SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[OkaPoka]

@mod would the infected know they are infected?

Answered via PM.
~Covid 19

[5G Tower]

The infected numbers continue to grow

[Auro]

If they really don't find out that same morning then I would expect that cures must occur before they are notified. That would imply that getting cured is ineffective on people who have changed wincon to infected, which might imply that true infected do gain knowledge of who their wincon includes

I already addressed this; if this is the case, in what scenario would Mafia want to kill an infected person?

[Voted]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

[Nahdia]

okay stop. STOP. the setup spec needs to stop. scum thrives when the game is in setup spec mode since people aren't actually hunting them. they can easily participate without having to fake stuff.

we're not just going to conveniently stumble into a game solve, or at the very least we shouldn't bank on that. our mod/reviewers definitely did their due diligence. We should be actually making cases and trying to form wagons here. that's what i want to see.

people actively trying to continue this setup spec convo are scum, starting now.

[Voted]

We are assuming players know they are infected on the night they get the virus.

I asked the mod. He said so.

Bullshit. I asked the mod and they said no comment.

VOTE: Voted

I asked if infected know if they are infected. Mod said yes.
The mod doesn't like you, probably.

[OkaPoka]

im more inclined to believe voted's argument b/c its shitty game design to have invisible infected people so lets just assume this is not shitty game design?

[Hoctac]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

Since if you're cured, your alignment becomes town again. And town are obviously going to win this game because they have the likes of me, Jake the Wolfie, 5G, and Saudade on their side.

[Voted]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

Since if you're cured, your alignment becomes town again. And town are obviously going to win this game because they have the likes of me, Jake the Wolfie, 5G, and Saudade on their side.

Changing your alignment to the winning faction doesn't help your faction win.

[Hoctac]

Jake's either trolling or he worded the question differently in a way which the mod couldn't answer.

[Hoctac]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

Since if you're cured, your alignment becomes town again. And town are obviously going to win this game because they have the likes of me, Jake the Wolfie, 5G, and Saudade on their side.

Changing your alignment to the winning faction doesn't help your faction win.

It's more of a morale boost.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

Since if you're cured, your alignment becomes town again. And town are obviously going to win this game because they have the likes of me, Jake the Wolfie, 5G, and Saudade on their side.

I mean, if you change your terminal goal to starve, then you've made life easier. No one wants to do that because you can't just easily change terminal goals.

[Covid 19]

Day 2 VC #7

Auro (0):
Hoctac (1): davesaz (2775)
5G Tower (0):
Jake the Wolfie (1): Aristophanes (3090)
Aristophanes (3): Alchemist21 (2731), Voted (2769), mastina (2852)
Quick (4): OkaPoka (2904), 50 Judge Powers (2919), Saudade (2924), gobbledygook (3083)
TrueSoulEnergy (1): Hoctac (2868)
Voted (1): Jake the Wolfie (3095)
Alchemist21 (2): Quick (2968), TrueSoulEnergy (2970)
Flavor Leaf (1): Auro (2722)
davesaz (2): Creature (2739), Nero Cain (2987)
mastina (1): Tchill13 (2830)
Tchill13 (0):
Saudade (1): Nahdia (3020)
Not Voting (2): Flavor Leaf, 5G Tower

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[Auro]

okay stop. STOP. the setup spec needs to stop. scum thrives when the game is in setup spec mode since people aren't actually hunting them. they can easily participate without having to fake stuff.

we're not just going to conveniently stumble into a game solve, or at the very least we shouldn't bank on that. our mod/reviewers definitely did their due diligence. We should be actually making cases and trying to form wagons here. that's what i want to see.

people actively trying to continue this setup spec convo are scum, starting now.

What's

easy

is calling out setup spec which both informs town on how to approach the game, and also refines scumhunting as being scummy.

Kinda cool how you spend a whole post doing this, and asking for cases and wagons, while not providing any of your own. How about you start?

VOTE: Nahdia

[Nahdia]

setup spec which both informs town on how to approach the game, and also refines scumhunting as being scummy.

no, it doesn't, and it never has. trust me.

[davesaz]

Split decision on what Auro said.
Setup spec can inform town on how to approach the game. It is situation dependent on whether it helps town more than it helps scum.
Scumhunting is never scummy. I have no idea where that thought came from.

[davesaz]

Discussion of whether infected can / should claim is fruitless. I would like to see that angle dropped entirely.
Only the mod can actually answer whether they can claim within the rules, and it's pointless to speculate on something we can't know the answer to.
I'd prefer we play the game the way it's meant to be played and not attempt to break it by testing boundaries. What fun is breaking it?
That said I'm not in love with the idea of potentially changing wincon given how well it went for me in the cult game earlier this year, but I'll take my chances.

[davesaz]

I think Nahdia's position is generally the correct position for town, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's AI to take that position.

[OkaPoka]

im not allowed to ask mech questions in thread but i suggest everyone pm the mod and get an answer

jake how did you word your question?

[Auro]

Scumhunting is never scummy. I have no idea where that thought came from.

Bad sentence formation: I was saying that the setup spec refines scumhunting, and therefore calling that setup spec scummy is bad.

[Nahdia]

i have been you. i have waded into the weeds of setup spec in theme games. and at the end of it, you have nothing but pages of fluff in which scum can hide. you don't know what the setup looks like. you're not going to make everyone "approach the game" in a different way with your brilliant insights. we all know this is a cult game, but frankly, our number one goal shouldn't be to kill the infected. it seems likely that there are ways for them to be cured. it should be to kill the people who have been scum from day one. so let's approach the game in that way, cool?

But since you ask, fine. How do people feel about a Saudade lynch?

His first day starts with a handful of pointless posts, followed by an OMGUS on Hoctac whom I'm reading as town. The mastina vote at 429 was particularly bad. and then he tunnels in on it to have a "justified stance" for awhile, something scum like to be seen having. then he starts asking for meta on her in case he needs to pivot... it feels transparent to me that it's theater. 1264 is again fucking zany.

[Auro]

I believe none of those things are AI for Saudade, and also for certain weak unstated reasons he's a better lynch later into the game. His play is pretty poor on a surface level, but I actually townread him mildly for it - I doubt that as scum he'd just not have stances at all and make zany posts which would only net more votes onto him.

Can you case Mastina? That would be more interesting.

[Auro]

it seems likely that there are ways for them to be cured.

I am not advocating lynching them, but rather identifying them.

[Auro]

I've seen a lot of slots call Mastina scum, and no strong reasoning. So I'm curious to know all of your cases.

[Nahdia]

I actually townread him mildly for it - I doubt that as scum he'd just not have stances at all and make zany posts which would only net more votes onto him.

Strongly disagreed. I understand where you're coming from here, but there's a line and he falls on the scum side of it. Town who do that come off as "i'm not putting too much thought into what people think of me" whereas scum who do it read more as "i don't want to take any stances besides ones i can find a hard justification for but i'm still trying not to fall too far to the background" (see: the mastina vote, his apparent "scumslip" on ETL which he didn't follow up on)


mastina I'm wary of but due to the state of this game rn I really don't want to lynch someone actually producing productive content but not also spamming the thread. I didn't take thorough notes while catching up so I don't have right in front of my why she came off as scummy. Can look back in a bit.

it seems likely that there are ways for them to be cured.

I am not advocating lynching them, but rather identifying them.

so you're looking for people that read as town d1 and then scum today? understanding that there is according to the daystart, only 1 of them, whereas there are 3 scum? sounds hard and also just not a priority at all to me.