Want to share specifics?In post 1645, Blair wrote:Puppy I could see possibly being scum based on wagonomics
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Also I just noticed from the VC that you suspect CLAP and user but are voting nobody.In post 1608, Green Crayons wrote:
Can you spin both of these out more? You’ve been p quiet and these suspicions don’t really have much meat on them.In post 1598, Kmd4390 wrote:- I think my biggest scum reads up to Page 54 are Cantlynchapuppy and iamausername for a combination of my early suspicions and their Day 1 votes. Cantlynchapuppy had a weird ABR vote right before Auro was eliminated and I didn't like iamausername's VP vote.
What's up with that?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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i'm going to post this now. i will take a look at UT later, probably not bother with Reck, i entirely forgot about his revelation soft-claim and i don't see that coming unprompted from scum. but just... Blair is screamingly obvious scum to me and MT really, really isn't. i feel like some complacency is setting in after we've hit two scum in a row and people feel like we just can't lose from here, and they're just going along with an easy choice that kind of makes sense without examining it too closely. and like this will happen again tomorrow when MT flips town and people will just default to me, then probably Puppy, then maybe KMD, and then oops scum win.
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don't do the easy thing, do the right thing. vote Blair.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I've been low efforting this game (which is probably why you felt this was a viable game to wagon me in), let me know when it's time to start flailing.
In the meantime, everyone else should take note of the way IAAU just described his game plan and then ascribed it to me, while theorizing that town is picking easy cases without examining them too closely whilst pushing exactly that.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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hey a Blair
I'm not particularly convinced by IAAU's case on you Blair but I'm up for poking you into doing more since you've been low efforting today
-You were voting UT for what seemed like you not liking his reasons to think you were scum. Am I parsing that correctly, and was there any more than that in Blair's behind the scenes screening room? Do you think any of your reason(s) to find UT scummy day 1 translate over into him still being reasonably scummy this game day?
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Meh, this was not what I thought it to be upon further digging around. He struck the tone with a handful of people (and more than I recalled initially) and in retrospect, doesn't seem great to lump Llama in there wrt how the town was generally reading him at the time. There are other small tics that bother me from llama and gamma independent of associative tells, but nothing I feel super great about right now.In post 1531, AGar wrote:
So I'm working out a couple ISOs, but Auro's reaction to Llamarble pushing on him was similar to Farside pushing on him (and doesn't line up with other pushes on him that I've observed so far). Auro had a habit of choosing specific people to engage with fiercely that were voting him, while otherwise not really pushing against others (myself being the latter category).In post 1526, Green Crayons wrote:CLAP or Gamma
1598 pings as "I'm doing something, I'm doing something!" while not actually doing anything.
@KMDDo you plan on engaging with thecurrentevents at all or do you just plan on continuing to hang out in the past where you can give uncontroversial opinions on dated matters and don't have to react in real time? Because all I see right now is you doing the latter.
1612 screams "You can't fault me for not being good becauseyou're all so very good and better," and that is a terrible line of reasoning.
1637 is :goodposting:
Dislike 1654, generally echo what Gamma's putting down in 1655.
I feel... uncomfortable with the ease that the MT wagon has just casually picked up? I know there were some vocalized scumreads on MT D1/D2, and I feel like MT's been skating by and not doing anything and I agree with the arguments in favor of yeeting MT, but didn't feel like it was *this* many. I'm townleaning ~1/2 the wagon though, so it's not like I'm sitting here with flashing bells saying "fuck this wagon is purely scum driven."
I don't like IAAUN's reads? Like I am very suspect of him saying I'm obvtown because, well, I don't think I've played in that manner to be read that way? Also the Blair vote is a weird move.
P-Edit: Misyeet is a great term.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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UT was mostly my olive branch to ABR (out of game thing, I know, but we rarely get along and I was trying to work with him) and UT was the most agreeable from his list for me. Everything that came after that was me doubling down on my vote because I usually do, and it's hard to apply pressure if you aren't really pushing anything. I don't really feel like I have enough to go on (even now) to take a definitive stance on UT at this point.In post 1655, Gammagooey wrote:hey a Blair
I'm not particularly convinced by IAAU's case on you Blair but I'm up for poking you into doing more since you've been low efforting today
-You were voting UT for what seemed like you not liking his reasons to think you were scum. Am I parsing that correctly, and was there any more than that in Blair's behind the scenes screening room? Do you think any of your reason(s) to find UT scummy day 1 translate over into him still being reasonably scummy this game day?
-Do you have any SPICY reads for the final scum if you're assuming IAAU is the 3rd, or if you wind up being wrong about IAAU any suspicions most people might find unusual on who the 3rd/4th could plausibly be?
My spiciest take by far is: {Starbuck | Reck / GC}, which I think is actually kind of compelling based on wagons and the fact that Porkens was killed rather than Starbuck.
That's if IAAU is town, though.
If IAAU is scum, maybe Puppy? Or whoever replaced Llamarble - who replaced Llamarble?“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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Oh, you replaced Llamarble. Awkward.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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To elaborate on this a little: When Puppy suggested an investigator check out Starbuck, Reck and GC were the two people who sort of scoffed at that and tried to dissuade from it - then Porkens was nightkilled which sort of "Proved" Starbuck's revelation - an odd choice for scum to clear her instead of killing her if she's town. The Porkens kill pretty much guarantees she will never be investigated.In post 1659, Blair wrote:{Starbuck | Reck / GC}“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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I don’t remember scoffing but I’ve been known to do it.
Including your theory requires a big gambit from Starbuck (offering up farside buddy) and Reck (who has confirmed Starbuck as town).
It’s a really bad theory."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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As in, this is me scoffing."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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But actually, Reck, why don’t you share your revelation? So we can all agree that we should feel good about Starbuck.In post 1656, xRECKONERx wrote:i have reread my drunk iso of CLAP and no longer think it's good
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I am aware it requires a big gambit - that's what makes it a spicy take.
Is your point that neither Starbuck nor Reck would engage in a big gambit?“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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i am v. sneakyIn post 1660, Blair wrote:Oh, you replaced Llamarble. Awkward.
killing Porkens over Starbuck being a reason for Starbuck being scum is more than a bit of a reach imo. Porkens was actually confirmed town at that point unless all of Starbuck/Porkens/farside were scum together, so if the scum don't think that Porkens would be protected/watched then he's objectively the better kill (discounting one of them having significantly better reads than the other) than Starbuck who isn't conf. town.
I could go into a little more about starbuck thoughts but I did ask you for your spiciest read and that is v. spicy so I'm fine leaving it with that for now I think.
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My point is that three of the remaining scum would not, on D2, sacrifice one of their own (who wasn’t under serious pressure), and then tie the last two together so if one flips scum the other is in serious jeopardy based on associative tells alone.In post 1665, Blair wrote:I am aware it requires a big gambit - that's what makes it a spicy take.
Is your point that neither Starbuck nor Reck would engage in a big gambit?
There’s risky, and then there’s stupid."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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it feels this way because the wagon is not scum-driven, because scum don't need to drive wagons on town if town will do it for them.In post 1658, AGar wrote: I feel... uncomfortable with the ease that the MT wagon has just casually picked up? I know there were some vocalized scumreads on MT D1/D2, and I feel like MT's been skating by and not doing anything and I agree with the arguments in favor of yeeting MT, but didn't feel like it was *this* many. I'm townleaning ~1/2 the wagon though, so it's not like I'm sitting here with flashing bells saying "fuck this wagon is purely scum driven."Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Those points specifically I don't think there's really much more to say. I mean the ABR wagon, it's been covered how bad that was and I just don't think blair is scum which gives me Cantlynchapuppy. VP pretty much described why iamausername's vote on him was bad.In post 1608, Green Crayons wrote:
Can you spin both of these out more? You’ve been p quiet and these suspicions don’t really have much meat on them.In post 1598, Kmd4390 wrote:- I think my biggest scum reads up to Page 54 are Cantlynchapuppy and iamausername for a combination of my early suspicions and their Day 1 votes. Cantlynchapuppy had a weird ABR vote right before Auro was eliminated and I didn't like iamausername's VP vote.
But as far as some other issues...
Both iamausername and Cantlynchapuppy had votes on farside that could have been scum in the mindset of "oh crap my buddy is going down because of info, I'd better jump on the wagon so I don't get caught on it."
Cantlynchapuppy also had a post that somewhat matched something farside said about investigate roles needing to be on Starbuck/Porkens/farside. It just feels like something a Cantlynchapuppy/farside team would want to happen if scum has some sort of element that screws with investigative roles and they either thought they could get a false innocent on farside or false guilty on Porkens or Starbuck. Like if someone flips framer or sometby, I'm gonna be convinced Cantlynchapuppy is scum.
A post of iamausername's that stood out to me was where he called auro's VT claim while actually being a tracker bad play. While he's absolutely right, he sounded annoyed or bitter about it. Could be someone upset at a teammate. Also where he talked about the pool it seemed like the mindset of who is eliminatable rather than who he scum reads.
If I'm wrong on either of these reads, UT Is probably my next pick. Hooplas post about finding a bussing buddy made me realize UTs position and timing to hop on the wagon make him a possible Auro buddy. And then the way he made such a show of hammering farside but then put it off seemed like maybe he wanted some credit for it. His post about Reck not coming after him at daystart also kind of makes me wonder if he's scum who avoided that NK out of fear it points to him but Porkens was basically confirmed town so maybe that's tinfoil.
I don't really feel like morning tweet is scum. Nothing has convinced me there.
I still have a pet theory of hoopla being scum with Cantlynchapuppy but meh.
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Also I just noticed from the VC that you suspect CLAP and user but are voting nobody.
What's up with that?
Feel free to ask me specific questions if you don't understand my current views or I missed a major event somewhere.Agar wrote:
@KMD Do you plan on engaging with the current events at all or do you just plan on continuing to hang out in the past where you can give uncontroversial opinions on dated matters and don't have to react in real time? Because all I see right now is you doing the latter.
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have you thought about how dumb this is considering that Puppy was voting farside and farside was going to be lynched and flip scum at the timeIn post 1670, Kmd4390 wrote: Cantlynchapuppy also had a post that somewhat matched something farside said about investigate roles needing to be on Starbuck/Porkens/farside. It just feels like something a Cantlynchapuppy/farside team would want to happen if scum has some sort of element that screws with investigative roles and they either thought they could get a false innocent on farside or false guilty on Porkens or Starbuck. Like if someone flips framer or sometby, I'm gonna be convinced Cantlynchapuppy is scum.
because I think you'd maybe have a point if farside flipped town but thinking pretty much anyone in this caliber of game would investigate Porkens/Starbuck after Starbuck claimed what wound up being a half-guilty on farside and Porkens became literally confirmed town seems dumb.-
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I mean, assuming Hoopla's info is correct, there's only two scum left max. So at this point almost no wagon is going to be scum driven. It's the lack of resistance or burgeoning actual counterwagon that concerns me. We got to Y-1 on D3 with no real resistance for that and within 72 hours or so.In post 1668, iamausername wrote:
it feels this way because the wagon is not scum-driven, because scum don't need to drive wagons on town if town will do it for them.In post 1658, AGar wrote: I feel... uncomfortable with the ease that the MT wagon has just casually picked up? I know there were some vocalized scumreads on MT D1/D2, and I feel like MT's been skating by and not doing anything and I agree with the arguments in favor of yeeting MT, but didn't feel like it was *this* many. I'm townleaning ~1/2 the wagon though, so it's not like I'm sitting here with flashing bells saying "fuck this wagon is purely scum driven."Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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