Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[votato]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

[farside22]

DO NOT DO ANY MASS CLAIMING SCUM WANTS THAT!
VOTATO: i read abr meta, checked a few thing in regards to what happened with maria and abr point is valid.

[SirCakez]

definitely could see (eyestott/abr) team

[Something_Smart]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch?

The disadvantage of this is that if ABR or Don is a scum N1 gun-- and it's likely that if one of them is scum, they are-- then they get an extra shot that we could deprive them of by lynching them today.

That said, I don't have any faith in this town to do that, so I'm in favor of this plan. But it isn't without downside.

[votato]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

"he" is abr.

yeah thats still not enough explanation farside.

[farside22]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

Maria is fucking scum.
Either deal with that or fuck off

[farside22]

Fuck yiur shitty self and hypocritical bs votato. You are all about looking at someone not being scum and take a different view.
Apparently that only applies to me

[farside22]

Im stepping away.

[SirCakez]

ftr I'd vote Maria after hearing about her meta
I just think ABR has higher scum equity

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother?

If DC claims she has a gun N1, she very well may have a rose N1. It's all WIFOM.

I recommend we lynch DC, if she flips scum I shoot Sircakez, if she flips town I shoot MariaR.

Does that work for you?

[votato]

yes. im glad my opinion is so important to you. VOTE: donC

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch?

The disadvantage of this is that if ABR or Don is a scum N1 gun-- and it's likely that if one of them is scum, they are-- then they get an extra shot that we could deprive them of by lynching them today.

That said, I don't have any faith in this town to do that, so I'm in favor of this plan. But it isn't without downside.

This is true ^

Why ABR town and why am I in your PoE?

Honestly ABR is not so much a townlean as an "I like his style and want to see where he goes with it" read, but I do think that a lot of his early antics (such as the lilith read mirror thing) and his push on me that he just drops after a bit feel like they would be more likely to alienate people and make enemies than to get people to trust him.

You're kind of the opposite. You haven't really made that many enemies, your takes are safe, and your interaction isn't particularly dynamic. These qualities all can very easily come from town, but they're why I don't townread you.

Yeah, this is a good case for DC today. Vote with us, I will accept responsibility if I'm wrong but I think this gives us the best shot at disrupting the 3-man scumteam and giving us the best intel for Day 2.

[MariaR]

I think u have a decent understanding of how mariar might operate scum/town; I just don't think its been applied her correctly.

ill just say town her isn't afraid of saying anything because she doesn't mind of she gets shouted down for her opinions.
scum her isn't afraid as well but can smooth it over by appearing more reasonable measured and less aggressive which gets her scumread less.

I don't find her that aggressive here.

So I don't know if I agree with ur analysis.

I really hate how much I’ve tried to get people to understand using meta on me doesn’t work.I can name exactly three people who can probably meta me correctly and that’s because they talk to me on a daily basis.

I’m a mood based player and what I mean by that is how I play a game depends on my irl mood at the time so I could be a bit calm for one minute and then a snarky jerk the next. That’s why when I see stuff like what you and Don are doing? It annoys me.

Am I a really good scum player? Yes, of course I am. Can I fake emotions? Yes I can do that too. But does that mean scum me plans out fake emotions or goes into a game saying ‘this is how I’m gonna act?’ No, I stopped doing that years ago. I want people to read me based on my performance in this game, not others. Like this post:

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

Not me trying to be aggro or snarky. Nor are any of the other posts you people have been trying to say because as I’ve said before: Tone readingg me does not work. That post was me being happy and excited because I was getting pushed and that’s fun. Non meta pushes on me are what I want. What you guys are doing right now? Not what I want.

Like scum maria can def be rude as fuck. She just is usually more cordial. I don't feel like she has posted enough for me to accurately sy "ohh yeah she is doing her scum play of soft but strong pushes" or town because "she is willing to and is fighting anyone without any fucks given".

Like this isn’t how I play. If I put in all my effort and tryhard a game you’re gonna see me turn into an emotionless robot 9/10 times. Me being calm is because I want to not upset people. I think the only time I was purposely snarky this whole entire thread was 1 post at farside.

I suppose the moral of this rant is don't townread me or scumread me for meta that you have wrong. Try to focus on this game and get your own assumptions based on that.

[MariaR]

Or

Consider this

Maybe he’s a scum gun staying quiet because he doesn’t want to not get his shot off

Idk this doesn’t seem like the style you’d go for in a game with 3 scum and guns lurking around. Seems like a setup for failure.

If we’re forced onto one of the 2 main wagons eyescott is strictly better on pure information even if I won’t be voting it myself.

[Firebringer]

I really hate how much I’ve tried to get people to understand using meta on me doesn’t work

ur never going to get people to stop trying to meta u.
so give it up.

[chkflip]

haha yeah that clap back is tragic.

DC today for sure.

[MariaR]

I think Maria subbed in thinking ABR would likely be the obv-town he usually is, called out a unsubstantiated TR there, and then got slapped on the fingers for it

Can’t remember the last time I’ve ever played with ABR but this is a stance I suppose.

Same how she called out an unsubstantiated scumread on me, got slapped around, then proceeding to try and buddy me while leaving her vote on me.

If you’re really gonna start claiming that me saying ‘wow that game was fun why do you scumread me?’ is budding then this just reinforces my scumread on you because that’s just, stupid? Like you’re not the kind of player who would have this kind of thinking that is purely illogical. Yes I’m trying to buddy you by calling you scum and keeping my vote on you? Like, what?

we explicitly went over how I was pushing Knightmare!scum in the face of multiple townreads on him for TSTBS. How is that in line with playing it safe.

Pushing on lynchbait is about the safest place in the world for scum to push... it's easy to write it off as just a townie getting distracted, and they're not likely to push back very hard.

Lynchbait has always been a sensitive term because you have to first define who lynchbait is and why. Second of all just because someone is lynchbait doesn’t mean they can’t get a mafia role pm. I think the way to handle that is to see why someone is ‘lynchbait’ and what actions they have that are scummy.

Cakez and DC are scumbuddies. Lilith / farside are sheep-town victims, bait for the wolves to draw the flock.

Lilith and farside are def sheeping everything in sight.

i wonder if i should be worried about that

*Wink*

Lets look at the contradictions here. Claims gun.
Prior said he had no gun.

And the issue with this is? I dislike how you’re painting this out as scummy when faking you don’t have a gun is 100% the correct play here

[Firebringer]

haha yeah that clap back is tragic.

DC today for sure.

I wasn't doing a clap back?

[Firebringer]

wait were u talking to me?

[chkflip]

No I'm talking about DCs clap back. The last thing I mentioned.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And the issue with this is? I dislike how you’re painting this out as scummy when faking you don’t have a gun is 100% the correct play here

Thank you Maria!

[chkflip]

chkflip who are your current scumreads/wagons of choice?

Why is this a concern of yours only after your name comes out of my mouth?

[MariaR]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

Strange how I agree but not with who you’re talking about.

UNVOTE: farside. Either ABR is town, and then probably right, or scum, in which case this is a really bad play. Why would scum be this aggressive pushing 1 townie? Worst case ABR is town and wrong, but then we still probably find out tonight with NKs. this is wayyyy better than any of the other wagons, and even if DC flips town, this is real progression. I don't know any of you, but im leaning towards lilith being naive and town, with farside giving intentionally bad reads. Farside is in queue for at least one other game, so doesn't currently feel overwhelmed. If play is subpar for her, its probably on purpose. Vecna flip-flop is a bit odd, and vecna does some off somewhat as tyring to sheep-without-sheeping this game. He has been reading most people the same way town~majority does, iirc. VOTE: doncorleone

How much have you played with or known ABR? You said you’re new so almost not at all I assume right? What makes you have this much blind faith in his reads? I don’t get what makes Don a good wagon here.

Lilith: if abr talks to you, maybe you can ask him why he destroyed the maria wagon.

Let us check ABR’s iso for where he defended me or told others to get off my wagon...Nope, nothing here. Just him saying he’ll vote me if Lilth asks. So uh, where is this magical opinion that ABR is ruining wagons coming from?

At what point does a player stop going from ‘Oh this player is town and has bad reads’ to ‘This player is objectively playing this way and is scum’

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

This^^^^

OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway

hmmmm keeping this in my iso.

[SirCakez]

Once DC flips town we can murder ABR yeah?

[chkflip]

Yeah nah.