"He was strawmanning / misrepping / disingenuous"In post 648, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I'll see if lilith can give the sparknotes on her skitter reasoning.
I have very few reads actually. You and acryon are my only townreads worthy of the name, and I don't have any scumreads.In post 649, Auro wrote:Do you have a preferred lynch?
ok, but you actually, like, had reads that you were sharing, and had a pretty strong thread presence and whenever things started to go in a direction you didn't like, you would definitely let people knowIn post 614, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I feel like I was. I didn't really push my reads aside from my Billy scumread D1, but even that I backed off on before the end of the day.In post 585, skitter30 wrote:? no you weren't?
-Smart
a) this doesn't really answer my questionIn post 618, GuiltyLion wrote:Hi, who should I be scum reading instead? You're voting me instead of either Eve/Allo, do you think both are town? Who's my partner in your eyes rn?In post 598, skitter30 wrote:also, hi, let's talk about why you're scumreading me
also I see some other stuff I wanna respond to but I just skimmed and don't have energy right this second, I'll prob post a lot more in a bit
We just talked about skitter for a bit (someday I will stop accidentally typing shitter and having to correct myself, but it is not this dayIn post 652, Auro wrote:Would like it if you talk to Lilith and help critically evaluate Skitter/Allo, etc.
). I've given stances on both of them, thank youIn post 619, GuiltyLion wrote:as for one reason why I'm scumreading you, it's pretty bad townplay to vanity vote me here instead of actually taking stances on either of the L-2 or L-3 wagons and I expect better from you for that. scum!skitter last time I played with her similarly ended the first day not being or discussing either of the major wagons of the day
I don't think my approach lacks nuance at all. I am pretty bad at explaining clearly what I mean because my brain works in really weird ways, so hopefully my sparknotes version will help:In post 647, Auro wrote:Oh, god, no, she took a step back and reached the correct assessment that this is fruitless and your arguments sound sincere even if wrong.In post 643, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:So skitter drops the entire push and says "okay I guess hydra is town" as soon as she receives external pressure regarding her push on me, and you're just cool with that?
I think the way you go about this (her attacking you without voting you) lacks nuance.
I'm curious: are you on the same page about Skitter as Smart? Does he agree with your arguments?
It depends very much on the specifics of the game. I got pretty tunneled in that game which is unusual, and I also had to deal with wagons on my townreads. (Which isn't that unusual, but isn't really happening here because I don't have as many townreads.)In post 656, skitter30 wrote:ok, but you actually, like, had reads that you were sharing, and had a pretty strong thread presence and whenever things started to go in a direction you didn't like, you would definitely let people know
that's not happening here. i have no idea what your reads are and you're basically popping in to bicker about mechanics with auro and that's like all i can remember you doing
the former, that you're saying that auro's method for sorting eve could lead to easy mislynchesIn post 620, GuiltyLion wrote:also explain thisIn post 598, skitter30 wrote:also feels tmi-y to me
is the TMI part that I think Eve is good odds of a mislynch? Or that I am talking to Auro as if I believe he's town? Why are either of those more likely to come from scum!me then town!me
Lilith head, maybeIn post 621, GuiltyLion wrote:sooooo... you agree with me TLDNE hydra is town here, yes?
i'm kinda not following why you're expecting allo to recognize town!you here as compared to the newbie when you've kinda conceded that although you're saying your play here is different than your scumgame you don't necessarily expect other people to see that yetIn post 626, GuiltyLion wrote:already have more posts in this game than in my recent Newbie scum game now btw, which was twice as long
you're so willing to townbin Allo for playing similar to town games, yet can't seem to give me any credit whatsoever when this should really obviously stand apart from my most recent scumgames
you realize that that's not my scum mo in the slightest, right?In post 630, GuiltyLion wrote:We agree 1/0 is town. Anyone who attacks that slot at this point is going to get flak from me,it's not a pro-town move at all and just reads like trying to open up a future lynchpool. And then skitter winds up... townreading 1/0 anyway. Either she's not thinking at all and just messily posting lazy takes or she's scum.
no, it's an 'i'm exasperated with you lot' thingIn post 631, Eve wrote:is skitter saying "but ok" a lot an AI thing?
In post 658, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I don't totally agree with that claim, but she also backed off kinda suddenly without really resolving the issue
You don't think this is a sufficient resolution of the issue?In post 611, skitter30 wrote:i think her engagement back on this is p decent, and the more i'm bickering with her about this, the more i'm feeling we're both very firmly entrenched in believing that 'our side is right' and I've been sniping back because i feel like she isn't really understanding my pov, so i feel like i need to keep repeating myself to get my point across
auro's pretty townread right now but you keep pulling up this notion of being paranoid of him and/or expecting him to read you better when you've kinda acknowledged . you have these unreasonable expectations of how he ought to be reading you and when he doesn't live up to them, you say you can't townread him. it feels like a way for you to keep him at arm's length and allowing you to not townread him.In post 633, GuiltyLion wrote:like, sure, I probably am being unreasonable about it. I tend to overreact to people who I expect to townread me not townreading me
but
why do you think I'm scum for that? Isn't this like extremely plausible to come from a town!GL
thinking on it I've noticed this pattern from you before, you seem reactive to ways I try to pull towncred as town and then decide I'm scum because you don't like it, rather than like actually considering whether there's town motivation in doing what I do
if you're town here I realllyyyy need you to engage more with Eve/Allo slots and give me stuff to work with on those fronts
he's scummy thoIn post 639, nomnomnom wrote:urgh, really? You don't want to lynch in allo/eve? At least the eve flip reveals associative, I have no faith in a GL lynch.
I think agreeing to disagree is the pro-town move for someone who realizes that there's a miscommunication problem and the other is town.In post 669, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I guess it's sufficient if she really did change her mind but that post reads like a "let's agree to disagree" post except she seems to be simultaneously admitting that she was wrong and insisting that she was not wrong.
I do think further discussion probably would illuminate the issue more, though it would also distract the hell out of everyone else.
i mean, this is also at best an uncharitable way of reading my what i said ?In post 643, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:So skitter drops the entire push and says "okay I guess hydra is town" as soon as she receives external pressure regarding her push on me,and you're just cool with that? I can concede that her posts reflect thought progression in terms of the change in Sausasaurus read that I didn't see before, but she has repeatedly called us misreppy, contrived, and disingenuous for multiple different posts we made, not just the initial misunderstanding that happened, but she has never once outright called our slot scummy for it and also didn't vote us. Skitter might be satisfied to "drop it" seeing as she couldn't get any traction on us, but I'm not cool with this just being pushed aside.
Just saying, this is partially in line with my expectations of how scum would counter my play if I was generally right on my townbloc.In post 670, skitter30 wrote:2. calling out auro for him being willing to be off-wagon when from his pov he knows he's town
