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[NoPowerOverMe]

Janko wagon>Test wagon

[NoPowerOverMe]

Somehow I think DKK and Andres just don't like that they're not on the top of my tree.

[Datisi]

Yeah if we disagreed fundamentally on our view of the game and they put out a flimsy case on someone I was TR sure. But we very largely agree so I’m not too worried about it right now.

man i wish i was scum right now because pocketing you would be the easiest thing ever

the easiest thing for scum to do is to agree with someone, especially if they're wrong

like even you said that ico's reaction being more perosnality than alignment was a good point

[Billy Pilgrim]

I lied. I'm just going to skip breakfast and do this catch up now.

but after the wagon I am not so sure what to think of it. It kind of happened a bit too fast for my liking. But I am a bit at a loss because I am town or null on all on the wagon.

This is my point. The speed of the wagon doesn't matter if literally everyone on it is town. We shouldn't be afraid to be right. Speed wagons that form on scum are actually super powerful because they put the scum in a bad position without a calculated response. I completely think snow is the right play and the counter wagon on testarossa is going to yield a ton of information upon flip.

also if u think in a game with 3 scum with so many v high energy players that at the very least snow!scum wouldnt be at the very least be coached in scum chat rn, then thats absurd.

Ah, this explains what you said above perhaps. Maybe I'm out of practice here. Is scum day chat a pretty standard function? I did have it in my last couple scum games, but there seemed to be theme/setup reasons in those games for that to exist. I wouldn't have assumed all normal games have scum day chat. What's site meta currently?



Koba and Aldsukkel are probably the worst of the testarossa votes, imo.

I actually lied, Janks vote is bad too.

There's almost no explanation of this wagon other than "tess uses a lot of words' and "I don't like snow wagon"

Gosh, I can't wait for Billy to weigh in on all this. On D2.

lol'd

Let's counterwagon.

VOTE: Andresvmb.

Translation: "I know tess will flip town, so I'm going to find a spot to park my vote that won't draw suspicion D2"

I checked the wiki for an answer and apparently for scum to have day chat they either need a live encryptor or there needs to be an announcement in the rules.

[Andresvmb]

@Datisi They’re not trying to pocket me with their views. None of their views were thrown out as a response to anything I said. So why is that relevant?

[VP Baltar]

Literally everyone still on the snowblaze wagon is pretty solid town reads from most people in the game. A magical testarossa counter wagon emerges from nowhere to stop this elim?

Naw, dawg.

I need to spend some time today to closely dissect what happened, but now I'm more confident in testarossa town. Snowblaze is scum.

You think the scum play when you're being wagoned is to townread your counterwagon then try and start a counter-counterwagon on someone that left you for your counterwagon? I mean I'm missing the scum motivation in that play specifically.

If her scum buddies are on the counter wagon, she may not want to congeal any more there. It was already up to E-1, scum!snow may not have felt the need to add to that wagon.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah if we disagreed fundamentally on our view of the game and they put out a flimsy case on someone I was TR sure. But we very largely agree so I’m not too worried about it right now.

man i wish i was scum right now because pocketing you would be the easiest thing ever

the easiest thing for scum to do is to agree with someone, especially if they're wrong

like even you said that ico's reaction being more perosnality than alignment was a good point

And how little paranoia do you think I have that I would blindly follow a read through the end of the game despite updated information in the form of flips?

[Billy Pilgrim]

The scummy side.

What because I think the most suspect players are you Koba and Jank? Who am I aligning myself with thats scummy?

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Billy: You're aligning yourself with the wrong side.

Also, I think this sort of implicitly reflects a scum perspective. Like it implicitly assumes someone's trying to play with a team mentality. Something about this feels weird.

[Datisi]

@Datisi They’re not trying to pocket me with their views. None of their views were thrown out as a response to anything I said. So why is that relevant?

i'm trying to say that if you just look at "does this person agree with me or not" rather than "why do they agree" or "do they seem to have good intentions" you're gonna be a very easy target for pocketing.

pedit: i didn't say you'd blindly follow it to the end of the game
but i have a feeling this town is being led astray and i'm trying to get to the bottom of it

[NoPowerOverMe]

VP lead the snow wagon and for me that's the major D1 event so far.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Billy: You're aligning yourself with the wrong side.

Also, I think this sort of implicitly reflects a scum perspective. Like it implicitly assumes someone's trying to play with a team mentality. Something about this feels weird.

I am playing with a team mentality, the town team. I find VP extremely scummy. You're better off not townreading him.

[DkKoba]

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no i dont like that testa is at the bottom and ur allergic to keeping ur vote on them

[Andresvmb]

Having similar views of the game is a very reasonable way of figuring out Town *if* you end up voting for Scum. Say we ended voting NPOM away and they flipped Scum. Would you really focus on jankofan immediately after, given how today has played out? Probably not right? This is my point. Right now, we agree almost exactly. And we haven’t discussed things amongst ourselves (I don’t recall shooting a post directed at janko yet or vice versa) and it has felt very organic from janko. So, that’s enough for me not to focus too much on that slot right now.

[DkKoba]

oh nice quote fucked up

[NoPowerOverMe]

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no i dont like that testa is at the bottom and ur allergic to keeping ur vote on them

It's called wagon analysis.

[DkKoba]

if anyone is pocketing anyone its janko pocketing me and they'll learn v fast that is a big mistake bc i will make u spew ur whole scumteam if u pocket me.

[Andresvmb]

Also, I’m ready for a flip at this point. I want to see if DkKoba is all he’s cranking themselves up to be hahaha

[Andresvmb]

They* my bad.

[DkKoba]

i have knowingly jumped on wagons i dont want happening knowing i am scumread by certain people just to stop them this is scum 101.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I really like my NPOM vote. Can we get more votes there? I dont see why this is a vanity wagon at the moment.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Let me bow down to your superior mafia knowledge DKK.

[NoPowerOverMe]

idiots unite.

[Raya36]

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[Raya36]

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