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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:15 am

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In post 898, acryon wrote:But to be fair, I think there's a difference between what you two are doing. You have taken responsibility for falling behind; she is blaming others. You are opening yourself up to criticism and scrutiny; she is passing the buck.
I'm not talking about the falling behind, i'm talking about just wishing we would just flip somebody already.

"opening yourself up to criticism and scrutiny" could easily be faked by scum

p-edit: fair enough
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:15 am

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i'm kinda most skeptical of where she accused me of slipping because i really don't think there's any universe where she actually believes that
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:20 am

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In post 901, skitter30 wrote:i'm kinda most skeptical of where she accused me of slipping because i really don't think there's any universe where she actually believes that
I read it as being a joke
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:21 am

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i dont' really think it was tbh

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due to my prolonged absence, i am including a votecount as of this post here.

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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:21 am

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Doesn't look like a joke to me.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:27 am

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In post 888, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 887, Auro wrote:What prevents you from saying "I'm sick of this, just get me one more flip" after D1, D2, D3...?
We get a flip and the gamestate advances.
Right now it feels stagnant and I hate these phases where it feels like I'm reading pages and pages, I retain nothing out of it that was useful in terms of sorting and so on and so forth.
It often happens in larges and sometimes I just replace out if that type of gamestate is sustained, like in undertale.
also this feels like a very ~strange~ way to feel about the gamestate rn
i get it wrt the long walls, but the *whole* game hasn't been walls, and we've kinda moved past them for the past few days, so i'm finding it odd that this is how she's feeling at this point, i'm feeling more into the game now then i was a few days back

and her eve vote feels kinda lazy
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:31 am

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I'm not big into meta but I know nom is competent as scum. I don't think scum!nom makes these "mistakes"
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:33 am

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i dont' think town!nom plays this way either tho
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:34 am

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In post 907, skitter30 wrote:i dont' think town!nom plays this way either tho
fair enough, I don't remember if I have any experience with town!nom
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:36 am

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In post 904, Auro wrote:Doesn't look like a joke to me.
Thoughts on a cop check between Karnage and nom off the wagon?
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:45 am

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Nom definitely goes into the copbloc. Molla goes into the copbloc.
I'm ambivalent about Karnage. If you and Smart think so, you could swap him out for any of Skitter/GuiltyLion.
I wouldn't leash the cop to just two slots though, but the cop could assign a higher weight to Nom when they roll the die :D
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:46 am

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Molla goes to the townbloc*, sorry.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:48 am

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I'm fine with being off wagon
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:53 am

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In post 910, Auro wrote:Nom definitely goes into the copbloc. Molla goes into the copbloc.
I'm ambivalent about Karnage. If you and Smart think so, you could swap him out for any of Skitter/GuiltyLion.
I wouldn't leash the cop to just two slots though, but the cop could assign a higher weight to Nom when they roll the die :D
I'm fine with GL being on-wagon I think. Maybe nom/karnage/Skitter for copbloc.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:10 am

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Sure. Actually, you indirectly raise a good point: What's the optimal *number* for a copbloc? So far I assumed a copbloc of 5 (which is the maximum) via mechanics and a die roll there, and we considered the other extreme of 1 (which had a few problems).
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:15 am

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I think whoever isn't lynched in {Eve, Allomancer} should be in the cop bloc.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:18 am

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In post 915, Auro wrote:I think whoever isn't lynched in {Eve, Allomancer} should be in the cop bloc.
Agreed.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:31 am

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In post 914, Auro wrote:Sure. Actually, you indirectly raise a good point: What's the optimal *number* for a copbloc? So far I assumed a copbloc of 5 (which is the maximum) via mechanics and a die roll there, and we considered the other extreme of 1 (which had a few problems).
Thought about this and the answer is: maximum is better, and the cop *should* be able to weigh the die as they see fit! Leaving this to their discretion, while not allowing dayplay manipulation either. The advantage offered by a 1-leash (i.e. confirmed innocent) doesn't apply to any number greater than it, anyway.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:36 am

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So when the cop gets a clear on a player, how are they supposed to communicate that without exposing themselves? and if they get a guilty, do they come out with it right away? if not, when?
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:40 am

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In post 918, Karnage wrote:So when the cop gets a clear on a player, how are they supposed to communicate that without exposing themselves? and if they get a guilty, do they come out with it right away? if not, when?
I am personally in favor of claiming any guilty unless they can be 100% sure they can crumb well enough to make it
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If they have a clear on a player, they just need to put a good case together for why they're town.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:44 am

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They crumb it in a clever fashion. I'll post some threads/articles about crumbing; it should be discoverable if they die. However scum will be keeping a very close eye on this, so it could be hard.
Hypoclaiming is an option, but it works well when both scum are in the townbloc and badly when both scum are in the copbloc.
Guilties shouldn't be claimed immediately at least, probably let the day play out before claiming. This should definitely be crumbed strongly. If done well, cop can perhaps catch the other scum too, and if NK'd, we spot the guilty crumb.

Need to think more about this too.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:45 am

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Or perhaps meet in the middle and we hypo-crumb. :lol:
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:54 am

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In post 920, Auro wrote:They crumb it in a clever fashion. I'll post some threads/articles about crumbing; it should be discoverable if they die. However scum will be keeping a very close eye on this, so it could be hard.
Hypoclaiming is an option, but it works well when both scum are in the townbloc and badly when both scum are in the copbloc.
Guilties shouldn't be claimed immediately at least, probably let the day play out before claiming. This should definitely be crumbed strongly. If done well, cop can perhaps catch the other scum too, and if NK'd, we spot the guilty crumb.

Need to think more about this too.
I agree with all of this.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:00 am

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I'd rather be honest and say that I have trouble reading most of the game rather than pretending to do and prodging and shit.
Just blergh skitter is voting me for a garbage reason kinda makes me want to vote there too now, couldn't we just have voted allo and went to day 2.
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:03 am

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In post 889, Auro wrote:I disagree with that evaluation. Many pushes are happening, the gamestate is progressing well.

Okay; let's take your current desired lynch, and assume they flip town. That's a gamestate progression. What now? Please tell me what this information would gain for you in terms of a solve.


I think Skitter and GuiltyLion both are town.
In post 890, Auro wrote:
In post 746, nomnomnom wrote: Because Eve is more scummy in tone and that has the tendency to make people think "scum" instantly.
She still could be scum ultimately speaking, in this gamestate. If I had a vig shot I'd shoot her right now.
I might compromise on Eve if needed today.
In post 853, nomnomnom wrote:VOTE: Eve
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What did Allo do that got you to move off
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Sure, but can you answer these? Thanks. :P

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