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:20 am

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Eve!
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:21 am

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In post 454, Auro wrote:Eve!
maybe but I need to go back and look at skitter again first
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:24 am

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Skitter should never be a D1 lynch especially with a cop in the game.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:38 am

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In post 456, Auro wrote:Skitter should never be a D1 lynch especially with a cop in the game.
I know how awesome skitter is but I don't think this is a sound policy and it cheapens your whole plan about people being off wagon since according to this traffic analyst should be on skitter (which means they wouldnt be on you)
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:41 am

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What? No, I think the Traffic Analyst should literally roll a die to decide who to cop.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:41 am

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Skitter's alignment should be pretty clear once we get a scum lynch.
I don't wanna lynch Eve right now, this is mislynch bait.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:43 am

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In post 458, Auro wrote:What? No, I think the Traffic Analyst should literally roll a die to decide who to cop.
Ok so if its at least semi-random, why does a town cop preclude a skitter lynch?
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:44 am

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fwiw i'm not calling for a skitter lynch, I just said I wanted to take another look at their ISO
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am

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I don't love skitter either, but I'm not sure I can get there over Eve/Allo today. Maybe I need to take another look too.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:11 am

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In post 458, Auro wrote:What? No, I think the Traffic Analyst should literally roll a die to decide who to cop.
Or we could leash them, and then have them claim iff they got a guilty. That way we could get an innocent without outing them.

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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:15 am

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I already considered that, but that would also ensure the inno'd person gets NK'd. I don't want Skitter/GL to be NK'd like that.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:16 am

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In post 463, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 458, Auro wrote:What? No, I think the Traffic Analyst should literally roll a die to decide who to cop.
Or we could leash them, and then have them claim iff they got a guilty. That way we could get an innocent without outing them.

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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:16 am

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In post 464, Auro wrote:I already considered that, but that would also ensure the inno'd person gets NK'd. I don't want Skitter/GL to be NK'd like that.
Nevermind.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:38 am

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In post 466, Allomancer wrote:
In post 464, Auro wrote:I already considered that, but that would also ensure the inno'd person gets NK'd. I don't want Skitter/GL to be NK'd like that.
Nevermind.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:39 am

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In post 464, Auro wrote:I already considered that, but that would also ensure the inno'd person gets NK'd. I don't want Skitter/GL to be NK'd like that.
If we can manage to force scum to kill whoever we want, I call that a win. We wouldn't have to leash the traffic analyst onto such an experienced player.

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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:57 am

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Note that that's also easier to manipulate for scum. The value of a guilty is >> an inno who gets night killed.

Random die in cop bloc is harder to evade.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:28 am

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In post 460, Karnage wrote:Ok so if its at least semi-random, why does a town cop preclude a skitter lynch?
She's hard to read and also very competent as town - even without a cop in the game I'd not want to lynch her on D1 unless I had very strong and reliable reasons to suspect it. The existence of a cop strengthens my desire not to lynch to some extent
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:29 am

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In post 459, nomnomnom wrote:I don't wanna lynch Eve right now, this is mislynch bait.
How do you classify "scummy scum" vs "mislynch bait"?
There's only one other partner and they may not necessarily vocally be diverting away from the lynch at this stage.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:13 am

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I explained my stance on eve earlier, read my ISO.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:22 am

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In post 404, nomnomnom wrote:In my experience if scum takes an irrational persona it's a conscious choice in how to approach the game and how to fool the playerlist, and I sincerely don't think that Eve is that kind of player
This is the primary point in your ISO, and I disagree.

I think a skim of her town meta will show that this is her playstyle.

I've not seen many players post in such a manner as town and then subvert it when they roll scum - isn't it expected they'll carry that style?
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:26 am

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In post 473, Auro wrote:I think a skim of her town meta will show that this is her playstyle.

I've not seen many players post in such a manner as town and then subvert it when they roll scum - isn't it expected they'll carry that style?
There always are differences. Unless a player is greatly aware of their standing in the playerlist or is the kind to post over and over again, scum players are bound to always be more careful with what they say. I think a greater scumtell for someone like Eve if they were to post way less "insane sounding stuff", if that makes sense. But again, I might be wrong. I might make a meta check to see what her scumgame looks like, but this is my intuition so far.
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