SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[pisskop]

Pisskop is the new saudade.

Youre all dumb and I think Bingle is scum

[pisskop]

So whats the deal with 'infection'?

Is it a 'once a night, infect a player _or_ kill them' type of bit?

[pisskop]

Who is teh scum?

is it me?

[pisskop]

What is the aliment shifting that was mentioned in the replacement thread?

[pisskop]

*alignment shifting*

[pisskop]

No, Im just some crappy neighbor

[pisskop]

yea.

and to make it worse Im not gonna read 170 pages.

why does nadhia think Im scum? her iso looked like it thought you were.

[pisskop]

32 hour prods

[pisskop]

Tonight or tomorrow morning Ill read

all this 'stay at home' crap has been worse for my routine than 50+ hours of work a bit.

[pisskop]

Ari is now a townread

I'll hate myself for backing out of this read if it turns out he's scum but I actually agree on that.

Notably, in a similar read reversal:

I would happily wagon pisskop, too.
I initially was satisfied with pisskop's activity as probably being a town entrance, where he couldn't immediately gamesolve due to being a replacement but was still making effort.

That effort has completely and entirely disappeared, shrinking to absolute zero--and I would expect that more if pisskop were scum, sooooooooo.

I did an egosearch, and this shows up.

Its wrong, but it still shows up. Anyone here who has real insight on my playstyle knows that the effort I put in as scum vastly outweighs any effort I put in as town. As scum I plan, and do things, even if only behind the scene.

Im merely going through some personal things.

[pisskop]

Gobbles, youre right here. And its time you broke out of your 'pk always rolls scum' bit.

Do you think a statement such as 'pisskop would be more active if town' has any truth to it?

[pisskop]

I shall not be bullied by a bunch of people looking for the easiest scapegoat wagon.

[pisskop]

what did saud do that was scummy?

[pisskop]

Ill do a thing. tonight.

[pisskop]

boop

somehow my hoodmate got lynched? how and why?

[pisskop]

boop

somehow my hoodmate got lynched? how and why?

Why are you always scum.

You realize Ive played with 90% of this list, some of them for years and in dozens of games, and some of them from when I was an active player and some from when I was a total nub.

Some of these players have seen me grow up.

[pisskop]

this always scum meme is tiring. In fact, were I scum, Id use that as a cover to lurk out and not play, or at least make a scene about it.

[pisskop]

maybe scum but useless/maybe scum but useless/maybe scum but useless

these are all EZ scum pushes as well. I'd lynch them over all of them though.

this is a single post, but with it I have a fairly solid TR on nero.

[pisskop]

this always scum meme is tiring. In fact, were I scum, Id use that as a cover to lurk out and not play, or at least make a scene about it.

Is that not what you’ve been doing?

it was sardonic commentary

[pisskop]

but no, im just lurking, not really making a scene.

[pisskop]

I dont think Ive ever seen scum-turkey.

Whats your opinion on your scum-play, gobbles?

[pisskop]

I know Covid19’s moderator has abandoned us because they didn’t include a vig in this game. Or maybe the vig in this game has abandoned us bevause 5g should have been dead two nights ago

Mod has set up this factional arsonist game, its kind of really neat. Im positive there are vig-lite abilities.

[pisskop]

White Flag is a rough game to 'get gud' at being scum in.

[pisskop]

Anywho, you can maintain that me lurking is AI, but its really more depression or lethargy. Im working on it.



P:

Gobbles, why do you scumread me anywho? I dont think Ive done much that definitively AI in either direction

[pisskop]

beep

[pisskop]

one of neros scumreads is doing fuck and all in our hood

[pisskop]

I am not exactly reading, but yes, its 5g

[pisskop]

daily check in

[pisskop]

VOTE: pisskop

oof buddy

[pisskop]

I was talking it over with my hood, and I think there is a fairly reasonable chance we are all town.

Given the cultlike nature of the game, having scum in a hood kind of defeats the purpose of the hood, which is to provide a 'safespace' or at least pit one or more players against each other to confuse dynamics.

Thoughts? Are the infected recruited into the scum PT or are they more like traitors?

[pisskop]

I could live with voting nadhia off the island.

VOTE: nadhia

[pisskop]

Thats racist against snakes

[pisskop]

omg a gobbles wagon. now the shoes on the other snood, gobble

VOTE: gooble

[pisskop]

wait, boons is in this? o.o

[pisskop]

Nadhia, Im unlynchable under most circumstances.

[pisskop]

but then I still think that there being no new infection could mean that they just infected Blair and the "guilty" on Piss isn't really a guilty although he is doing next to nothing so I could see him flipping scum.

???

I have a guilty on me?

[pisskop]

That doesnt sound right.

[pisskop]

Should probably just lynch posskip at this point. If it's not him, then we lynch Gobsie tomorrow ez game

setting u lynches looks pretty shitty m8y

[pisskop]

Gobsie could be faking a guilty on you

did gobs claim a guilty on me?

[pisskop]

So lets be clear. In a cultist game youre going to try to kill someone you erroneously think is infected instead of scum?

[pisskop]

That said, is scum gobbles going to use a tracker claim to try to force a ML? . . .

[pisskop]

UNVOTE:

Vote changed because misinterpreted by the automated VCer. The original vote was VOTE UNVOTE.
~Covid 19

[pisskop]

What do I gain as scum or infected in this scenario?

You get to make a tunnel. Tunnels are powerful tools for masking your play

[pisskop]

So lets be clear. In a cultist game youre going to try to kill someone you erroneously think is infected instead of scum?

This is scummy. If it’s not aligned with the town, it goes.

i feel like thats not really the optimal way to play a multiball/3p game, but i wont get into that here.

[pisskop]

Legitimately Hectic just always votes for me and it’s super clucking annoying.

Why are you always scum.

[pisskop]

Thats a poor crumb. But I mean

[pisskop]

You didn't read

yes

[pisskop]

If we can guarantee a vig or if I am wrong about an un-infecter and they can target Pisskop we can lynch Ari since he has also infected and group scum equity. I think Pisskop is infected. It’s possible he isn’t but Occam’s razor from my point of view says he is. I am telling you right now though, that I am neither infected nor group scum so lynching me is tantamount to game throwing

willl you have some faith in me for once

[pisskop]

what?

[pisskop]

and pisskop has been evasive about it.

or Ive asked you to clarify. so far as i know we dont have a neighborizor

[pisskop]

daves posturing is worrisome

[pisskop]

5g is in my hood, and I ve stated my feels on the hood.

that said

VOTE: 5g I cant help you guys win if Im dead

[pisskop]

hmmmmmmm

[pisskop]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[pisskop]

hmmm

[pisskop]

VOTE: alchemist

[pisskop]

hmmmm

if I were a bear Id poop in the woods.

[pisskop]

well ba-baka

[pisskop]

Causes cancer anyway. Needs to go

this might be the best case Ive heard all game.

[pisskop]

if it saves my skin consider it done

[pisskop]

VOTE: 5g

[pisskop]

i was already voting you

[pisskop]

maybe but now its too late.

[pisskop]

And to make it even funnier if a 'curer' does die tonight I can claim to be clean so you wont know if I am infected or not.

[pisskop]

nanana na boo boo

[pisskop]

You cant trust a single thing I say

[pisskop]

Yes, actually. my position is quite interesting.

[pisskop]

do you not appreciate it?

[pisskop]

I guess not. see you in 68 hours

[pisskop]

5g was tiwn

[pisskop]

town

[pisskop]

fair.

a good pl is priceless

[pisskop]

nah

[pisskop]

VOTE: alchemist

[pisskop]

actually I do, but do you have anything you want to claim?

[pisskop]

this is me not trusting you. based on what Ive seen

[pisskop]

VOTE: unvote


Yea ive thought it over

[pisskop]

Fb you loveable scumbutt.

i luv u too

Voting for me is voting for an infected person and not actual scum

[pisskop]

Because I trust alchemist?

[pisskop]

more importantly, Im now able to conf alchi and myself.

[pisskop]

well, 'conf' as in, can prove we arent red scumlords spreading horrible diseases

[pisskop]

Fb you loveable scumbutt.

i luv u too

Voting for me is voting for an infected person and not actual scum

Oh so you do admit it

gobbles this isnt rocket science, I know you can logic this out with me.

[pisskop]

id be okay lynching piss too.

y tho

[pisskop]

vote flavor pls

probably, tbh

[pisskop]

VOTE: flavor


Nadhia does seem off, but IDK if its absolutely AI for them? idk.
Cheeks absolutely has a honey-pot dynamic going. As scum she tends to be very agreeable.

[pisskop]

gobs is still town. I think fire is too.

[pisskop]

nadhia, lets do a speak.


lets say you do lynch me. What do I flip (redscum or infected town)? how does that change the game or help your hypothetical green wincon?

[pisskop]

I dont pocket - ask anyone

[pisskop]

@fire

We arent buddies this game tho.

I TR you for playstyle reasons. Id prefer not to make you aware of the specifics if you dont already know the tells.

[pisskop]

@fire

We arent buddies this game tho.

I TR you for playstyle reasons. Id prefer not to make you aware of the specifics if you dont already know the tells.

i don't believe u have hidden tells i am not aware of. i don't think i played this differently than a scum me would so far.

okay, ill wait for you to do something definitely AI then?

[pisskop]

PK if you're infected aren't you supposed to be scumsiding rn?

In theory

[pisskop]

I have a very interesting position in that I was caught being red after I was green but I dont have to die?

[pisskop]

@fire

We arent buddies this game tho.

I TR you for playstyle reasons. Id prefer not to make you aware of the specifics if you dont already know the tells.

i don't believe u have hidden tells i am not aware of. i don't think i played this differently than a scum me would so far.

okay, ill wait for you to do something definitely AI then?

yes

fine by me, greenbody

[pisskop]

I have a very interesting position in that I was caught being red after I was green but I dont have to die?

you have to die since part of the town wincon is to lynch infected.

Not today I dont

[pisskop]

I care because I care about you, nero.

[pisskop]

And because Ive never been a dead man walking before. Not like this. Its exciting.

[pisskop]

And every time I hear people talk about melting I go to this:

[pisskop]

hey nero, why would you tell me that my wincon is to sit back and shut up?

[pisskop]

hey nero, why would you tell me that my wincon is to sit back and shut up?

you are confirmed scum and anytime someone is scum their job is to stay alive.

Isnt that what Im doing? staying alive.

What if youre scum and slipped up by trying to crosstalk to me

[pisskop]

What if youre scum and slipped up by trying to crosstalk to me

Why would I ever do that?

but if I was scum I'd hard veto ever recruiting you.

lol

[pisskop]

i think nadhia v flavor is the wagons of the day

[pisskop]

me too boons

[pisskop]

VOTE: nadhia coo coo lets do

[pisskop]

50, who did you replace; or conversely why havent you been posting?

[pisskop]

It’s PK, Arti, Hoctac and someone else.

this is an extra lazy/bad read list

[pisskop]

50, who did you replace; or conversely why havent you been posting?

You probably need to reread my latest posts or something. I don't care anymore. I wanted to side by town as a practice for scum hunting AND to avoid getting lynched myself, in hopes I'd achieve my wincon and leave. Now I'm just a survivour and will need to endgame, so I'm a little disenchanted.

soo youve been lurking for gamedays because you were infected last night?

[pisskop]

[pisskop]

btw, I wouldnt put it past scum to pretend to be infected

[pisskop]

VOTE: a50

[pisskop]

we cant all be town. An ari wagon is fine.

[pisskop]

if ya'll truely didnt care youd plop some votes out on the biggest wagons.

[pisskop]

We should look at the scum's only nightkill.

It was made for a reason, and the fact that the scum didnt make one last night should be telling.

[pisskop]

What if youre scum and slipped up by trying to crosstalk to me

Why would I ever do that?

but if I was scum I'd hard veto ever recruiting you.

Thats the wrong way to look at the game.

You arent 'recruiting' me.
I dont have access to the scum hood.
I dont know who the scum even is.

Why would you hard veto recruiting saud or me? it seems like a decent choice. Maybe mafia was going to use me as a beating pinata? In which case nadhia is a good choice. Or gobbles. I tr gobbles mostly for the claim, but dont mistake a tracker result/claim as an inno.

What if gobbles made it up because she knew I was infected; once you saw the role card it wouldnt be a huge leap.... especially if you were gonna fakeclaim anyway.

[pisskop]

I numbers are the name of the game than why wouldnt you infect me nero? I dont get where youre coming from, because it makes so little sense from a scum pov.

[pisskop]

its like you havent thought about the game mechanics at all.....

[pisskop]

I want you to talk this out with me - it might help me.

[pisskop]

My uneducated guess at a team is oka/nadhia/lickety, btw

[pisskop]

oka is feeling off this game, nadhia i think is scum by behavior, and lick is somebody i want to pressure into posting more.

[pisskop]

VOTE: pisskop

[pisskop]

weve already established that Im a subpar lynch.

[pisskop]

you dont have the votes. And you dont have the coordination.

That you arent even participating is enough for me to keep the vote on you.

[pisskop]

work with me instead of hiding.

[pisskop]

Id keep you alive if you helped me but u arent so bye bye

So instead we lynch an infected and advance the scum wincon?

Sounds great.

yea, he is blatently playing against town wincon.

[pisskop]

join me. for the lulz

[pisskop]

ok lets not be idiots here, the fact that you haven't been cured yet means there isn't a cure so why would i bother work with you

This is stupid, when clearly im here and playing. What a baseless assumption.

there is utility in flipping an infected in the sense that we get to know about infected utility and what they would know

And a very marginal one at that.


Information Lynch and Pre-Association Lynch, meet Utility Lynch. UL, meet your friends IL and PAL. Youre all equally valid a gameplay strategy.

[pisskop]

VOTE: unvote

[pisskop]

ok piss tell us what you know as infected pls

1: that if we have an infected player, they are either scum lying or (were) town.
1a: the mod will state how many new people were infected at day break. As long as we can keep track of who was infected we can mechaclear them. kind of, we know they arent og scum.
1b: for scum to lie about being infected, the townie who was infected has to keep their mouths shut about the lie. Harder than people might think, but by no means impossible.

2: I know that I share the scum wincon. Meaning that theoretically, I should be trying to muddy the waters and et al.

3: I dont know who scum is, nor why they would want to kill me, as an infected player. My guess is it provides some sort of night power.

4: the reason why scum got 2 factional kills was because they balanced out poorly versus mountainous without it.
4a: scum are weaker than town is.

5: Im clear from being og scum. A50 is . . . not? I dont want to, but Ill set him aside for later. Lets clear him on the assumption that scum arent as devious as I am.
5a: Alchi is clear based on what he sent to me last night. And no, Im not going into detail on that.
5b: assume gobbles is clear? a tracker claim. I didnt read it tbh, did it look good, like a push or like a confession?

[pisskop]

weve already established that Im a subpar lynch.

You still need to claim though.

I'll help you with that...

VOTE: Piss

this is scum btw

[pisskop]

have they made any votes that were not 'safe'? This isnt a player who is voting to win or pressure, its a time wasting vote. Meant to look busy.

[pisskop]

VOTE: LQ

[pisskop]

LQ should start playing before he gets lynched

[pisskop]

I didnt read it fully. eli5?

[pisskop]

so why cant you win?

[pisskop]

An anonymous reporter reports that

one

new infection occurred during the night.

An anonymous reporter reports that

zero

new infections occurred during the night.

An anonymous reporter reports that

one

new infection occurred during the night.

[pisskop]

It feels like Quick was infected last night or the night before. He went from mega-efforting with weird reads and associations to doing nothing.

People agree with this statement? Did LQ do things before yesterday? because he isnt even a blip on the radar for me.

[pisskop]

Because is A50 isnt infected, then LQ could have been?

[pisskop]

Then we could actually clear LQ until the endgame.

[pisskop]

I in good faith cant imagine he claimed survivor as a gambit.

I can believe he did so just now to mess with me.


This is why I ask questions.

[pisskop]

I think there are decent odds of you being scum. I refuse to go back and read your posts though.

[pisskop]

A50, its time to claim, 100% claim for realsies

[pisskop]

Why would I claim?

Im not getting run up for fakeclaiming

[pisskop]

Its very against my wincon to claim for no reason.

[pisskop]

hmmmmm

The game has a little more life breathed into it. This pleases me.

[pisskop]

Why would I claim?

Im not getting run up for fakeclaiming

Because you visited Blair and Blair died.

So they did

[pisskop]

If I promised it will all make sense down the line, will you agree to let this go?

[pisskop]

Because Im being as transparent as I can be without actually blowing my hand

[pisskop]

it feels like it might be possible that oka is just scum that's willing to sacrifice an infected Piss since Piss'll vote him.

yea, thats my primary reservation about oka

[pisskop]

LQ could be infected.

Infected people were town, and thus are not priority lynches

[pisskop]

Ok so Arti, Hoctac and PK are all scum
So what we do is we brake the game if me Day Vigilante with 3 shots and let me shoot all of them and then we only have 2 scum to deal with instead of 5.
How does that sound?

This is silly. Hoc is in my hood.

Are you claiming to believe that 2/3 scum are in the same hood?

[pisskop]

I was infected night 1.

[pisskop]

ill bet you i wont be

[pisskop]

naw dogs

[pisskop]

lynching the not-recruiter in a cult-like is not a game winning prostrat

[pisskop]

I forget who im voting.

i dont think LQ is a great lynch tbh. not convinced theyre town tho.

[pisskop]

If I promised it will all make sense down the line, will you agree to let this go?

[pisskop]

*shrug* i mean im not the one who's in danger of being lynched.

[pisskop]

i do think its unhealthy to focus on what Im doing instead of playing mafia tho.

[pisskop]

Is there a case on A50 beyond the 3p claim?

fire and flavor havnt posted yet, but the lack of hammer might be okay?
VOTE: unvote

[pisskop]

hmmmmmmm

^^ still scum, but to answer that question:

1: Saud hates playing as scum. demonstrably replaces out of more games as scum.
2: my meta isnt to shit around like this as scum
3: the hood in a cult mechanic point still applies
4: there is no cure mechanic i thought?

[pisskop]

NAdhia still scum, that is.


flavor may not be.

[pisskop]

your thoughts on a50 fakeclaiming?

[pisskop]

hoc's not scum

[pisskop]

hes in my hood and youve already gutted it out _for _no_ _reason_

[pisskop]

honestly i think that 50 was infected.

I want to lynch og scum, not waste time on infected.

[pisskop]

I feel lonely in there, posskop.

its a lonely hood now that theyve persecuted half of us

[pisskop]

itt lets just lynch the hood

[pisskop]

Not Voting (16): CheekyTeeky, Hoctac, Almost50, gobbledygook, Flavor Leaf, OkaPoka, Auro, Alchemist21, pisskop, davesaz, Aristophanes, LicketyQuickety, TrueSoulEnergy, Firebringer, Nahdia, Nero Cain

cheeks
hoctac
pisskop
gobbles
alchemist
nero


oka
lq
flavor
ari
firebringer


auro
almost
dave


tse
nadhia

The top tier is town, the bottom 2 tiers should be lynched.

[pisskop]

honestly i didnt remember tse was in the game until he came in and suggested we powerlynch the hood instead of the 14 other players in the game. shameful.

[pisskop]

really telling that dave's big scumhunting strat this game is spec101

[pisskop]

VOTE: tse

[pisskop]

What role did he crumb hoc?

[pisskop]

amazing and totally not scummy

[pisskop]

hmm well maybe its a pr. that kind of behavior isnt out of question for town with a pr or w.e.

[pisskop]

The more I pay attention the more accurate I become.

is tse usually this blustery?

[pisskop]

The way I read the setup it helps town not scum.

eli5

Remind me why ot helps town to lynch infected.

wtf is with the guy with 'the thinker' as an avatar arguing with negatives?

[pisskop]

So again, why does lynching infected, who arent infecting more people, better or equal to lynching scum?

[pisskop]

Youre postulating that its perfectly acceptable to lynch a cultist instead of the leader. thats a losing proposition

[pisskop]

besides, hoc is hella-not scum. Youre using this hood as an excuse to not play. Weve already flipped 2 people from it, I am confirmed not original scum, and hoc is superfuckintown

[pisskop]

He isnt just doing nothing though. In the hood he's really annoying

[pisskop]

hes all 'pk, how do you know so many things' and 'pk, you

have

to tell me how you got so awesome at mafia'.

[pisskop]

besides, sit there and actually try to justify trying to lynch in the 4-man hood for a third time.

its quite literally a scum's wet dream to see a hood get run through because of some baseless spec

[pisskop]

I'm pretty sure of it.

que? you dont know?

[pisskop]

VOTE: Almost50

good enough for me.

Like I always say, what's good for the geese
Is always good for the gander
Oh, Sheila

VOTE: A50

Let's give Scum their win.

You self hammered. *slow clap*

so any final words?

[pisskop]

we arent lynching hoctac

[pisskop]

we arent wasting yet another day lynching somebody from mine own hood instead of actually fuckin scumhunting

[pisskop]

Hoctac (4): TrueSoulEnergy (6730), davesaz (6704), OkaPoka (6486), Almost50 (6805)

this whole wagon is full of suspect players.

[pisskop]

Give me a concrete example of why Hoctac is town, that isn't based on memeing / not giving a shit about the game.

give me a concrete example that he's the best wagon for you. Show me an example where he is more likely scum than any other player.

Youre being lazy and looking scummy dave.

[pisskop]

My third biggest issue with everyone on the hoc wagon is that tomorrow when he flips town theyll just be there holding their dicks and going 'oops' and having nothing else to say. this unsubstantive wagon built on nothing but 'he's doing nothing' and daves 101spec is garbo. and its choking the game.

[pisskop]

each and every player voting for hoc is a better lynch than hoc

[pisskop]

I'm by far the towniest poster in this game.

[pisskop]

Saudade has replaced out of every game I've been in with him save for our last scum game he was in with me.

why do you have a massive murderfetish for me?

[pisskop]

Right but there are literally other scum. my role still has 'town' in it

[pisskop]

Youre, like, being unreasonably stubborn about this instead of stepping back and asking yourself what my play today means

[pisskop]

not even considering your lynch is stupid.

not even considering my lynch is a sign of how charismatic I can be

[pisskop]

Nero, lets pretend I was confirmed, mechacleared, uttered known to be town. then who is scum?

[pisskop]

all you have to do is read

you know I dont do this

[pisskop]

trying to throw shade on me

and you know I dont do that

[pisskop]

are you going to answer how your reads will change if I were town?

[pisskop]

I suppose Piss should claim then, right?

not going to claim, its continuously scummy that you ask

[pisskop]

I am sad to see nahdia go.