Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Hoctac]

I have BIG news. I hope you're listening closely, because I'm about to crack this game WIDE open. They're gonna be talking about this post for mafia generations to come. This will probably get me that mOmEnT oF bRiLlIaNcE award for 2020. I'm not kidding btw. Read and take this post seriously.

So, it all started when I was making my scumcase for Klick/Quick (sometimes referred to as Kluick).

I came across his first post:

VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.

A "strong" entrance, but an unnatural level of overconfidence. Remember how he has no scumreads later in the day, and claims his bottom two reads are "neutral"? Exhibiting a strong scumread such as this one does NOT fit the playstyle of a player who apparently townhunts and doesn't have many scumreads. As explained by him in 421 for example.

Let's move on to the his second post:

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

He has already moved on from his Umlaut scumread, and is now sheeping a player without explanation. Now, on its own, this isn't too bad, but what you need to understand is that this is NOT a natural progression from his previous post and expressed level on confidence to this one. Spotting inconsistencies in thought processes is one of the BEST ways of finding scum, and is the number 1 scumtell I use.

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Okay, let's take a break here.
So, I could go through all his posts and continue explaining why he's scum. Sure, I could do that. It'd be very easy.
OR, I could skip ahead to the post that absolutely 100% incriminates Qlick as scum. This is gonna be great. I hope you're ready.

THIS IS IT:

VOTE: valoneast
Atarashi/Hoctac: tell me why I shouldn't vote here.

This beauty right here. I'd like to thank farside for asking me to make the scumcase, as I likely otherwise would have missed this.

In this post, Klick is asking Atarashi and Hoctac (that's me!!!) about our opinions on valoneast, and why we shouldn't vote there. On it's own this post is strange, why ask us out of everyone? I don't see any reason prior in thread that he would be asking us two specifically.
Well, here's the thing: Atarashi, valoneast, and I are in a

neighbourhood

together. Klick is NOT in this neighbourhood. He is asking us because he knows we may have an opinion of valoneast formed from discussion in the hood, but has NO reason to be aware of this fact. Zulfy is also in this hood.
What this means is that Qlick is scum with one of Zulfy, Atarashi, or valoneast, and subconsioulsy let slip that he was aware of this info. The only other explanation is that he's an Informed Townie, that was for some reason aware of the hood, but is that even Normal? Probably not.

EVERYONE vote for Kluick today. This will clear me as town, and confirm one of Atarashi/valoneast/Zulfy as scum. This game is basically over already.

[Hoctac]

ALSO, I just realised that Klick asking Atarashi and I specifically probably means either valoneast or Zulfy is the scum partner of the 3. I think it's less likely he makes that info-perspective slip while asking a scum buddy why he shouldn't vote for the others in his hood.

[SirCakez]

I have BIG news. I hope you're listening closely, because I'm about to crack this game WIDE open. They're gonna be talking about this post for mafia generations to come. This will probably get me that mOmEnT oF bRiLlIaNcE award for 2020. I'm not kidding btw. Read and take this post seriously.

So, it all started when I was making my scumcase for Klick/Quick (sometimes referred to as Kluick).

I came across his first post:

VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.

A "strong" entrance, but an unnatural level of overconfidence. Remember how he has no scumreads later in the day, and claims his bottom two reads are "neutral"? Exhibiting a strong scumread such as this one does NOT fit the playstyle of a player who apparently townhunts and doesn't have many scumreads. As explained by him in 421 for example.

Let's move on to the his second post:

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

He has already moved on from his Umlaut scumread, and is now sheeping a player without explanation. Now, on its own, this isn't too bad, but what you need to understand is that this is NOT a natural progression from his previous post and expressed level on confidence to this one. Spotting inconsistencies in thought processes is one of the BEST ways of finding scum, and is the number 1 scumtell I use.

.
.
.

Okay, let's take a break here.
So, I could go through all his posts and continue explaining why he's scum. Sure, I could do that. It'd be very easy.
OR, I could skip ahead to the post that absolutely 100% incriminates Qlick as scum. This is gonna be great. I hope you're ready.

THIS IS IT:

VOTE: valoneast
Atarashi/Hoctac: tell me why I shouldn't vote here.

This beauty right here. I'd like to thank farside for asking me to make the scumcase, as I likely otherwise would have missed this.

In this post, Klick is asking Atarashi and Hoctac (that's me!!!) about our opinions on valoneast, and why we shouldn't vote there. On it's own this post is strange, why ask us out of everyone? I don't see any reason prior in thread that he would be asking us two specifically.
Well, here's the thing: Atarashi, valoneast, and I are in a

neighbourhood

together. Klick is NOT in this neighbourhood. He is asking us because he knows we may have an opinion of valoneast formed from discussion in the hood, but has NO reason to be aware of this fact. Zulfy is also in this hood.
What this means is that Qlick is scum with one of Zulfy, Atarashi, or valoneast, and subconsioulsy let slip that he was aware of this info. The only other explanation is that he's an Informed Townie, that was for some reason aware of the hood, but is that even Normal? Probably not.

EVERYONE vote for Kluick today. This will clear me as town, and confirm one of Atarashi/valoneast/Zulfy as scum. This game is basically over already.

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

I mean Umlaut I'd consider this Pers's style, a little obnoxious and doesn't care what others think
So I don't see how it doesn't relate to your SR

[Umlaut]

I mean Umlaut I'd consider this Pers's style, a little obnoxious and doesn't care what others think
So I don't see how it doesn't relate to your SR

There is no SR for it to relate to
I don't scumread Pers/Ame
At no point did I really have more than default-level suspicion of Pers/Ame
I don't know why this is hard for you to understand.

[Klick/Quick is mafia because of reasons]

I need to think about this before deciding what to make of it. I don't really buy the scumtells as scummy but the knowledge-slip is interesting. At the least I'm pretty sure Hoctac doesn't make this post as scum.

[SirCakez]

Ok whatever I clearly don't get what you're talking about

[Hoctac]

How has no one sheeped my case yet. What do you think, SirCakez?

[Umlaut]

Actually I want to see Quick's own response before I chime in. (I know the case is entirely on Klick's posts but there is something specific I'd like to see or not see before I make my post)

[SirCakez]

How has no one sheeped my case yet. What do you think, SirCakez?

Quick/Klick is already my top SR and I'm voting them
What do you want from me lol

[Quick]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

No, they are already stated. I just didn't like your answers.

[Quick]

I have BIG news. I hope you're listening closely, because I'm about to crack this game WIDE open. They're gonna be talking about this post for mafia generations to come. This will probably get me that mOmEnT oF bRiLlIaNcE award for 2020. I'm not kidding btw. Read and take this post seriously.

So, it all started when I was making my scumcase for Klick/Quick (sometimes referred to as Kluick).

I came across his first post:

VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.

A "strong" entrance, but an unnatural level of overconfidence. Remember how he has no scumreads later in the day, and claims his bottom two reads are "neutral"? Exhibiting a strong scumread such as this one does NOT fit the playstyle of a player who apparently townhunts and doesn't have many scumreads. As explained by him in 421 for example.

Let's move on to the his second post:

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

He has already moved on from his Umlaut scumread, and is now sheeping a player without explanation. Now, on its own, this isn't too bad, but what you need to understand is that this is NOT a natural progression from his previous post and expressed level on confidence to this one. Spotting inconsistencies in thought processes is one of the BEST ways of finding scum, and is the number 1 scumtell I use.

.
.
.

Okay, let's take a break here.
So, I could go through all his posts and continue explaining why he's scum. Sure, I could do that. It'd be very easy.
OR, I could skip ahead to the post that absolutely 100% incriminates Qlick as scum. This is gonna be great. I hope you're ready.

THIS IS IT:

VOTE: valoneast
Atarashi/Hoctac: tell me why I shouldn't vote here.

This beauty right here. I'd like to thank farside for asking me to make the scumcase, as I likely otherwise would have missed this.

In this post, Klick is asking Atarashi and Hoctac (that's me!!!) about our opinions on valoneast, and why we shouldn't vote there. On it's own this post is strange, why ask us out of everyone? I don't see any reason prior in thread that he would be asking us two specifically.
Well, here's the thing: Atarashi, valoneast, and I are in a

neighbourhood

together. Klick is NOT in this neighbourhood. He is asking us because he knows we may have an opinion of valoneast formed from discussion in the hood, but has NO reason to be aware of this fact. Zulfy is also in this hood.
What this means is that Qlick is scum with one of Zulfy, Atarashi, or valoneast, and subconsioulsy let slip that he was aware of this info. The only other explanation is that he's an Informed Townie, that was for some reason aware of the hood, but is that even Normal? Probably not.

EVERYONE vote for Kluick today. This will clear me as town, and confirm one of Atarashi/valoneast/Zulfy as scum. This game is basically over already.

I am an Informed Towie and now I am dead. Congrats for ruining the game.

[Quick]

INFORMED TOWNIE

Okay, is that clear enough for you?

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #17

Umlaut (0):
clidd (1): Umlaut (566)
Hoctac (0):
Zulfy (1): Quick (569)
Ame (0):
Looker (3): Ame (172), Reundo (190), LuckyLuciano (358)
valoneast (0):
brassherald (0):
LuckyLuciano (1): Zulfy (38)
farside22 (0):

Quick (4) (L-3): Hoctac (135), SirCakez (292), farside22 (411), brassherald (413)

SirCakez (0):
Not Voting (3): valoneast (274), clidd (381), Looker (576)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. This game will use a combination of manual and automated votecounts. (The automated ones are made using MathBlade's Vote Scrubber.) I will mainly start by posting an automated votecount and then edit in a manual one later. This allows me to spot errors in the automated votecount as well as build the voting history for the game.
3.

Please note the prod timers. You will be prodded after 32 hours on Tuesday-Friday.

4. Ame replaces Persivul.
5. Looker replaces Ragman Saul Rima.

[SirCakez]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

No, they are already stated. I just didn't like your answers.

What the heck was the point of bringing it up then???

[Quick]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

No, they are already stated. I just didn't like your answers.

What the heck was the point of bringing it up then???

I should ask you the same thing.

[Looker]

Votecount 1.16

Quick(4)

~ SirCakez(30), Ragman Saul Rima(14), farside22(34), brassherald(61)

Ragman Saul Rima(3)

~ Persivul(52), Reundo(6), LuckyLuciano(46)

Zulfy(1)

~ Quick(83)

LuckyLuciano(1)

~ Zulfy(12)

clidd(1)

~ Umlaut(56)


Not Voting (3): clidd(109), Hoctac(36), valoneast(41)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-19 17:00:00)

MOD REMINDERS

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. This game will use a combination of manual and automated votecounts. (The automated ones are made using MathBlade's Vote Scrubber.) I will mainly start by posting an automated votecount and then edit in a manual one later. This allows me to spot errors in the automated votecount as well as build the voting history for the game.
3.

Please note the prod timers. You will be prodded after 32 hours on Tuesday-Friday.

Ame replaced Persivul. I replaced Ragman Saul and unvoted.

[Umlaut]

Yeah, the thing I was going to wait on Quick's response for was that Informed Townie with knowledge of a neighborhood is as far as I can tell totally Normal.

If Quick were scum there is a possibility he would be unsure about that and not want to make that claim, which would make life harder for him. Since he did make that claim I suppose that didn't work, but I can see the post Hoctac calls out as more likely as a crumb than a slip.

[Quick]

Yeah, the thing I was going to wait on Quick's response for was that Informed Townie with knowledge of a neighborhood is as far as I can tell totally Normal.

If Quick were scum there is a possibility he would be unsure about that and not want to make that claim, which would make life harder for him. Since he did make that claim I suppose that didn't work, but I can see the post Hoctac calls out as more likely as a crumb than a slip.

Congrats, Hactoc is the smartest person to ruin a game................

[Umlaut]

So you think he's town now?

[Quick]

So you think he's town now?

LOL.

[Ircher]

VC should be correct now. I hadn't updated the OP, so MathBlade's counter still assumed Persivul and Ragman Saul Rima were still in the game.

[Hoctac]

How has no one sheeped my case yet. What do you think, SirCakez?

Quick/Klick is already my top SR and I'm voting them
What do you want from me lol

oh okay fine, i'll let you off this one time

[Hoctac]

Honestly, I wasn't expecting scum!Quick to go down this route either. I thought he'd try to brush it off as a coincidence. I still think he's scum though, there's reasons outside of the potential knowledge slip which make both him and Klick scummy.

Why have I "ruined the game", Quick? What have we lost?

[farside22]

Seeking a replacement for Ragman Saul Rima.

And there gies my 3rd scum read.
Yup taking it personal. Totally lurking my next game.

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

Why a town read?

He just reinforced my scum read. He basically voted on lynch bait material and a player that is mia. Calls pers town and said nothing that says hey im scum hunting

Okay, but you are Town for the same reason.

99% sure I did more then that. But you do you and pretend it is otherwise. Please.

So I figured I would link games from Klick that show he can scum read and things that are different

klick town
klick town
klick scum game

So he actively pushes players more with questions as town. The votes he places is for reads and he has idea's for who he is scum reading why,
Scum game showed a weak reason for scum read then does low content in the scum game.
So saying he can't scum hunt in this game is pretty wrong thought process.

This is me not buying the "claim" from quick either.

[Quick]

Honestly, I wasn't expecting scum!Quick to go down this route either. I thought he'd try to brush it off as a coincidence. I still think he's scum though, there's reasons outside of the potential knowledge slip which make both him and Klick scummy.

Why have I "ruined the game", Quick? What have we lost?

There is at least one Scum in your Neighborhood.

And I unvoted you after someone gave reason to who is in your Neighborhood.

[Hoctac]

What's your read on me now?