pandering and we already went over the whole alliance thing from d1 but it just seems like a weird proposition to make [note: not scum WITH hoopla]
also im not gonna quote it all here but like it takes until post 216 for CLAP to give an actual opinion on the game
shows support for a wagon, followed by people showing interest, then steps out to get the wagon going [note: no reasons stated for wagon thus far]
In post 405, CantHateAPuppy wrote:vpb feels a lot more unguarded than his last scum game, feels a lot more unfiltered, minor town read
first actual read with reasons and it's just soft meta (trash) with a "minor" town read?
no scumhunting yet.
In post 439, CantHateAPuppy wrote: In post 426, Starbuck wrote:
This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.
Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.
all right, looking at your back and forth with blair, i think you're being inconsistent, but inconsistent in a town way
definitely don't argree that going "full bore" on someone with two posts is a bad thing, isn't driving a wagon a good way to get more out of someone?
this is a nothingburger. after a big back and forth w/ starbuck the conclusion is "you're inconsistent but town" which i do not understand. im just not connecting the dots from A to B here with CLAP
In post 452, CantHateAPuppy wrote: In post 448, Starbuck wrote: In post 444, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i don't mean this in a rude way. would you call yourself a stubborn person? or more light-hearted? i just want to get a picture of how to read you right
I feel I'm more lighthearted, but any interaction with me seems to be taken much more seriously than I intend when I'm just responding. Words like her "outrage" or folks assuming that I feel attacked feel so out of place because I'm not feeling that way. I'm trying to figure out where heads are at or why they think that of me as town, or if they really are scum and are just trying to push a mislynch. I just don't get the hostility behind it.
I don't know if folks are pushing buttons on purpose because I'll admit when I was here ages ago, I was probably more of a toxic player sometimes and I don't want to be that. I just want to play the game and enjoy because at the end of the day, it's just a game. If I die, I die. I'll make mistakes. I'll misread shit sometimes. Welcome to mafia!
thanks, this helps
this feels like empty posturing around starbuck. asks for self-meta. is given self-meta. and the end result is "thanks this helps". like this wasn't an attempt to solve anyone and whether someone is lighthearted or not seems irrelevant to whether they're scum PLUUUUUUS it's self-meta which is like double trash on top of trash
i just have a hard time believing SB's answer to this question actually gave CLAP anything insightful
In post 630, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i don't really like the vpb wagon, but i kind of agree that it's the game phase where it's time to consolidate, at least for now. I have vpb for town so I'll take the other option:
VOTE: auro
mild townread on abr for his annoying, incessent spam about how we need to vote one wagon or another. it's townie to be a little pushy here and, tbh, i think he's right that the old wagons are dead and was looking for where i'd put my vote next anyways
i dont really know how to explain this one
it's a vote on a flipped scum but it's more like "rock and a hard place ill take auro" and then there's no actual read on the gamestate or WHY auro over vpb other than weak meta CLAP has restated twice.
there's no actual attempt to drive the wagon and CLAP creates a false dichotomy between vpb/auro here. tactical bus?
I KNOW THIS ISN'T ACTUALLY A TELL but more than once CLAP has started posts with "to be honest" which i still believe may be a subliminal scum thing but don't weigh that really bc it's a dumb theory im convinced to prove one day
In post 748, CantHateAPuppy wrote:UNVOTE:
im not feeling any of these wagons right now, i need to step back and look at my options. auro in the last page or two doesn't really feel scummy to me, he just seems like someone defending a misreading of his posts that other people have decided is scummy for sort of meta reasons
sees an opportunity to hop off of auro. if CLAP was bussing then this is the right moment to hop off and hope momentum builds elsewhere while still getting :townpoints: for voting auro
In post 826, CantHateAPuppy wrote: In post 771, Albert B. Rampage wrote:See this is why I don't write motherfucking cases or try to explain my vote.
When I do, it brings the bandwagon to a grinding halt as people's biases and false references cloud their judgment and they hesitate.
When I say, look at the iso and find your own reasons to vote them, they try and try to find a reason, wind up seeing something new if not the exact thing I saw, and then they vote for the player I want.
There are a multitude of tells, and the one I use may not be the one someone else finds, but in the end, it doesn't matter as long as we win.
Vote VP Baltar guys. Let's go. We don't need 80 pages to end day 1.
In post 747, CantHateAPuppy wrote: In post 707, Albert B. Rampage wrote:1) He's desperately trying to look town and willing to make big posts calling out some people as town and some as scummy (he says I'm NAI in the big post, later says he doesn't like that I am rolefishing Reck). MT says this is town but it seems incredibly pre-planned to me so I think she's the scumbuddy.
none of these points really convince me, but this one seems especially bad, i don't get what's inconsistent about calling you null but also saying he doesn't like one specific thing you're doing
He's trying extremely hard to look town, that's what this is. Harder than you, harder than me, harder than any town ought to try.
uh, that's an interesting theory of mafia. not sure i agree but does it really matter?
thinking some more the auro case doesn't hit right, i don't agree that lots of low-effort posts mean scum or that his posts are particularly low-effort. but of all the major cases presented so far (vpb, blair), the one on auro is "least wrong" imo
soft defense of auro re: abr's push
In post 998, CantHateAPuppy wrote:hoo boy, this is going to be a hot take because no one asked for it and im not going to really explain it beyond "gut feeling"
but im thinking 2/4 scum in this group: [ llamarble, farside22, reck, kmd ]
thought goes like this: day reads to me like lots of town infighting, main wagons town (vpb, auro), some of the bigger drivers (blair, abr, gc) don't feel like scum drivers. so im kind of looking for players who are skirting around the main wagons and main discussions and that's what i feel at least. (actually llamarble is 3rd most active player which surprised me because i don't remember much of what he has said / done all game, this is probably the first iso ill do when i get around to that stage)
so we know that farside flipped scum, i know im town, idk about kmd or llamarble
but maybe bigger !?!?!?!?!? is that CLAP *knew* there were 4 scum before hoopla revealed her information.
putting one buddy in a scum group is already a pretty common scum tactic! on top of this she calls auro town. it's pretty easy -- farside had no pressure, so toss her in the scum pile for easy points, while still soft defending auro. btw if CLAP is scum im treating kmd & llamarble as conftown here.
In post 1083, CantHateAPuppy wrote:all right, blair makes me brave, i don't want to keep holding my vote, ill try this wagon
VOTE: albert b rampage
finally, commits to ABR over Auro
DAY TWO HAPPENS!
In post 1331, CantHateAPuppy wrote: In post 1300, VP Baltar wrote: In post 1293, Gammagooey wrote:He seemed p. right about Auro from what I've read up to so far - what was he wrong about? (aside from his Reck thoughts, Reck being lazier than his former self is a truth he was unaware of)
Well he was clearly wrong about me for starters and contributed to that uphill fight for Auro for some time.
I also recall he was scum reading puppy, which I found myself disagreeing with.
I think the whole "solve the entire game" approach to D1 was counterproductive and contributed to a bloated D1. But hey, pobody's nerfect
this post screams town imo, that plus the fact he was run up yesterday to me means VPB is basically town
i thought his MT case was good too, i want to go back and look at all the posts he pointed out and see if i actually agree with it. MT's entrance this page was fairly good too, so sorting out a read here is my homework
porkens looks town to me, i had that thought yesterday before reading the flip and again after. auro's scum theater was so over the top that i don't think it comes from scum v scum, if porkens was scum with auro it would have been way easier to do just about anything else
i didnt quote it but CLAP opens the day by voting IAAUN saying he seems like "the most likely non-auro voter to be scum"
so then CLAP goes right back to defending VPB, which, that was the bulk of the D1 posts i didnt quote. it's like incessant how hard CLAP wants everyone to know they believe VPB to be town. all on meta. over and over.
In post 1332, CantHateAPuppy wrote:hoopla, maybe this isn't a question uve researched but since uve talked about research
any thoughts on when scum is most likely to hop on a bus? L-1? L-2? hammer? i guess it kinda doesn't matter, but i'm trying to figure out how much the auro wagon has scum and how much the off wagons have scum
questioning hoopla about mafia theory while
still not explaining the IAAUN vote
In post 1400, CantHateAPuppy wrote:VOTE: farside
it should be obvious that any investigative roles should be on pork/starbuck tonight
CLAP already spent a lot of time defending porkens so to 180 to flip on him wouldve been really transparent. after not bussing D1 i think once Starbuck's info was public it's very likely scum decided to cut their losses and get the bus credit. in the meantime, tries to waste town investigative powers by getting inv roles on porkens (who died)
