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[SirCakez]

My tris vote is now seriousThese posts are terrible

what's terrible about said posts?

it was super dissonant and felt like backpedaling
but I've progressed on that read now and no longer SR tris

^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

which game was that?

i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays

i'm so ashamed...

I actually buy this, it felt odd that Ico was just totally absent, not lurking. Which is why Alch's wagon attempt sucked.

i don't wann vote tris anymore and

this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

Why is it bad?
You think it's likely for scum to lolhammer at this point of D1?
And even if they did, you think they'd get away with it?

This falls under a similar category with why I voted for tris earlier.
Over-explaining your reasonings and actions this early in the game pings me hard as scummy.

I'm gonna hop in on this and say that lolhammers definitely happen early D1 and not even necessarily scum, it can be just town not paying attention or troll town like NM. I've played games where town lolhammers town D1 and then gets elimmed d2 and then town is basically screwed. So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

[SirCakez]

pagetop!

[Nero Cain]

It's gonna be rough defending myself from this, but I can confirm i'm a fucking post waterfall, especially early game but generally throughout the game, with a declining factor for larger games

I've never actually got that impression from you. You've always seemed pretty scummy and kinda active lurkish. And besides the "ICO could be scum not posting here" you haven't really pinged me yet.

[Nero Cain]

Which is why Alch's wagon attempt sucked.

I strongly disagree with this. Ico normally gets scum read so I could easily envision a scum Ico not wanting to post in fear that he gets scum read. He's (Alch) also correct when he says that Ico can react to his wagon when he gets back. I'm also sympathetic b/c town me has been pushed for voting a scummy inactive slot. No, he's actually taking initiative and that's + town. If anyone is scum here its Gamma who basically calls Ico scum in 159 but doesn't vote until Alch votes. Why is your focus on Alch but you are ignoring Gamma?

[Nero Cain]

ofcourse that doesn't really cover your point of being silent until pressed on

shouldn't this be like a huge red flag for Gamma?

[SirCakez]

But what kind of scum ploy would it be to just not post at game start? Eventually you'll have to anyways.
I didn't notice that Gamma post tbh

[SirCakez]

Yeah that's not great I agree Nero

[Nero Cain]

But what kind of scum ploy would it be to just not post at game start? Eventually you'll have to anyways.

I mean yeah, maybe it's not great reasoning but its the way I feel/felt.

[Datisi]

I'm actully town reading you for a pretty silly reason but eh.

can you share with the class?

But what kind of scum ploy would it be to just not post at game start? Eventually you'll have to anyways.

I mean yeah, maybe it's not great reasoning but its the way I feel/felt.

obligatory "i've played/modded three bajillion game with/for ico" disclamer, he can be "more lurky" as scum but he never outright *doesn't post* so i'm pretty sure this is NAI

(i actually have a convoluted tinfoil theory on why the non-posting for the first 2-3 days is actually town!indicative but eh)

i feel like nero is +town because mindmelding (217/229) and while i'm aware his post came after mine, it doesn't strike me as a likely pocket attemp or something

nero, do you have a track record of reading alchemist?

[EchoVision]

Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives

you could
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1

[Iconeum]

weekend vla

i'm so sorry

[EchoVision]

zzzzz still waiting for something to bite on
someone do something scummy thanks

[Iconeum]

. You've always seemed pretty scummy and kinda active lurkish.

ehhh

i really don't consider myself as a lurkish player, but maybe we only played together in larger games where i might tend to do that more

as for the scummy part

well

yeah

[Iconeum]

zzzzz still waiting for something to bite on
someone do something scummy thanks

ur scum

i think this read is gonna age really well

[Datisi]

echo you could answer the question i asked you about your reads

[EchoVision]

echo you could answer the question i asked you about your reads

i could if i had a reason
idk if there's three or four scum with this player count so let's go for 3, that's 3/12 scum
that's 9/12 town
there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

[Datisi]

you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise

[Gamma Emerald]

^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

which game was that?

i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays

i'm so ashamed...

Kids With Lungs
Feel free to call me a stinky dodo brain if I mixed up your alignment

oh right! yeah i was scum with the magical bear

but i quickly glanced at that game and I saw that I had the second most posts in that game, number 1 being my scum buddy
ofcourse that doesn't really cover your point of being silent until pressed on, but I also don't think it compares like this game where I was just… not here?

I remember you didn’t post much D1 or D2 there until pressed

[Datisi]

there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

actually this is even worse math because odds aren't the same for two people because odds multiply but asjdks math

[Gamma Emerald]

alchemist otoh uses logic like the one VP used to defend his buddy npow - yeah i scumread that

May I see the context for this?

[Gamma Emerald]

ofcourse that doesn't really cover your point of being silent until pressed on

shouldn't this be like a huge red flag for Gamma?

How tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

echo you could answer the question i asked you about your reads

i could if i had a reason
idk if there's three or four scum with this player count so let's go for 3, that's 3/12 scum
that's 9/12 town
there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds

Seeing as the game is 12 people, I think it’s extremely unlikely we have 4 scum
I’m kinda leaning this as a townslip, does anyone know if zany speculation like this is common from EV?
UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

alchemist otoh uses logic like the one VP used to defend his buddy npow - yeah i scumread that

May I see the context for this?

mini 2157:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Icon

NPOM seems like he's pretty inexperienced. No way scum comes out and actually goes SRS MODE in RVS. The real goof here is Icon trying to make that seem scummy.

(In fact, NPOM was a pretty easy misyeet D1 in a recent game I played. He was similarly overeager to scum hunt, and the scum team just sat back and let that be a fail. Only took slight prodding to make it an all town wagon. NPOM was town vig that game.)

i will tell you that a while ago, when i was less experienced, i made it my job as scum to try and force the game out of RVS asap to gain the juicy town credit associated with that. Or at least, I believed it was.

If you have meta evidence suggesting this is town!NPOW, i'm not opposed to hearing that.

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

The point is NPOM is an easy target for a misyeet. In the game I referenced, my scum team was more careful and let the NPOM misyeet happen without having to participate much (iirc, one scum member quick hammered). The particulars from any game to game are going to differ. How is that confusing for you?

I think it's scum motivated because it's unlikely scum is going to come out both barrels in RVS the way NPOM did.

Scum are timid little babies, afraid to attract attention to themselves early on in the game

. I'm saying Icon goofed by thinking "oh, here is an easy push I can hop on to look like I'm scumhunting."

how are you coming to a scum!Icon conclusion when i'm standing in front of everyone, clearly not afraid to speak out and DEFINITELY not afraid of drawing attention?
when you just say scum are likely NOT to do this?

VOTE: VP

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Icon

NPOM seems like he's pretty inexperienced. No way scum comes out and actually goes SRS MODE in RVS. The real goof here is Icon trying to make that seem scummy.

(In fact, NPOM was a pretty easy misyeet D1 in a recent game I played. He was similarly overeager to scum hunt, and the scum team just sat back and let that be a fail. Only took slight prodding to make it an all town wagon. NPOM was town vig that game.)

...wait, hang on. You're saying that he was miseliminated by an all-town wagon, with scum just sitting back and letting it happen, in a previous game.

And you also think Iconeum is scum for scumreading him, when you've just established that town have scumread him previously.

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

also what this dude said

ur writing a lot, but your conclusions don't make sense which means you are probably faking this

[Datisi]

how tf is that post a townslip?

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum would know the amount of scum right? I only really expect that to come from scum!EV if he posts a lot of things like that, which is why I asked