Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

iamuser vs gc doesn't inspire any confidence at all.

One guy has 2 votes and the other "is calling people out while not doing much".

Okay.

I have a town read on Hoopla.

Other than that nothing pops out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

2 posts*

[Blair]

People keep shading the iamausername wagon over IIAU having two posts as if it were a holistic case or something. It wasn't. It's based off of one scummy post. There can be one scummy post in two.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm going to give IIAU a break, I don't think it was scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

This is moderately scummy.

VOTE: VP Baltar

[Llamarble]

VP is a solid vote; he might be the scum I missed if GC is town.
VOTE: Auro
I'm guessing "he seems a lot like scum-llamarble" won't be enough to get you all there, but I need to be here right now for sanity.

Blair who are IAAU's buddies? Who definitely isn't IAAU's buddies?

[Starbuck]

is this aimed at me

It's aimed at everyone that I don't really know. I mean, hell, folks that I haven't chatted with in ages could do it, too, if they felt like it.

Random thought I don't get why anyone likes to be a VT.

I have looked at so many of my role PMs and just sighed upon reading that I'm in yet another VT slot. On one side, it's like okay, I don't have to give a single fuck, but on the other, things are so boring. It's kind of why I always enjoyed the all powered games on the View Askew Board back in the day.

don't know how to respond to this sort of criticism. Is there something that seems insincere about it? Sure i couuuld be playing a gimmick so i don't have to pretend to scumhunt or so i can "avoid scrutiny", but also i could just as easily try to fake a bunch of reads and put on my towniest face if i were scum

is there a specific reason you think that's what's happening here?

pedit: your intutition is off then !

one of the lamentable things about intuition is converting those subconscious rumblings into words. here's an attempt:

opening games tend to fragment into themes - jokers/questionnairers/wagoners etc. alliance crafting/cuteness riffing seemed like the dominant theme on page 1. i expect that scum upon observing the main narrative, tend to play along with it, as its the safest entry into the game. the continued adherence to the established running joke being an exercise in avoidance. a shield, if you will.

i really like this post. a lot.

SAME

not scum together but this call and response isn't great for either

tbh i'd be fine with just lynching from this pool of people who want to talk about themselves

then only starbuck gets suspicion points

Why?

@starbuck: what are you hoping to gain asking people a bunch of non game related questions

To GTKAS the folks that I don't really know. This is an Invitational and I'd like to know why some of these players were chosen over others folks that I've seen on site since I've been back. On top of that, a little vulnerability goes a long way with me and I expect those who may be town-aligned to be more forthright than those who may not be.



Morning Tweet! Is that a bat in your avatar? Because OMG.

[Auro]

If Mr Llamabro did describe his case in words, I would point out the faulty premise that I made that kind of post unprompted, and explain that my change in posting style was deliberate, partly in reaction to Hoopla's push for content, Reckoner's push for concision.

[Blair]

Blair who are IAAU's buddies? Who definitely isn't IAAU's buddies?

It's early to partner hunt him, but if I had to, I would expect at least one on-wagon early bus and at least one off-wagon detractor.

On-wagon: Could be VP Baltar. He felt the need to over explain why he was sheeping me. Could denote self consciousness.

Off-wagon: Porkens or Llamarble. Porkens took a direct stab at the wagon based on IIAU's post count. Llamarble indirectly did the same by bringing it up under the guise of helpfully describing the wagon.

[Auro]

Blair: do you not feel that Porken's pointing out that the posted sample PM was slightly different from his received PM was pretty town indicative?

[Kmd4390]

I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.

Unvote, Vote iamausername

why dont you like the GC votes

They feel like a wagon for the sake of a wagon. Almost every vote felt random. Hoopla had four votes which made her the lead wagon then all of the sudden starts selling green crayons as THE wagon that everyone needs to be on and says there's town points in it for everyone who jumps on then it just becomes a thing. Puppy jumps on. You jump on. Agar jumps on and now there's four votes and I have no idea why. Every one of those votes rubbed me the wrong way. While I seriously doubt that's a wagon of four scum, I'd be absolutely shocked if it wasn't at least 1-2, especially involving hoopla who I'd otherwise been townreading. Even llamarble didn't add anything when he voted. So five votes and zero stated reasons.

[Porkens]

Blair who are IAAU's buddies? Who definitely isn't IAAU's buddies?

It's early to partner hunt him, but if I had to, I would expect at least one on-wagon early bus and at least one off-wagon detractor.

On-wagon: Could be VP Baltar. He felt the need to over explain why he was sheeping me. Could denote self consciousness.

Off-wagon: Porkens or Llamarble. Porkens took a direct stab at the wagon based on IIAU's post count. Llamarble indirectly did the same by bringing it up under the guise of helpfully describing the wagon.

Exaueeze me? To what stab do you refer?

[Starbuck]

exciting times. i must say, what a treat for mafia enthusiasts watching along witnessing such a high level of play

I am VP Baltar, and this...is my Masterclass.

I giggled way too hard because all I pictured was:

also pointed out that Starbuck interaction as a "bad look" - what's the association, here, again? And besides, why do Starbuck's RQS and my answer look bad? Is it the mere fact that we're making conversation that's "not game relevant"?

I'm looking forward to an answer to this.

I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.

What about them in particular?

Explain to me gc vs iamuser

and use quotes

Yeah, I need this, but just about IAUN.

[Blair]

IAUN has dos posts

[Blair]

Blair: do you not feel that Porken's pointing out that the posted sample PM was slightly different from his received PM was pretty town indicative?

I thought it was pretty obvious that the format was different. Unless you think only the VT PM's are different, I don't see the town tell here, feels more like LAMIST.

[Porkens]

That’s a stab at a wagon? Can you explain how?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.

You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?

[Blair]

The reason for my IIAU vote, for those who were asking:

[Llama's] reads roughly mirror what i am seeing - especially at the extremes.

+

i don't think abr's opening is suspicious for him. he's a polarising character that is always going to attempt to reinvent the wheel in some way or another early in the game, and probably as either alignment.

is odd, when one of Llama's 'extremes' is that ABR is the scummiest player.

alright, i'm in.

VOTE: Hoopla

This feels a bit disingenuous to me. Hoopla can agree with ABR being scummy while also believing his opening was NAI.

Also liking Hoopla's posts so far, so:

UNVOTE: Hoopla
VOTE: iamausername

To add on to that, I broadly find that when someone claims they have caught somebody being inconsistent, but the inconsistent statements coexist in the same exact post, it's more often a bad faith reading of thecpost than a genuine scum-contradiction.

[Starbuck]

Also, KMD, I see your response to Reck above. No need to repeat yourself.

[Blair]

That’s a stab at a wagon? Can you explain how?

A stab as in an attack, not a stab as in an attempt

[Starbuck]

IAUN has dos posts

To be fair, UT has 4 and AGar has 5.

I don't care for policy lynches. I may have back in the day, but not so much now. Too many scum can hide in that and to push a policy doesn't really come off as pro-town.

[Green Crayons]

Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.

You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?

Your exaggerated windup to a GC vote is pretty blatant.

- "building a case" was me noting an early D1 suspicion, that auro asked me to restate and explain. a suspicion I'm so won over by that Llama criticized me for *not* voting you over it.

- "why not ask me to explain like Reck did" --> lol why would I repeat Reck's question?

- "Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade? --> there's nothing to have a conversation over. You created an empty calorie discussion point. It makes you look busy without contributing to scum hunting. That's worthy of suspicion, minor as it might be, and I voiced it.

But, really? "hellbent" "throw shade"

My goodness we're sensitive to the slightest suspicion. VOTE: Starbuck

[Green Crayons]

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

This is moderately scummy.

VOTE: VP Baltar

idgi

is Baltar buddying me?

[Llamarble]

Off-wagon: Porkens or Llamarble. Porkens took a direct stab at the wagon based on IIAU's post count. Llamarble indirectly did the same by bringing it up under the guise of helpfully describing the wagon.

Agree with VP + IAAU (I think if it's not GC, those two + Reck + Auro is best)

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.

My pointing out there are two posts here was more along "IAAU has 2 posts and therefore the basis of the wagon on him on him is simple - one of the two posts votes the kind of minor inconsistency scum like" lines than "IAAU is scummy because he has 2 posts."

[Green Crayons]

You should know better than to do associative suspicions on page 14.