Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Auro]

Are pagetops scummy?

[Starbuck]

The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.

can you quote blair making this accusation

Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning. I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.

Reading through her ISO, though, I'm bothered by the posts when Reck or Llamarble voted for someone other than IAUN and her telling them they were voting for the wrong person. I just don't think that adds to discussion. You aren't going to shame people onto the wagon that you want to see happen.

I see similarities between the way that she's approaching IAUN with how GC is approaching me. Just talking about someone without talking to the actual person, especially after only 2 posts in the game. She didn't ask IAUN to explain themselves, she just made an assumption and went with it. What happened to actually investigating and talking to those you suspect?

[VP Baltar]

On-wagon: Could be VP Baltar. He felt the need to over explain why he was sheeping me. Could denote self consciousness.

I stan you and this is your response! rude af

unvote

Agree with VP + IAAU (I think if it's not GC, those two + Reck + Auro is best)

I got to say, I find this fringing on the point of silly and distracting.

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

im lurking, mafia philosophy is kinda boring and i don't feel like inventing some strong takes so i can effortpost with the big boys

^Town response.

I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.

not sure how you could see this as a personal sleight (that I'm somehow calling you an ass?), so inclined to think this is manufactured

This fight does strike me as odd.

Starbuck, do you find GC scummy or just irritating?

i'll have you know some wallpaper is fucking beautiful

If i could put a face with a wall, it would be yours <3

UNVOTE:

huh? explain.

[CantHateAPuppy]

The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.

can you quote blair making this accusation

Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning. I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.

Reading through her ISO, though, I'm bothered by the posts when Reck or Llamarble voted for someone other than IAUN and her telling them they were voting for the wrong person. I just don't think that adds to discussion. You aren't going to shame people onto the wagon that you want to see happen.

I see similarities between the way that she's approaching IAUN with how GC is approaching me. Just talking about someone without talking to the actual person, especially after only 2 posts in the game. She didn't ask IAUN to explain themselves, she just made an assumption and went with it. What happened to actually investigating and talking to those you suspect?

i ask because (like blair says) your take on her wagon is so uncharitable that i manly just wanna know why

why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?

[Auro]

huh? explain.

I gut-townread Green Crayons from his posts.

[CantHateAPuppy]

vpb feels a lot more unguarded than his last scum game, feels a lot more unfiltered, minor town read

[VP Baltar]

huh? explain.

I gut-townread Green Crayons from his posts.

You're gonna have to do better than that.

[Auro]

I have more articulate reads for other slots

[Auro]

Do you want to talk about any of my other reads I've given reasons for?

[Starbuck]

her outrage at any suggestion that this might not be the most useful thing to be doing doesn't feel forced.

Outrage is a strong word. Like there's a lot of harsh adjectives being used concerning me and that's not how I feel at all.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, do you find GC scummy or just irritating?

Irritating. Hence, no vote.

[Starbuck]

why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?

I just think assumptions aren't a good premise for scumhunting. It may be a playstyle difference. I feel it's more town to ask someone to elaborate than to just put words in their mouth and cause a ruckus when your concerns could be addressed fairly easily if you ask. Accompany those questions with a vote, absolutely, but the lack of questions is more concerning to me than the vote itself.

[Auro]

What's your read on me, Starbuck?

[Blair]

IIAU voted for Hoopla for supposedly contradicting herself via two statements within the very same post.

Given that even scum can easily manage to remain internally consistent long enough to finish a single post and click submit, I determined it was a bad-faith reading.

There really is no good response to that accusation for IIAU, so I didn't ask for one.

[farside22]

Thats pretty weak. I remember you as TH having some good views and then in animal upick you hydra in that and pushed scum reads there as well.

Which parts of my views are bad? Just the view that "adding momentum to a growing wagon on early D1 is good", or any of my townreads, or anything else?

I was a lurker in Animal U-Pick: I called out at least two scum and voted them, but didn't really attempt to gain wagons on either. Do you disagree with this assessment of my play there?

i mean, UT is late to the party, but he's voicing the same suspicion, just not directed at anyone specifically:

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

im lurking, mafia philosophy is kinda boring and i don't feel like inventing some strong takes so i can effortpost with the big boys

I'll tell you a secret: a lot of times when people post a lot of words it's because they have nothing to say

there's a fine line to walk between explanation and obfuscation. a lot of the previous pages falls into the latter category

tbf, I think UT's invocation of the suspicion is actually suspicious in itself because of how unobtrusive it is.

UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: Blair

I'm still not liking that policy push.

Sorry, which policy push from Blair? The game is a bit of a haze.

The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.

UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: Blair

I'm still not liking that policy push.

My vote on IIAU is pretty clearly not a policy push. You have me confused with someone else.

How is Post 338 not policy?

She voted IAAU because IAAU based their vote on the kind of dubious inconsistency scum tend to base their votes on.

Now I get why Blair was frustrated...

why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?

I just think assumptions aren't a good premise for scumhunting. It may be a playstyle difference. I feel it's more town to ask someone to elaborate than to just put words in their mouth and cause a ruckus when your concerns could be addressed fairly easily if you ask. Accompany those questions with a vote, absolutely, but the lack of questions is more concerning to me than the vote itself.

I could name about 3 or 4 other players doing just that. I don't see it as a reason to scum read a player. Even Iam said his vote was bad, sooooo????

[farside22]

Sigh. One day I will commit to preview post.
I had a lot more to say and just lost focus.

Auro: I recall in the game you were pushing chemist day 1 pretty hard. I recall the vote on votato as well but you had reasons I thought for each of those pushes. Not lol wagon ho.
So of the quotes above where already responding to my thoughts toward SB with llama's post 397

[Auro]

I could name about 3 or 4 other players doing just that. I don't see it as a reason to scum read a player. Even Iam said his vote was bad, sooooo????

Adding to the momentum of a wagon early D1 doesn't need me to necessarily scumread the person, no?

[Porkens]

here's one: Reck saying "oh, UT is probably scum here", me saying "yeah but I'll NK you later bb" and them him saying "okay I'll leave UT alone til Day 3" is the dance we do when we're both town or both scum

lynch one of us to find out which it is!

spoiler alert:

we're both town

oh no, you have me doing self-meta. bad UT.

meta is fucking garbage

now you're def scum

Get a room.

[farside22]

I could name about 3 or 4 other players doing just that. I don't see it as a reason to scum read a player. Even Iam said his vote was bad, sooooo????

Adding to the momentum of a wagon early D1 doesn't need me to necessarily scumread the person, no?

That's not the same thing SB is talking about. SB is talking about blair's push on IAM without asking questions.
I still have no clue why you think GC is scum.

[Auro]

Auro: I recall in the game you were pushing chemist day 1 pretty hard. I recall the vote on votato as well but you had reasons I thought for each of those pushes. Not lol wagon ho.

I wasn't pushing Chemist, just Mastina and Votato.

I can show many instances where I join in growing wagons just to see what happens, though. I view votes as more than just expressions of thought.

I could name about 3 or 4 other players doing just that. I don't see it as a reason to scum read a player. Even Iam said his vote was bad, sooooo????

Adding to the momentum of a wagon early D1 doesn't need me to necessarily scumread the person, no?

That's not the same thing SB is talking about. SB is talking about blair's push on IAM without asking questions.
I still have no clue why you think GC is scum.

I am not talking about SB or Blair, just my vote.
I townread GC now, after some further thought.

[Blair]

I am not talking about SB or Blair, just my vote.

You should be, though.

Really everyone should be talking about this bad-faith argument SB is making. They pretty clearly skimmed just enough of the thread to pick up on something they thought they could push without exerting even minimal effort to actually understand the posts they were shading.

[CantHateAPuppy]

why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?

I just think assumptions aren't a good premise for scumhunting. It may be a playstyle difference. I feel it's more town to ask someone to elaborate than to just put words in their mouth and cause a ruckus when your concerns could be addressed fairly easily if you ask. Accompany those questions with a vote, absolutely, but the lack of questions is more concerning to me than the vote itself.

but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either

[Auro]

Really everyone should be talking about this bad-faith argument SB is making. They pretty clearly skimmed just enough of the thread to pick up on something they thought they could push without exerting even minimal effort to actually understand the posts they were shading.

I don't read it as bad-faith. I townread both of you as priors and I'll review your engagement once it concludes.

[Untrod Tripod]

here's one: Reck saying "oh, UT is probably scum here", me saying "yeah but I'll NK you later bb" and them him saying "okay I'll leave UT alone til Day 3" is the dance we do when we're both town or both scum

lynch one of us to find out which it is!

spoiler alert:

we're both town

oh no, you have me doing self-meta. bad UT.

meta is fucking garbage

now you're def scum

Get a room.

can't. we don't have a PT like you do

[Starbuck]

What's your read on me, Starbuck?

I'm leaning town-ish. I appreciated you running through a list of abbreviations like you thought I was nearing like 55, rather than just turning 35 (it made me laugh). You seem pretty bright and bubbly and I dig that, as so many games can get downright harsh and mean. I also appreciated that you didn't hold back from answering my RQS, regardless of how others are now twisting it to be a "call and response." That felt genuine like you were actually excited that someone asked.

I guess the only thing that kinda bothers me is that you seeming to be flooding the thread way more than the 16 other people that you're playing with. That could just be you as a person, though, but I feel like I'm lost in some of the discussions because the pages are flying by real fast and I'll have to go back to do some re-reading and ISOs to get a better feel on a good chunk of folks.