Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Vecna]

Oh man, if you have a post restriction Pooky........this will be my most favorite game ever.

But seriously, votes on Pooky please. Refusal to do is a scum claim.

Pre Edit: I should have bribed Baker a bit more, I just assumed he would make me 3p again......at this point is is basically a meme.

I bribed him. Even got my wincon changed from Town to 3p pre-game.

I also think DrippingGoofBall is scum.

VOTE: DGB

this is the first scum posting in the game

[Vecna]

I'm starting to get frightened at how fast the Pooky wagon is getting in

RVS

Any reason besides Doctor Drew naked SRing Pooky... oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

Somehow I feel this makes Pooky feel towny.

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

second scum

[Vecna]

oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

With the quote, the context implies that you are scum-aligned.

Needless to say I TR you because no sane scum actually scumclaims in RVS

pedit: that's a triple negative, but being a bastard game pregame alignment changes are not out of the question, so alchemist is not 500% lying

?????

[Vecna]

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

We were warned this would be baker-level bastard.

Ya but, and you know this, it isn't 'crazy' bastard.

Pre edit: Temporal, Baker Level Bastard isn't a true 'bastard' game. Just most likely featuring 3p's(maybe cults), and unique modifiers.

Fun Fact!

I have made almost the same post in the previous two Baker modded games where I was actually 3p and no one believed there was a 3p involved.

Do with that what you will.

VOTE: Drew

[Vecna]

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

We were warned this would be baker-level bastard.

Ya but, and you know this, it isn't 'crazy' bastard.

Pre edit: Temporal, Baker Level Bastard isn't a true 'bastard' game. Just most likely featuring 3p's(maybe cults), and unique modifiers.

I’ll fullclaim because I don’t see myself getting my wincon without help.

I’m an Absorber, which means any non-factional ability used on me will fail and I’ll get a 1-shot use of that ability. It was a Town role, but after I asked for a plaintext version of the PM I got told I’m a 3p with the wincon to use 2 gained 1-shot abilities.

guess not scum but just jester

[Vecna]

Pooky faking a post restriction; vote stays.

pretending like it wasnt announced hed only post in gifs in signup

jumping straight away that it has to be faked

gucci or bueno this is not

[Vecna]

does alchemist's claim seem strange to anyone? first, it seems a bit too easy a wincon. second, claiming the role seems to make it more difficult to win, so the claim doesnt make sense if the role is true.

votato can be my sidekick again this game

[Vecna]

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

this person might also be alright, contrary to earlier instinct

theres also no world I wanna lynch pooky. even if we get a guilty there. that gif game is on point, morale boost +100

[Vecna]

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

I feel like you are a bit.....in over your head?

why would u say that? Ehy u trying to dissuade lichdude? LET THE CRUSADERS CRUSADE

[Vecna]

does alchemist's claim seem strange to anyone? first, it seems a bit too easy a wincon. second, claiming the role seems to make it more difficult to win, so the claim doesnt make sense

if the role is true

.

You nailed it. Some of us (myself included) would try to claim or hint a role on RVS for the lolz. It also serves to hide any potential serious crumbs made by other TPRs. (I wish I could explain more, but I can't without revealing a couple of things I don't wish to reveal at this time, so maybe sometime later)

my role pm has all yours beat regardless. Still cant believe this was an actual thing that got approved by someone

[Vecna]

second, claiming the role seems to make it more difficult to win,

I think it’s easier for me to just ask for help rather than hope I can bait Night Actions my way. There’s a lot of positive Town utility to my role. I can confirm a claim by making them target me and seeing if I get a 1-shot copy of their ability, and at the cost of losing a Town action on one Night we can double up that action on another Night which would be extremely useful in PoE situations.

yeah because confirming one shot abilities is usually so hard and nessecary rite?

[Vecna]

This is a large theme so maybe

Maybe this game is all just a fever dream...

I just think you have taken the early game state a bit to seriously.

really hating these posts

[Vecna]

So you don't object to getting a gunshot? Im mainly doing it to prove your claim and just so I can give a semi surv a shot to make scum fear them later.

Also can ya absorb more then one shot at night? Because if you can't you might wanna be sure I'm the only one targeting you.

I like the thought process here somewhat, but dont u think its just scum with pgo/whatever the name of that passive that makes targeted shit fail?

[Vecna]

From the gun store.

Also fun fact, anyone with a gun is apart of the NRA. So. There's that tidbit.

stop lying

[Vecna]

hmmmmm

50 makes a terrible joke and elsa is an asshole in return . . .

towntells

making terrible jokes is a towntell for A50?

[Vecna]

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

So is this how we start Day 1?
Only a main wagon and a CW?
Shame.

Another person attacking lichboy over this vote.....kid mustve struck gold.

VOTE: dripper-Goofball

[Vecna]

I got a 1-shot vig, so I'll use it on you and you become a survivor with a gun. How's that sound?

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

I’ve finished catching up.
Going to place a vote down on one of the Pooky voters.

VOTE: Votato

real big yikes. guess I got my scumteam. ez solve

[Vecna]

VOTE: Lavender

DD is town.

I'd appreciate it if someone could define "3p" for me.

first post. did lavender even do anything? wasnt even aware a player called lave der was in this game.

[Vecna]

why am I rednecking on my own

[Vecna]

seems like a pretty good way to get people to not use their abilities on you, no?

Why do you think town are now inclined to help you win as 3p, instead of using their abilities to catch scum?

Your play makes no sense as 3p trying to win like this. It does make sense as scum.

[Vecna]

Oh Alch do you also leave the game after using the second one?

I’ll ask to be sure for now I’m assuming the answer is yes.

The answer is yes.

Guess that claim does take care of my suspicions mostly

[Vecna]

Oh well this was fast

Oh well this was fast

Not voting Pooky, hard scum read on Lavender.

Oh well this was fast

Not voting Pooky, hard scum read on Lavender.

Oh no I'm scum I guess I die

I misinterpreted DD's post at the time, though, probably because of my state of mind when thinking about Lavender's. It is obvious as I read it now that DD meant "Lavender is not voting for my silly Pooky wagon, so they are scum [/joke]." But I had thought that the "observing stance" of "Oh well this was fast" WAS scummy, so I read it at the time as "I will instead shift my focus on Lavender due to Lavender being scum." And I was like "Oh, I guess he is reacting to whatever I noticed, and what I noticed was in fact scummy."

lol, I have no idea how your woop-woop logictrains work, but im sure theres probably a good reason or two in these posts to townread you over

[Vecna]

guys, youre lucky I even know who is in the game.

Im not quite there yet myself

[Vecna]

my role pm has all yours beat regardless. Still cant believe this was an actual thing that got approved by someone

mine is boring af but the mod is cool so it balances out



vecna's town

ill wait until im townreading dgb before i decide if im sheeping her

didn't like doc drew's shade about taking the game too seriously

ok thats enough internet for today my e-friends i'm gonna go back to doing whatever it is i do

You said your sheeping DGB But your not town reading them but instead you Town read Vecna the one who I believe is voting them.
Why do you TR’ed Vecna?
Maybe it’s a specific post? Maybe a Gut Read?
Tell us why!

Im sure im going to get frustrated by this guy a dozen times this game, but im sure he's probably also aight

[Vecna]

Here I’ll one up you.

My Top 3 Town
Pooky, Alchemist and TL.

My Town Spectator
beeboy

Townreading the claimed 3P

Just after I made that other post, and he's complaining about people not explaining stuff

big oof, lol

[Vecna]

Perhaps I should do “Top 3 Players I trust most.”
Before someone points out that Alchemist is a 3P and therefore not aligned with Town.

stupid sexy squiggles

[Vecna]

Vote Count 1.02

PookyTheMagicalBear (3): votato, DrippingGoofball, Almost50
DrippingGoofball (3): Alchemist21, TemporalLich, Vecna
Almost50 (2): Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear
Vecna (1): Logicalicaltist
Lavender (): Iecerint

Not Voting (6): Lavender, gobbledygook, username, Pine, Elsa Jay, pisskop

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to bury someone!
Day One ends on Saturday, July 11th at 10:30pm EST in (expired on 2020-07-11 22:30:00)

I think the mod is trying to outdo pooky with high quality gifs

GIF-BATTLE IS A GO AHEAD

[Vecna]

Pooky faking a post restriction; vote stays.

pretending like it wasnt announced hed only post in gifs in signup

jumping straight away that it has to be faked

gucci or bueno this is not

I couldn't remember who asked this but I found it


What makes you think she even read the signup thread and would have seen Pooky post that

She was one of the first to sign up; I just checked. Pooky stated the thing about the gifs at the very end of the thread

I dunno bout you but I don't hang out in the sign up thread after I /in

And in fact, I didn't even use the signup thread for this game; the mod invited me

So what makes you think she was pretending not to have seen it, when it's quite possible she hadn't? Hell, I myself hadn't seen it until just now.

So why do you have to be the guardian angel and make the case for said person?

Let them state this themselves if that is so. People attack people to get responses in this game, people sling mud. I dont think this should come as a surprise to you.

Regardless, even if the signup thread wasnt seen, why not take note that noone else thinks its strange? Why not ask about it? Just stating "omgerg its fake" takes like 3 jumps to get to a conclusion that I feel is mightily convenient and could very well just be made-up content to pretend to be scumhunting. It shows very little thought, so I poked at it.

Let me do my poking buddy. Im sure the person doesnt need u to play big brother.

[Vecna]

Who hasn't posted yet? I feel like we're missing people.

i havent. im gonna lurk until day 3-4

No, you signed up to be my sidekick.

No lurking allowed.

[Vecna]

Unvote

VOTE: Vecna

Also im the only bully here, if u wanna fight you better do it rap-battle style and actually bring something to the table.

[Vecna]

some people are so slow at drafting zzzzzz

[Vecna]

I simply cannot accept nullreads on my slot. Its not tenable. It wont do

[Vecna]

keep that pointy horn away from me Votato. you royal steed, you

[Vecna]

Yeah thats more like it

[Vecna]

Goddamnit A50, now I feel the urge to go look at the playerlist just to scratch that itch.

I fullwell know what happened, but I NOW HAVE THAT GODDAMN URGE

[Vecna]

I caved

[Vecna]

I wanna get endgamed by a scum pooky so badly here. Just gif me into a smooth oblivion

In other news, this game feels a bit like a cloud where a lot of people are too fuzzy and bland

[Vecna]

Votato is just sort of meme'ing around instead of being my ole faithful attack unicorn

A50 is just meme'ing around period

EJ is just meme'ing around and threatening to shoot people in the face without a care in the world whether scum would have other capabilities to save the 3P claimant if it were indeed scum

And then theres the crowd of super-serious people doing the full-on analysis, who I should probably be paying a lot more attention to, but the MEMERS ARE DISTRACTING ME

[Vecna]

The one take-away though is that my FAVORITE MEME'r

is absent.

I was promised cookies. I want my cookies

VOTE: Pine

[Vecna]

Pisskop, my (VERY DEEP) analysis of you tells me that youre playing exactly the same game as in the saw game, except now you feel happy.

Is that because you do not have to place people into murderous death pits but can instead murder them in a more gentle tender way, making you happier?

I got my eye on you. My radar is calibrated. My sonar is gently buzzing. Youre not gonna get away with it again

[Vecna]

[Vecna]

Has anyone ever noticed how you cannot really pronounce the word schlong without getting weird imagery in your mind?

[Vecna]

Also, Elsa is trying to pocket me hard. Being all mother kangaroo, enticing me with the pouch, hippity-tippying around

[Vecna]

VOTE: Alchemist

I just really cannot shake the feeling that something is iffy about this slot. Having a free day1 lynch on a non-town faction with some scum equity?

Dissuade me if u can

[Vecna]

I am happy to see this alchemist witchhunt is allowing a bunch of people to townspew

[Vecna]

is it weird if I feel I have the game pretty much solved?

[Vecna]

lets see if I can convince myself

username
PookyTheMagicalBear
pisskop
Iecerint
Vecna

TemporalLich
Logicalicaltist

Doctor Drew
Almost50

gobbledygook
Pine

votato
Lavender

Elsa Jay
DrippingGoofball

Alchemist21

[Vecna]

I feel moderately convinced

[Vecna]

sidekick, engage crime-fight mode

[Vecna]

DrippingGoofball

Care to find a way through the gif-love-stream to demonstrate where I went wrong?

What posts should show me that name needs to go elsewhere?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Gobblygook-o

[Vecna]

VOTE: Gobblygook-o

why are you voting a null scum read over any of your stronger reads?

Did you not notice him coming in here, making a snarky comment and just vanish again into lurk-oblivion?

Wheres that sharp observational wit gone, pony?

[Vecna]

Care to find a way through the gif-love-stream to demonstrate where I went wrong?

You know this is not what I meant

[Vecna]

VOTE: Gobblygook-o

why are you voting a null scum read over any of your stronger reads?

Did you not notice him coming in here, making a snarky comment and just vanish again into lurk-oblivion?

Wheres that sharp observational wit gone, pony?

i literally havent noticed anything gobbles has done. i know gobbles has been very lurky site-wide though. actually is been that way for a few weeks now, i hope everything is ok.

So why ask me the question if you did not even read the page where I placed the vote? Very little happened there.

And then pisskop comes in here to praise you for the question.

Some weaksauce shit on the both of you. Almost makes me rethink that pisskop read

[Vecna]

You know this is not what I meant

Youre creative enough to quote posts and use those gifs to show us why certain things from goofball made you townread her and cause you to question my read there.

[Vecna]

When has town not gotten rolled by third party BS players? How often do third party claims turn out scum?

C'mon people

I have been 3p in three consecutive Baker modded games(cult recruiter, survivor, lyncher)

I have started off the game town sided(or at least in case of the cult game I was actually scum hunting). Imo, 3p wii take the path of least resistance to their victory.

But, and I am starting to come around to you and username's way of thinking, I don't know why he makes this claim without expecting people wanting him dead. And that is the part that gives me pause. Like I just said, in a vacuum I agree with you and want him gone, but I feel like this is part of his plan.

I am only putting on my tinfoil hat because I know how the mod operates, so bear with me. I believe Alch is either 3p or scum(not blowing away anyone's mind with that) who wants to die because one of his buddies(possible cult recruiter) needs to survive D1, or Alch's death triggers some sort of reaction that benefits them/hurts town.

Now, possibly Alch is a good vig target.....but I dunno.

Hating this post. Who would be his recruited buddy under such amounts of pressure that this was needed? What makes you think Alch actually wants to die here? His play scream that he wants to survive

[Vecna]

VOTE: Gobblygook-o

why are you voting a null scum read over any of your stronger reads?

Did you not notice him coming in here, making a snarky comment and just vanish again into lurk-oblivion?

Wheres that sharp observational wit gone, pony?

i literally havent noticed anything gobbles has done. i know gobbles has been very lurky site-wide though. actually is been that way for a few weeks now, i hope everything is ok.

So why ask me the question if you did not even read the page where I placed the vote? Very little happened there.

And then pisskop comes in here to praise you for the question.

Some weaksauce shit on the both of you. Almost makes me rethink that pisskop read

nono but you vote your scumreads, yes? but here you are voting a null-scum. so im asking why. it seems like a low-priority vote

Uhhuh, its a level 1 question that sort of just looks good in a vacuum, but if you were really caring about the answer it was right there on the very page I placed the vote.

Ergo, the question looks to me like it was intended to just look good instead of ask for information you cared about

[Vecna]

Anyways, im just going to make this game easier by hard-sheeping pookies read on Goofball and proclaiming that slot town, just like that

Then im going to just switch my mind to believe alchemist without a doubt

Clarity

[Vecna]

Also leaves a scumpool im pretty happy with for now:

Votato
Doc-drew
Elsa
~maybe A50 whom i can never read~
probably a lurker

[Vecna]

VOTE: Votato

[Vecna]

VOte VOTAto rolls so nicely off the tongue

[Vecna]

Anyways, im just going to make this game easier by hard-sheeping pookies read on Goofball and proclaiming that slot town, just like that

Then im going to just switch my mind to believe alchemist without a doubt

Clarity

somehow despite leaps like this i still think youre town. you even scumread me. and our mindmeld is not happening at all. but i

still

believe youre town for some fucking reason

Maybe the problem isnt me?

Maybe my point of view is warped (if you are town as youre alluding to) because you have not produced a whole lot for any type of mindmelding to be able to occur?

No need to get snappy with me mr unicorn. I will not accept any type of blame. It aint gonna work

[Vecna]

Also, what is scummy about leaps like that?

[Vecna]

Part of why I’ve been avoiding this game...didn’t want to influence my read on the slot

background? votato was actually pming me he got banned for bullshit and that there was no harassment whatsoever. (nothing game related in the pm).

[Vecna]

He's a site admin that had to handle an investigation of sexual harassment against votato

Cut my boy some slack yeesh

oh ok, didnt know this was the case.

[Vecna]

my townread on the squid is also waning.

[Vecna]

sad to see votato get banned though. No idea what transpired but I enjoyed him in my mafia games.

[Vecna]

you guys seriously suck at reading between the lines.

y'all scum fuckery didgrry doos

booo

[Vecna]

here's a quick lead rist, don't send me to the aether if it's wrong because I skimmed everyone's ISO for this:

TR

TL

NT

HN

NS

SL

SR

3P

[Town]

DrippingGoofball

- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now.

Logicalicaltist

- With great pushing and town initiative this is the townie we need.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level.

Almost50

- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.

chkflip

- He's starting to look more promising as time goes on...

pisskop

- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.

Iecerint

- A decently good ISO, 423 is probably a good post.

Lavender

- Not much content in the ISO but I feel a townish vibe.

Alchemist21

- Claimed townsiding 3P, I don't have a reason to doubt this.

username

- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich.

Pine

- Unreadable due to lack of game-related info, defaulting to hard null (assuming V/LAishness here)

gobbledygook

- Lurker with contentless ISO, 126 is approaching info but actually isn't info

Doctor Drew

- Memey, totally not concerned with appearances. However his content looks a little scummy.

Elsa Jay

- I don't like the ISO. Sorry, but I just don't. It doesn't ping me town.

Vecna

- I really don't like the ISO, the readlist is bad in light of future info and 696 feels abrasive to me

[Scum]

VOTE: Vecna

how was my readslist bad when the one you just posted is like 90% the same?

I still think this slot is flailing town and that chkflip is blatantly scum here doing a gotcha on TL

[Vecna]

696 doesn't even look abrasive to me, and I read emotion better than almost anyone on the site

it just more looks annoyed

it was me stylishly drunk posting content

[Vecna]

in that case I still feel like Vecna's thoughtstreams say scum

what exactly though? realizing what pooky was softing only moderately late compared to everyone else being totally oblivious?

I think the mistake youre making is trying to read into the way I push people for responses as my actual thought process.

regardless, you're gonna have to find that way to convince yourself you get out of that mindset because im the most impossible town player to mislynch and itll just give people ammo to come after you once scum nk me

[Vecna]

Here we go.

Explain yourself, jabroni.

votato is an easy read, and was majorly not playing to his town meta judging on early impressions.

you, sir, are also extremely more wordy and explainy in your approach here. The chilled out do not care attitude is gone, and you actually really to care about making an impression here.

[Vecna]

maybe i need to compare the style to early game last time when i called you or on a meta thing, but your post style did checks wire abut over that game. maybe you got more busy and stopped carrying due to that and its importing my judgement here

[Vecna]

seriously?

[Vecna]

VOTE: chkflip

well by all means then, take an axe to the chest

calling my bluff are we?

[Vecna]

boy do i feel like im getting punked here

[Vecna]

and then this lavender posts that. shameless lynchbait with zero redeemability but also no real shit to scumread

[Vecna]

which of my townreads is truely punking me? is it the squid? is it pisskop?

[Vecna]

it surely cant be pooky (?)

[Vecna]

why is A50 town flip?

[Vecna]

maybe its that tonedeaf icerinth chap.

squid or him are deff punking me

[Vecna]

based on? expand please

[Vecna]

no response to any of the stuff i wrote eh?

[Vecna]

VOTE: doc drew

[Vecna]

like TL, why are you fine leaving your vote on me when the entire playerlist townreads me?

Either youre for real on your scumread and you ha e a shitton of convincing to do of people, or this is just sone weakass posturing.

Either accept youre wrong and look into proper stuff, or at least make it a non half arsed push

[Vecna]

theres no scummy vibe and you should ptobably trust the general consensus of these fools that have been towntearing me correctly for years.

[Vecna]

Also, would ensure we stay away from killing Alch.

lol, would any town ever say this? being ok getting waggoned over 3p?

wtf kind of attitudw is this? really bad bad line if ur actually town, since it just reeks of somethibg scum would say to try and look not qorried about dying.

[Vecna]

My leadrist basically has alch sandwiched between the nulltowns and hard nulls, so its not like Alchemist is screaming townie

and wtf ia the relevance of this? hes either 3p or hes scum. why let us know how you rate him on a t v s spectrum? completely irrelevant. busywork.

[Vecna]

Trusting a 3rd party player who hungers to be targeted at night... what could go wrong?

You know, instead of targeting scum. Let's target the 3rd party dude! Can you think of a downside? I sure can't!

What more do you want from me?

I dunno if you replaced in or not but I already claimed I got a 1 shot for a vig to shoot Alch with. Not like I wanna use it for other shit, so seeing if he's legit is the best option.

I also do not get the logic of wanting to hand over your gun to 3p if ur town

[Vecna]

(the later explenation made sense though)

[Vecna]

its rather annoying if it happens too early all the time

[Vecna]

VOTE: chkflip

Ill try to catchup on what Ive been missing out on sometime soon. Busy with moving and job hunting. Going to continue to listen to the gut here, since its still need really been satiated, and there were a few pingles and trickles of towny stuff in the frustrated drew posts.

[Vecna]

God this game is boring. Im actually site-flaking, but there still is no new content to interact with.

Ive managed to move homes between countries, in the process of redecorated my house with the wifey, done a bunch of job interviews, ive been to a birthdays and a bbq, attended a bachelor party, and worked on finishing a phd in the last 5 or so days......and theres still people finding excuses to not post here?

pfffff

[Vecna]

I got a pre prod message but looks like I’m here 8)
Can’t catch me you rednecks

drew who dies

It's turkey time everyone

We're letting this float why?

It really feels to me like either some weird prod dodge post restriction, or the slot is just doing this because it wants to get lynched.

I know, I know, everyone is going to state "scun wud also do dis, 2scumTBscum gimmick yo" but would they really skirt it that close to the edge while everyone is ITCHING for a speedwagon?

gobbles wagon feels like a bad idea to me.

I get the enticing nature of it though. and im decently sure thats by design

[Vecna]

like, chkflip, you're awful salty toward me about positions I'm not even espousing

Scum vs scum theater? it has that odd odour

and username has been impressively spick n clean. almost too perfect, no imperfections, no slip ups. Town usually has at least a bunch of eyebrow raisers and can be recognized in their imperfections.

something to keep an eye on, since this gamestate -heavily- implies scum are currently washing us.

[Vecna]

still, people have made some great points about drew

[Vecna]

i can't believe I might actually be townreading A50 here

[Vecna]

a moment of clarity in a sea of ignorance, most likely

[Vecna]

VOTE: Pine

I dno if this is a good vote and im sort of on the fence. Ive seen Pine use the lurker reputation as scum to his benefit a bunch of times and there seems to be no enthousiasm whatsoever to get involved here. The next post will be something about the number of pages and im pretty sure were not gonna get anything out of the slot this game.

[Vecna]

VOTE: chkflip

[Vecna]

your slot was filled by two people that have been very easy townreads for me in the past, but i havent seen any towny sentiment in either of you.

[Vecna]

well then...

[Vecna]

less than 48h, hmmm

[Vecna]

someone make me an up to date VC so I can initiate a coordinated piledriver

[Vecna]

was I townreading iecerint earlier? his recent posts feel so weird, but maybe thats just because he claims he thought a slot without all caps engaged was ABR, yet he aint tryibg to kill it.

[Vecna]

All the top wagons suck ass

Flip
Iecerint
Maybe A50 because I should be worried about townreading that slot
Maybe Doc Drew

These all feel like good wagons. To me at least

[Vecna]

Lavander also just feels like town lynchbait

[Vecna]

Also do not see much town -EV in lynching Pisskop

[Vecna]

gobbledygook (5): chkflip, Almost50, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich, Elsa Jay
Alchemist21 (2): DrippingGoofball, Iecerint
Lavender (3): username, Logicalicaltist, Alchemist21
chkflip (1): Vecna
TemporalLich (2): PookyTheMagicalBear, pisskop

Not Voting (3): Lavender, gobbledygook, (Pine slot)

I'm not ordering them.

Sooo gobbledygook, Lav, or TL. I'm completely unwilling to ground-up a lynch in 24-ish hours. Hard go-fuck-yourself no.

well, youre scum knowing all thise three are non-scum....sooo, obvio

[Vecna]

Here are my reads in order:

TOWN

Iecerint
Elsa
Username
DGB
Pooky
Pisskop
TemporalLich

Pineslot
gobbledygook
DD

chkflip
Vecna
Lavender
Alch (claimed 3p)
Logicalicaltist
A50

SCUM

so instead of engaging me on my earlier posta youre just gon a passively shuffle me into the red pile eh?

[Vecna]

didnt you specifically state you could follow my reason for scumreading you?

I dobt understand these questions/statements in that light

[Vecna]

VOTE: Iecerint

[Vecna]

id like to point out that iecerint hasnt as much mentioned or u teracted with me or chkflip, yet is apparently scumreading us.

Im calling you out iecerint. explain the reads, the process of getting there, and why you have not tried to steer a single vote there.

your reads just feel like a c/p of general consensus

[Vecna]

I believe alchs claim, I think lav is much more likely town, and gobbles seems to want to get lynched for w/e reason.

If there was scum here, itd already have been bussed into a fastmoving wagon. this is townwagon stalling.

I know its unlikely ill get what I want. But im putting it out there, because the odds of me not being around tomorrow are quite high by my estimate.

[Vecna]

he was literally taunting us pver not participating in his proddodges

[Vecna]

I....did not anticipate this level of sheeping. Interesting

[Vecna]

Why did you guys decide to sheep me on iecerint, but not on chkflip before when I was throwing a stinky there?

[Vecna]

I'm interested in A50's and EJ's cases on my slot, why DGB is voting Alch, why ONLY DGB is voting Alch, and consensus reads.

I'd also like predictions from EJ, Vecna, and A50 on what my read on them will be once I've caught up. I will probably not be fully caught up until after the night phase.

Also, hey Bingle. Honestly wish someone that can actually be read easily wouldve replaced into this slot, but I guess thats sort of a selfish thing to wish for.

Alch claimed some weird 3p that steals 1-shot abilities that target him and wins+leaves game after he activated 2 stolen 1shot abilities

DGB was inno'd by pookie (who claimed to have an inno on the slot in his role pm). DGB has been trying to rally us to put alch in the ground. Alch is ~prob~ truthtelling by my estimation.

You'll easily townread me, regardless of your alignment

[Vecna]

Vote Count 1.10

(gobbledygook slot) (4): Almost50, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich, Elsa Jay
Lavender (4): username, Logicalicaltist, Alchemist21, PookyTheMagicalBear
Iecerint (2): Vecna, chkflip
Alchemist21 (1): DrippingGoofball
Almost50 (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Lavender, (gobbledygook slot), Galron, pisskop

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to blast someone!
Day One is paused with 1 day left while I find a replacement for gobbledygook...

At this point I want to switch my vote to Iec, but I also don't want Lavender to be the leading wagon. Choices choices.

I think I will wait to see what happens in the next page or so.. but flipping Iec I think should shed some light on that weird readlist he just provided a page ago.

Why was the readslist weird A50? And why is that enough reason for you to want to lynch the slot over other options?

How feasible do you feel a speedwagon is at this point? Would you still crusade for chkflip or Drew?

[Vecna]

Talk to me about Doctor drew, somebody

I just went throw my own iso to refresh my mind and apparently I was townreading Iecerinth early game for wonky reasons

We were wagoning drew, then he said a bunch of stuff that apparently sounded towny-desperate or whatever. Was that really a good enough reason for us to stop murdering him?

[Vecna]

Oh well this was fast

Oh well this was fast

Not voting Pooky, hard scum read on Lavender.

Oh well this was fast

Not voting Pooky, hard scum read on Lavender.

Oh no I'm scum I guess I die

I misinterpreted DD's post at the time, though, probably because of my state of mind when thinking about Lavender's. It is obvious as I read it now that DD meant "Lavender is not voting for my silly Pooky wagon, so they are scum [/joke]." But I had thought that the "observing stance" of "Oh well this was fast" WAS scummy, so I read it at the time as "I will instead shift my focus on Lavender due to Lavender being scum." And I was like "Oh, I guess he is reacting to whatever I noticed, and what I noticed was in fact scummy."

lol, I have no idea how your woop-woop logictrains work, but im sure theres probably a good reason or two in these posts to townread you over

This, post 133 was what I initially townlocked the slot over. The weird honky-tonk-tonk train of thought being all explainy over their train of thought and all.

Were I correct in saying this type of post usually doesnt come from scum, or is it in the category of fakeable by someone just wanting to try and spew thought process? In my experience very few scum ever think of faking this type of crap, but its possible I guess?

[Vecna]

Idk that what Lav has done can actually be considered playing at this point.

Some players are just naturally incapable of producing good sounding analysis and content, and just sort of waddle and stumble about.

Im surprised youre pretending like this type of play never comes from town. Im not saying it cannot be scum, but the indignant nature of its rebuttals just feel to me like theyre annoyed that you cannot see theyre trying so hard!

[Vecna]

grmbl

im at that stage where every wagon just feels like complete shit, even the one I somehow started myself

[Vecna]

Anyways, its sort of hilarious how Eicerint attacks me for not trying to solve the game, and then uses the ordered nature of his scumreads as an excuse why hes not actually trying to sort me / flip

[Vecna]

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

This isn’t a Mason.
So Pooky must Individually know DGB is Town.

more and more this slot just seems to be spewing random stuff without any depth whatsoever

[Vecna]

Also
@Mod: Nice PM. I've read it THRICE before I head to the thread, and still couldn't find the victim's name. I only found out it was Iec when I got here. Thanks for messing with my mind a little (I needed a little refreshment)

Weak reasoning, but one could make the argument that scum would not be that attentive to that detail since theyd know beforehand who the kill isnt, and might not be attentive to the fact that the name was ommited from the pm.

townpoints for a50?

[Vecna]

Looking at all of it though.
Chkflip seems to be the occurring main pusher on a wagon.
He is also my top scum read, PK nearing them in second place.
VOTE: Chkflip

I need to look at this I guess. I've been town leaning that slot. I thought votato was town and chkflip seemed towny too.

What do you actually feel was towny in votato's play? Did you actually read all of the game? How come you have so little to report if you read the game in such detail level that you know how votato read? What happened to all the other detailed reads?

This reads fake.

[Vecna]

Lavender's town slip was extremely believable but that doesn't do any good a few hours before deadline or whatever it was

bullshit, that hammer was terrible

[Vecna]

I’m asking the mod to be sure there’s no mod error but it looks like I didn’t get anything last Night.

Turns out the mod did forget to tell me. Iecerint used his ability on me so I do have that.

is this some type of slip and lie? Wasnt he claiming to only absorb 1shot abilities? Iec' reveal shows that he wasnt a oneshot ability user at all?

[Vecna]

I mean Logical isn't mechtown, but "The town leader is starting to look scummy in D2" is not a reason for me to drop a strong TR on logical

But the fact youre aknowledging reason for people to be suspicious, yet then harping on them for pushing it, is also a really really bad look.

[Vecna]

I'd bet my left nut there's at least one scum that was watching the thread and didn't post

I'm interested in this thought, and would like to know more.

I'm decidedly not interested in the angle of "Who was actively pushing wagons?" unless you're going to go into what about the individual pushes was scummy.

I can get behind the idea that all of chk, logical, and TL look bad for similar reasons. The flippy wagon seems like a shit push from where I sit.

I fully intend to ignore Alch's existence today as a lynch target, with the sole exception of pointing out that role as claimed he actively wants to lynch scum because scum is more like than not to kill the PR's he needs to win the game. If he's groupscum, he's probably a reflexive roleblocker. I'm fine with letting him have a day to scumhunt and prove himself useful.

Really not liking bingle's play so far either.

Hows the reread coming bingle? Did you read all the thread during night? How should we interpret your posts? Knowledgeable to the fullest, clueless on past events, or something in between?

[Vecna]

A lead rist for the crazy mess that is D2:

TR

TL

NT

HN

NS

SL

SR

3P

[Town]

DrippingGoofball

- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now. Still trying to push an Alchemist exile though.

Logicalicaltist

- Town leader, on a scummy trend D2 so take with a grain of salt.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level. Hasn't posted yet in D2.

Almost50

- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.

Galron

- Laid-back townie who contributes content to the game.

pisskop

- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.

Vecna

- Starting to look very towny now.

Alchemist21

- Claimed townsiding 3P. Apparently logical got roleblocked? Alch might be fakeclaiming, but this will resolve itself D3.

Doctor Drew

- Seeing an upward trend here.

username

- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich. Neutral trend here.

Bingle

- Feels like Bingle to me, yep. This isn't TRable though.

Elsa Jay

- Still as scummy as ever, might even be on a downward trend.

chkflip

- Votes with scummy intent, also D1 got stalled to heck and back despite his pushiness so I think that was planned as well.

[Scum]

Why am I starting to look really towny now? I had not posted D2 whatsoever at this point? At the end of D1 you were scumreading me?

What is this upward trend in doc drew?

How is bingle feeling like bingle of you cannot townread him?

[Vecna]

I’m annoyed that 2 people who promised to target me D1 didn’t, and now a 3rd is saying he actually did but for whatever reason I don’t have a copy of his ability. Something’s better than nothing though.

You're just trying to buy time to live another day claiming you have Iecerint's cop ability.

There is no way someone as smart as Iecerint would waste his investigation on a third party.

How stupid do you think we are?

I am offended.

A cop thinking theyre about to die though......because forced to claim? might do that, to at least guarantee one cop shot getting off and giving the 3P some stuff to use to leave the game.

[Vecna]

How stupid do you think I am to claim a weird 3p role unprompted as scum?

It's a fantastic strategy, especially given the extraordinary resistance involved in flushing out a claim third party, you're practically elimination-proof.

All it would require is for one more town ability to be used on him, which would result in an autolynch on d3/d4 if he hasnt exited the game.

Not a great claim at all.

More and more im just of the opinion that he's likely truthtelling.

You should probably stop pushing it and help us narrow down actual scum (or the other scum members).

[Vecna]

You and Doctor Drew are starting to look townier with your later posts... that's what an upward trend is...

Logical is on a downward trend but a strong TR shouldn't be easy to dispel with just gut feeling and circumstantial evidence.

Bingle just feels like Bingle's meta, don't see it as alignment indicative.

What if I think you might be scum that got told you can gently nudge me and join me to keep pushing chkflip into a mislynch?

That seems like an easy line to take for scum today

[Vecna]

Looking at all of it though.
Chkflip seems to be the occurring main pusher on a wagon.
He is also my top scum read, PK nearing them in second place.
VOTE: Chkflip

I need to look at this I guess. I've been town leaning that slot. I thought votato was town and chkflip seemed towny too.

What do you actually feel was towny in votato's play? Did you actually read all of the game? How come you have so little to report if you read the game in such detail level that you know how votato read? What happened to all the other detailed reads?

This reads fake.

God no I haven't read the whole game. I did speed through a few slots though.

Now, answer the actual important part of the question please

VOTE: Galron

[Vecna]

yeah I'm not sure why Vecna is trying to throw a small look of shade at me

also I'd like to know at least something about why Vecna townreads chkflip though I don't think I'm getting that answer

Who says im townreading him?

Im trying to grasp why the fuck I got zero traction yesterday, while the person that was obv-clueless-town flailing about got hammered, even after making a super believable claim.

The shift in reads from people seems to just appear out of thin air.

Chkflip really didnt do anything to become more scummy. I really didnt do much to suddenly become more towny. Yet, the reads suddenly just do this shift. Yeah, I feel there is high scum incentive to push and cuddle this way if Im wrong on my earlier scumread on Chkflip.

Ill add to this though: Chkflip was a lot scummier on d1 than he has been on d2 so far. Yet noone was sheeping me. So now, im indeed highly suspicious

[Vecna]

VOTE: Lavender

Lynch Iecerint. Lavender town told and Iec doesn't know it because he couldn't.

Truuuuust me lynch Iec.

Oh snap. I did vote Lavender.

I did call out the town slip.

Where

Is

The

Fucking

Liiiiiiie

Because at first the lie was that you weren't mostly on vanity wagons. That's why you quoted two vote counts where you weren't on vanity wagons.

Now it's that I didn't vote Lavender and call out the town tell. The quotes above show that I did in fact do those things.

Soooo

WHERE IS THE FUCKING LIE.

AND WHY ISN'T THE LIE THE SAME THING THAT YOU JUST FUCKING SAID IT WAS, BUD.

You can't even choose what your narrative is at this point.

But I'm the fucking scumbutt here?

Excuse me while I laugh in your Goddamn face for a second.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HA


HAHAHAHA

This literal adherance to events though......yikes

[Vecna]

Are you seriously suggesting we eliminate the town leader over setup spec? Congrats, you're now scum spewed

Its funny how youre the only one under the impression that he's been a townleader.

[Vecna]

so, am I starting to look towny, or am I scum? Which is it?

[Vecna]

Can you explain your read on him in detail please.
Is it the same reason I have on him? Or is it a different reason all together on why you view him as scum.

I mean the later posts in vecna's ISO are looking better and more town-motivated but I feel like Vecna's voting today is being manipulated by chkflip

It's a pretty weak read so I consider Vecna a hard null.

Considering the protective got limed, I'm not sure I should risk claiming when I'm not at risk of hamme

So first im scum, then my posting improves dramatically while im not around to the point im prob-town, then im scum linked to chkflip, then im manipulated (which by definition can only be town) but then im still a hard null?

This is almost too poorly reasoned to ever be able to be spewed by scum, because holy hell in a basket this train of logic is so shit...especially from someone pushing the general image of a logic-oriented play- and readstyle.

And then some weaksauce implying you have a PR.

[Vecna]

chkflip has pretty much pushed every wagon D1, so chkflip is looking to lime town with votes. chkflip then goes to call my voting pattern bad when I'm trying to vote my honest scumreads, but pushing is not one of my strong suits (yeah I need to get better at pushing, not trying to look town with an "appeal to newness").

also 1921 is a bucket of setup spec and mod-WIFOM, and it's used to portray logical as

mechscum

, which is what scum wants.

So yeah I have a strong scumread on chkflip for trying to outguess the mod in a

bastard

setup and assigning a freaking

mechscum

read from it.

The point about 1921 being a pile of dogshit at least is on point

[Vecna]

I’m a little surprised to see CHK vote TemporalLich instead of Logicalicaltist after all that arguing.

Its pretty obvious that squigles claimed tracker and that he used that as his reasoning for voting the claimed ninja-cop, rite?

[Vecna]

Anyways, its quite likely that LL/Chk/TL are all town. Chk is still dodgy and different, but theres a bunch of town'esque things in there as well.

Too much happy side-lining going on. Not completely opposed to burning CHK still, but theres a bunch of other really great votes as well (hint: the one im on right now).

[Vecna]

Theres also still the thing about there now being claims/reveals for tracker + IC reveal pm + tracker + ninja cop

Pooky couldve also just been BS'ing, even though I still feel feelings of love for the slot. Goofball is still widely scum by play as well

[Vecna]

2007 shouldve stated that its potentially possible the 3 are town, quite likely is wildly overstating it and I dno wtf my brain-finger coordination thingy was doing there

[Vecna]

Yeah ok, we need to push more focus on the following slots:

Bingle - pretty strong scumreads on that slot. That readslist was just too easy. No real process. Thats not how town bingle replaces in and parses shit. Not buying it. The reads are too easy, theres no suspicion, and im not buying that bingle EZ-townreads the CHK slot just like that.
Galron (or w/e the pine replacement is called)
DGB can really die for all I care if it continues the refusal to talk about anything non-alchemist

Pisskop/kuro has plenty of scum equity for 1/2 as well

[Vecna]

In Big 4 Mafia(modded by Baker) scum and the 3p(yours truly) were given fake claims to use if need be.

Well, that wasn't the case in the wrestling game. I even asked for a fake claim and mod gave me a NAME (i.e. not even in a role pm format)

Why make this post A50? You've played so much mafia here, so why make this post just to point out there once upon a time there was one exception?

[Vecna]

With regard to the chk/logical fight, my best guess is that it's a TvT.

chk's townslip reaction comes across as very genuine. His setup spec, while something I disagree with strongly, is a completely reasonable take ("Why would there be a ninja cop AND a town tracker?!?!?!" is a very town thought), and the tunnel is incredibly genuine. He's playing an "Aha! Gotcha!" game, but he's doing so in a way that leads credence to the idea that he does actually believe he caught scum with their pants down, which ime is fairly hard to fake. Even pointing out the obvious softclaim from Logical makes complete sense in the case that chk thinks Logical is scum, and scum chk wouldn't want the additional kneejerk scumminess from outing a PR (even an obvious one) when he was already engaged in a loud 1v1. His thought processes are consistent and if you read him holistically there's a clear progression. He's not posting trying to look town, he's pushing things and actively trying to figure shit out. He's abrasive about it, sure, but this is EXACTLY what good townplay looks like.

Logical is a lesser read, but it boils down to a few things. His "Why would you out me as tracker" when he'd been obviously softing tracker is exactly the kind of town PR reaction I'd expect. His reaction to the townslip conversation doesn't seem out of a town's wheelhouse. (I'm assuming chkflip had seen something about formatting and didn't give a shit, so I've largely ignored that, although more power to him if he wants to continue pushing to dig up something there.) He also seems like he's being pretty blatantly pocketed by TLich, which is a good sign that he's not scum with the lich. I also think his reaction to my loaded question was more town than scum.

His townslip reaction came across as genuine?

It did somewhat to me, untill he just pointed out it was because of the header in the role pm, and not -those other things-. Which every scum would likely also have. Which chkflip, which does some modding work at times, would know quite well.

So what about that looks genuine, and not just "scum seeing town say things that he can point to being "obvtown" even though those things in particular are not, whatsoever?

And ill continue to be cute thinking I can read you. Especially if your reaction to it is doing exactly the thing youre accused of having ommited from your play (thought process).

I still feel the entire case on lich is more "finding words to describe what is wrong with his logic" rather than using logic to determining whether that comes from scum or town.

VOTE: Bingle

[Vecna]

I’m just more inclined to believe Chkflip is scum here over TL.

What do you think of my townreasoning for chk?

Absolute horseshit. The part on squigles did sound good though and gave me some doubt.

But youre still giving me the heebeejeebies. You may be right, but I actually think lich is spewing town in most of those things you pointed out.

The only reason he'd be scum here, is for reasoning you did not mention at all: namely if scum somehow decided that CHK is the next designated mislynch, but then why the hell would lich do such an extremely obvious 180? It makes no sense if theyre about to flip that slot forcefully.

[Vecna]

Lich, Logic:

Let's perform an exercise.

Let's say the three of us (myself, you, Logic) are town. We have a semi-confirm locking Pook and Goof as town. That gives a pretty small berth to find scum.

Give me three. Ignore your lists.

Nice

[Vecna]

For clarification to any town players reading along, I never said TLich was scum because his reads were bad. I DID say that TLich saying chk was scum because his reads were bad when they were mirrored by TLich's reads is scum indicative.

Except being so oblivious to your own hypocrisy is often a towntell since scum would be 100% aware of the shit theyre trying to bullshit

[Vecna]

Lich, Logic:

Let's perform an exercise.

Let's say the three of us (myself, you, Logic) are town. We have a semi-confirm locking Pook and Goof as town. That gives a pretty small berth to find scum.

Give me three. Ignore your lists.

Pooky (yeah Pooky is scummy enough for me to distrust the claim, DGB still town tho), PK, Vecna, and maybe Doctor Drew

Why am I scum in this scenario?

You were townreading me, right untill I was defending CHK-flip for a moment against your weakass swing.

So if youre assuming CHKflip is town then, how does that suddenly change my alignment?

[Vecna]

Pooky (yeah Pooky is scummy enough for me to distrust the claim, DGB still town tho), PK, Vecna, and maybe Doctor Drew

Hot take: not a bad list. Firmly disagree that this is how scum Vecna approaches me, but this is probably your towniest post in the thread.

This also once again greatly puzzles me, for town-bingle would call out the inconsistency that I did in the above post.

Its probably more of a happy moment because he sees that they townread the bingle slot over this nonsense, while somehow still being suspicious over me.

[Vecna]

Bingle is town.

wrong

[Vecna]

I also like not getting NKed. Its pleasant being alive.

this also just needs heavy death at this point

[Vecna]

You can vote me all you want, his reasoning on every case he makes is exactly the same type of "sound-good" reasoning he uses as scum.

When you can easily follow Bingle's logic and you think this guy is sounding so credible he's very likely scum trying to get a mislynch pushed with good sounding reasoning.

When he's town he is much more often applying level 2 logic to see things differently.

He's trying to make you see CHKflip as town based on flimsy reasoning. Lavender did not TOWNSLIP due to the stuff in the role pm. Bingle stating that chkflip is town for stating that is BAD mechanical and social reasoning.

He was trying to push a scumcase on TempLich based on templich flipping his opinion and reads all over the place, being hypocritical in his stances, and attacking other people over stuff he does himself. A townbingle knows that that shit is likely to come from town much more often than scum. A scum Bingle knows that that shit is also very likely to get people mislynched because people applying level 1 logic think thats a good reason to lynch people.

But, if you think you really know him that well that you can tell the difference between a town bingle and a scum bingle (note: you probably cannot ever, unless you've played at least 5-10 games with him)................then you should probably sheep his read, because he is right about one thing: I wouldnt be gunning for him if I was scum.

TLDR: Youre applying level 1 logic and not giving Bingle any type of credit in his ability.

[Vecna]

In fact, do some homework yourself, and compare the replace-ins:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=82769

The process in that game is a lot more course, interrogating, asking questions, parsing dialogue.

Here he just comes in, throws some comments, and then suddenly has a readslist.

When I question him on it, he suddenly prepares a giant wall on the guy that is hardpushing CHKflip.

[Vecna]

Pretty good source material for a scum pisskop in that game as well, since he's strongly reverting back to that style after a bit of a stronger start in this game.

[Vecna]

Lavender did not TOWNSLIP due to the stuff in the role pm. Bingle stating that chkflip is town for stating that is BAD mechanical and social reasoning.

Two things:

1. I truly believe they did and that was the reason I called people to *cough* unfortunatelylynchthetowncop *cough* are you saying I'm fabricating that after the fact?

2. Am I being pocketed or are you saying Bingle and I are aligned?

Im saying as scum you would also have that pm information, and couldve pretended all the same that that is why you thought it was a townslip.

Bingle saying he thinks youre locktown for how you handled that situation just does not ring like a town conclusion to me. This works independently of whether youre linked to Bingle or not

[Vecna]

case A50 for me bingle.

[Vecna]

Although They have received quite a bit of pressure this game.
Need to apply more to PK and Vecna first.

Apply pressure to me for what?

The odds of lynching me here are about zero. I doubt you want me to post even more.

[Vecna]

Hmmm, guess my number of posts isnt even that high this game

[Vecna]

Regardless, the general consensus is most likely very wrong.

Everyone is slowly drifting towards the cosy feeling that the entire scumteam has put zero effort into solving. Town has most likely already lost this game

[Vecna]

A50 might actually be scum here though for his high confidence in being willing to just call CHKflip and Bingle town

[Vecna]

You have complete free reign afaik. Just make the reasoning after the fact plausible, but do it in such a way that it aint predictable

[Vecna]

have him investigate me and then if he fakes a guilty on me, throw him to the wolves to avenge me

This is probably one of the top5 scummy posts in the thread.

Why on earth would a 3p survivor ever fake a guilty?

[Vecna]

A50 might actually be scum here though for his high confidence in being willing to just call CHKflip and Bingle town

That's a really odd reasoning. I mean, I will disregard your tendency to SR me just because you can, but the consequence of this line of thought is: If I get flipped you will dismiss my reads on them because I am "not informed", and if either of them flips (green) you'd be able to accuse me of TMI. Hell, even if one of them flips RED you'd accuse me of being their p. So, (1) You keep me in contention for the miselimination, and (2) you disregard my reads when I flip.

My point had nothing to do with flipping people at all. My point was that youre well aware of either of their ability, and absolutely nothing they have done is not in their scum range. Especially Bingle, whom you well know can push a lot of peoples buttons to ellicit townreads all across the board.

Yet you are very confident in calling them both town without hesitation.

But go ahead and educate me on the things that bingle has done that make you state this. Maybe ill learn a thing or two

[Vecna]

Hope shit will get better for you Kuribo. sincerely

[Vecna]

my point exactly, scum is hiding at least 50% in the towny looking people

[Vecna]

Hope shit will get better for you Kuribo. sincerely

i appreciate that but you still owe me an answer:

This is probably one of the top5 scummy posts in the thread.

how the fuck is it scummy, nay, one of the scummiest posts in the fucking thread, to say: "Have him investigate me, lynch me if he says i'm guilty, and then when I flip town, rope his ass right behind me"


do you find that scum frequently offer themselves for investigation and for lynch or are you just calling everything scummy?

do you think that i'm even trying to survive in this game?

My first impression to that post was sternly this: Why would town even be thinking about the possibility of getting fake guiltied? The chance of a guilty being called out is something scum is much more likely to have on their mind. Pre-empting it with a sound good "ill take a lynch if it happens, but you better lynch the 3p after" just doesnt add anything of value, and duh.

[Vecna]

Yeah, vigilante is almost always town lest the game be scumsided to hell and back

one shot vig on scum could be a thing if town is high powered and would get the slot to day5 with the claim, but im really hating how the reveal was treated.

[Vecna]

need i remind you that when DGB was saying "Let's kill the third party," a bunch of you said, "Let Elsa Jay vig it."

So then someone else claims vig, and it's "Oh Elsa, you so silly"

this shit right here is what's wrong with towns these days

elsa jay just claimed generic pr so the 3p would have to guess.

[Vecna]

It says Vigilante in green, Galron. My alignment and the even-night modifier is described below that.

First of all this isn't how Role PMs work, like, at all.

Second, look at the flipped PRs and compare them to this.

Spoiler: Skeeter Wallis

Hillbilly PR

Skeeter Wallis

You are a

Lawman.

You come from a long line of Lawmen, all the way back to your great, great, great grandaddy.
Albeit, they have not been the best at that job.
You've vowed to be the best Lawman that the Wallis family has ever produced.
Getting rid of these

Rednecks

is your first big task.
Show this town you're not like the

Lawmen

that have come before you.

Each night you may target a player. They cannot die, or perform any action that night.

You win when all of the

Rednecks

have been run out of town.

Spoiler: Diemon Dave (Iecerint)

Hillbilly PR

Diemon Dave

You are a

Kung-Fu Hillbilly

After your short stint on the Jerry Springer show, you had lots of fame.
That quickly died out, and now you've settled in Wiltwickee.
This has become your new home. You even opened up your own dojo to make sure all the kids of this town can stay safe.

Each night you may target a player. You will be told if they are a

Redneck

or a

Hillbilly.

Thanks to your extensive training, this ability is untraceable.

You win when all of the

Rednecks

have been run out of town.

YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT BAKER

WHO FLAVORED JAILKEEPER AND NINJA COP INTO THAT

JUST WENT "yeah nah we'll just call you a vigilante"

NAH B

this is convincing though

[Vecna]

gadzooks

Elsa is not a vig

also a good spot

[Vecna]

ofcourse, pre-determiming what your fakeclaim is gonna be, and then softing it once, is not that uncommon as scum.

[Vecna]

but chkflip doing the "it cant coexist with my role thing" the naming argument, and now his vote is suddenly elsewhere...

[Vecna]

By the by, and I know you know this, but testing the fucking waters instead of just outright voting me is fence-sitty bullshit you've done all game and I'm pretty tired of seeing it.

I think you also know very well I dont care about whether im sitting on a fence, and I rarely give a shit how people feel about my process of reaching my conclusions. If im the only one that thinks youre town ill still defend you to death (like with votato last game we played together) and if im the only one that thinks youre scum I also really dont give a shit being the only vanity voter just for the sake of it.

Having said all that, I really didnt care for your "everyone not one of these 6 votes is wasting their shit, blabla". Especially now that youre actually encouraging me to do that.

But whatever to all that. Im still in the ongoing process of making up my mind. Your play this game is completely wtf-all-over-the-place. Im not used from you whatsoever that youre trying to be the bad cop townleader trying to forcefully get people to do what you want em to do. You were much less inclined to make people do what you wanted them to do in all our prior games. Whether its just a change in style and youre fighting for your beliefs, or youre openwolfing to kingdom come out of some sort of desperation because all the alternatives are likely to land on scum.....eh. fuck me if I know.

So, ill enjoy my spot here on the fence.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Speedwagoning this shit also feels completely fine.

The promised participation still hasnt happened, and by the slots own admission this needs to be a thing.

[Vecna]

TL, Elsa has actively stated he never claimed vig. He did so to trick the 3p, to see if he could actually see what was targeting him. Whatever it was all fake, should really not factor into any of your decisions.

The weird interactions with the 3p though......maybe scum gave the 3p some gift and theyre hoping for reciprocation, and he was just openly thanking him for not giving his shit away. It was very blatant so it could just be town trying to be hero-kill-drawing as well.

[Vecna]

No, but I can for sure tell you that thinking any form of a lie will only come from scum will result in you losing a lot of games as town.

Not saying that EJ is town here, because he's been pretty flacid, but your reasoning could use a bit more depth

[Vecna]

For the lazy/simple minded, Almost, when did he say that? Quote or just post # would do.

No, you promised to do your own part. You told us to wagon you if you did not.

Shape up

[Vecna]

Based on the VCs, Bingle is a good vote too.

Hello Titus

[Vecna]

A50, Thun never claimed an N1 target. Dunno where you got that from bud.

pk is Thun. Thun claimed Even Night, but pk (on D1) said he'd be targeting Alch in 627, although -now that I've ISO'd pk- he earlier said:

what if we trusted our PRs to not target the shady claimant and we scumhunted tho?

So, IF pk/Thun are indeed E-N-Vig there's a chance pk was trying to dissuade OTHER TPRs from targeting Alch?

The way that post reads to me is strongly "Ill target you, but you wont like the outcome if youre lying". Nothing to indicate he was talking about targetting him N1.

To me, that post works in favor of the claim being real. But then again, I really wouldnt put it past pisskop to be prepared for a fakeclaim.

[Vecna]

I’ve been thinking PK was scummy for most of the game.
My only issue is here is the fact that I don’t think I’ve seen PK on anyone’s TR’s this game.
Not to mention their wagon isn’t showing any resistance.
If they are scum, their buds are probably bussing.
My suggestion is that me and Alchemist target PK tonight and we go for someone else today.
What do you all think?
Because assuming they are Even-Night Vigilante and we eliminate that today, we lost our KPN and down another PR.

I was heavily townreading PK early game. My opinion changed because he started lurking more and more, which is what I expect from him as scum.

However, I just went back through the iso to remind myself why I was townreading the slot.......and im pretty sure my reasons were on point. The early pisskop posts felt damn towny to me.

Im definately in favor of seeing what happens tonight. Lynching the slot just because youre trying to outguess the mod is never a very good idea. If all slots had a pure new flavour, the mod probably wouldve given scum fakeclaims with flavoury shit in it as well. Besides, theres other role pm's out there that are very low on flavour in the naming and stray very close to the original wording.

[Vecna]

Based on the VCs, Bingle is a good vote too.

Can you talk more about this?

[Vecna]

That entire interaction is fascinating.

is it now?

[Vecna]

You didn't answer my question, btw.

You picked one of my posts, there was plenty of talk about pisskop in later posts, so your question was kinda like you just control f'd pisskop and only questioned the first post

[Vecna]

if CHK is actually scum here, his play is still more pro-town than like 80% of the playerlist. Even if he is pushing mislynches (is he though? who knows)

[Vecna]

I bet auro is still spectating and is very disappointed with me

[Vecna]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Vecna]

Vecna voting me after we got a contradiction from Thun already. Fun.

So you were just posturing when you said "pressure me if I do not participate" right?

Because now youre whining about it?

[Vecna]

Vecna voting me after we got a contradiction from Thun already. Fun.

and whats the contradiction exactly?

[Vecna]

Thun is pretty obv-town here imo

[Vecna]

But people are going to ignore me completely regardless, just like with Lavender

[Vecna]

Were not giving you a vig, alchemist. Theres way better shots, and were not going to give you the option to revenge shoot our tunneling town IC just as youre about to exit the game.

[Vecna]

The only reason for doubt I have on Tun maybe being scum is that certain people are acting like theyre aware he's about to flip scum and are already trying to make people look bad for defending the slot.

[Vecna]

His posts sure all sound ridiculous, but I still think hes town, and itd strongly prefer a shot on a few other select individuals.

edit: stop being a buffoon TL

[Vecna]

you do realize I scumread you Vecna... your posts are scummy and you're on a neutral trend

Yeah, I realize you need a lot of guidance. the rest is just in your head

[Vecna]

Vecna, what are your thoughts on Titus pushing me? I find it odd that you've been largely silent on that front since she repped in, despite thinking I was scum fairly recently.

I mean, the reasons were dogshite, but the conclusion might still be correct.

I havent quite determined yet if im feeling this is a town titus replace in.