I get it, but due to the inherent nature of why people were SRing him, eg being consenus-y and lurky, I can't see people being able to write tonnes on stuff on why he's been scummy. It's one of those slots that you pressure to try to get a response out of and use that to make a more meaningful read.In post 816, Andresvmb wrote:I do recall there being multiple people that were asking for paragraphs to try and understand why Math was being SR. And as Math actually correctly pointed out, shellyc was SR’ing Math for something they did as Town as well. I would have liked to see folks putting votes down perhaps reinforcing their reasoning a bit. That would have created some real pressure. Semi-naked votes all bunched up don’t tend to have the same effect I feel.In post 813, Marky Mark wrote:Some people were SRing math since his first reads post, iirc shelly called it out as consensusy but others were certianly also SRing the slot. As I've said before, wouldn't be my first choice for a wagon but I think the reasons people were SRing him had been fairly well articulated by the time the wagon formed.In post 808, Andresvmb wrote: Maybe I should have phrased it better - pressure can definitely catch Scum. It’s just that there was no buildup to it when it happened. So unless Math creates a hole for themselves, you end up in a situation where others don’t join because the explanation just isn’t there.
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I have a hard time with the argument that Math is being consensus-y. The lurking, absolutely. Agreeing with how the bulk of the players view the gamecouldbe bad. Or could be Town recognizing that the game is going in the right direction. It’s a hard accusation to make with little information is what I’m trying to say. Or at least it’s hard to really argue against. And if you’re one of those Town players with that consensus view? Why would you SR someone who agrees with you all of a sudden?-
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VOTE: andres
ill explain later in more detail but their recent posts stink tonme and I think they're doing a lot of open ended solving ie setting up a ML chainretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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I'm on page 31, posting reads soon.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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It was believed for centuries that metal was an unbendable material. No effort or thought was given to bending metal because it was simply assumed one could not do so. Bending was a fighting art form given to humans by spirits early on in history. As history continued, these bending disciplines expanded through trial and error, research, discovery, and more. Waterbenders soon learned they could bend ice and snow, then steam, then found their ability to heal with their bending, and eventually grew into an even darker expertise of bending. With earthbenders, legendary bender Toph Beifong became trapped in a metal box. In her attempt to escape, using her willpower and ability to feel earth with her bending, she realized that metal is simply a material derived from earth. It is a form of earth that has been purified and refined. Finding the material makeup of earth within the metal, she was able to bend her way out of the box, becoming the first metalbender in history and creating a new school of bending that would be studied for decades to come. The art form was later honed and developed into a masterful skill with metalbenders dressing themselves in metal armor and weapons they could use to fight with at any given moment.
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TOWN
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viewtopic.php?p=12265107#p12265107 - I think I'm in love with this post, and that's all I need to know he's town
shellyc
viewtopic.php?p=12255331#p12255331 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12255381#p12255381 - VI
viewtopic.php?p=12255386#p12255386 - VI
viewtopic.php?p=12257212#p12257212 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12257276#p12257276 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12260470#p12260470 - interesting vanitywagon
viewtopic.php?p=12260853#p12260853 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12264281#p12264281 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12265255#p12265255 - so town
viewtopic.php?p=12268695#p12268695 - town again
viewtopic.php?p=12271914#p12271914 - and again
DkKoba
viewtopic.php?p=12255735#p12255735 - opportunistic
viewtopic.php?p=12256428#p12256428 - not true
viewtopic.php?p=12256533#p12256533 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12268714#p12268714 - scummish
viewtopic.php?p=12268746#p12268746 - brutal but so true
This slot is so town, I'm not going to copypaste all the towning.
viewtopic.php?p=12270446#p12270446 - astute
Andresvmb
viewtopic.php?p=12256586#p12256586 - disingenuous, perhaps?
viewtopic.php?p=12256601#p12256601 - awkward
viewtopic.php?p=12256611#p12256611 - unnecessary
viewtopic.php?p=12256637#p12256637 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12259330#p12259330 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12263320#p12263320 - wishy-washy
viewtopic.php?p=12263522#p12263522 - undermining
viewtopic.php?p=12265206#p12265206 - townish
viewtopic.php?p=12273578#p12273578 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12274319#p12274319 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12274441#p12274441 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12274449#p12274449 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12274577#p12274577 - town
JacksonVirgo
viewtopic.php?p=12257372#p12257372 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12257413#p12257413 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12260820#p12260820 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12260864#p12260864 - scummy
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84723&start=275 - lots of townie posts on this page
viewtopic.php?p=12264426#p12264426 - VERY town LOL
viewtopic.php?p=12264445#p12264445 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12268823#p12268823 - hahaha town
Marky Mark
viewtopic.php?p=12257045#p12257045 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12261780#p12261780 - townie
viewtopic.php?p=12266695#p12266695 - waffling
viewtopic.php?p=12270830#p12270830 - serving more waffles
viewtopic.php?p=12271546#p12271546 - I'm starting to think he's just excessively courteous and I'm reading it as waffles.
viewtopic.php?p=12272870#p12272870 - I like this post, finally some syrup.
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Tayl0r Swift[/u][/b]
viewtopic.php?p=12255375#p12255375 - pointless
viewtopic.php?p=12256768#p12256768 - town?
viewtopic.php?p=12258351#p12258351 - scummish
viewtopic.php?p=12264338#p12264338 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12265942#p12265942 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12270003#p12270003 - bad take, not sure if AI
viewtopic.php?p=12272126#p12272126 - townish
viewtopic.php?p=12272590#p12272590 - while it's true and righteous, I can see this screed come from scum.
Infinity 324
viewtopic.php?p=12256930#p12256930 - cringe
viewtopic.php?p=12256956#p12256956 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12257291#p12257291 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12259663#p12259663 - scummy AF
viewtopic.php?p=12265308#p12265308 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12265383#p12265383 - VERY town
viewtopic.php?p=12266166#p12266166 - busywork
viewtopic.php?p=12268171#p12268171 - towny
viewtopic.php?p=12268772#p12268772 - :goodposting:
viewtopic.php?p=12268781#p12268781 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12274517#p12274517 - town
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VP Baltar
viewtopic.php?p=12261046#p12261046 - dodgy
viewtopic.php?p=12261053#p12261053 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12261070#p12261070 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12261087#p12261087 - conscious about scum's lack of daytalk... SUPER scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12261861#p12261861 - yay bus'ing
viewtopic.php?p=12261963#p12261963 - conscious about how hard it is for scum
viewtopic.php?p=12264835#p12264835 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12265440#p12265440 - rude
viewtopic.php?p=12265571#p12265571 - nasty scum
viewtopic.php?p=12267989#p12267989 - busywork
viewtopic.php?p=12270573#p12270573 - undermining
viewtopic.php?p=12274471#p12274471 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12274492#p12274492 - :goodposting:
NDMath
viewtopic.php?p=12257735#p12257735 - scummish
viewtopic.php?p=12260665#p12260665 - lazy meta
viewtopic.php?p=12263967#p12263967 - pointless whining
viewtopic.php?p=12272049#p12272049 - last sentence could be town LOL
geraintm
viewtopic.php?p=12256950#p12256950 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12258443#p12258443 - massive scum
viewtopic.php?p=12259610#p12259610 - scummy
viewtopic.php?p=12261529#p12261529 - day late dollar short rubbish
viewtopic.php?p=12265074#p12265074 - whining and RL excuses no bueno
viewtopic.php?p=12268928#p12268928 - more gamestate whining
viewtopic.php?p=12268937#p12268937 - so lazy
viewtopic.php?p=12269296#p12269296 - in your face
Zdenek
viewtopic.php?p=12270961#p12270961 - weak
viewtopic.php?p=12271305#p12271305 - weak lazy readsParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
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VOTE: NDmath
I couldParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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vp and math are both scum DGB?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Which mis-executions do you think I’m setting up? So you think the players I have highlighted as Scummy are Town?In post 828, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: andres
ill explain later in more detail but their recent posts stink tonme and I think they're doing a lot of open ended solving ie setting up a ML chain-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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i just get the vibe that the way u have presented the way u are reading ppl is in such a way that allows for a change later on i.e. flexible evidence.In post 836, Andresvmb wrote:
Which mis-executions do you think I’m setting up? So you think the players I have highlighted as Scummy are Town?In post 828, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: andres
ill explain later in more detail but their recent posts stink tonme and I think they're doing a lot of open ended solving ie setting up a ML chain
i dont like how u seem to be backseated this game. it makes me feel like u are just popping in time to time to appear towny and then let ppl fight eachother.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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mmm something doesnt feel rightretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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About?In post 839, DkKoba wrote:mmm something doesnt feel rightYOUR AD HERE
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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dgb and u and the wagon bcretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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it doesnt line up logically that they are voting here or like not even questioning u voting here.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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I don't disagree. I mean me being on that list with two people I've pushed the most to get yeeted is some serious "VP is kamikaze scum", but oh well.In post 842, DkKoba wrote:it doesnt line up logically that they are voting here or like not even questioning u voting here.
I take what I can get to yeet scummy people though. I always encourage scum to bus their buddiesYOUR AD HERE
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@DkKoba why would I be completely rigid on D1? I am expressing my reads as I have them right now. I also don’t really have particularly strong TR’s. Like I have yet to find someone this game that is extremely likely to be Town in my view.
I also think you’re seeing these stances from me because we have a large list of somewhat difficult players to read in this game {Zdenek, DGB, geraintm, NDMath, VPB and Not_Mafia}, some players that have notable Scum skills based on my past experience {shellyc, VPB}, and some players that seem to me to be acting somewhat dogmatically or in my view, Scummy {Marky Mark (by his own admission), Jackson}. I think you’re mostly misunderstood here, but you are also very polarizing. I mean, either VPB, shellyc, DGB, and I (among others) seem to be arguing that you are Town, whereas Jackson, Marky Mark and Not_Mafia (among others) have explicitly stated or argued the reverse.
The closest thing I have to decent Town Reads are {Infinity, Tayl0r}, fully recognizing that I have a reasonable degree of skepticism of both slots still. And look at DGB’s takes there - both Null!
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I feel like this is a town postIn post 845, Andresvmb wrote:@DkKoba why would I be completely rigid on D1? I am expressing my reads as I have them right now. I also don’t really have particularly strong TR’s. Like I have yet to find someone this game that is extremely likely to be Town in my view.
I also think you’re seeing these stances from me because we have a large list of somewhat difficult players to read in this game {Zdenek, DGB, geraintm, NDMath, VPB and Not_Mafia}, some players that have notable Scum skills based on my past experience {shellyc, VPB}, and some players that seem to me to be acting somewhat dogmatically or in my view, Scummy {Marky Mark (by his own admission), Jackson}. I think you’re mostly misunderstood here, but you are also very polarizing. I mean, either VPB, shellyc, DGB, and I (among others) seem to be arguing that you are Town, whereas Jackson, Marky Mark and Not_Mafia (among others) have explicitly stated or argued the reverse.
The closest thing I have to decent Town Reads are {Infinity, Tayl0r}, fully recognizing that I have a reasonable degree of skepticism of both slots still. And look at DGB’s takes there - both Null!
The argument that I am taking a back seat I disagree with, but that’s your perception. So I won’t argue about it.-
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