Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

Hiraki · Post Post #461 (isolation #1) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:03 am

I can only hope that everyone is playing on Dark mode.

In post 33, Korina wrote:Hang on, dealing with some other things, but I'll reply to your joke when I can, but CL is likely gonna be the towniest player. CL doesn't wanna die in general because they're the most valuable person for cult. They could theoretically bus cultists, but why

Yikes

In post 35, JacksonVirgo wrote:In seriousness though, I don't like this post and I have no idea why

Honesty?

In post 46, Korina wrote:Also, cult probably always cults me because as town, I'm the biggest threat to cult. I'm the person who loves playing them the most, so I would be the person who's best equipt to figure out exactly who the cultists are, and who they're very likely to cult. As cult, I'm the biggest help to cult because that information I'd end up giving town if I was town? I no longer give. Why? Because I'm now trying to help cult.

My vote is probably on this slot.

In post 49, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 48, JacksonVirgo wrote:How would we possibly know that scummy person Y is a cultist over the cult leader.
If you say that the CL would not appear scummy, that's stupid. If scum could 100% reliably be townie then the cultists would do the same

Good.

In post 50, Korina wrote:Once again Jackson, you're blatantly missing the point. The Cult Leader will not play scummily. They will play extremely townie.

He's not missing the point. The point is that very good scum are usually hidden well in town too. Your point is that a good cult leader is going to act like town. Thanks?

In post 51, Korina wrote:Look at what I posted, and explain to me,
if you are CL, why the fuck aren't you trying to play as townie as possible, to avoid being lynched?

Yeah, I guess town should act scummy! Haha...?

In post 64, JacksonVirgo wrote:Trying to look townier does not mean they
will
look townier, how do you not understand what I am saying.

yeah but bro his logic makes sense, don't question man

Korina likes to post paragraphs that are just hard to read and do not produce any help at all to the game. The problem is that Korina thinks it's helpful.

In post 78, Battle Mage wrote:everything in Red is a terrible idea.

Shame he replaced out. Would be the first time me and BM ever agreed on something.

In post 93, JacksonVirgo wrote:Let's hammer Korina because we have to lynch top town and apparently they're top town so yeah genius plan.

The problem is that Korina is not top town at this point. The problem is that Korina is telling us to lynch town because they're being townie and actively being pro-cult at the same time. It's a clear anomaly.

In post 99, Logicalicaltist wrote:
In post 78, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 8, Korina wrote:
Ok, I'm gonna paraphrase my thoughts because I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for basically copy-pasting them, but... we should have UTs,
and only UTs
claim today. If we have UTs, we can treat them as basically a public masonry, and if any cult tries to also claim UT to get into it, that's fine too, because they're gonna have to act townie and go against two people who are actually town, so they should likely out themselves relatively quickly

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.

Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win
everything in Red is a terrible idea.
Terrible ideas are NAI.
It doesn’t make them scum.

Correct!

In post 112, Ythan wrote:And calling it rvs after I show up to four pages of nonsense spamis a littler disingenuous as well.

Agreed. Reeked of more PA than anything.

In post 127, Battle Mage wrote:HOWEVER, it feels much more like cultist than cult leader.

Agreed.

In post 131, iamausername wrote:liking Jackson for town, first of all, their willingness to wade through Korina's mountain of bullshit and actually try to ascertain alignment from it is good stuff, and secondly i think cult who thinks someone is softclaiming probably doesn't call attention to it in the way that they did.

Agreed.

In post 131, iamausername wrote:don't like Doctor Drew making a post to say "i'm totally not cult you guys" and nothing else.

Disagreed.

In post 131, iamausername wrote:Battle Mage jumping to full willingness to yeet Korina when fully 1/3 of the playerlist hadn't made a single post, on top of "Korina is probably cultist not CL, but actually he might be CL", in 127 is worse. the first half of that is entirely reasonable, the second half feels like hedging his bets in case town consensus is that we should aim for the leader.

Completely disagreed.

In post 158, Korina wrote:So how are you certain I'm a VT, and not something else?

This might be the worst question of the entire game, by far.

In post 164, Korina wrote:And before you say I got angry in thread in the cult game I played under alt, that was because the game was over, and I had lost.

Weird flex.

In post 176, Ythan wrote:Again this is literally just how mafia works. People go after who they think is likely to be scum.

Agreed. I don't really see why Jesus Christ keeps doing this. If there's a person that I'd shoot for CL right now, it's there.

In post 178, Logicalicaltist wrote:But then stop and ask yourself. Why did I ask Jesus that question and instead of becoming paranoid and confused all you have to do is sit down with Jesus and discuss about Korina’s Meta with them.

Not following this.

In post 183, JacksonVirgo wrote:This may be confirmation bias but the scummy people protecting Korina seems telling for something

Not necessarily.

In post 191, Ythan wrote:It's still a bad post because it's pointless spam from a perspective that doesn't understand how mafia is played. So, yeah.

I'd like to add on that there was a detraction of the original question (even reflection?) as if it didn't matter, which it seems after posting that it does not.

In post 207, Battle Mage wrote:But even if I didn't take what you said at face value, it's still hard to believe you would run such a self-destructive gambit if you were a PR yourself, given your familiarity with the setup.

To push this a little further, there's little to no reason for a doubting town to do anything Korina says without a claim. So it's either cult or VT or bad PR play.

In post 210, iamausername wrote:Korina and Battle Mage share a desperate desire to make this game all about Korina

i prefer to acknowledge that there are eight other players in the game, one of whom still hasn't made a single post

Okay??? Can they not have a discussion???

In post 217, clidd wrote:My impression is that the more formal way you are approaching reads is very cautious for the profile that I imagine you have, which also gives the *feeling* of a scum agenda.

Yuck.

In post 252, Ythan wrote:
In post 251, Logicalicaltist wrote:They seem to be a slot of attention and I SR them.
Eliminating them will help determine the position on Username/Ythan.
This is a shockingly bad and illogical post even after reading your posts all yesterday.

Perhaps this proves he isn't a cult (harr harr)

In post 307, Logicalicaltist wrote:@Jesus
What specifically do you want me to explain regarding my reads?

What a bad question.

In post 311, spicer1209 wrote:Korina is significant to me mostly because of the way he is acting (ie "fucking lynch me", trying to call the shots and speaking TO the town, all kinds of set up speculation) all seems consistent to me as the actions of someone who is overly excited and has a raging role boner. He gave off the vibe of "if you believe me or follow my lead then you don't deserve to have me in the game" which is something I can relate to because when I was younger I used to do that same shit when I had a power role. I personally don't see scum coming out of the gate with this level of a gambit. Of course you can get into the circular logic of "thats what they want you to think." however in my experience that is hardly ever pulled off, especially with someone who spams the board like he washed down a bag of meth with a Rockstar. For now I'm inclined to believe him

Interesting approach, I'm not behind it but I understand what you mean. I just think you're underestimating Korina's ability a little.

In post 311, spicer1209 wrote:He is always talking in circles it feels like but my gut tells me this is the act of a bad player more than a scummy player.

This could be true. Reminder to self to look into this. I don't like meta but it could help here.

In post 320, spicer1209 wrote:All the fuss just to get replaced lol wut

Remember! Korina replaced when he was cult last time because everything was going wrong!

In post 322, Logicalicaltist wrote:
In post 312, Ythan wrote:Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.
Activity has nothing to do with Alignment.

Not necessarily. Ahh, my man spicer barely beat me.

In post 330, Jesus Christ wrote:Well, anyway, Logilcalicaltist certainly isn't playing towny, as a cult leader would do, so we should hang someone else.

Agreed. Sorry to say that I am still pointing my finger at you.

In post 334, Ythan wrote:Disagree, there's definite incentive d1 for the two cult roles to behave differently. A cultist can be sacrificed but losing the leader d1 would be pretty rough.

@Spicer

Correct!

In post 362, innocentvillager wrote:I would look to username then Jesus next, username makes sense as a partner.

Switch the order and we have a deal!

In post 370, spicer1209 wrote:I am with username when it comes to getting more meaningful content out of the Doctor Drew slot. Doctor Drew came off as if he didnt give a shit about this game straight from the beginning. Which makes it feel to me as if he might as well have had said nothing at all.

Even being his replacee, I agree with this.

In post 460, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 459, Hiraki wrote:ego
id

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Vote: JesusChrist

Hiraki · Post Post #468 (isolation #2) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:47 pm

I'll admit that agreeing with BM is about the worst thing I could do from a metal perspective but I think JC fundamentally fits the time of CL better. I can go deeper into this if necessary.

Hiraki · Post Post #476 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:17 pm

In post 475, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 474, iamausername wrote:well that long ass Hiraki post doesn't make me any less inclined to believe that his slot is the cult leader that's for damn sure
Was there nothing in that post that warranted a direct response?

Would require him to read it first! And not get off the Jesus wagon for "4D chess"!

Hiraki · Post Post #488 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:24 am

In post 486, iamausername wrote:nothing that either of those players posted could possibly be described as a 'discussion'.

(In your opinion)

In post 486, iamausername wrote:so, as i said, Korina and Battle Mage shared a desperate desire to make the game all about Korina. i believe that this stemmed from narcissism and a scum role PM, respectively.

which is why you had voted...neither got it

In post 487, iamausername wrote:why would directly responding to your post require me to not get off the Jesus wagon

the two were not correlated

In post 487, iamausername wrote:do you think you have made such a convincing case against Jesus that it would reach back in time and retroactively stop me from townreading him

no but i am getting quite annoyed that there is no jesus wagon, and really no wagon at all with this much time left. it's fine, we can get the CL tomorrow

Unvote, Vote: Iamausername

Hiraki · Post Post #490 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:13 am

perfectly viable but never went over

Hiraki · Post Post #492 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:20 am

Means that BM is still alive?

Hiraki · Post Post #494 (isolation #7) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:59 am

In post 493, iamausername wrote:you're saying i'm scummy for unvoting BM and voting Jesus instead, but you're also saying that BM is town and Jesus is CL. are these two positions not entirely mutually exclusive?

I didn't say this? If you're referring to "perfectly viable", I was using your verbiage. Not my opinion. I've stated that BM is probably town here multiple times.

Hiraki · Post Post #496 (isolation #8) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 am

I didn't bring up BM, you did? I'm not following you at all right now.

Hiraki · Post Post #500 (isolation #9) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:08 am

In post 498, iamausername wrote:making this a VIABLE WAGON

Correct, we just went over that he is not dead.

In post 498, iamausername wrote:WHY WOULD I DO THIS. WHAT IS MY MOTIVATION.

This game has been going on since July 17th and you want me to give you a reason for why I think you've been vote hopping and haven't really made a solid argument anywhere? Really? You both have been in this game and have done basically nothing. If anything, I think the ideal cult lurks to victory here.

Hiraki · Post Post #506 (isolation #10) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:23 am

In post 502, Psyche wrote:uhh
ok i'll try to make time for some reads at least?

Not necessary. The day ends in less than 30 hours. Time to vote either Ari or iamusername.

Hiraki · Post Post #523 (isolation #11) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:11 am

I do not think this flips cult.

Unvote, Vote: Logical

Hiraki · Post Post #557 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:04 am

Vote: Jesus Christ

Hiraki · Post Post #562 (isolation #13) » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:20 am

In post 561, Jesus Christ wrote:except for the fact that Hiraki never voted for you!

In post 488, Hiraki wrote:Unvote, Vote: Iamausername

He's wrong but I like to correct the record anyway. I've already made my case about you two.

Hiraki · Post Post #563 (isolation #14) » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:22 am

In post 558, iamausername wrote:his vote is the one that fully shifted momentum from me to Logic as the Psyche alternative, and did so while expressing that he thought i was cult and Logic wasn’t. this just flatly makes no sense from a town perspective.

I'd rather have Psyche alive than Logical? Logical at least tried to play the game, Psyche hasn't yet? Psyche replaced BM who I've TR'd this game? I wanted to make sure an elimination went through yesterday?

Hiraki · Post Post #568 (isolation #15) » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:42 am

In post 567, iamausername wrote:
In post 563, Hiraki wrote:
In post 558, iamausername wrote:his vote is the one that fully shifted momentum from me to Logic as the Psyche alternative, and did so while expressing that he thought i was cult and Logic wasn’t. this just flatly makes no sense from a town perspective.
I'd rather have Psyche alive than Logical? Logical at least tried to play the game, Psyche hasn't yet? Psyche replaced BM who I've TR'd this game? I wanted to make sure an elimination went through yesterday?
love 2 give hypothetical town motivations for my actions instead of explaining my actual thought process

How on earth am I supposed to refute your thought process when it boils down to theory in the first place? Do you want me to quote where I've said these things? Would that help? What I'm saying is grounded in the game, what you are saying is grounded in speculation. Yes - I am going to go by what I've said to refute your speculation rather than just calling you wrong. It is a bad theory because it does not fit the narrative of the game.

Hiraki · Post Post #574 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:40 am

I got proded even though my post is 6 posts before this one. Where is everyone else? I don't think "I will post!" is a sufficient prod answer. Just being honest.

Hiraki · Post Post #577 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:32 am

You're one of the people I'm calling out lol - you have enough time to call me out after I already posted content today but not actually provide said content?

Hiraki · Post Post #579 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:37 am

And I guess your timer is back up! See you in 36 hours!

Hiraki · Post Post #581 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:42 am

I believe you're the one who tried to call me out first.

Hiraki · Post Post #585 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:00 am

must be nice to have so much time

Hiraki · Post Post #592 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:22 am

Why is it that the only person you want to hard defend is the person that tried to vote you out yesterday until just magically deciding that you might not be cult?

Hiraki · Post Post #598 (isolation #22) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:57 am

I agree. I can't do everything by myself in this game though.

Hiraki · Post Post #605 (isolation #23) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:24 am

Yeah, I was pretty clear on why I hopped on the wagon for logic but okay.

Why did you out with 3 votes?

Hiraki · Post Post #612 (isolation #24) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:49 am

In post 607, iamausername wrote:
In post 603, spicer1209 wrote: VOTE: Hiraki
do you think Hiraki is the cult leader? because his obvious desperation to save Psyche yesterday suggests otherwise to me.

"obvious desperation" lol

Hiraki · Post Post #614 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:14 am

Unvote: Jesus Christ

Hiraki · Post Post #616 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:10 am

I already said that I TR'd BM. I didn't like logical but I knew he would flip town.

Hiraki · Post Post #618 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:54 am

In post 617, iamausername wrote:when i had just as many votes as he did, and you apparently thought i was cult

really? you wanna play this game?

In post 484, midwaybear wrote:
In post 434, midwaybear wrote:
Vote count 1.08

It is Day 1!
With 9 votes, it takes 5 to hammer. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-08-05 23:16:30).

VC
Aristophanes(2): Battle Mage[77] and Ythan [102]
Psyche(2): innocentvillager [216] and spicer1209 [331]
iamausername (2): Logicalicaltist [410] and Aristophanes [430]
Jesus Christ(1): Hiraki [180]
Hiraki(1): iamusername [435]
Not Voting: Jesus Christ[473]

Dreams

mod notes

All slots filled!

Hiraki · Post Post #620 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:42 am

Ythan and Ari both said you were off the table. That's it - there's no more discussion there. Stop trying to make this "why didn't you vote me!!!" I've already answered that.

Hiraki · Post Post #621 (isolation #29) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:43 am

In post 619, iamausername wrote:why are you so sure that Psyche is town?

I'm also not answering the same questions over and over again.

Hiraki · Post Post #623 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am

In post 563, Hiraki wrote:
In post 558, iamausername wrote:his vote is the one that fully shifted momentum from me to Logic as the Psyche alternative, and did so while expressing that he thought i was cult and Logic wasn’t. this just flatly makes no sense from a town perspective.
I'd rather have Psyche alive than Logical? Logical at least tried to play the game, Psyche hasn't yet? Psyche replaced BM who I've TR'd this game? I wanted to make sure an elimination went through yesterday?

Hiraki · Post Post #624 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:40 am

Yeah, why don't I do that spicer? Am I really being unhelpful by saying stop asking the same questions?

Hiraki · Post Post #628 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pm

literally just read the game

Ari "being off the table" was a mistake but the fact that you have to argue that when you're trying to tell me that the iamausername lynch was feasible is just annoying now

Hiraki · Post Post #629 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 538, midwaybear wrote:
Vote count 1.10

It is Day 1!
With 9 votes, it takes 5 to hammer. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-08-05 23:16:30).

VC
Psyche(4): innocentvillager [216], spicer1209 [331], iamausername[501], and Logicalicaltist[535]
Logicalicaltist(4): Jesus Christ [507], Ythan [511], Hiraki [523], and Aristophanes [528]
Not Voting: Psyche[512]

Dreams

mod notes

If two wagons are tied at deadline, random.org will be used to decide the hang.

Hiraki · Post Post #633 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:29 pm

I would think we would have some extra time since we're waiting for a Psyche replacement too.

Hiraki · Post Post #634 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:31 pm

I think this is where I want to put some more consideration.

Vote: Ythan

Hiraki · Post Post #643 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:26 am

I think spicer flips town FYI. Need to catch a moment to elaborate my thoughts but thankfully, I have time.

Hiraki · Post Post #647 (isolation #37) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:41 am

In post 635, Aristophanes wrote:Oh?

I am interested in your process in getting here!

Let's play a game. Reread Ythan's ISO and tell me his reads without him saying a word about it.

Hiraki · Post Post #649 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:29 pm

I'm saying, like I've said before, that the optimal strategy for cult is to be able to manipulate their votes accordingly by not putting down any reads. By not laying many severe reads, it's easier to create a case on a person. Whether or not that case is good is another reason. Ythan has said that he's trying to get into the game time and time again but then comes back to do an OMGUS vote without saying...anything else....

Hiraki · Post Post #651 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:14 pm

well, i mean, you have every right to explain but until you do, i'll assume so because you haven't said otherwise

you're acting like i should read your mind to be something other than what you said because...?

Hiraki · Post Post #660 (isolation #40) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:54 am

I've got nothing to say because I've commented on everything already.

Hiraki · Post Post #664 (isolation #41) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:43 am

Why replace in if you thought the game was dead? I don't know what I can say if Ythan still hasn't done anything this game and is okay prod dodging.

Hiraki · Post Post #666 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:46 am

No, you haven't done anything before then either. There's a reason why there was a wagon on me. The only thing you did was have a vote on the outside (i.e. had nothing to do with the first two wagons yesterday) and then create a deciding vote because you were on the outside.

Hiraki · Post Post #667 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:47 am

In post 651, Hiraki wrote:well, i mean, you have every right to explain but until you do, i'll assume so because you haven't said otherwise

you're acting like i should read your mind to be something other than what you said because...?

I've given you every opportunity to actually explain yourself but then you just decided to prod dodge. So which one is it?

Hiraki · Post Post #669 (isolation #44) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:51 am

In post 580, Ythan wrote:Must be nice to have so much free time. Piss off I'll get to it when I get to it.

I'm fairly aware of that.

Hiraki · Post Post #683 (isolation #45) » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:06 pm

no no - he will bring the worst

Hiraki · Post Post #702 (isolation #46) » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:45 am

Hiraki · Post Post #761 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:14 pm

VT baby

Hiraki · Post Post #770 (isolation #48) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:51 pm

it's no biggie, let's get this fr tho

Vote: Jesus Christ

Hiraki · Post Post #772 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:58 pm

@me harder for finding the cult leader D1 and not acting on it hard enough

Hiraki · Post Post #778 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:28 pm

Unvote, Vote: aristophanes

correct, you live for today

Hiraki · Post Post #785 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:12 am

i have you as next if this isn't leader, don't worry titus

Hiraki · Post Post #787 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:14 am

i dont really need to consider your thoughts here, corect?

Hiraki · Post Post #789 (isolation #53) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:37 am

to be clear, titus above notes that there is little possibility that I am the CL but I am cultist with CL being username

good luck with that theory titus

Hiraki · Post Post #792 (isolation #54) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:50 am

In post 790, Titus wrote:Didn't the worst jail you night 2? Or do I have my notes wrong?

and?

Hiraki · Post Post #801 (isolation #55) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:53 pm

im pretty sure it's ari as CR, titus as cult here

Hiraki · Post Post #845 (isolation #56) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:58 pm

In post 813, Aristophanes wrote:Someone called them out on it and I think it was Hiraki but if they were a convert then that's easy for a CL to do knowing they can simply get another recruit later.

this scenario makes zero sense other than the fact that it's 'feasible'

my problem with the current ari theories is that if me and ari are not cult, why hasn't cult finished the game? because JC is CL? nope - doesn't make sense after the claim happening on D1. if JC is cult, it's not leader. i know i'm not cult because i'm not and also i was RB'd

In post 820, the worst wrote:CL is either you, titus or username. username read aligned with ythan anyway so until i do legwork he'd be my preferred kill but :shrug:

i envision a world where username has just been wrong rather than cult

In post 834, the worst wrote:actually if hiraki is the CL that would explain why you're alive
but i think hiarki is just town
or maybe i actually managed to protect hiraki!!! wig

heeellllpppp

nah my dude, you got it before i even typed it here

Hiraki · Post Post #851 (isolation #57) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:08 pm

but i still think you flip CL

Hiraki · Post Post #873 (isolation #58) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:12 am

Unvote

whoever is CL is weird, why cult JC?

Hiraki · Post Post #881 (isolation #59) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:42 am

In post 877, the worst wrote:or maybe Ari got the pm and he's trolling

this is why i almost submitted that post without an unvote

Hiraki · Post Post #889 (isolation #60) » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:29 pm

In post 770, Hiraki wrote:it's no biggie, let's get this fr tho

Vote: Jesus Christ

yeah because i'm just acting here and i actually planned everything up to this point so i could reference this post when someone brought up this possibility

????????????????????????????????

Hiraki · Post Post #910 (isolation #61) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:09 am

i regret it - i still think he is

Hiraki · Post Post #915 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:07 am

i dont think iamusername has done nothing?

Hiraki · Post Post #918 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:15 am

yeah, i think titus flips cult here but i dont think titus is CL. there's a lot more that points to ari, the most damning being that he wasn't hammered today. we have 8 alive, probably 3 cult, less one townie is a win. if ari isn't cult, there would've been a quickhammer (which is why i'm eyeing that iamusername vote cautiously) considering that cult do have day talk

i know i'm town, i'm pretty sure there's literally zero reason for JC to be cult here so either JC or ari is lying. i don't think people are taking that into affect when TRing ari

you have to think me and JC are cult in that situation and i also ran up against both of my cult buddies on D1 and D2 OR i was culted N3. there's literally no scenario where I decide to cult someone on D2 and then run up against them that hard

like i don't see how ari flips anything other than cult here and i'd like to think that ari is the person who would cult titus here

i'm not really thinking my logic too hard here only because it makes the most sense to me so feel free to dispute it somewhere

Hiraki · Post Post #919 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:15 am

actually sorry - *N2 and that scenario doesn't even work unless theworst is lying

Hiraki · Post Post #920 (isolation #65) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:17 am

the only case that i can't really provide is why is ari CL rather than anyone else. i'm gonna have to think about why i'm so sure of it past "everyone thinks that he is town for some reason even though most of what he has said in D3 just plainly doesn't make sense"

Hiraki · Post Post #925 (isolation #66) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:52 am

In post 921, innocentvillager wrote:but I also see how from town!you's perspective Ari is kind of mechanically confirmed to be CL, or somehow the cult failed last night and there are only 2 cult (which would mean cult tried to cult you N2 because TW jailed you)

where are you getting the last part? my scenario just clears me - i don't get how you fundamentally can disagree with that

i started the ythan wagon in a dead game, there is 0 reason to do that as cult. i'd rather just let time run out. then, unless theworst is lying, i cannot be culted because i was JK'd.

In post 923, innocentvillager wrote:idk, I still feel like Ari didn't get hammered because you're cult, not because Ari is CL is where im at

you are then saying that you think i, as cult, decided to wagon ythan, a fellow cult buddy, in a dead game so i can make this argument today. rather than hopefully winning some other way with a D3 win. it doesn't make sense what you're putting down here. i am 1000000000% clear here my guy

In post 924, innocentvillager wrote:anyway I'm back to the I want worsty to decide angle? Hiraki remember in Crossfire where we let Casey decide the dunks? I might be biased because it worked LOL and we all just supported Casey from the side with our own analyses and she picked the dunks, but there's the whole scum influence thing again given that we might be in ELO mode

Yeah it's not really the same thing because we have a bit more time and we don't have to dunk like 4 people (just 1), and our situation is much less dire because if we do hit CL today there's a significant chance of win, but I do think having an obvtown clear like Casey (worsty) lead the elim is going to be the highest EV play here

my reads are on point this game tho

Hiraki · Post Post #933 (isolation #67) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:25 am

In post 926, innocentvillager wrote:a) im saying if you're town and CL tried to cult you N2, this failed because worsty jailed you, so in that sense Ari doesn't HAVE to be CL for town!you. I don't get what you mean about the time run out thing because someone will get elim'd at random, this isn't crossfire?

i didn't mean "run out" in the sense that there is a time limit but mostly that there is a deadline

again, you're correct on the ari doesn't have to be CL but ari makes the most sense as CL which is clearly something i need to be more convincing about atm

In post 926, innocentvillager wrote:b) I haven't thought too much about the incentives of the cult team here but I don't think it's bad to bus non-leader because you can just recruit someone else the next day?

no - you're missing my point. it's not that, it's the why. do i do everything i did in D2 just so that i can have a better name in D3? not at all. there is a much easier case to make on other people than ythan

In post 926, innocentvillager wrote:c) lol, but the problem is if Ari's town you're not and I think Ari's town because Korina was and Ari has been pretty gut earnest/straightforward

don't @ me in post

In post 928, innocentvillager wrote:but I feel kind of meh when it's a) coming from you and I can see in some world where you do this

you think too little of me then to think just one move ahead

In post 932, the worst wrote:
In post 925, Hiraki wrote:where are you getting the last part? my scenario just clears me - i don't get how you fundamentally can disagree with that

i started the ythan wagon in a dead game, there is 0 reason to do that as cult. i'd rather just let time run out. then, unless theworst is lying, i cannot be culted because i was JK'd.
heavily agree with this; probably goes without saying it is why I chose you as a NA target.

then give into ari and this game will be OVER

Hiraki · Post Post #983 (isolation #68) » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:20 pm

In post 959, the worst wrote:UNVOTE: hiraki why aren't you still voting ari

someone told me to unvote so i said w/e

looking at the time left, i am putting it back on

i have trouble reconciling username to scum after D1 and D2. i don't think he acts that way as cult leader, could also be why i wasn't culted though N1 though. i also want to investigate something just so i can be doubly right. ari has both ties to username and titus as CL which makes me think it was intentional. the other side is username doesn't and titus hasn't done anything in a game that is at D3 while being known as the VCA person.

the reason i feel that it's also not username is that i have more faith in cult-titus to recognize a good vote placement on a cult lynch (was 2 on ythan) while i don't see that from the other two. ari also went after iamusername D1 harder than titus' slot so i just don't see that being the slot that rolled it.

Unvote, Vote: Ari

Hiraki · Post Post #995 (isolation #69) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:59 am

In post 993, Aristophanes wrote:They tested the waters with a vote on me and then went V/LA.

You think he planned to go V/LA just so he would not be suspicious? That's kind of dirty, don't you think?

Hiraki · Post Post #997 (isolation #70) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:21 am

Right - I read that. Just seems like you're grabbing at straws by pulling that one out and actually posting it. If anything, that makes me feel a little better in my reads.

Hiraki · Post Post #1001 (isolation #71) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:53 am

In post 999, Aristophanes wrote:JC is 100% confirmed town and Hiraki is 100% confirmed not CL and knowing this I cannot look at the game any other way really. I'm trying to be as open and objective as I can but it's not easy when you have a slam dunk and nobody else can see it.

how is JC town when you already said that you're denying getting his message?

Hiraki · Post Post #1071 (isolation #72) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:53 pm

so hold on - what happened between JC and Ari then? that was a key factor for my vote tbh

Hiraki · Post Post #1072 (isolation #73) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 1065, the worst wrote:i then jailed jesus protectively n2 to enter 4:3 with someone who was absolutely confirmed to be town to me. i was planning to watch the way the JC/target claim played out and then look for people responding to it all confused and find the scums that way, but uh

shit that was good

then you said that you JK'd me effectively creating a lie that no one could refute unless we started to suspect you as cult

i don't think there's any way i would've figured this one out. might be my bad looks with prs though