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[Iconeum]

i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

A) so the thing is that i fundementally dont believe survivalism to be a town-indicative trait, but it is fairly correlated with being scum imo

B) so yu're saying you see gamma/echo as svs? Or am i misunderstanding the second bit?

I believe that survivalism is a NAI trait. At least, I know I do that from both allignments. And from a basic thoughts level: town!gamma knows he's town, so his flip is Always 'the wrong one'. As for Echo, he can't know.

Yes, I think gamma not wanting to cross-vote is scum/scum indicative.

[SirCakez]

alch/gamma have scum unless ico flips scum

i don't get the connection between alch/gamma and ico

(i'm apparently giving up on the long-posting, sorry cakes)

its ok you tried I appreciate it

VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

while this is, like, wrong, it's also a bonkers vote for scum to be making in this gamestate

(namely: he's currently the leading wagon. and is following his cw onto a vanity wagon that is extremely unlikely to get traction in the next (i think) 17 hours or whatever it is. survivalistic scum don't really make this vote)

oof. i think you're right. i noticed it earlier, but i didn't want to give up on my scumread, but it's actually a strong piece of evidence UNVOTE:

i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

And yes, this happens. Trust me

I agree with this (inb4 someone calls this parroting)
It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped
Also I don't think Skitter is a totally pointless vote as there are some people SRing there apparently (Nero, Echo)

Una why are you catching up from the start of the game again? Seems pointless and maybe looking for towncred-y.
And why is Egix "harmless"?

Gamma should claim ASAP

[SirCakez]

I don't think the theory that Gamma not wanting to vote Echo is because Echo is a buddy holds water.
I think scum would be bussing in this situation.

[Datisi]

sircakez, gamma isn't on E-1 anymore

ech is the one that should be claiming

what's your read on echo again?

[Nero Cain]

if Gamma ever flips scum we should revisit Tris b/c she's the one that took him off of L-1

[Nero Cain]

Also I don't think Skitter is a totally pointless vote as there are some people SRing there apparently (Nero, Echo)

I don't think she

has

to be scum but I think some of the stuff she's saying is silly and she's hardcore defending Gamma so if he ever flips scum Skitter does make sense as a scumbud. Her fence-sit on Alch is super bad though. And I didn't really like that she was being useless with her vote until called out on it. Though her defense is that she was catching up so meh...still seems kinda bad to me, idk.

In hindsight Datsi worries me a little b/c he apparently always wants to vote Skitter except the time she was scum. So maybe that could mean they are scum together.

[Datisi]

ok first, can you please stop calling me datsi

second, sorry what is that supposed to mean?

[SirCakez]

sircakez, gamma isn't on E-1 anymore

ech is the one that should be claiming

what's your read on echo again?

I'd elim it for game progression and because he's probably gonna die no matter what eventually but I think he's probably just town with a wack playstyle

[SirCakez]

Also I don't think Skitter is a totally pointless vote as there are some people SRing there apparently (Nero, Echo)

I don't think she

has

to be scum but I think some of the stuff she's saying is silly and she's hardcore defending Gamma so if he ever flips scum Skitter does make sense as a scumbud. Her fence-sit on Alch is super bad though. And I didn't really like that she was being useless with her vote until called out on it. Though her defense is that she was catching up so meh...still seems kinda bad to me, idk.

In hindsight Datsi worries me a little b/c he apparently always wants to vote Skitter except the time she was scum. So maybe that could mean they are scum together.

I see. Idk I liked the tone and content of the catchup enough to overlook those things you pointed out.
Yeah a lot of my reads hinge on Gamma's flip.

[Nero Cain]

It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

[Nero Cain]

second, sorry what is that supposed to mean?

Didn't you say you just always want to vote her? And the only time you didn't have that feeling was when she was scum?

[Datisi]

second, sorry what is that supposed to mean?

Didn't you say you just always want to vote her? And the only time you didn't have that feeling was when she was scum?

yeah, that's historically happened in our games. i'm confused how you're taking that and jumping to "they are scum together".

[Nero Cain]

I'm not but is it some kinda reach to go "Datisi usually wants Skitter blood and he doesn't so maybe they are scum together!"? From an uninformed perspective that seems entirely plausible, no?

It could mean nothing.
it could mean she's scum. (and not necessarily with you)

[Nero Cain]

or it could even mean u r scum that knows Skitter is town.

[Datisi]

i mean, the whole point of me mentioning that was the fact that skitter came in with gameviews that were completely different to my own, which is what reminded me of games where we were t/t...

In hindsight Datsi worries me a little b/c he apparently always wants to vote Skitter except the time she was scum. So maybe that could mean they are scum together.

also this give me the bad-faithy vibe you're trying to shut skitter out by going for people that think she's town

[Nero Cain]

I'm not "going for you" I'm doing my due diligence by making an observation but the light OMGUS is noted.

[EchoVision]

VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

stop sheeping and pocketing me
VOTE: gamma
that's l-1
thank u have a good night

don't think skitter's town

EV is your skitter scumread independant or connected to your vote/scumread on gamma?

independent
vote on gamma is bc gamma's trying to be my lil butt buddy and i don't like it, especially with my wagon being his counterwagon i don't like him trying to buddy me

sus on skitter is just sus, don't like their vibe in the game, don't like their posts

[Nero Cain]

can u go ahead and claim?

[EchoVision]

i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

i told you una was town

[EchoVision]

why are you guys complaining that i'm not claiming at 5:40 in the morning
relax

[EchoVision]

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

[Nero Cain]

let me check myself on Gamma. I'm going to ignore most early game content b/c I think its irrelevant


Naked vote on Echo in 82.

158 explains that the Echo vote was a pressure vote. Adds more to it in 201.

adds fuel to the Ico fire in 159 and then votes in 162 after Alch.

246 gets off Ico and says he thinks that echo "town slipped"

265 revotes Ico

285 starts the cakes push/slight OMGUS

462 triggers me b/c

And like, I’ve refused to talk about some of the points you’ve brought against me because I felt like they weren’t actually bad points.

it reminds me of how scum Gamma has reacted to me in the past.

495 tris vote

In hindsight his Ico vote seemed like a place holder vote and he pretty much fence sits on him.

Except I’ve been open about not being 100% confident about it?

Wich is confusing b/c he basicly calls him scum

so I don’t think becoming more active in response to pressure here is particularly Town-indicative. I think you probably took your vote off too early.

then kinda goes "oh you are active, so prob not scum."

I mostly just didn’t want to let you get off easy. Looks like your contributions are consistent so

If Gamma felt like him becoming active wasn't Town-indicative AND his his evidence is a game in wich Ico posted it up to become the 2nd highest poster why does he unvote Ico wants Ico became active?

I don't feel like his Cake push had any merit to it.

So his sum total is a pressure vote on Echo that he now thinks is town. A place holdery type vote on Ico and a faulty (IMO) push on Cakes. And a random useless vote on Tris. So yeah, his content seems bad and I don't feel like he's doing anything worthwile.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: skitter

so Gamma won't be vanity voting.

[SirCakez]

It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

I know and agree, I'm still on him

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

you're not doing yourself ANY favors

[EchoVision]

It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

I know and agree, I'm still on him

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

you're not doing yourself ANY favors

why do i need to do myself favors
VOTE: skitter