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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:00 pm

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The scum NPC is untargetable and unblockable, no? So a jailkeep can be overridden by the factional assassinate if they know where they are, I thought.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:03 pm

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In post 549, Rubicon wrote:Plan Assassination seems really anti-town in the early game phases, but I don't feel good about restricting town kill power later on. Yes, this might backfire horribly, but still - sometimes you get into a situation where you need an extra kill to win.
What kind of situation? If there's any very special situation, town can collectively agree to allow vigs at that point, no?
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:10 pm

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In post 0, Albert B. Rampage wrote:-Arrest second-in-command (type: Arrest: Player1's 2nd (only works if they are in capital city) (burst) (public)
COs can just neuter Power Brokers and then hope to get the Escape gift today, while the Power Brokers are still in Capital and there's nothing to flip :P
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:15 pm

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In post 551, Auro wrote:What kind of situation? If there's any very special situation, town can collectively agree to allow vigs at that point, no?
Sure, and "never assassinate anyone secretly or without getting town approval" is a version of the rule I would fully support.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:16 pm

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In post 552, Auro wrote:
In post 0, Albert B. Rampage wrote:-Arrest second-in-command (type: Arrest: Player1's 2nd (only works if they are in capital city) (burst) (public)
COs can just neuter Power Brokers and then hope to get the Escape gift today, while the Power Brokers are still in Capital and there's nothing to flip :P
Basically I hate this and think it's anti-fun but it might also be optimal, so whatever.
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:16 pm

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People I don't want to lynch: Elena, LQ, Aero, votato, kmd.

There's definitely scum in that list somewhere, but we can get them later.

I'd be down to lynch Firebringer (obvious scum with zero pro-town posts), Nero Cain (artificial / poorly reasoned reads), or Porkens (??).

VOTE: Firebringer
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:19 pm

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In post 553, Rubicon wrote:Sure, and "never assassinate anyone secretly or without getting town approval" is a version of the rule I would fully support.
Of course! These can conditionally arise at any point; I'd still like it known that generally they're bad for reasons I've stated.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:21 pm

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In post 554, Rubicon wrote:Basically I hate this and think it's anti-fun but it might also be optimal, so whatever.
COs can also just disband guards. I'm ok with LQ disbanding mine, as I won't be having any use for one.
Also hey - if assassinations and kidnaps are fun, then arrests should also be equally fun, natch ;)
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:22 pm

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You shouldn't disband your guard. It protects you from House Arrest and Take Hostage, and you can't House Arrest anyone else if you lose your guard.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:25 pm

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In post 558, Rubicon wrote:You shouldn't disband your guard. It protects you from House Arrest and Take Hostage, and you can't House Arrest anyone else if you lose your guard.
I'll be traveling every day to a different castle. If I have to go with my guard, it'll take two day phases, and since I'm known to be in the Capital during the second phase (I reach in the third) I can get NK'd. Anyone who travels with guards moves slow outside the Capital.

I don't plan on House Arresting anyone anyway.

So as far as personal play is concerned, my Guard is useless - there's more value IMO in having a CO disband my Guard to rand an Escape power.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:26 pm

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In post 555, Rubicon wrote:People I don't want to lynch: Elena, LQ, Aero, votato, kmd.

There's definitely scum in that list somewhere, but we can get them later.
this is ewwww
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:29 pm

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votato, rubi and ygrite team?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:30 pm

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In post 554, Rubicon wrote:
In post 552, Auro wrote:
In post 0, Albert B. Rampage wrote:-Arrest second-in-command (type: Arrest: Player1's 2nd (only works if they are in capital city) (burst) (public)
COs can just neuter Power Brokers and then hope to get the Escape gift today, while the Power Brokers are still in Capital and there's nothing to flip :P
Basically I hate this and think it's anti-fun but it might also be optimal, so whatever.
I changed my mind, this is a pretty good plan.

Once we have more information the COs can release the Power Brokers they think are town.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:30 pm

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Can the scum NPC bypass Escape Plan too?
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:31 pm

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In post 560, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 555, Rubicon wrote:People I don't want to lynch: Elena, LQ, Aero, votato, kmd.

There's definitely scum in that list somewhere, but we can get them later.
this is ewwww
Which part, the reads or the part about getting possible scum in the list later?
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:32 pm

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In post 563, Rubicon wrote:Can the scum NPC bypass Escape Plan too?
Oh yeah good question, thanks. In my mind Evade didn't count as a block.

@mod: Do Jailkeeps and Escape Plan evasions block scum NPC's assassinations?
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:32 pm

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the part about scum in the list for later
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:34 pm

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Fellow Nobles, please call your banners so we can move armies into the Capital! If scum end up wiping out a lot of COs we can retain some of the power.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:41 pm

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In post 566, Nero Cain wrote:the part about scum in the list for later
I probably could have phrased that better. To be clear, "don't want to lynch" means they've all done things I liked, but they're not super strong townreads yet. I'll continue to look at them but there are scummier players like Firebringer that I'd prefer to lynch first.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:43 pm

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In post 561, Nero Cain wrote:votato, rubi and ygrite team?
Have you explained either of the votato/ygritte reads yet?
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:46 pm

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how can you ask that if you already called my reasoning poor?
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:47 pm

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I think Porkens is a better lynch than all of them, personally.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:49 pm

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possibly but isn't pork like...always lynchbait?
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:50 pm

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In post 570, Nero Cain wrote:how can you ask that if you already called my reasoning poor?
Would you explain those two reads, please?
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:52 pm

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In post 571, Auro wrote:I think Porkens is a better lynch than all of them, personally.
I kind of feel like it’s possible he believes this is pro-town play LOL

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