In post 337, Donempire wrote:Because it was an rvs vote
I think its more productive to focus on the hammerer instead of the bystanders.
Poor ico, now we can never get this game to 300 pages
VOTE: alisae
In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
In post 343, Donempire wrote:Not really, but i understand where you are coming from. Hammer happened while i was asleep. At that time i didnt have any better spots to vote, so i wanted to save it for when i had an idea. I didnt think an ico lynch would happen, or if it did i'd be there to review the reasons instead of a lolhammer. Hindsight is something i didnt have.
In post 348, Donempire wrote:I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
In post 350, Donempire wrote:I overreacted there. But still, how do you mess that up
Mislynching seems like the most optimal route actually. They also have to night kill so there wont be any no kill shenanigans. I want to see where alisae leads, maybe i can even get scum from this but for now i just want to move forward.
In post 380, Donempire wrote:Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?In post 359, Alisae wrote:dude it was an accident wtf?In post 348, Donempire wrote:I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.
In post 383, Donempire wrote:I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?
In post 390, Donempire wrote:Hmm.
My votes sticky, but you still have my support on that wagon. I trust your dice if you say its good.
In post 413, Donempire wrote:After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.
In post 480, Donempire wrote:Because its easy to push, but if you dont slip up further i cant confidently reach a town!you lynch, since im only basing this wagon off off one thing, and its basically a policy lynch. Meanwhile if i just let you live i can bring up the lolhammer and discredit half your argument.In post 414, Alisae wrote:Why?In post 411, Donempire wrote:I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.
NotedIn post 415, Alisae wrote:I mean its pretty easy to reach this conclusion when you start the day pushing me as a liability and suggest that mislynching is +EV. Why would I not tell you to back off if thats what I think you're doing?In post 411, Donempire wrote:I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent.
(Also I just don't react well to being voted/suspected in general but thats a me thing as both alignments and there's no way for you to know that)
I just woke up, but i'll try to come back to detailing my reasons after i read the new posts.In post 416, Alisae wrote:why do you think it sucksIn post 413, Donempire wrote:After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.
In post 528, Donempire wrote:Spoiler:
So alisae asked me to expand on my windows scumread.
I dont see anything conclusively scum motivated in this batch of posts. What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good. On top of that, his third post here says that ico never responded to him, and that it is only scum indicative. However, he did. Literally the post before that.
Its lazy, but thats ico for you. And its quite clearly a response, and saying otherwise is just misrepresenting.In post 213, Iconeum wrote:thereIn post 206, WindowsXP wrote:Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.
Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be dislikingthe pressure thatPaladinis putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMISTor because of their push on Hop?
After that, its reasonable to vote him back since hes saying ico didnt respond when he just did, and the only response ico gets after that is "omgus xd". I dont see how you as ico dont get pissed at this, on top of that weird disclaimer at the bottom which ico didnt do. I even thought he was memeing there
also lmaoIn post 545, Donempire wrote:I dont remember a lot of alisae except es push on ico, which i actually liked. I thought posts like 275 and 280 were inquisitive without being overly aggressive. It ended too early for me to make any heavy statements, but i dont have a problem with alis d1 except for you know what.In post 481, WindowsXP wrote:There is enough plausible deniability that if you're going to try to use the lolhammer as an argument you are going to get no real conclusions.
Also your claim about what you'd do with Alisae as scum while simultaneously not really sorting em is odd to me Dong. How do you read the rest of eir D1 minus the lolhammer? Was it towny or scummy? Let's say that, theoretically, Ico was not at L-1 on D1 when alisae voted, and the game continued. Was their move there scum?
Let's answer some real questions about motives and analysis.
Where did I ever reach a final conclusion? I was offering a case against Ico and I was letting them refute it. Let's talk about that. Do you think my push was scum motivated? Why? What was suspicious about my posts?
Tell me what exactly struck you as scummy.
Also, important, do you think Ydrasse's d1 is town to you? They voted Ico too and did not declare L-1, and are a passive voice this game. I'm wondering what you may think about that slot.
Yes. Even if not scum motivated, it was done in bad faith. Posts like 206 prove that. I explained my reasoning already. Post 214 clearly reaches a final conclusion as well since you say theres nothing but scum motivation there.
I would also like to note im just repeating myself here. I already said everything i said here in 528
I think my votes on ali so VOTE: Windows
I think ydrasses d1 is awful. There is nothing for me to sort, its not_mafia levels of bad. I want to chalk it up to rvs, but so far i havent seen anything from her, and lurking seems like the winning strategy here for scum, so i do want to at least iso her once today. Do hold me up to it, i might forget