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[Alduskkel]

Okay Andres is VPB "nearly confirmed town" or about "50/50"? You can't have it both ways.

[Andresvmb]

Maybe his agenda is finding scum.

And what do you think my agenda has been so far?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well your push on Bob looks bad.

[Andresvmb]

Okay Andres is VPB "nearly confirmed town" or about "50/50"? You can't have it both ways.

I didn’t say it was a 50/50. I said it’s “no better” than a 50/50. But thanks for the misrepresentation there.

[Andresvmb]

Well your push on Bob looks bad.

Yeah because I was the ONLY player pushing Bob. Like how bad can you be? VPB was screaming that Snowblaze/Bob was Scum since D1.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

[DkKoba]

andres now that im here u are suddenly ignoring me big think react!

[Andresvmb]

You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

This is false. D2 I might have been loud about it absolutely. But overall? No. Just re-read the damn game.

[Alduskkel]

Okay Andres is VPB "nearly confirmed town" or about "50/50"? You can't have it both ways.

I didn’t say it was a 50/50. I said it’s “no better” than a 50/50. But thanks for the misrepresentation there.

No, you said "not much better than 50/50":

VPB is not much better than a 50/50

That means it's close to 50/50. Being "not much better than 50/50" is way different from being "nearly confirmed town"!

And you still haven't answered why you said we need to "get it right" between me and NPOM if you think both of us are scum.

[Andresvmb]

andres now that im here u are suddenly ignoring me big think react!

I’m not ignoring you. I didn’t see anything specifically targeted at me.

I don’t know what you all want me to do. Unless somebody comes with a specific case on Testarossa, I don’t see any alternative to what I’m doing right now.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

This is false. D2 I might have been loud about it absolutely. But overall? No. Just re-read the damn game.

Stop trying to absolve yourself of responsibility.

[Andresvmb]

Okay Andres is VPB "nearly confirmed town" or about "50/50"? You can't have it both ways.

I didn’t say it was a 50/50. I said it’s “no better” than a 50/50. But thanks for the misrepresentation there.

No, you said "not much better than 50/50":

VPB is not much better than a 50/50

That means it's close to 50/50. Being "not much better than 50/50" is way different from being "nearly confirmed town"!

And you still haven't answered why you said we need to "get it right" between me and NPOM if you think both of us are scum.

Because the more you bring up that NPOM should be the TK and not you, the less confident I am that you are both the Team. Which is what’s fueling my paranoia about VPB. I get why you’re also discrediting Testarossa for example. But that’s still half of the pool outside of the PR slots + Ico.

[Andresvmb]

You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

This is false. D2 I might have been loud about it absolutely. But overall? No. Just re-read the damn game.

Stop trying to absolve yourself of responsibility.

How am I absolving myself of responsibility? I have acknowledged multiple times that my reads were bad, that I screwed up, and that I’m re-evaluating. You seem to be pushing the narrative that I was the main reason Bob was TK’ed and the main pusher. That’s just straight up wrong.

[Alduskkel]

Because the more you bring up that NPOM should be the TK and not you, the less confident I am that you are both the Team. Which is what’s fueling my paranoia about VPB. I get why you’re also discrediting Testarossa for example. But that’s still half of the pool outside of the PR slots + Ico.

Wow, you sure are letting supposed scum manipulate your opinions a lot.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You were the main pusher. You and VP maybe but he came in at the last minute. If anyone agrees with you on this I'd like them to speak up.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You were the main pusher. You and VP maybe but he came in at the last minute. If anyone agrees with you on this I'd like them to speak up.

[Andresvmb]

Because the more you bring up that NPOM should be the TK and not you, the less confident I am that you are both the Team. Which is what’s fueling my paranoia about VPB. I get why you’re also discrediting Testarossa for example. But that’s still half of the pool outside of the PR slots + Ico.

Wow, you sure are letting supposed scum manipulate your opinions a lot.

It’s an argument from game theory, not opinions. The game doesn’t end after today, regardless of where we execute. So there’s some WIFOM there to tossing NPOM under the bus if you will, but I have a nagging feeling that you would be a bit more defensive of NPOM now if you were aligned.

[Andresvmb]

You were the main pusher. You and VP maybe but he came in at the last minute. If anyone agrees with you on this I'd like them to speak up.

Re-read the damn game. That’s all I’m going to say to you. Because arguing that VPB came in last minute is laughably wrong.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry I just don't see town!Andres here. Town don't shift blame to their townbuddies when they are wrong.

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[Andresvmb]

You have such a bad idea of what Town do and don’t do, I don’t even know where to begin. I’m not shifting blame anywhere it’s not entirely relevant or deserved. What I’m trying to explain is that correctly interpreting the events that have happened is very important for how alignments are perceived. If all you’re going to argue is that Bob is primarily my fault, and therefore I’m Scum, then you’re either terrible at the game, or Scum.

[Andresvmb]

I’m also going to point out that you’re letting yourself be completely influenced by arguments made from the players that are still here and you don’t know their alignments, but ignoring the opinions of players that have already flipped. It’s just so annoying.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Attacking the attacker.

[DkKoba]

andres now that im here u are suddenly ignoring me big think react!

I’m not ignoring you. I didn’t see anything specifically targeted at me.

I don’t know what you all want me to do. Unless somebody comes with a specific case on Testarossa, I don’t see any alternative to what I’m doing right now.

did u just forget u accused me LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[DkKoba]

imma be real we should go back and reread d1. i have a headache and im Sad rn but from my experience in mafia, d1 tells All often

[Andresvmb]

And just for the record, here are the posts that demonstrate VPB’s consistent push of Snowblaze/Bob’s slot. Now please try to tell me how it is that he only came for Bob at the last minute.

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