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VC 2.2

Fenraiser
NorwegianboyEE (1) - SirCakez
ManateeDude
Black Ranger (1) - Titus
Wake88
fwogcarf
Umlaut (1) - Black Ranger
Titus
CantLynchAPuppy
SirCakez (3) - Nahdia, NorwegianBoyEE, Umlaut [ - 3]
Nahdia

Not Voting

(5) - Fenraiser, ManateeDude, Wake88, fwogcarf, CantLynchAPuppy

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to remove someone from the town.

Wake was not prodded in reality, but he would have been prodded at this VC.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-22 08:00:00)[/color]

[NorwegianboyEE]

On second thought, i'd like a wagon on Cakez a lot more considering Umlaut did vote Drew early, and basic logic suggests there isn't much reason for Drew's scum buddy to put the spotlight on him early when Manatee still seemed like a viable wagon close to deadline.
Black Ranger. You should change vote to Cakez too.

[Fenraiser]

On 2nd look, Drew being uncomfortable with meta kinda makes it seem like he might have been trying to overcompensate to look like town. Like, he could have been so focused on Manatee possibly being town for towncred (and emphasizing that Mana would be a poor mislynch which could be an unintentional scum!tmi at Mana!town) and never really considered he'd be put up to vote (his wagon was a surprise tbh). Drew's Norwee vote piggybacking on Umlaut could mean that what Drew might have been going for was stopping any wagons from consolidating by sowing a fuck ton of chaos by scumreading and scum pinging multiple people with not much care to actually lynch someone but just self-preserve. A Drew bus from Manatee isn't optimal even if Manatee was a strongman if you look at this from a late game perspective. If Manatee is town, he should have kept his mouth shut but he didn't.

[Fenraiser]

That is the pool I want to kill today.

Do you have a particular preference for who to lynch out of them?

I have one preference but I need to reread them.

[Fenraiser]

We need four votes in a few hours. This is not looking good. I have faith though.

Oh, you’re right.
VOTE: Drew-sta
This has the most votes right?

I kinda agree with Cakez, especially with the question thrown in tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see why that should matter. I didn't pay too much attention at the time at which wagon was leading between Manatee and Drew.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Main point was getting a lynch as having one is better than nothing.

[Fenraiser]

I don't see why that should matter. I didn't pay too much attention at the time at which wagon was leading between Manatee and Drew.

What do you mean you didn't pay too much attention who was leading? Why not?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see why that should matter. I didn't pay too much attention at the time at which wagon was leading between Manatee and Drew.

What do you mean you didn't pay too much attention who was leading? Why not?

Because i was still voting Cakes and then the deadline came up without me realizing it.

[SirCakez]

cakez can you explain why you felt like you looked bad coming into today?

I sorta already talked about this. Umlaut is pretty accurate. I just wanted to address the elephant in the room.

After looking at these counts, I agree: he really doesn't look great. He naked-voted onto the Manatee wagon in a way that and then disappeared when the Drew wagon appeared.

This is accurate ftr
I didn't really engage Drew much at all. He was totally in my Blindspot.

Also I'm hesitant to call the Manatee wagon scum driven now that Umlaut brings back up who was actually on it

:\ game is hard. maybe it's nothing. i do agree the way he outed them just by calling agreeing with someone "sheeping" with no explanation is a bit flat.

I didn't know what else term to use there. Like is there a word for "agreeing with someone else and just following them without making a point of your own"?

[Titus]

We need four votes in a few hours. This is not looking good. I have faith though.

Oh, you’re right.
VOTE: Drew-sta
This has the most votes right?

I kinda agree with Cakez, especially with the question thrown in tbh.

My other bussing suspect agrees. Likely rules out w v w.

[fwogcarf]

Spoiler:

The first post that irks me was this one that he made about puppy

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

His response is also weird because he immediately votes bob with nothing in that post signifying anything scummy about bob in it.

I had reasons in my head and Bob was the most prominent at the time for being scum even if I didn't voice them out loud. Also 342 shows this.

Hmm is CantLynchAPuppy town or is puppy just really cute?

why ask this question

I would lean town just from post tone but avi+name and being a puppy might have influenced the lean subconciously so I am a bit cautious.

On another note,

VOTE: Bob

I didn't see any read progression on Cakez after his random pop-in calling him town. I can sort of see his train of thought but when I reread it a couple of times it just looks like fluff.

I thought Cakez's reads progressions were genuine esp. with his calling out Norwee for allegedly defending BR.

Then this happens

And manatee what makes you think your posts are better than cakes?

Do you still feel liek cake is exaggerating what nord said considering he has clarified his stance on nord. With his stance being a slight scum read and not strong one.

A fine question Bob. I am also interested in what Manatee has to say.

Fen, what is the reason you respond to this post here? You've voted bob which likely means you scumread him. But then you agree with him that you also want manatee's opinion on the matter?

I responded because I agree that Manatee should get his butt in gear. I can agree with someone even if I scumread them btw fwog. While I scumread the slot, I'm also open that I might be wrong.

His D1 attitude seems a little over the top. While it's not exactly like Drew, where Drew gave one - three liners in their responses, Fen feels like Drew but with more words.

Day 2 he clears Umlaut although he found a legitimate reason to scumread them D1 near the end of the day. Why does that reason not still stand? Just because Drew pushes BR and Umlaut doesn't mean that they're locktown. He also never explained his clearing of Norwegian.

I realized I messed up quotes in regards to Norwee. I may have to reread him again. He seemed townier to me than Cakez but gonna reread because it's been a while.

@Fwog

Hmm, alright then

[ManateeDude]

the arguement that im scumbuddies with Drew is bizarre honestly. on top of the fact that I was in a way worse place and mafia neopolitan is a fairly strong role especially in a (near) mini so it seems unlikely a stronger mafia role exists. why would I bus drew like that at EoD?? I was in a substantially worse place then him and lynching me if I was scum is always a better scenario bc I have next to no associations

What reads do you feel most confident in right now?

Cakez as scum and Fwog & Fen as town

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Unofficial votecount -

SirCakez (3): Nahdia, Norwee, Umlaut
Black Ranger (1): Titus
Umlaut (1): Black Ranger
Norwee (1): SirCakez

Not voting (5): Fenraiser, Manateedude, Wake88, fwogcarf, CantLynchAPuppy

[NorwegianboyEE]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

[Fenraiser]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

[Fenraiser]

@Norwee

Could you explain your Cakez reads progression? Walk me through again because I'm mostly seeing your early posts on Cakez and my impression is that you didn't like Cakez posts more than you thought Cakez's posts came from scum.

[Fenraiser]

gonna go ahead and plug that i actually think manatee was a decent lynch, for the post i highlighted (536, reasons in 630). if this flips town should seriously look at how that wagon got derailed.

@Puppy

Why is this towny? This is way more awkward than towny so explain from your POV please.

[Fenraiser]

Now here, I really find it unlikely that scum would have bused (unless it was Manatee, but I think that's unlikely too for the reasons I already said).

i think after titus joined the wagon and gave it the official stamp of "let's do this," then it becomes reasonable to suspect a bus. so imo Norwegian, Fen, and Nahdia are all still worth thinking about

Not Nahdia. She could have lurked out the deadline IMO.

@Titus

From a scum!Nahdia POV, if they know you are confirmed town and that you have some experience playing with them, do you think it would have been more scummy for them to not try and consolidate the wagons D1 and "lurk" out and thus they decided to bus drew knowing this?

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

I'm going on Norwe's post here and how he emphasizes that he suspects Umlaut and myself for pushing a wagon on him (even though I didn't actually push a wagon on him yesterday). It seems like they pushed me = scum trying to wagon me.

[SirCakez]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

I was also wondering this btw seems kind of weird since I've been his top scumread all game iirc

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

I'm going on Norwe's post here and how he emphasizes that he suspects Umlaut and myself for pushing a wagon on him (even though I didn't actually push a wagon on him yesterday). It seems like they pushed me = scum trying to wagon me.

I guess this isn't exactly OMGUS but I don't know a better thing to call it

[NorwegianboyEE]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

I was also wondering this btw seems kind of weird since I've been his top scumread all game iirc

My first concern was he was bussing. But the fact that you're pointing it out as weird makes that possibility seem less likely.

[Wake1]

I'm struggling hard to find time for this game.

I will be off work tonight for awhile.

[Umlaut]

Wake pls

We're halfway through day 2, after a day 1 that ran to deadline, and you haven't cast a vote yet this game.

I get that you're crazy busy but if you're going to play this game you have to... play this game.