In post 487, skitter30 wrote: In post 381, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote: In post 371, SausasaurusRex wrote:I don’t think we should follow through with the allomancer lynch. Whilst his ISO isn’t
good
, it’s not terrible either. I think the best course of action is to scumhunt a little more first, to see if anyone else seems more scummy. We have a deadline, and we may as well use all that time. If allomancer still seems the scummiest after that time, then we can lynch him. But my point is that we shouldn’t lynch him yet.
You’re saying that on page 16 we don’t have enough info to lynch, but you were happy to say that Eve should be lynched back on page 9 for even less content than Allomancer has as of 371. What’s up with that?
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... this is also a strawman, this is what they actually said:
In post 219, SausasaurusRex wrote:Her posts don’t seem very towny, but I’m willing to overlook that as early-game banter if her play gets better. If it does not, I think she is the correct day 1 lynch, unless someone else does something worse.
he's saying that *if* she doesn't play better, she's correct lynch
that's not the same as saying she should be lynched
Yeah I fucking got it, there's no need to beat a dead horse... My reading comprehension isn't the best when I'm burnt out, mentally drained, and attempting to write posts in between work calls. If you caught up on the thread, you should see I already responded to the accusation that I was strawmanning in
417 and
437, and I still believe that I wasn't misrepresenting anything. Actually, I'll just quote them for you:
In post 417, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I already apologized for misreading 219. Unfortunately I can’t delete posts or make people ignore posts that I already agreed are invalid based on my misunderstanding
I was clearly referring to lack of reads in 371 and the 0 progression shown there even though there was an additional 150 posts since your previous post
Literally all you said of substance (ie related to actual people in this game and not theory) in 371 was re: not lynching Allomancer
I don’t think I’ve misrepresented anything here. Sure, I’ve drawn conclusions about your motivations but I’m fairly sure that’s called scumhunting. If Allomancer is the only person you mention in your first post in 7 pages, that shows me that your primary motivation in writing that post was about Allomancer.
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In post 437, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Literally no one is or was saying we should lynch right now. The Allomancer wagon had already gone back down to 3 votes by the time you posted, so 1) we weren’t even in danger of lynching too early, and 2) Allomancer in particular was not in real danger of being instalynched, especially since an Eve wagon was also building at that time.
Yet you still chose to focus your first post in 7 pages on Allomancer being lynched too early. Please note what I said -
I am focusing on the parts where you actually mention a person who is in this game
, because I don’t count the game theory part as being AI. Your post doesn’t mention anyone else. (Which is where my questions, “where are your reads? Your pushes?” etc come from in the first place).
Once again - I don’t think I’m strawmanning here. I conclude that your motivation behind writing that post is driven by a desire for Allomancer to not be lynched based on the above.
If you still think I was strawmanning, let's hear your reasons for it.
Also let's revisit your post:
In post 485, skitter30 wrote: In post 371, SausasaurusRex wrote:I don’t think we should follow through with the allomancer lynch. Whilst his ISO isn’t
good
, it’s not terrible either. I think the best course of action is to scumhunt a little more first, to see if anyone else seems more scummy. We have a deadline, and we may as well use all that time. If allomancer still seems the scummiest after that time, then we can lynch him. But my point is that we shouldn’t lynch him yet.
this all at once sounds: svs, wishy-washy, and throwing in platitudes to try to prevent an allo lynch (which isn't imminently happening anyways ...)
How is this different from my response to his post? Sounds like you're saying the same things I did. Who's strawmanning whom now?
In post 489, skitter30 wrote: In post 408, Auro wrote:
Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?
i think they're being disingenuous, yeah
sauce is fine, i think
i think he seems to be a 'slow and steady' sort of player who wants to utilize the full time as much as possible, which is why he told us to slow our horses on allo and even now he's saying that he isn't advocating a limit lynch right now
his allo push was bad but he exhibited the same mindset in ... all three of his stated lynch/scum options (eve, allo, and limit), so i think that this is just how he approaches the game and how he feels about the best way to use our time
smart is shading your townbloc strategy, and smarter is misrepping people to push them
and smart is also a lot more passive than i'd expect him to be
Way to immediately back off of your claim that sausasaurus was scum based on his 371. You now turn around and say that you're totally fine with that slot. How did you get from "this is svs, look at him trying to stop the allomancer lynch" to "sausasaurus rex is fine and limit is being disingenuous" even though you
literally had the same response as me to sausasaurus' post
?
In post 490, skitter30 wrote:
or at the very least, is repeatedly pontificating about how bad a person's post is and framing things in a negative light in order to get their point across
once again....
you had the same response as me
. Let's recap my response (excluding the misunderstanding part):
- I say sausasaurus is fencesitty (1)
- I say he's trying to stop the Allomancer wagon (2)
- I say I can see an Allomancer/Sausasaurus scumteam (3)
And let's recap your response:
- you say it's svs (3)
- you say he's being wishy washy (1)
- you say he's throwing out platitudes to stop the Allomancer wagon (2)
Note that the numbers 1/2/3 indicate points where
our responses matched
.
I also don't think I was "repeatedly pontificating." I made a set of posts about how I felt about him in real time with my thought process, and responded to his responses. I feel like you're trying to misrep me now so that no one pays attention to my thoughts on Sausasaurus.
203 is the first time I explicitly mentioned it, in particular based on
201 where I would not expect scum to question being placed in a townbloc, but I've been townleaning/townreading him for the majority of the game. I revisited this read in
250, basically wanting Karnage to get more activity in so I could see if I needed to update my earlier read; and his series of posts in
298,
299,
301,
305, and
306 helped solidify that townread for me.
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