Micro 966 - DDD: DD? [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.07

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-09-21 12:45:00).

execution

WindowsXP [2]:

Dongempire, Alisae

Ydrasse [1]:

WindowsXP

Piergeiron the Paladinson [1]:

Flopz

Not Voting [3]:

Ydrasse, Piergeiron the Paladinson, Grumpy Cat

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[WindowsXP]

paladin's silence is deafening.

[Donempire]

i’m actually upset by this if you’re town so i’m going to bed. bye

fake tbh

Wow

Honestly i shouldnt be surprised given your play so far but... Wow

This reaction feels kind of overblown honestly. Scum AtE in mafia and sometimes it's fake. What's so crazy about Wandows calling out Ydrasse's post as fake?

The rest of page 28/29 so far actually has me feeling better on both XP and Ydrasse lol. I was so confident on Wandows being scum just like a few irl days ago, so I don't know if I'm stupid.

Cause its low. The guy says shes going to sleep and windows' doubting even that. They also did this with me. Theres nothing AI about that.

[Donempire]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

They are obvscum though. And they also never got the opportunity to self hammer. Closest they got was L-2

See, right now what they're doing is a desperation move. They're taking the entire focus on themselves so their partner can either lurk/take refuge in the wagon without drawing attention. I'll expand on this later since i want to reply to another one of your posts.

[WindowsXP]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

They are obvscum though. And they also never got the opportunity to self hammer. Closest they got was L-2

See, right now what they're doing is a desperation move. They're taking the entire focus on themselves so their partner can either lurk/take refuge in the wagon without drawing attention. I'll expand on this later since i want to reply to another one of your posts.

Can you prove my actions are scum motivated?

[WindowsXP]

Dong's weak case->my rebuttal from earlier(with fixed spoiler tags)

Spoiler:

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

Paladin gives town vibes

you should start explaining what exactly you townread about paladin

I never said I townread them. But the evidence does point towards them having a town mindset in the way they are approaching this game and attempting to solve. I currently have a semi-confident scumread between GC/Hop and I do not see either of them as likely partners with Paladin so there is also more reason for me to believe Paladin being scum there.
I do hope you end up responding to my other analysis rather than pick and choose things you are saying you strongly disagree with, since you seem to be disagreeing a lot with me right now.

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

If you think you can leash me to only talk about 2 slots, you are sadly mistaken

i've done my catchup, and i've commented on everything i wanted to comment on

I am sorry to hear that VOTE: Ico
I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

I asked you to explain yourself Ico and added a vote to get you to do so, and your reaction is to OMGUS?
Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.
And having skimmed your recent games I am leaning towards the latter.
It looks to me you are acting in a way to make something stick instead of analyzing already existing content. i.e. you give some reply to a few posts and then end up trying to shade a random slot like its still RVS.

Also as a side note, please do not use gross ableist language. I am uncomfortable with it and its grossly inappropriate to use in game.I will not be asking you directly again.

So alisae asked me to expand on my windows scumread.

I dont see anything conclusively scum motivated in this batch of posts. What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good. On top of that, his third post here says that ico never responded to him, and that it is only scum indicative. However, he did. Literally the post before that.

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking

the pressure that

Paladin

is putting on Hopkirk

, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST

or because of their push on Hop

?

there

Its lazy, but thats ico for you. And its quite clearly a response, and saying otherwise is just misrepresenting.

After that, its reasonable to vote him back since hes saying ico didnt respond when he just did, and the only response ico gets after that is "omgus xd". I dont see how you as ico dont get pissed at this, on top of that weird disclaimer at the bottom which ico didnt do. I even thought he was memeing there

There is enough plausible deniability that if you're going to try to use the lolhammer as an argument you are going to get no real conclusions.

Also your claim about what you'd do with Alisae as scum while simultaneously not really sorting em is odd to me Dong. How do you read the rest of eir D1 minus the lolhammer? Was it towny or scummy? Let's say that, theoretically, Ico was not at L-1 on D1 when alisae voted, and the game continued. Was their move there scum?

Let's answer some real questions about motives and analysis.

Where did I ever reach a final conclusion? I was offering a case against Ico and I was letting them refute it. Let's talk about that. Do you think my push was scum motivated? Why? What was suspicious about my posts?
Tell me what exactly struck you as scummy.

Also, important, do you think Ydrasse's d1 is town to you? They voted Ico too and did not declare L-1, and are a passive voice this game. I'm wondering what you may think about that slot.

I dont remember a lot of alisae except es push on ico, which i actually liked. I thought posts like 275 and 280 were inquisitive without being overly aggressive. It ended too early for me to make any heavy statements, but i dont have a problem with alis d1 except for you know what.

Yes. Even if not scum motivated, it was done in bad faith. Posts like 206 prove that. I explained my reasoning already. Post 214 clearly reaches a final conclusion as well since you say theres nothing but scum motivation there.
I would also like to note im just repeating myself here. I already said everything i said here in 528
I think my votes on ali so VOTE: Windows



I think ydrasses d1 is awful. There is nothing for me to sort, its not_mafia levels of bad. I want to chalk it up to rvs, but so far i havent seen anything from her, and lurking seems like the winning strategy here for scum, so i do want to at least iso her once today. Do hold me up to it, i might forget

Case me dong. What's the proof. I offered proof of alisae + ydrasse. Now do me. Refute me.
Me being "soft" on ydrasse i have reasonably explained.

I literally caught aliisae in multiple self contradictions wrt their reads. I pointed out ydrasse oddly being defensive of alisae early on. Go take literally 5 minutes and read what i said in the past 2 pages. Why am I wrong. Why are you right.

You have to be very terrible at thia game to refuse to consider i could be town and use evidence in front of you.

You're tiring me. This isnt my job dude, i dont want to babysit you while you throw tantrumd and say i didnt make a case on you. I literally did, go read. You're so used to lying out your ass i stopped pointing them out long ago.

Oh wait, you dont understand if i dont scream it.

I MADE A CASE ON YOU. 528 AND 545. READ AND STOP LYING. I CANT BE ARSED TO POINT OUT ALL OF THEM.

also went back to this. I literally already explained I overexaggerated my scumread on ico to get him to do what I want and put out reads and to see if he is town or scum from there. Your whole case is based on a D1 push that was cut short. You're trying to pretend like I was intending to get him eliminated at that point. when I wanted to get them to actually refute my points and go from there:

Context why I voted Ico D1

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

If you think you can leash me to only talk about 2 slots, you are sadly mistaken

i've done my catchup, and i've commented on everything i wanted to comment on

I am sorry to hear that VOTE: Ico
I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

I am sorry to hear that VOTE: IcoI see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

there is so much wrong with this i don't even know where to start but

-why would you be 'sorry to hear' something you think comes from scum? This is very LAMIST, and pingy.
-i'm not dodging anything, i've directly confronted you with my answer

-I REALLY wanna know exactxly what scum motivation you see

How is it LAMIST/pingy?

You dodged by refusing to answer and this is on top of you straight up cherrypicking what you respond to and responding to things that I find strange to have responded to. Like a scum player who is looking to create a case on town player perhaps.

The scum motivation lies in your shade on paladin and subsequent refusal to make a concise statement about GC/Kirk on top of your sudden spam.

[WindowsXP]

if it's the self vote:

I literally softed I wanted to go through with such a strategy early on on D2. that wasn't AtE to get people to not vote me. It's me genuinely wanting to put both scum on D3 to make the game easier.

If it's my push on Ico on d1:
please git gud. please. like literally you have to be terribad to scumread a push that was clearly meant to be informational with how it was framed. As explained in my post before.

if its based on me scumreading you:
similar to point above.

[Donempire]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

They are obvscum though. And they also never got the opportunity to self hammer. Closest they got was L-2

See, right now what they're doing is a desperation move. They're taking the entire focus on themselves so their partner can either lurk/take refuge in the wagon without drawing attention. I'll expand on this later since i want to reply to another one of your posts.

Can you prove my actions are scum motivated?

if it's the self vote:

I literally softed I wanted to go through with such a strategy early on on D2. that wasn't AtE to get people to not vote me. It's me genuinely wanting to put both scum on D3 to make the game easier.

If it's my push on Ico on d1:
please git gud. please. like literally you have to be terribad to scumread a push that was clearly meant to be informational with how it was framed. As explained in my post before.

if its based on me scumreading you:
similar to point above.

I literally didnt even make point 3. You serious?
And AtE all you want, your ico push was bad. I already showed you in my case why you went there in bad faith. You intended to either cast doubt or mislynch the slot.

And you're not getting why your self vote sucks. Its not that your tactic sucks, its that you are ate'ing again and you even admitted it yourself as you trying to get towncred.

[WindowsXP]

Can you quote where I admitted the self vote was for towncred?

Because I am very sure I never said that and I strictly want that because mechanics + slot info.

i refuted your terribad argument wrt ico. you got anything else that refutes anything I've done today that very much backs up my claim about why i pushed ico? literally no one believes ur dogshit case and you're being annoying like a horsefly that wont leave you alone when you're just constantly babbling about how I'm obv scum for trying to gamesolve.

I'm not going to be nice engaging with you until you decide to engage in good faith and you can clearly see that in my exchange with alisae + other players where I give them questions/theories and ask them to respond/rebut. Because you know what? As town I had Alisae rebut a major part of the reason i scumread em. So I have since lightened up and am pending recasing that slot based on the evidence they've corrected.

The longer you fight engaging me in good faith the harder your town equity tanks. There's only a certain point where you can keep making the same shitpush argument after the slot you're pushing has created a vast amount of new content to analyze and you just keep latching onto the original terrible argument.

You can't prove that my intentions of pushing on Ico was to get them MLd for the sake of being MLd. Because the evidence and context around my vote and push literally points against that theory. Just give it up already dude it's honestly sad to see how badly you're floundering trying to make this case stick so badly.

[WindowsXP]

You can literally see that the primary reason I was going after Ico was to make them make a stance about the 2 slots I asked about. Effective scumhunting is forcing people to make stances so they can't craft up plausible deniability down the road and it helps scum get caught in a tight situation which was what led me to scumread alisae after their post about ydrasse slot/me.

[WindowsXP]

And re:AtE, where I learned to play mafia, AtE is common. AtE is an effective tool for either alignment. It's what I know what to do, and its what I tend to fall back on when I am frustrated and want to make people realize I'm town. I'm not sure where you're getting that its evidence that I'm scum unless your goal is to just use whatever shade possible to make a desperate case against me.

And I reiterate, the self vote was 100% mechanically serious. If you check any game I play I like to make plays that are mechanically clever. I do setup spec. I think of any way that I can gain an advantage and get more info/raise EV.

I'm a bit tired of constantly repeating the same points over and over.

[WindowsXP]

Oh hold up, the fake hammer slip was for towncred. the self vote was serious. I think I should clarify that. Those are 2 separate actions to me. Yes my intent with pretending to self hammer were to get reactions and to farm a townread. I fully admit that.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

paladin's silence is deafening.

It should not be; I have been incredibly busy for reasons I cannot share for anonymity's sake. This game is unfortunately quite low on my list of priorities both on- and off-site.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

Sigh sigh sigh ßiiiiigh

Do I really have to read through this stuff...it looks kinda toxic. I ISOed Ydrasse and she feels like town, and I think the emotion in response to being pushed by Koba was legit.
I

probably

will catch up on the rest in a bit, but I won't feel good about it. Also, I think Paladin is really scummy from looking through his ISO on what he's choosing to comment and the way he's posting.

Actually, changing my mind on the Ydrasse read. She can be genuinely frustrated as scum as well; all that reaction means is that she's probably not aligned with Koba.

Flopz HELP, give me some lighthearted vibes to encourage me to read through.

You have mentioned me in passing on several occasions despite my absence. Answer honestly: are you trying to apply pressure to force content and gauge my reaction, or do you mean what you say? I have a feeling you are truly trying to determine my alignment since you are one of few players continually attempting to engage with me.

My apologies, I am still somewhat frustrated that I did not have the chance to play the first Day, and have hardly given this game a thought. Tonight I should set aside some time to read and immerse.

I don't like this post because if he's frustrated he didn't get to play the first day, why doesn't he have more motivation to post his thoughts on stuff he didn't get to on D2 instead?

Any in-progress thoughts I may have had less than 12 hours into the game are surely not relevant now?

I meant what kind of answer were you expecting. What are you hoping to accomplish?

If Ali thought e was placing the 4th vote onto him, it's unusual e doesn't announce L-1. Increased chance the story is BS and it was just a lolhammer e's masking as an accident now

Is this assumption based on your meta of Alisae, or on what you consider optimal town play?

It'd be scummy for different reasons if Ali was aware that it was L-1 and didn't announce it. I don't know what Ali does normally though.

Why have you questioned me on this repeatedly? It's one of the few lines of questioning you've pursued this game and I'm struggling to see how you hoped to solve my alignment from it.

It feels like there's far more useful things to look at or ask about from myself or others, yet you hone in on this. It feels off.

I don't think I have pushed this question too much although I do see from my ISO how that could be your interpretation. 675 came after I had just re-read and had opened 371 in a separate tab. I do agree that my focus this game has left something to be desired.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

i’m actually upset by this if you’re town so i’m going to bed. bye

fake tbh

Wow

Honestly i shouldnt be surprised given your play so far but... Wow

This reaction feels kind of overblown honestly. Scum AtE in mafia and sometimes it's fake. What's so crazy about Wandows calling out Ydrasse's post as fake?

The rest of page 28/29 so far actually has me feeling better on both XP and Ydrasse lol. I was so confident on Wandows being scum just like a few irl days ago, so I don't know if I'm stupid.

I agree about Dongempire's reaction.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

If anyone would still find my full reads useful I might oblige, although I would rather not were the town more willing to engage with me directly.

[WindowsXP]

Can you at least out a reads list with backing evidence for each slot wrt what actions /statements/interactions make you read them that way.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

I will have to go easy on the evidence for the time being as I am off to bed shortly.

Dongempire's pushes are inconsistent and has taken an odd tone in certain posts.

Ydrasse's early contributions seemed to me like appearances and no more. I need to read this slot fully to compare more recent posts but nothing has struck me as overtly town-sided.

Alisae has presented the clearest intent to solve of any other player thus far. I stand by my belief that the first day hammer was accidental, but I'm not sure scum would have reacted to such a mistake as Alisae did.

Grumpy Cat seems to be expecting more from me. I am not entirely sure whether I prefer the idea that they are town solving or that they are trying to arrange my miselimination/pocketing depending on my response to their pushing.

I cannot find any thoughts on Flopz at the moment, sorry. And you seem obviously town to me.

[Piergeiron the Paladinson]

There aren't any particular pairings I have given any consideration.

[Donempire]

[quote="In post 867, Piergeiron the Paladinson"]I will have to go easy on the evidence for the time being as I am off to bed shortly.

Dongempire's pushes are inconsistent and has taken an odd tone in certain posts.
/quote]
What exactly is inconsistent? If you realized, windows just recently used the case i made at the start or the day. If thats relevant, i would argue i've been consistent. You gonna fluke again?

[Donempire]

I will have to go easy on the evidence for the time being as I am off to bed shortly.

Dongempire's pushes are inconsistent and has taken an odd tone in certain posts.

What exactly is inconsistent? If you realized, windows just recently used the case i made at the start or the day. If thats relevant, i would argue i've been consistent. You gonna fluke again?

[Grumpy Cat]

You have mentioned me in passing on several occasions despite my absence. Answer honestly: are you trying to apply pressure to force content and gauge my reaction, or do you mean what you say? I have a feeling you are truly trying to determine my alignment since you are one of few players continually attempting to engage with me.

Why is there an "or" in this question? Yes to both.

[Grumpy Cat]

VOTE: Ydrasse I'm parking here.

You really shouldn't be. I'm not 100% confident on it, but Ydrasse is more likely town than not for the way she came to your defense and then proceeded to argue and get upset at you. Scum!Ydrasse doesn't stick her neck out for you in the first place.

[Grumpy Cat]

You should replace Ydrasse if you're thinking about it and checking the game. She's probably town and you probably prefer town like most of the 7oomers on the site.

[Grumpy Cat]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I want to flip Paladin today. I think Wandow's WIM is town-indicative, especially since as scum they probably just want to self-hammer when given the opportunity given all the vocal players are scumreading them. This feels like a lot of effort for little reward if they're scum. Yes, there's the "storing Wandows-scum to lunch tomorrow" thing, but I never really think that was going to take off. Wandows-scum can just do the minimum effort to ensure they're not SO obvscum, that they're not stored for tomorrow, but lunched today instead, but they're going above and beyond. Maybe they're some kind of freak and scum!Windows is actually efforting in the hopes they can completely turn the opinion on their slot around, and not be lunched today OR tomorrow, but there's like no indication that was going to happen, even after pages and pages of effort, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm thinking Windows is town3r">R????"$$£

Flopz, what do you think of my reasoning for Wandows-town here? Ignore the As, Miso got on my keyboard.