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sup bitches
una i think we played a game like two years ago
since you're so fucking special and you're in my signature happy birthday
VOTE: unabombah

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ok, i guess it was a flashwagon. the main thing i remembered from that was getting accidentally hammered. ha

fuck your gif picture that cat's toxic
VOTE: tris

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ok, i guess it was a flashwagon. the main thing i remembered from that was getting accidentally hammered. ha

fuck your gif picture that cat's toxic
VOTE: tris

rude, the cat is perfect

VOTE: tris

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mizzy can be my first townlean

tris can be my first lock town
VOTE: tris

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VOTE: tris

choo choo

yeah i'm down for this
VOTE: tris

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mizzy can be my first townlean

tris can be my first lock town
VOTE: tris

do you mean lock scum? otherwise i'm confused

i know what i said

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yall are tryin too hard too early zzzzzzzzz

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alc vote tris with us

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VOTE: echovision
Serious vote of my own.

that's kinda rude
VOTE: tris

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Ok, NOW I feel like tris should be voted. ^^

VOTE: tris

yeah me too
VOTE: tris

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page top woo

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Ok, NOW I feel like tris should be voted. ^^

VOTE: tris

yeah me too
VOTE: tris

is there a reason you've posted the same vote 4 times???? It's not like the mod is missing it

it's fun

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alc vote tris with us

Nah, don’t think I will.

Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?

I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.

VOTE: tris
make that five

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zzz i don't feel like playing mafia today but i see i'm almost due a prod so:

- my vote on tris wasn't serious at first and i am brushing off the whole joke/non-joke thing as weird NAI banter, but i actively dislike 99, the "oh you're scum and you know they're town" just feels like a very shady and frankly dumb argument
- testa is reminding me of them the last game we played together so +town
- i am somewhat amused how multiple people reacted to my 51 the same way
- i like sircakez for 102
- echovision is starting to get on my nerves but i don't think it's AI (yet)
- where the fuck is ico

good mission accomplished

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I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.

What does it mean to you that he is always voting tris again?

I think it’s his schtick.

is that a euphemism

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it looks like echo did this in his last game as well

don't meta dive me
if i wasn't already voting you i'd vote you just for that

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but here I just felt like making a joke about it.

11 sorta makes me think this wasn't a joke.

but also

VOTE: echovision
Serious vote of my own.

you aren't using your words so either you are scum that's pretending like they are doing things by throwing down a forceful naked vote or you are massively unhelpful town.

I was joking about it because I wanted to move past it
And like, I was trying to pressure EV to not be rando but that didn't work it seems
still feel like voting there since I don't really know why EV is doing what he's doing and it's not a thing that I can see waved away by a "weird =/= scum" line

if i start out by playing like a dip shit then i don't have to explain myself to people which is significantly less work for me and it's so fantastic
i can just read the thread and have some fun by extending my self-rvs until i find something to bite on

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hi ico you're town
i'ma just follow you for now actually thanks
VOTE: alchemist

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hi echo

nice to meet you

why do you think i'm town?

don't worry about it
una is town too

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Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives

you could
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1

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zzzzz still waiting for something to bite on
someone do something scummy thanks

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echo you could answer the question i asked you about your reads

i could if i had a reason
idk if there's three or four scum with this player count so let's go for 3, that's 3/12 scum
that's 9/12 town
there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

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there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

actually this is even worse math because odds aren't the same for two people because odds multiply but asjdks math

yes i know i'm a math ed major don't worry
i'm just chillin like a villain rn

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echo you could answer the question i asked you about your reads

i could if i had a reason
idk if there's three or four scum with this player count so let's go for 3, that's 3/12 scum
that's 9/12 town
there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

Seeing as the game is 12 people, I think it’s extremely unlikely we have 4 scum
I’m kinda leaning this as a townslip, does anyone know if zany speculation like this is common from EV?
UNVOTE:

the only games i've played in the past like two years have been newbies so i'm used to 9 total but yeah 3 makes sense actually i thought this was more than 12 players if i'm being completely honest

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Scum would know the amount of scum right? I only really expect that to come from scum!EV if he posts a lot of things like that, which is why I asked

idk if that's really a town slip cause i could very easily just be playing dumb

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this kinda angsty angry post is sorta what I associate with newb town and remember of you. Hey I said it was silly.

on site for almost a year and a half, getting called newbtown... have we played together before?

i don't like how you have so much feeling in your posts but i guess it tags a little more as town than scum

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Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives

you could
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1

So you're just... fine with being misyeeted, if town?

if the town collectively finds that to be the best course of action sure why not
vote analysis is a thing too

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Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

that's actually precisely what i'm doing
props to you dog

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it looks like echo did this in his last game as well

don't meta dive me
if i wasn't already voting you i'd vote you just for that

Do you seriously have a problem with people trying to get meta on you?

Unrelated but I see Ico’s posting now so I’ll unvote.

UNVOTE:

yes i hate meta diving it's stupid and dumb
there's no reason that i can't act different in two very different games smh
hate that shit

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if i start out by playing like a dip shit then i don't have to explain myself to people which is significantly less work for me a

How often does that actually work out for you instead of you just getting voted out.

usually works out pretty well thanks for asking
don't remember the last time i got voted out

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VOTE: testarossa

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daitsi’s posts have a lot of emotion in them, whether it be anger, frustration, or whatever it may be
emotional posts are more of a town tell imo
i don’t like it, because i don’t think you should show as much emotion that datisis been showing in a game, but he has been and i think the emotion vies more for town!datisi than scum

also y’all seem like you universally scum read me and the fact that there’s not a wagon on me yet kind of concerns me
i’m about to get in the shower so i’m on mobile but i do want to go back and examine the people who tried to call me out but haven’t voted me
seems a little cautious in my eyes

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Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives

you could
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1

So you're just... fine with being misyeeted, if town?

if the town collectively finds that to be the best course of action sure why not
vote analysis is a thing too

But from your perspective, that's what scum want, and you ideally shouldn't want to die.

VOTE: testarossa

Why? You don't seem to have said anything about or to her prior to this point.

also y’all seem like you universally scum read me and the fact that there’s not a wagon on me yet kind of concerns me
i’m about to get in the shower so i’m on mobile but i do want to go back and examine the people who tried to call me out but haven’t voted me
seems a little cautious in my eyes

Really? There are three votes on you though, how does that not count?

yes i understand that

why not, inactive-ish slot that hasn't contributed much so i can hang out there
there's not a no-loitering sign there so i can hang out there if i want to smh

there was five on tris not a long time ago
why isn't there five on me

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Echovision

Consider me unimpressed.

oh no how horrible

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this kinda angsty angry post is sorta what I associate with newb town and remember of you. Hey I said it was silly.

on site for almost a year and a half, getting called newbtown... have we played together before?

i don't like how you have so much feeling in your posts but i guess it tags a little more as town than scum

i read your further explaination but like what lol
if you think *those* posts are emotionally charged idk what to tell you

where did you get a feeling of frustration or anger from me so far?

echoing (haha) why is testa scummy to you etc

zzz i'll think harder about this game in the morning

oh also i have a tinfoil crackpot theory about someone here i'll share it later remind me

you got upset cause someone called you newbtown and had a passive aggressive, emotionally charged remark
a lot of your posts are passive aggressive remarks about something which is fine cause i'm a passive aggressive asshole so i understand, just might be something worth noting

you're doing a lot of questioning too but you're not really contributing anything of your own, hence difficulty reading your slot

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I’ll contribute in a bit, just need something else to get dealt with

mood i said i was gonna do something yesterday morning then i had my brother in laws 30th bday party and got drunk instead of coming here so good morning

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datisi do you

actually

think i'm scum, or do you just think i'm a good d1 kill

i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

which is fine, lynch how you please ladies and gents

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re tris 163:


i don't wann vote tris anymore and this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

VOTE: echovision hi can you explain your ico/una townreads please

this

is where you voted me in the first place, which doesn't seem like it was because you scum read me (at the time)
you were just jumpin around and happened to find something that you liked, because i didn't answer your question the way you wanted me to

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you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise

oh and then you thought i was scum because of my fantastic statistics

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you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip

but i could be persuaded otherwise

oh and then you thought i was scum because of my fantastic statistics

mind you, they were statistics that you said the bolded but go off

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I was busy writing up a reply but since cake already pointed out gamma's bullshit I'm just going to be lazy and VOTE: gamma

nero why aren't you voting me? do you just like gamma for scum better?
you've seemed to have a lot to say about me not being town, but your vote went somewhere else

voting me imo would've been the perfect scenario for scum!nero, he's been on me since 86 and now i've got like four votes on me, with him it would've been five and if i was hung he would've been the founder of a wagon that he could've blamed on RVS since he started it so early in the game
he unvoted in 325, well after the wagon was starting to get established

i'm goin for nero town this game

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i don't like alchemist for town

he doesn't seem to be adding much to the conversation, a lot of what he's saying has been parroted information and from someone who's been around since 2014 i feel like you should have more to say about what's going on than basic-unrelated questions and posts to make you seem active like 308 and 309

he did say he started a new job so it could be accounted to that but still, if you have time to read the thread i feel like you have time to submit some reactions and something helpful that hasn't already been said

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i'm going to get breakfast then watch football all day, idk how much i'll be in
ciao

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btw those two slots that i looked at were random, i clicked to look at iso's and thought "yeah sure let's look at alchemist i feel like he's been iffy"
the nero iso was because i was reading old posts about me cause yall love talking about me, and i saw nero and was like huh interesting let's get this bread

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i'm going to get breakfast then watch football all day,

y r there so many ppl on this site that watch football but don't play fantasy football?

i’m in two leagues what the heck are you talkin about smh

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datisi do you

actually

think i'm scum, or do you just think i'm a good d1 kill

i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

which is fine, lynch how you please ladies and gents

What kind of hand wavey crap is this?
"People don't like my scummy and unhelpful playstyle and thus want to elim me"
Like no shit

no comment on anything else I had to say? don't want to contribute anything else to the conversation, just

echo

what I said? (incorrectly)

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you but EV is apparently a 2016 join date too. Yeah you're both pretty scummy.

Or at least acting weird, yea.
But so far surface-level, kneejerk reaction, first impression gutreads seem to be the thing anyway, so..

this gives me town pings

told yall he was town

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echovision why are you voting testa i wanna know

i do actually want to know this though

absolutely no reason i just felt like it

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I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

wow this is your first unique statement all game good shit brother man

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cakez if

i

had something unique and interesting to say i'm sure you can come up with something
until then i'ma vibe
VOTE: sircakez

incoming: cakez saying, "omg i've been pushing you so hard all game and now you're voting me that's so scummy of you omg gfy"

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Yeah that’s exactly what SirCakez has been sounding like: an echo

glad i'm not the only one that thinks that

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this kinda angsty angry post is sorta what I associate with newb town and remember of you. Hey I said it was silly.

on site for almost a year and a half, getting called newbtown... have we played together before?

i don't like how you have so much feeling in your posts but i guess it tags a little more as town than scum

-Echo: I don't like this about you
-Also Echo: I think i'll townread you for it

how does this not make sense?
just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's scum, i don't like meta diving but that doesn't make whoever does it scum??

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re tris 163:


i don't wann vote tris anymore and this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

VOTE: echovision hi can you explain your ico/una townreads please

this

is where you voted me in the first place, which doesn't seem like it was because you scum read me (at the time)
you were just jumpin around and happened to find something that you liked, because i didn't answer your question the way you wanted me to

you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise

oh and then you thought i was scum because of my fantastic statistics

and yet despite these posts, you squeeze out a datisi townread?

yes? i was giving reasons why he voted me, voting me != scum

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I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

wow this is your first unique statement all game good shit brother man

No it’s not. I’m not in love with Cakez’ posts but saying he hasn’t said anything unique is just false.

yeah no shit it's called an exaggeration
doesn't take away from the fact that a fair amount of what he's said has been parroted from somebody else

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i'm in class right now which is why i'm only doing some posts but fuck this class i basically took it last year i haven't learned jack shit in this class yet so

150 "followed" egix's 130, not to mention he says "better wagon" then at 225 he says "this wagon sucked"

he's still voting for alc though

165 is reassuring testa, granted it does change a little bit, the initial thought is brought forth by testa
the second part of 165 as well as 169 slightly echo tris's 164 but those he is part of the start of that, so I'll give that to him
not a very high-effort deduction, but that was a unique-ish thought nonetheless

the start of 225 is about his personal reads, so that's unique
same with the middle, his personal opinion (granted it's also other people's opinion on ico coming in late)
the last part I've been over already, he was not at all the first one to say lolhammer and l-1 = bad, see 213 and 216

231 is literally agreeing with nero

i understand he has said some unique things, but hyperbole is a wonderful thing
most of what he's said has been relatively similar to something that someone else has said, which makes me feel like he's afraid to give his own opinions bc scum man go brrrrrr

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^ is either terrible reading or an outright misrep/lie. I sorta feel like Gamma and Echo are trying so hard to misrep cakes ans things.

no offense but if i was trying to misrep someone and get them killed for no reason it wouldn't be cakes

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He was saying that Alch's attempt to wagon an inactive slot sucked not that the wagon on Alch sucked.

understood i take that part back then, misread on my part
why am i not dead yet zzzz yall are bugging me
at this point no matter what i say it's gonna get spun around so there's no point in me talking anymore tbh

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my uneducated guess for scum team is mizzy, cakes, testa
that's all for me folks see you later

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VOTE: sircakez

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Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.

Why do you think he acts like that as scum though, even doubling down on it when the wagon on him is already at E-2? I have seen Nero's take on it, but I find it hard to believe since he was already acting like that before Gamma got wagoned.

Admittedly I'm not sure how you expect me to be able to answer that, but I will say that the last time I played in a game with Echo, he practically crumbled as soon as a wagon formed on him. The disappointing thing was that he was actually town that time...

when did you play a game with me? i don't remember your name sorry boo bear

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Nero I just don’t think Gamma’s scum here? Are you willing to come to Echo?

at this point i'm willing to come to echo

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At this point I almost feel like Echo is gonna get elimmed some point at this game no matter what because of playstyle.

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Like he reminds me of certain people I've played with who kinda aggravate people onto voting them without caring about the results.

I'm interested in the pool of players who nobody has really talked about all day like Mizzy, Testa, Which and UnaBombah.

weird how two of them are on my scum list

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Nero I just don’t think Gamma’s scum here? Are you willing to come to Echo?

at this point i'm willing to come to echo

I'm really not understanding your play here. If you are town why do you want to be lynched so bad?

i speak i get scum read
i attack someone and make a case on them nobody listens
i defend myself nobody listens
i say something that could be perceived as scummy everyone jumps on me and starts screaming burn the witch
if i scum read someone nobody listens
what's the point in scum hunting if no matter what i come up with it goes in one ear out the other
what's the point in staying alive as town if i can't scum hunt

at this point i'd almost rather i die day 1 and yall use the info and vca to look at people bc i'm not gonna be able to get anything done this game

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My tris vote is now serious
These posts are terrible

:sadface:

VOTE: tris

choo choo

VOTE: tris

choo choo

yeah i'm down for this
VOTE: tris

i don't really vibe with these votes and echo's is pinging me in particular

good

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VOTE: skitter

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VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

stop sheeping and pocketing me
VOTE: gamma
that's l-1
thank u have a good night

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from my understanding it wasn't extended, it got paused while we looked for a replacement but now that we found a replacement it's un-paused

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don't think skitter's town

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@mod the votecount time accounts for the pause that we took while looking for a replacement, yes?

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VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

stop sheeping and pocketing me
VOTE: gamma
that's l-1
thank u have a good night

don't think skitter's town

EV is your skitter scumread independant or connected to your vote/scumread on gamma?

independent
vote on gamma is bc gamma's trying to be my lil butt buddy and i don't like it, especially with my wagon being his counterwagon i don't like him trying to buddy me

sus on skitter is just sus, don't like their vibe in the game, don't like their posts

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i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

i told you una was town

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why are you guys complaining that i'm not claiming at 5:40 in the morning
relax

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alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

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It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

I know and agree, I'm still on him

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

you're not doing yourself ANY favors

why do i need to do myself favors
VOTE: skitter

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hippity hoppity i want page toppity

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It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

I know and agree, I'm still on him

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

you're not doing yourself ANY favors

also how is that not doing me any favors
what else do you do in your last post
i claimed
i said who i thought scum was
go ahead and vote me, i said my goodbyes as well
worst case scenario i die
oh no

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if i correctly guess the scum team day 1 can the game just end zzzz

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scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}

Why is gamma not here?

sorry
gamma could replace testa

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but i think it's testa

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y test? and y cakes?

cakes i've been scum reading, most of his stuff imo has been parroted information, i made a more detailed "case" (more of a push) earlier in the game
testa has been inactive, hasn't done anything that i remember, and the person in the game i suspect the most medium amount

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i hate literally everything about how skitt and nero are interacting and if i had a 2-shot dayvig i'd shoot both of them

nooooo nero's town
there's two reads that i have locked
nero town
una town

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is four posts too many to bump to get page top?

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i don't think so

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do you think so?

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bc hippity hoppity i want page toppity part 2

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someone please hammer

fine i will
VOTE: skitter

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i think the only other person i'd like to vote rn is maybe gamma and that wagon is completely fucking dead

anyone else would be "eh i don't scumread this slot but we need a flip"

i don't have too much faith in echo flipping scum because the world isn't nice to me but they've already claimed and less than 5 hours till deadline etc etc so here's to me being wrong

if you don't think i'll flip scum why dont you come join and vote skitter with us

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it's too anti-town to self-hammer otherwise i'd love to

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VOTE: EchoVision

damn yall shut down my scum game like that
how rude