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[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #25

Umlaut (0):
clidd (0):
Hoctac (2): brassherald (645), Ame (1024)
Zulfy (0):
Ame (0):
Looker (2): Reundo (190), Quick (747)
valoneast (0):
brassherald (2): farside22 (633), Looker (841)
LuckyLuciano (0):
farside22 (0):

Quick (6) (L-1): SirCakez (292), LuckyLuciano (829), Hoctac (839), valoneast (891), Zulfy (956), Umlaut (998)

SirCakez (0):
Not Voting (1): clidd (381)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. This game will use a combination of manual and automated votecounts. (The automated ones are made using MathBlade's Vote Scrubber.) I will mainly start by posting an automated votecount and then edit in a manual one later. This allows me to spot errors in the automated votecount as well as build the voting history for the game.
3.

Please note the prod timers. You will be prodded after 32 hours on Tuesday-Friday.

4. farside22 is V/LA until Monday, May 11, 2020.
5. Ame is V/LA until Friday, May 15, 2020.

[Quick]

If you hammer Quick, I'll give you a dollar in the night.

Pretty sure that is illegal.

[Umlaut]

Why qre you more interested in hunting outside the neighborhood then?
DO NOT HAMMER YET

That's a good point actually, a random lynch in the nhood should be strictly more likely to hit scum since the nhood is

at least

1/4 scum whereas the non-nhood is

at most

2/9 scum (so subjectively 2/8). But I don't think it's a big enough difference to override reads except maybe as a tiebreaker, and the incentive of clearing the other three neighbors if we lynch right doesn't actually work so there's no real mechanical benefit to hitting scum in vs. out of the nhood.

[Umlaut]

That said: Hoctac, assuming you're really vig, maybe you can help us narrow down the nhood tonight.

[Quick]

That said: Hoctac, assuming you're really vig, maybe you can help us narrow down the nhood tonight.

Or, you know, they could make the correct play and shoot me.

Let me know how that registers for you on a scale from 1-BS.

[Umlaut]

That said: Hoctac, assuming you're really vig, maybe you can help us narrow down the nhood tonight.

Or, you know, they could make the correct play and shoot me.

Let me know how that registers for you on a scale from 1-BS.

A+ scumhunting

[Umlaut]

Wait, actually

if we lynch the scummiest neighbor today and they flip green, then Hoctac can shoot the second scummiest one tonight
near-guarantee one of these flips red.

(unless roleblocker I guess, but we can worry about that tomorrow)

Hoctac, would you go along with this plan? Because if so we should like definitely lynch in the neighborhood.

[Looker]

I'll just vig brass tonight so we don't have to worry about it tomorrow.

Ame is obvscum. I'll vig her tonight.

Jokes?

Idk why but I've found Looker's posts so wildly uninteresting that I've skipped them all. Reminder to go back and read them later.

I did read tho, I even said when I was done reading, don't u read?

Jokes?

"Changed my mind" suggests I had a different read on Quick before. Why do you think I did mr. Looker?

Your ISO - you never mentioned or voted Quick/Klick.

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• Quick question: What's the average age of everyone here? I get the feeling I'm playing with grade schoolers.

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Alright guy i've finished your ISO. Buckshot question-asking. Not interesting or constructive but don't let me stop you.

Ironic.

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• I'm assuming Quick has resigned himself to trolling.

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• I'm starting to see why people are replacing out.
  
• @Farside: Any room for discussion or was that pretty much end of discussion?
  
• @Umlaut: What did I misrep and are you Zulfy's protectorate?
  • Also, I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself. If you didn't think it was scummy, you would've said so. Your defensiveness is unwarranted and peculiar.

[Quick]

Don't assume.

[Quick]

It's called lolcatting BTW, not trolling.

[Umlaut]

• I'm assuming Quick has resigned himself to trolling.

Honestly what I'm seeing too, which is why I'm comfortable ending the day with a lynch there.

• @Umlaut: What did I misrep and are you Zulfy's protectorate?
  • Also, I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself. If you didn't think it was scummy, you would've said so. Your defensiveness is unwarranted and peculiar.

You misrepped him as saying he hadn't read the thread when he said he skipped over your posts.

No, I was more interested in what that said about you than in what it said about Zulfy.

I notice for once you didn't link any of the posts you were talking about when referencing my defensiveness and your letting me explain myself, so I'll quote our discussion again here for everyone's reference:

Spoiler: Umlaut and Looker's much ado about nothing

@Umlaut: What was bad about my post? Specifically, what was worse about it than the Quick post it was referencing, which you didn't mention?

Quick's post had a vote and some sort of read, and yours had neither, so yours is 100% worse.

What exactly was Quick's "read"? Other than I'm dumb?

I didn't say Quick's post was like brilliant scumhunting (you may notice I'm voting him now), but it appeared to me he was saying you were fabricating a reason to scumread him by feigning inability to understand his posts.

My post right before that one had reads and a post, so why say anything at all if you're not going to reference it? Do you see how you could come off as scummily

subjective

selective?

@Umlaut: And you bought Quick's assertion that I was fabricating a scumread despite what I referenced in the post I voted him?

I'm just trying to figure out why you were on Quick's side.

I don't know, your response to the post bothered me whereas your previous post I just barely cared about at all when I read it. If you think that's scummy of me then don't try to convince me of that, vote me or something.

I wouldn't say I bought [Quick's assertion], but people do that sort of thing all the time ("you can't possibly fail to understand me because I'm everything I write is infinitely clear, so you must be scum") so I didn't make anything of it.

Also your predecessor was pretty suspect so you kind of have to carry that, whereas I was townreading Klick/Quick at the time, so I'm not going to deny that could influence my reading.

So, pretty much the

same

thing as Quick: "Shut up and don't talk to me."

I know I'm not scum. You're not going to convince me I'm scum. If you think I'm scum then tell someone else, not me.

I wasn't trying to convince you that you were scum - I was trying to show you that I wasn't. Is me conveying my alignment not useful information to you?

Some thoughts on this discussion:

1. This whole thing is literally about the two words "Bad post" that I wrote about his post. It was a bad post, it was a weird and unnatural-looking response to being voted.
   
2. I explained three separate times what I meant by that and why I did it, so I did explain myself.
   
3. Looker can't decide whether he is trying to show me he isn't scum, or presenting some kind of accusation that I should defend myself against.
   
4. The tone of "Don't you see how that can come off as scummy?" is that of someone who knows I'm town and is trying to explain why people are scumreading me, not that of someone trying to sort me or defend themselves, so it doesn't fit into either of Looker's purported motives here.
   
5. I'm not going to bother arguing whether or not I was defensive, read the quotes and tell me if I was.
   
6. At no point did I stop engaging Looker, I literally continued explaining my reasoning immediately after the post he quoted in 850, so "Shut up and don't talk to me" is yet another misrep.

I think Looker is scum trying to work himself up to putting me in his scumpile and/or voting me.

[Quick]

I haven't hammered.... myself.

[farside22]

Why qre you more interested in hunting outside the neighborhood then?
DO NOT HAMMER YET

That's a good point actually, a random lynch in the nhood should be strictly more likely to hit scum since the nhood is

at least

1/4 scum whereas the non-nhood is

at most

2/9 scum (so subjectively 2/8). But I don't think it's a big enough difference to override reads except maybe as a tiebreaker, and the incentive of clearing the other three neighbors if we lynch right doesn't actually work so there's no real mechanical benefit to hitting scum in vs. out of the nhood.

Ok well i feel slightly better about umlaut.
Still feel more confident in brass scum and looker as scum.
Ame is another that reads scummy mostly because of persivul.
Ill hammer if needed.

[Umlaut]

Hoctac, would you go along with this plan? Because if so we should like definitely lynch in the neighborhood.

I'd like to hear back from Hoctac about this before hammer, actually

[Umlaut]

Also, since I think I'm the only one who hasn't said it yet, farside is town. Pretty sure scum making the "wait everyone hold up, Umlaut answer my questions" move would then follow it up with a scumread of whatever I answered.

[Ame]

Farside's reads look like the reads that scum fabricate.

Farside > Cakez > Hoc

[Quick]

Also, since I think I'm the only one who hasn't said it yet, farside is town. Pretty sure scum making the "wait everyone hold up, Umlaut answer my questions" move would then follow it up with a scumread of whatever I answered.

Have you even bothered ISOing me? Serious question.

[Umlaut]

No, you have 180 posts and I'm lazy. Care to link the relevant part?

[Quick]

No, you have 180 posts and I'm lazy. Care to link the relevant part?

The one where I give my Town block. Hint: you are on it and so is fareside.

[Umlaut]

Farside's reads look like the reads that scum fabricate.

Farside > Cakez > Hoc

Okay, maybe I'm not the only one who hasn't said farside is town

[Quick]

Here is a game you will never read Umlaut.......

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=73693

[Umlaut]

So the answer is no, you don't care to link to the relevant part.

[Ame]

Umlaut, I don't think Farside being convinced you are town from your response is sincere. It looks like the type of fake sorting that scum does.

[Quick]

So the answer is no, you don't care to link to the relevant part.

And Lucky is the other person on the Town Block.

That is literally the contents of the post.

[Umlaut]

Here is my Town Core ATM...

Umlaut
Lucky
farside

Okay, this post exists, and?