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[Iconeum]

ok sure, ev is scum in that world though

yeap, my point was just that it doesn't necesarily point to town!gamma because of reasons i said

[UnaBombaH]

unabombah, i want to hear more from you about your scumread of me, and get a response to 97+98. or just something other than whatever random things you're saying

I think I already answered to this? I intentionally started my catchup from an earlier point to actually get a good sense of what has happened so far, instead of just skimming everything that has happened in the last 10 pages or so.

My early gut thinks that scum are likely to be in

Gamma Emerald
EchoVision
UnaBombaH
Iconeum

That's quite early Nero.
Is it solely based on who's active or not?

iunno, it's just the "early reads seem tmi" is kinda like a pretty easy stance to take, especially since you didn't bother to ask me anything about it. if i told you that giving early reads is actually +town for me, does that change you opinion in any way?

I think I'm townleaning this kind of content from Datisi right now?
They also seem to question the same kind of things that I question and notice.
So even if this is scum, they at least have a similar thought process to mine, it would seem.
Gotta love it.

Talk to me about tris town

Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).

Also I don't think her play comes across like coming from a scum agenda. It feels like she genuinely doesn't care how she gets perceived by others and with her recent posts it looks more to me that there is an actual interest in figuring other players' stances out.

While it is to take with a grain of salt I also skimmed a few games after I looked into the game Mizzy linked and I thought it was noticeable that she was as scum more serious out of the gate while she is more loose as town. It's easy to manipulate, but with my overall impression I will just roll with the simple answer here.

This might be the worst post in the game so far.
And no, not exclusively because they mention me as a second scumlean. Although that pings me as well - I simply haven't posted a lot so far, so if I'm a second scumlean it can't be too strong of a read yet.
And yet it has something to do with "tris seems towny" + "people voting for her are scummy".
Gives me strong vibes of scum!Testa pocketing town!tris or something to that effect.

I think he's thinking harder about it, which points to being town
like scum probably posts something similar but without the thought of it showing

Simple but reasonable.
Seems very fitting to be posted this early in the game, and doesn't try to be "anything more than it is".
I like it.

huh? so, you found a game where iconeum was inactive as town, and one where he was inactive as scum, and your conclusion is that he's scum for being inactive?

Yea, that doesn't seem very smarts.
I'm still wondering though - I think Alch is like very smart?
Would he just fumble like this either alignment?
And furthermore - would he really feel like he needed to push for something this "easy" and cheeky this early?

Unless they replace out Iconeum will react to it when they do start posting.

If Iconeum does replace out, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

This makes more sense.

[UnaBombaH]

if i start out by playing like a dip shit then i don't have to explain myself to people which is significantly less work for me and it's so fantastic
i can just read the thread and have some fun by extending my self-rvs until i find something to bite on

I personally dislike the way this works, but I can understand the reasoning.
Just...try to actually make a difference wherever you can, or be burned by this tactic.
You might get too disconnected and pacified - guess that's the trade off?
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I SEE THAT MY REACTION TO TESTAROSSA TODAY WAS THE SAME EARLIER AS WELL. 185
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gamma/tris/testa are early townreads

alchemist and vision… not so much

Ummmm....yuck?
At least one very poor townread, and I guess 50% of the scumreads as well?
I sure hope you picked up the slack after this.

why are gamma and testa town?

Datisi is gonna be my beacon of light for now.
Has tha BRAINPOWAH.

i don't wann vote tris anymore and this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

Oh..but it was them who also made this post.
I still think being "wary of town-lolhammers" is sort of silly.
If someone does that, we policy-lynch them the next day, and thank kindly for ruining the game for us.
I'd also make it a point to not play with people like that if they constantly keep doing that.
A singular lolhammer here or there isn't the end of the world though.
D1s often are what they are, and most of the actual earlygame-solving seems to happen D2-D3 anyway.

Tbh I don't really think tris' posts are scummy.

this was the main post that made me go 'this is town'

i don't feel that scum are gonna defend a buddy here in this way, and scum are also not gonna stop someone from scumreading someone else if you know what i mean

very early logic, but i see something in it

I honestly disagree with this one.
The game is in such an early phase, that this can (and almost should) come more easily from scum than town.
I'm not specifically advocating for S/S, but even that isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
I'm thinking scum!Testa pocketing town!tris, or two scumsters building early "distance" by the way of "two scum would NEVER DO THIS"

is this a meta read on gamma or like a "general tell"?

can you elaborate how you got the list of people in 140?

general

it's my gut. I know I'm town. My feelings are that Tris is just confusing town thats doing what she thinks is good town play but those not in the know think she's scummy. Alch and I are mind melding as usual.

Test, Mizzy and Eg all feel like they are doing things.

Ditto Sircake although in hindsight some of his wording is but I'm chalking that up to it being sircakez. I'm actully town reading you for a pretty silly reason but eh.

wich leaves us with....

Gamma Emerald
EchoVision
UnaBombaH
Iconeum



ta dah?

OK, I feel like this has it's ups and downs.
Especially the bolded part I dislike - would you actually think it's more likely that scum are NOT ~doing things~ D1?
To me this feels like you are lumping people together with very little effort behind the read.
One of them might be scum - all of them might be scum.
Once again, I admit myself that it's still rather early, but I do not think it's a good idea to make such a group of townleans just ~because~ instead of trying to find differences between the lot of them.

[Iconeum]

no u

[Iconeum]

i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

[Iconeum]

Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

[Iconeum]

if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

[UnaBombaH]

Which is why Alch's wagon attempt sucked.

I strongly disagree with this. Ico normally gets scum read so I could easily envision a scum Ico not wanting to post in fear that he gets scum read. He's (Alch) also correct when he says that Ico can react to his wagon when he gets back. I'm also sympathetic b/c town me has been pushed for voting a scummy inactive slot. No, he's actually taking initiative and that's + town. If anyone is scum here its Gamma who basically calls Ico scum in 159 but doesn't vote until Alch votes. Why is your focus on Alch but you are ignoring Gamma?

Have I ever told you that "Nero" means "genius" in finnish?

idk if there's three or four scum with this player count so let's go for 3, that's 3/12 scum

This stinks.
Mainly because it feels like "scum pretending not to know".

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

..and this as well.
So it turns out that was Echo with the worst post of the game so far^^

Seeing as the game is 12 people, I think it’s extremely unlikely we have 4 scum
I’m kinda leaning this as a townslip, does anyone know if zany speculation like this is common from EV?

Way too simple interpretation. Way way way too surface-level. Anyone could easily fake what Echo just said there.
Absolutely no reason to townread any of it.

is the fact that i explicitly stated that i was holding off my vote the problem?

Yes.
Exactly just that.
I think townies need to be open about their reads, and explain them as well as they can.
But I think townies should also avoid explaining their own actions and reactions to a certain degree.
If people are unable to see why you did something, they should ask or point it out, and then it's time for explanations.
But explaining every gameplay-decision you make gives off the vibe that you are trying to cover your own back, and also takes away the opportunity from others to start a dialogue based on things they don't understand or disagree on.

I don't see what Una is seeing in Datisi.

Ico has smart words. Bit anxious about that slot just cos of Datisi's attitude early.

No longer convinced I see what Nero was seeing. There's a surprising amount of talk this game that comes down to "is this or isn't this early stuff joking". I feel like we're already getting past that?

Mizzy was on a reasonably similar wavelength with me up until this post (it seems), but here seems to disagree with me on almost everything.
Interesting turnaround.

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

I think everyone is getting that vibe from Echo. At least 3 people have called him on his playstyle.

..and it's also just potentially one of two very opposite things.
Lazy scum that won are able to spot and call out, or lazy town (kek) who scum want to push early to come across towny.
Once more - whatever Echo has posted so far that I've read, has been very barely AI if at all.
So far he's on the policy lynch -shortlist, but not anywhere else for me.

Votecount:
Alchemist21(5): Testarossa, Egix96, SirCakez, Iconeum, Echovision
Echovision(2): Datisi, Mizzytastic
Iconeium(1): Gamma Emerald
tris(1): UnabombaH
Datisi(1): tris
Gamma Emerald(1): Nero Cain
Not Voting(1):Alchemist21

Picking this up for myself now that I'm going to need a break from catching up

(falling behind at work )
But I feel like it's either scum!Alch, or there's definitely scum on the wagon.
Obv. CAN be both, but I'm not sure yet - I'll be paying attention to how the wagon develops/halts within the last 10 pages or so.
Testarossa and SirCakez are the two names I'm staring at.
Egix and Echo are both "harmless" for now, even if a bit too close to null to me.
Iconeum is likely town and we just have differing reads.
Alch himself is either a different type of player than what I thought he might be as town, or he might just be scum. Dunno.
Not too familiar with them, just had a preconceived image in my head from the start.

[Datisi]

why is una like... catching up to half the gane when we have 13 hours left and two wagons at E-2

[Iconeum]

yes

[Datisi]

how bad do you prefer gamma > echo?

[Iconeum]

not enough to get a no lynch

[Iconeum]

what is your thoughts on the competing wagons rn?

[Datisi]

i like my vote on echo
at some point i was thinking about switching to gamma but after skitter rep-in i'm kinda eh on that now

still would switch there if needed

also my inner pessimism is starting to say that gamma/echo are probably t/t and it doesn't really matter
no i don't have anything rational to back that up with

[Iconeum]

not sure what the votes are at rn

[Iconeum]

5 each?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: echo

claim it or lose it

[skitter30]

don't think skitter's town

Again, go on

[skitter30]

what makes gamma different in this regard?

I'm not sure what ur asking, sorry

[skitter30]

i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

A) so the thing is that i fundementally dont believe survivalism to be a town-indicative trait, but it is fairly correlated with being scum imo

B) so yu're saying you see gamma/echo as svs? Or am i misunderstanding the second bit?

[Datisi]

i know i wasn't part of this convo and i hate butting in but we're short on time and i kinda wanna know too so

He's (Alch) also correct when he says that Ico can react to his wagon when he gets back.

i'm saying i disagree with this ^
a) wagoning someone who clearly isn't here so they can 'react to the wagon when they get back' is kinda a waste of time and wagoning because you can just ... wagon someone who actively is there, and then let the absent slot either get replaced, or if they return wagon them at that time. it's a silly waste imo because the person you're trying to get a reaction out of isn't even there to produce said reaction
b) i'm not sure ico (in particular) would even react super strongly upon returning to a wagon that formed on him while he was mia, because he was mia

what makes gamma different in this regard?

if gamma and alch both wagoned ico, why are you townreading gamma but not alch? or like why aren't these points against gamma

[skitter30]

My reaction to una's catchup is:

I mean ... ok?

[skitter30]

I meam i dislike it from anyone but gamma actually has other content that i do like and i was making a point that i was disagreeing with the mindset

[skitter30]

I'm gonna be honest i keep forgetting that gamma was the other vote on ico too

[skitter30]

Ev should do a claiming thing
I'll try to pop in again before deadline