mystery box of silver 10. (done)

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So what do you think they’re going to do D3 mathblade???? Try to neighborize scum?? It was priority to link the masons together.

Yes we have information, but instead of being salty that they didn’t spew all of their info to scum just so you could join in the club, either take the info or don’t. We already have 1 scum flip, once we have 2 today you will start believing us.

And for the love of god that’s not what iioa is

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Okay plus go ahead and do that i’ll talk to you D3

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I have a midterm but yall gonna look borderline scummy stupid when we flip another scum. Please point to the conftown titus should have neighborized yesterday

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i read it. They said setup reasons they couldn't elaborate on? That could be a lot of things. he was right on the motion from titus. plus muh townblock
I'm not trusting Titus's side/mastina as much as A50's side. I think there might be something going on there that's not necessarily protown.
I wanna go bell today
VOTE: bell

Kill bell gang

Who’s opposed to killing bell actually

Everyone who is reading the thread

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Screw it. I’ll play Math’s game because it’s a game I’ve been to interested in playing myself.

Both third parties, I want your wincons verbatim. I want to know where precisely y’all stand.

We
Have
Provided
Our
Wincon
1000
Times

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I really want to see what Mastina thinks. Mastina while great at scum isn’t the best liar.

Okay, this is me not lying:
I have VERY good setup based reasons to believe that April Ludgate's roleclaim is complete and utter bullshit.

Can you just say them so that we can judge for ourselves whether they're very good or not?

If you think they could dont you think they would???

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Math, I never ever want to vote you this game, but whatever your problem is, there must be a better way to communicate in a productive, protown manner.

This is a protown manner.

I am explaining my dilemma.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I try again.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I give up and submit to sheer silliness.

Now I am getting yelled at for how I am pointing out the silliness.

Like it’s ridiculous.

Here are your options math:
1. You think all 6 of us are bsing and are playing town for fiddles. Try to lead the charge against us
2. You think we are being truthful and want to help town. Trust us.
3. Continue to hedge on both of these options and complain that we aren't releasing enough info to you, because you know better than the 6 of us which of OUR info is pro-town to release.

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Thanks for the positivity in this thread bell we need more of that

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Why these 5 titus? Just vca or reads too?

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Let me put it as simple as this: We are NOT "Army". Society are NOT "Army".

I am part of the BTS army

Vigi pls end his suffering

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this makes a lot of sense with the "town but not town" mason. I wish they would have revealed this day 1 but whatevs.

I'm pretty sure I did, and so did sb.

wait youre not town A50?

Lord assist me for i am in a time of need

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If you're deliberately playing to your scum meta as town here, that's your fault, not mine.

Just a question - why would that be a bad thing? Don’t you want to npt be easy to read as a player? Why would anyone keep consistent meta W/ both alignments unless they only hope to win games as town?

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this makes a lot of sense with the "town but not town" mason. I wish they would have revealed this day 1 but whatevs.

I'm pretty sure I did, and so did sb.

wait youre not town A50?

Lord assist me for i am in a time of need

Btw did you ever tell us your wincon?

Hey have you considered that gamma’s wagon might have gone a little too fast though? Idk not saying he’s town but.... wagonomics

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they didn't know it was disloyal

GDI that's NOT the issue. Lets' assume HYPOTHETICALLY that shelly is scum here. Let's assume that she did get a Cop shot. Now.. in that very situation she knows a) Her own alignment is NOT Town, b) that she did receive the Cop shot, and c) That you are NOT of the same alignment as she is.

This means that she knows she got a Cop shot from someone who IS NOT ALIGNED WITH HER, thus she KNOWS you are DISLOYAL.

You can TR shelly as much as you want based in PLAY, but when it vomes to MECHANICS she is NOT AT ALL CLEARED.

And this is why we dont give out info baselessly kids, even if we think it's nice to have everyone on the same page

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After

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Then i don't really see how it's scummy A50.

It's trying to draw a neighborization to manipulate us and gain info for scum. Doesn't matter if they're claimed or not, A50 was just preempting the criticism of "gamma did it before titus claimed".

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It's like someone trying to bait a doc action and you say "well we know there's a doc so how is that scummy?" He's not arguing it's scummy b/c of unknown info (although that does apply to gamma), but he is saying scum has tried to bait this action before and here they are doing it again

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The 3rd party are trying to control the game. Do not let them.

Yes because it worked so poorly yesterday

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The 3rd party are trying to control the game. Do not let them.

Yes because it worked so poorly yesterday

I thought Menalque pushed it through?

I don’t remember the 3rd party pushing yesterday, so what’s this mean?

No that was a total twisting of the facts. A50 was the one to actually call out gamma first for lurking while online, then once the wagon got started mena did do some pushing but hopped off for a CW. I pushed gamma a lot as well, also pretty sure most if not all of confirmed 3p was on the wagon.

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helping town to achieve their wincon.

this sounds veryyy much like you do not actually share our wincon would you like to elaborate

Do you people read the thread? Do you not know how to use the search function? Do you not see me post every 5 minutes about someone asking about wincons? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN HOW ARE YOU SO IGNORANT TO THE MECHANICAL REVELATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING

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It was majority 3P. I find it sus that Nero is pushing for April but on latest VC isn’t voting them. Care to explain? @Nero

Yes because we have the info that shades them lol why is this surprising

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April's reaction seems to read as anger that they were figured out to me. Keeps saying people are too "surface level", which doesn't make much sense if they want us to take their word at face value. Wouldn't they want us to be more surface level to just look at what they've said? It makes sense from a perspective of "my fake claim was so good these plebs just don't get what a good play it was"

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April's reaction seems to read as anger that they were figured out to me. Keeps saying people are too "surface level", which doesn't make much sense if they want us to take their word at face value. Wouldn't they want us to be more surface level to just look at what they've said? It makes sense from a perspective of "my fake claim was so good these plebs just don't get what a good play it was"

Nah. I disagree. It reads as “wtf. I am actually losing to Titus and the plan I set up to catch her is F’d and just hit their breaking point and left. I can at least see that argument as something viable though. Better than the BS spewed before.

Valid. Whenever I see someone tunnel into one "solution" to get them off the hook (anger, deflection, etc.) it scumpings me

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It’s not a hook thing. I encourage you to reread some stuff. And yes that’s vague.

Because you seem to actually be a townsiding 3P even though we disagree.

I really don't want to subject myself to 3 pages of egotistical ramblings again but anything specific that townpings you about April?

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i'm SORRY superbowl but when the 3ps talk about town wincon like it's DIFFERENT from their wincons MAYBE it's a little hard to believe

this information disparity among players with apparently the same wincon is really really frustrating to me, and i have no idea who to believe. i would have sheeped mastina but now she's a third party apparently and i have a lot of distrust in this game for people who have that much information.

i'm disappointed in this setup. i have no idea who to vote for and who to believe, and the entire third party thing has so many lies and poor clarification and withholding of information in it that it's disappointing to me.

i'll stay on april because i want to trust you. if april flips town, i will be a thousand times more suspicious of both 3p groups.

This is not about trust.
This is not about who you believe.

THIS IS ABOUT USING YOUR EYES. WHY WOULD YOU ASK WHAT OUR WINCON IS WHEN THIS INFO HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR 600000 TIMES???
HOW ARE YOU STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE FACTIONS?? LITERALLY READDDDDD THEEEEE THREADDDDDDD

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I'm about to make a graphic for yall because clearly something is not clicking

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Now I know what you're thinking: "Super, do you go to art school?" The answer is no, I'm just this talented naturally.

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Oh i think i forgot your hair. You have the striped shirt

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Our town wincons are the same i presume, which are we win when we eliminate all threats to town

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Pretty sure i know who the cop is but they just don’t wanna share for some reason! Oops did i narrow POE? Silly me haha

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I mean, we’ll find out as the nights progress won’t we?

My role PM says multiball
Threats plural

Why do I need more nights to find that out?

Yes but scum are 3p in this so

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Oops wrong quote meant to do your most recent

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It doesn't really matter how many reasons you have, you pretty much set up munched him instead of trying to read him.

Yeah but imo that was more than enough for a setup munch

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jjh is, mechanically, incredibly likely to be town here, to the point of being almost conftown levels of town.

Why?? I keep seeing yall say this, but ascetic seems like such a scummy claim to me. Personally I say we elim all 3, and I would start with jjh. His play has been straight scummy when he was here and now he’s lurking. Him and DDL seem like just clear scum imo

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why is JJH town

Do you think that, with a scum 1x alien and a town Odd-night Disloyal Alignment Cop Inventor, that schadd_ in addition to the 1x alien gives scum an ascetic to further limit the number of possible guilties?

Remember, the role is odd-night, meaning can only be used half of the nights.
And scum can use an alien one of the nights.
And it takes another night for the alignment cop, if in the hands of one of the six protown nontowns, to get a result from it, and it takes scum not realizing what PlusJOYED's role is if they get it to be guiltied.

In short--the role, with just the 1x alien and the nature of the disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor, is already hard enough to get a guilty.

And then on top of that, you think schadd_ gives the scum what amounts to a scum godfather?

It's incredibly unlikely especially given series themes of uncertain guilties but certain innocents, and a full ungated ascetic essentially being a scum godfather in this specific game.

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim?? jjh could have a number of roles or modifiers yhat would make this more setup likely

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Scum hate it when town are right for the wrong reasons.

This is why i scumread april at the end of yesterday

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The fact Morning Mage outed themselves instead of the hood telling you to lie and be the third was also incredibly incredibly bad. If you can read between by lines here EE.

FTR you wouldve flipped your shit if we did this

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

Bruh im glad yall think this way

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Alright. Allow me to play devil's advocate (although to an extent I believe this).

Why are we giving norway the 1 shot BP? No offense to them, but they aren't exactly doing a lot. I suspect they aren't the first pick by scum to be killed. It'll be a shame to go to El-Lo with a 50/50 for them, but like, that's what it usually is anyways.

We are basically forcing scum to doubletap norway unless they want an inno in lylo.

Oh yeah VOTE: Norway

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Superbowl9, I am confused.

Dont worry ill help everyone out once i catch up

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im DDL > pete > jjh

my hot take is that all three are scum

If all are scum then why do you even have a preference. and why the LHF of the 3? (DDL is the easiest to WAGON of all 3, regardless of anyone's alignment).

IF all 3 are Scum, we should do jjh. The one hardest to wagon and the one that cannot be investigated.

YES im so glad your brain functions A50

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are you guys sure you should be hiding your win conditions so that we can’t veto those so you’re forced to play towards the town’s win conditions.

Can’t you guys just come down and be town with the rest of the town rather than the cool secret council with the hoods and the secret meetings.

Revealing those to scum is antitown. We invite conftown so they can vouch. We can't reveal to all town.

Vouch activated. You literally have 1 absolute conftown and 3 basically conftown agreeing.

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Scum hate it when town are right for the wrong reasons.

This is why i scumread april at the end of yesterday

Does not compute. April was town. Please restate.

Not saying it was a correct scumread reason, but remember when I said the tirade came off as scum mad for being caught for the wrong reasons? This is what I meant by that. It was just a sidenote really so don’t look too much into it

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Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

Alright. Allow me to play devil's advocate (although to an extent I believe this).

Why are we giving norway the 1 shot BP? No offense to them, but they aren't exactly doing a lot. I suspect they aren't the first pick by scum to be killed. It'll be a shame to go to El-Lo with a 50/50 for them, but like, that's what it usually is anyways.

We are basically forcing scum to doubletap norway unless they want an inno in lylo.

Oh yeah VOTE: Norway

And that is literally what I just said they wont' care about.

El-Lo is almost always essentially a 50/50. Even if it's not a confirmed inno, it's all but.

Idk in what world you don’t give bp to an IC, it’s just as simple as that.

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Oops meant to delete that DDL quote because it wasnt response worthy

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Math pls dont hint anymore i think i gotchu

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A50 can you read PT

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Quick nero do you like strawberries or tulips better????

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AHA VOTE: Nero

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I wouldn’t have let you do that either A50

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VOTE: norway

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My secret wincon is to reach 1000 posts guys

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Am I town yet

Actually, you've been working your way DOWN my reads list since the day started. but that's just me.

Hey that’s my buddy you’re talking about!

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Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

i'm not averse to flipping this i guess

We can do that tomorrow. JJH should flip today. I mean mastina setup specing him basically confirms him as scum anyways

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y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

DS is town fam

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A50 can you read PT

I did and I relayed the suggestion as well as everything else you said.

Thanks!

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I would really appreciate if people would stop ignoring what I say.

Don't worry buddy I'll protect you from the scary killers <3

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

lol check the PT dude

No u

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

Dude I at least said reasons. C’mon.

Just do it already. Morning and A50 clearly have more insight than us poor poor common folk.

Did you forget I'm in the PT too?

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No let's keep this in PTs for now @Math & @Everyone in a PT

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Strictly speaking, superbowl is actually in charge of the whole thing, but it's a touchy subject.

It’s just a superbowl event that i’m moderating, norway is the ref

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How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

I suppose I should read before posting but isn't it possible that the hoods aren't completely aligned? What I mean is of of A50's hood or Mastina's (or both) hood may have an anti-hood player? It seems to me that A50's question about the night kill and shelly's answer (I haven't gotten further than that) lend themselves to looking at a vig plus a scum-aligned traitor-type player. Putting that player in one of the hoods seems kind of sexy and wifomy.

No

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Why is DS town, SB? I felt like his "oh I'm so annoyed @ Nero!" b/c I feel like there's a good chance that scum bussed Gamma and it came from 1 or more of TPG, Chemist or DS. I mean you could argue that DS actully reacting was a town reaction as where chemist and TPG just totally ignored it (at least I think but I don't ever remember a reaction.)

I think DS is the type of scum player where we would know he’s scum

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This game should be a win if we just don't paranoia eliminate any of the hood members and just go for the scummy outsiders.

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I would definitely like it a lot better if the hood members told us what their real wincon was.

queue superbowl blowup, but yes, this would be helpful

How many more diagrams do i need to make??

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a "reaction" test on someone with a pseudo guilty that is/was going to be lynched before that is a lame play, what are you a 2013 join date?

You're still town. Probably. Depressing town.

Why am I'm supposed to set the two mason groups plus norway to the side as confTown again? I think Nero, Mastina, Superbowl, A50 and Norway are all probably town, but I'm supposed to confTown Titus only because she's in this mason group even though she either refuses to read me or can't read me correctly?

Every person who has been grouped with them thinks they’re townsiding or that it’s at least better to treat them as part of town for now. It’s going to be hard for you to convince us otherwise especially since you don’t know what we know

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I think DS is the type of scum player where we would know he’s scum

can you back that up with anything

My eyes which are reading the game and the heart of the cards which never lies

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Hey.... I just realized something that could change the game everyone. This is very important.

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Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!

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But wait wait I think I figured out something else too...

DAE think that maybe 6 masons is too much in a game??1? Idk im not quite sure if they’re masons or not because superbowl hasn’t specified but..... no way someone would create such a terrible setup!!

The solution HAS to be that they’re actually scum, and we have 11 scum in the game!!! Game is starting to make much more sense!

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Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!

Have you been discussing what you think their wincon might be in your PT? It might be better to have that discussion in here, if it doesn't hinge on secret info.

Oh wait we can discuss things in the main thread??? I thought I was only allowed to post drawings! You’re really changing my outlook here, next you’re going to tell me we can vote for people or something, haha how silly!

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You know, the mason faction could theoretically just have said they have no second wincon. And people might buy it, it doesn’t even appear with their flip that they have another wincon.
So are we going to be suspicious because of honesty now?

Woah there Norway, I know you may THINK you know what you’re doing, but maybe we should let the people with less information than you decide? After all we CAN discuss non-secret things outside of PT now, in case you didn’t get the memo!

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Sorry last one but

Hey Nero can you tell me your full wincon? I’m bad at finding scum so i’ll just need some setup info to iioa with

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ya'll ready for N. Cain to drop some nxt lvl knowledge?


Army can't hunt themselves. lookin @ you S_S.

Big if true

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Please for the love of fuck stop calling any of the 3P town or masons. They are not remotely. They’ve even admitted as much.

As soon as they greentext, they leave the game.

We cannot count on them to have our interests in mind.

Yes from now on I will only answer to goliath gouthwits health interns #1 2 and 3.

Do we really know the wincons of goliath gouthwits health interns 1 2 and 3? Or are non-goaliath-gouthwits-health-interns-1-2-and-3-third-party-with-town-(possibly)-((ish))-wincon just playing them for suckers? I think this syntax is more clear and direct.

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The issue is that they cause so much white noise it is virtually impossible to hunt for scum right now. Look at the past 120 pages. Almost

all

of it is drama levied at MathBlade by these 3Ps. What isn’t is drama levied by the rest of the 3P at the rest of the game.

PEdit: So a lolhammer constitutes bussing now. Solid.

Yes we should all play like diamond who is above all of this 3P wincon nonsense!

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Please for the love of fuck stop calling any of the 3P town or masons. They are not remotely. They’ve even admitted as much.

As soon as they greentext, they leave the game.

We cannot count on them to have our interests in mind.

Yes from now on I will only answer to goliath gouthwits health interns #1 2 and 3.

Do we really know the wincons of goliath gouthwits health interns 1 2 and 3? Or are non-goaliath-gouthwits-health-interns-1-2-and-3-third-party-with-town-(possibly)-((ish))-wincon just playing them for suckers? I think this syntax is more clear and direct.

Yeah no.

How does interns sound?

Is that okay?

If not please provide a nickname?

You can call us whatever you want, i think everyone in the game has seen enough of my wincon posts to understand that there are no actual masons this game and to get what people are referring to when they say that, but whatever you would like to call us be my guest so long as people get it

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What are you trying to accomplish with all this sarcasm, superbowl?

It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

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I think you all think we are being patronizing to you but what is TRULY patronizing is you thinking that you know better than us what yo do with private information. If you don’t trust us because we won’t give you info, that’s fine. The point has been made ad nauseum. But when you just continue to rehash the same basic arguments over and over it really makes me wonder what you expect to happen? You end up posting things like “it’s better to discuss in main thread if information is not secret!” - like do you think we joined MS last week?

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It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

If you think my posts are terrible and that's hurting your enjoyment of the game, maybe you should let me know what about my posts is terrible so that I can stop making terrible posts. It's not like I'm doing it on purpose.

No I actually think it’s funny and enjoy trolling a lot! If it gets too far lmk because im not here to try to ruin people’s day but I do enjoy a good laugh at someone’s expense from time to time. I just genuinely think this is a better way to enjoy the game

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What are you trying to accomplish with all this sarcasm, superbowl?

It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

He’s trying to say stop feeding the trolly behavior and get back to hunting.

If you can’t get what you want directly try a different way.

And if that doesn’t work a third.

Then if that doesn’t work just stop.

Reboot. Work on something else.

I mean today is not really a big scumhunting day (at least publically, idt you know the work ive had to put into PT today) because i can’t sway the elim much in main thread anyways. But i never let some chuckles get in the way of finding scum! SS is not in my focus short term anyways

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Its 4am math go to sleep youre drunk

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Your response implied that it was obvious that their wincon might not be what they claimed, but that implication didn't fit with my impression of the game.

Like this is literally the game of mafia though, pretty sure any day 1 player could tell you this. We’ve simply made a judgement that taking them at their word is more helpful than not. Imagine someone claimed a power role and we talked for 10 pages about the fact that they MIGHT be lying and actually be scum! You would probably say that’s a pretty surface-level observation to be discussing over and over again, wouldn’t you??

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However, VOTE: A50 is probably the correct call here?

No stop obvscumming

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Actually keep obvscumming it will help my case

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Bell towntold btw if he’s scum he’s not helping his team so you can townblock him

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Bell towntold btw if he’s scum he’s not helping his team so you can townblock him

can you elaborate a bit further than this

assuming we're not nuking the masons I would go
DrDoLittle
Pickaxe Pete
Chemist1422
TGP
Something_Smart/DiamondSentinel
jjh927
MathBlade
Tayl0r Swift/Bell

Do you townread jjh or something??
He towntold by not even knowing there were 2 mason factions. Assuming he didn’t just pretend to not know that while actually keeping up with the game, paying that little attention to mechanical info is a towntell

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However, VOTE: A50 is probably the correct call here?

No stop obvscumming

i mean, he was right though

When this goes red I’ll repost this
(If it goes green you can rub it in my face too :lol:)

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i agree on less of a tryhard point for taylor. the rest i disagree.

MM i believe you're protown aligned and due to not wanting to spam the thread I'm gonna agree to disagree

also where is MT can you guys sign posts

MY signs all her posts she just hasnt been here in a while

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However, VOTE: A50 is probably the correct call here?

No stop obvscumming

i mean, he was right though

When this goes red I’ll repost this
(If it goes green you can rub it in my face too :lol:)

im not saying he's town, i'm saying he was right about voting A50 being the correct call. why is Bell town to you?

Yes, i’m saying if he’s red and agrees with the call its a bad call

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Bell towntold btw if he’s scum he’s not helping his team so you can townblock him

can you elaborate a bit further than this

assuming we're not nuking the masons I would go
DrDoLittle
Pickaxe Pete
Chemist1422
TGP
Something_Smart/DiamondSentinel
jjh927
MathBlade
Tayl0r Swift/Bell

Do you townread jjh or something??
He towntold by not even knowing there were 2 mason factions. Assuming he didn’t just pretend to not know that while actually keeping up with the game, paying that little attention to mechanical info is a towntell

let me get this right. Because Bell missed something in a 200 page game, he is town? what the hell man

Uhhhh he missed literally the one important thing to take away from these pages that has been the main subject of discussion for like 2 days now

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That’s a town tell because i dont believe scum would not be able to know about that from PT discussions. You can believe it’s lying scum but if you read his posts i think you will find that’s likely not the case

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That’s a town tell because i dont believe scum would not be able to know about that from PT discussions. You can believe it’s lying scum but if you read his posts i think you will find that’s likely not the case

you think town not reading the actual game is significantly more likely than scum not reading the PT? bad take imo

...yes? Lol?? When have you played with scum that hasn’t read main OR pt vs when have you played with town who doesn’t read?

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I'm starting to see where Taylor gets there's scum in my nulls, it's just not DDL.

I feel A50 should nuke SS imo.

Why elim outside the confscum group??

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Because I feel DDL is a misexecute and if we're taking a shot, I'd rather hit scum. So Pickaxe Pete or SS.

I'd rather hit scum so let's shoot outside confscum?? If DDL is town then we have a guaranteed 1/2 scum!

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I say we shoot jjh anyways he's clearly more scummy than DDL

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Everyone's just bought his ascetic claim that *may I remind you* he pulled out randomly in the middle of D1?? I'm honestly puzzled what town mentality anyone sees in that slot

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Because I feel DDL is a misexecute and if we're taking a shot, I'd rather hit scum. So Pickaxe Pete or SS.

I'd rather hit scum so let's shoot outside confscum?? If DDL is town then we have a guaranteed 1/2 scum!

So then we should execute Pickaxe but based on the popularity of DDL, I don't feel that's happening.

So your position is I should accept the misexecute?

Well saying DDL isn't scum so we should go outside the POE makes less sense than DDL isn't scum so let's go elsewhere within the poe is what I'm saying

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TGP who are your top scumreads?

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Inside right now we have 1/3 or 33 percent odds of hitting correctly.
Outside we have 3/ (18-6-3) or 3/9 or also 33 percent odds of hitting correctly. Plus, I have more townreads in the outer group.

I don't think this stat is correct, we have AT LEAST a 33% chance (33%-100%) of hitting within conf group, we have anywhere from 1-4 in the other 9, so an 11%-44% chance. <-- when it's phrased like this it becomes clear what our option is

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Math error:

Titus is assuming exactly one scum in those three. Number unknown.
Titus is also suffering from Monty Hall Problem.
Please revise.

Dw gotchu fam

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we have AT LEAST a 33% chance (33%-100%) of hitting within conf group, we have anywhere from 1-4 in the other 9, so an 11%-44% chance. <-- when it's phrased like this it becomes clear what our option is

And if we shoot wrong within the group we now have 22%-44% outside and 50%-100% inside. Pretty clearly statistics say shoot inside until we hit scum

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Why the jjh townlean SS?

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It's likely that jjh is indeed ascetic, and if he is ascetic, there's a decent chance he doesn't claim it as scum, but a smaller chance he doesn't claim it as town. So mild preference for not him.

Got it i remember you saying that now. Just curious why do you think an ascetic claim is more likely town than scum here?

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also thats a crappy reason to townblock someone anyway. I need more from ya buddy

I’ve been giving you plenty, you just don’t like what you’re getting

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but you're right it's boring as fuck. i'd rather be destined-for-failure-scum than an impotent conftown who can't do anything.

Fwiw, I sometimes feel like an impotent conftown. I feel like I have the answers and am fighting through constant noise of people shouting "What if there's an SK? A cult? What if A50 and superbowl9 lied d1? What if Norway is an SK?"

Where is your readwall?

Pedit: Then be disappointed. I have a bad thing of scumreading masons. So sorry.

Tbf, i feel like a lot of this game has been whataboutisms recently. “Oh what if xyz thing is true about the alliance? What if we tried to elim outside mod confirmed scum? What if we didn’t protect our confirmed town?”

I feel like i am fighting just to maintain occam’s razor here

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also thats a crappy reason to townblock someone anyway. I need more from ya buddy

I’ve been giving you plenty, you just don’t like what you’re getting

yeah would be nice if you backed me up a bit more...

I’m not arguing with you just to argue, I am quite open to crazy plays, non-conventional stuff, etc. But if what you’re proposing doesn’t benefit town i’m not gonna agree for the sake of agreeing. I feel as if you have been the one more unwilling to consider the other side than me here

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A50 can you shoot one of the louder scummy players. There's so much crazy arguing here i can't even think.

thought about it, but decided to go for the QUIET ones. Scum are likely to hide in such a loud environment and let the town implode.

or more likely they cant help but hide, as townies like superbowl spam the thread

You’ve got more posts than me mate!

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I think for at least 3 separate reasons, A50 not being a realistic option for a scumkill is better for town than Norwee not being a realistic option for a scumkill

Let's hear it

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What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

This makes sense and I agree with it but I'm still reserving a doubt card after your april thing

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the push on D2 was, while wrong (April flipped town), very very very obviously an intent to try and lynch a second scum

I think it's within your wheelhouse to abuse the mechanical arguments like you did to deceptively push a mis-execution while claiming you're doing it out of an intent to kill scum.

There was really not as good a reason as you say to not out your reasoning, and if you had, one of your major points (that the neighborize is ninja and April couldn't have seen Titus act) would have been demolished.

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Tbf, i feel like a lot of this game has been whataboutisms recently. “Oh what if xyz thing is true about the alliance? What if we tried to elim outside mod confirmed scum? What if we didn’t protect our confirmed town?”
I feel like i am fighting just to maintain occam’s razor here

For the record, superbowl9, I didn't know you well before this game but seeing you in this game you're a pretty awesome player.
I vibe with you a lot here. <3

Haha same to you fam

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Come on guys i made a diagram...

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Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

HOW DUDE? HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW BASIC MECHANICAL INFO AT THIS STAGEEEEEEEEE

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You wrote 5 paragraphs to say 5 words

Lean scum on chemists claim

It seems to work dude maybe you should try it and you’ll pick up a TR

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I don't write things down and this is nearly 6k posts in about 20 days. You can't hardly blame me for not keeping up with this 100% when you guys are constantly shitposting. Plus, my memory is notoriously bad about things. I am paying some semblance of attention and I keep a bit of the info in my mind, but I just have a hard time retaining it all.

Sue me.

Im gonna not respond to this for my mental health

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the 4 scum are in

math
SS
DS
TGP
chemist
DDL

wich means im 4/6 so not 100% but still p accurate.

JJH?????

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What’s your favorite ice cream flavor math

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Also how are you the too poster by >100 after missing D1 chill tf out dude

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Bell favorite ice cream?

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Nero favorite sports team?

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Grats on 5-1 but tough loss to the steelers
Pedit fried

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Here's final request before I end the day (for real)!

I want everybody to NOT argue too much, but to tell ne if they think it better to execute ddl (the sure thing) or go for shelly/Chemist (and the reason would be to give the Society the chance of being all on ddl, because they all agree he's scum too).

AGAIN: FOR THOSE ASKING ABOUT THE SOCIETY WINCON. ALL THREE NEED TO BE ON 2 SCUM WAGONS. THEY WERE ALL IN GAMMA, so they need another one, They also need to AVOID being on more than one town wagon, and they've already exhausted that by being on April. They CANNOT afford to be on another miselimination, and they need to be on a SCUM elimination, so I would like to give them ddl.

Remember: Do NOT "argue" too much. Be brief and precise if you please. Thank you

DO NOT EXECUTE OUTSIDE THE CONF GROUP UNLESS YOU DENY BASIC MATH OR ARE TRYING TO LOSE THE GAME

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Er, or not on DDL tomorrow to make room for the council folk.
Unless we don't wanna.
I'm very community minded.

Agreed that we have an easy DDL elim tomorrow so it makes sense to go within PP/jjh, unless you majorly townread them A50 in which case go DDL.

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^Let me reiterate that NONE of what ive said is reads based it is mathematically CONFIRMED the best course of action to catch scum

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Math he said brief which means everyone other than math and mastina are allowed to respond

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Uhhhh you DID NOT explain that math to me, you explained to me in PT that if you make a read assumption than you have a minorly better chance to hit scum outside the conf block. You might want to check because i believe youve left me out of something

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So explain this to me real quick. Let’s for some reason say you can assume with 100% certainty the scum distribution is 3-1 in large-confirmed groups. You’re telling me you get to narrow down the big pool to 3/6 because you have townreads but the small group stays at 33% no matter what?? YOU’RE NOT USING CORRECT MATH.

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When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina

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The math seems wrong but right?

If you’re making the assumption there has to be at least one scum between Shelly and Chemist it works

But then you’re literally assuming what you’re trying to prove.

That is like me doing a list of A50 and going look “100% chance of scum”

That’s not how math works lmao.

#Math can’t shut up

Actually I was making the assumption 3 scums are in Chemist/shelly/Taylor/TGP/DS/Pickaxe, and I now realize my mistake was to count Pickaxe towards BOTH groups (the 3 mod provided and the 6 outside), but he is still by far the weakest DR (if I even could call him a SR), so recalculating it becomes a 100% shot on ddl or a 60% on shelly/Chemist, which is still misleading because I am calling them both utterly confident reads and I am not shooting Taylor/TGP/DS today.

So, it's a choice between (what I personally perceive as) a 100% shot on ddl, or a 75% shot on shelly/Chemist, and the reason I want to take the risk is to secure tomorrow's elimination on the highest of all probability to flip Scum, so that we could keep our allies in the game rather than make their win con harder and possibly a bit more divergent from ours.

It a political move as a well as logical one to me.

The whole point of math is that you can’t trust reads. If you shoot outside the conf 3 and hit I will have no complaints. If you miss I am officially pressing the mute button on dumb PT ideas because so far every single one has worked out poorly. I have to pull everyones teeth just to stop trying to make fancy 5head plays

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When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina

Why would I be bloody shooting someone I bloody TOWN READ?

PT info but if you don’t care about that just shoot DDL is what i’ve been telling you

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You know what A50 just go with your mathematically unsound plan and we’ll either hit scum and get along jolly or I will be seceding from the group of 7

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Just know if you miss you don’t get a “uH wElL tEcHnIcAlLy I wAs StIlL rIgHt JuSt WrOnG rEaD!!1!” No. I’ve told you the most logically sound way to go about it and you’ve said fuck logic i wanna gamble because wouldn’t it be nice if I were right??

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I’ll tell you right now as someone WITHIN the group if you hit town twice in a row for stupid reasons I’m done listening to you.

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I literally can’t secede from the group lol. But saying that I’m not listening to dumb ideas is pro-wincon

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Fucking fine.

VOTE: DDL

P-edit: I will no longer oppose your elimination either. Fair is fair.

Thank you. I never said I would put yall on the elim table, THAT would be truly anti-town. Just said that I would not listen to you. But I’m glad you took the most logical option because now no matter what this flips we are in a good position tomorrow

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I'm the leader now. I've usurped Mastina and Titus. Sorry that you and Math have to deal with the sane head now.

We’re running a coup

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^smart

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DO NOT EXECUTE OUTSIDE THE CONF GROUP UNLESS YOU DENY BASIC MATH OR ARE TRYING TO LOSE THE GAME

He has very good reasoning in that post, did you even read it?

Yes I read the post and saw the faulty logic behind it. I can post a diagram for you if you want because you don’t seem to understand

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BUT WINCONS GUYS

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Can you please fly to my residence and show me the screen with your wincon on it?? Not sure if i can trust you otherwise

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Why bother neighborizing another in your council? You’ve already got A50 who can bridge between your factions

^scum with an A50 doubletap ready to go have approved this suggestion

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Oh, I should have kept reading lol.

Weird to ask for the input of three people and then decide before hearing from any of them.

sb kind of intimidated me.

why was that discussion in this thread rather than in your PT?

Literally can’t with this. First everyone DEMANDS we post our every sliver of info in main, then when we err on posting in main > PT you question that as well??

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At this stage, I think the scumteam is most likely to be DDL, Taylor, DS, and one of TGP and S_S.

Remember to rule of 3 this

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I have not read a SINGLE jjh post in the past 2 days that hasnt scumpinged me

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Wow i thought I was alone in that SR

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Ah yes after you die because scum is deathly afraid of your ascetic claim. Or did you think the majority of the game thinks you’re scum?? We both know you’re not dying anytime soon unless I push you

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Will you be enlisting as well norway? Only true comrades will sacrifice their life for the cause

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Oh no, I have no intention of dying and I do acknowledge that I'm highly unlikely to be scumkilled right now

Great glad we can agree that your last post was pointless posturing then

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Scum equity, lamist and rule of 3 are the 3 things I do not like.

This post is LAMIST and i think Bell has high scum equity right now.

Can I get one more piece of analysis here? 2 just isnt enough...

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At this stage, I think the scumteam is most likely to be DDL, Taylor, DS, and one of TGP and S_S.

Remember to rule of 3 this

How do you rule of 3 something with 5 names in it

Rule of three says anytime scum list three or more people at least one is scum (little more complicated than that but close enough)

Ty it’s not 3 ppl in this list are scum its since there’s a group of people in this list there’s at least 1 scum in it.

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Oh no, I have no intention of dying and I do acknowledge that I'm highly unlikely to be scumkilled right now

Great glad we can agree that your last post was pointless posturing then

No, we can't agree that- your post assumed I would die and I ran with your assumption
You're the one doing the pointless posturing- I note that you regularly find some generic crap to call scummy that doesn't actually work to find scum in half my posts without looking at any further context, and call it out in a one liner. Pointless posturing isn't a scumtell either

Ah yes I must pointlessly posture to prove I’m not scum here. I try not to push elims I think have a low chance of getting through to maintain good gamestates but I’m not going to let you scumpost for free. Although if you think i’ve been calling you out unjustly without making a fuss wouldn’t that mean you’re avoiding interactions?

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It's just tiring because scum equity doesn't make sense with the word equity.

If equity is the perceived value of a stock sold by a company. Scum equity doesn't make any sense. Because this implies that their value as scum is high. Which ????

Nah equity here refers to the poker definition which is correct in this context

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Do you want to rule of 3 it right now?

Got it so I should try to partner hunt while I still haven't confirmed your alignment

That's the logical follow on here rather than using every opportunity to restate your scumread on me

If I'm town, my reads are better than yours
If I'm scum, hurrdurr rule of 3

Got it so I should sheep you if you're town and not search for your partners if you're scum.

Oh and I shouldn't try to create interactions with you, just assume you're scum and move straight to partner hunting. Wow you're a mafia genius dude!

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I have looked up this meaning of equity in regards to poker and it makes more sense.

You could say that "at this point in time(or game state), the chances that X will flip scum is high. " = X has high scum equity.


I learned something new today. Thanks Sb.

Yeah, i've only ever heard it used here or in poker with hand equity so i assume a lot of ppl think it's the normal equity. Glad I could help!

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You make me so happy when you use poker analogies

JJh limped into a flop at SB and everyone here is thinking he's on aces....

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I don’t think JJ is likely scum. Maybe they could be ascetic SK or something. But unless we get a bunch of double kills i wouldn’t worry about it.

SK is impossible.

We all know how much worth your setup spec has, sorry if that’s too blunt.

After all April can’t have been town right?

No this isn't spec it's mod confirmed

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^To them*

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Yes. VOTE: PP and my bad jjh!

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True true

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VOTE: PeteVOTE:

Super Bowl and Norway was do you think about the cop info above?

I didnt see it at first, but we should be able to game that I believe. I’ll think about it later when i have more time. Honestly might not get to this till late tonight

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I mean of those 3, it's clearly TGP first.

Now that we know there was 1/3 in the last batch, i think it’s likely that A50’s theory about scum choosing these cop pools is correct. Based on that we may not even want to shoot within the 3, since our poe has been narrowed outside it. Ofc we could be getting wifomed

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Okay im dipping just dont hanmer till im back

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UNVOTE:

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Not gonna read can yall let me know if something important happens

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^Oops

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Not gonna read can yall let me know if something important happens

ask Bell what's going on - you may get to experience the game all over again.

I heard that there's apparently masons or something? Can anyone confirm that though it sounds a little too townsided...

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So if scum just need to outnumber town to win doesn't that make us at yelo?

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VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

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Hey im back in main

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@ me when something happens pls

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@sb: Mate, it's NEVER about having a different view. Ask Nero. We almost never agree on the same read of a single player the hole game, and we sometimes take bouts on each other. Ask Titus. We have some fundamental differences between our play styles.

This is about someone who thinks "linear" and totally refuses to consider any other possibilities regardless of the situation. Man, he still considers Titus/Nero maybe playing against us, despite us both being in that hood -in addition to Norwee- and all confirming otherwise!! Also, how hard is it to understand that "at least one" does NOT equate to "exactly one"?

And then he says "do you realize that if your theory is true, Bell is scum?| and facepalms?

whatd i do

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VOTE: Chemist

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I mean we basically have an autowin no unless bell is scum

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But yeah its totally math

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yea the 3p groups working together was solid play that made this hard AF for scum but the "point" was for the 2 3p groups to fight.

I can’t comment on this yet until Schadd does but there was something else that made it worse

The superbowl9 point was near impossible. We gave that up asap.

Sorry i was just too good

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as much as I like winning and felt like I played well this win feels a bit underwhelming and this setup seems really townsided.

Well he did say we’ve been in ELO since Taylor.

Yeah we literally just had to runner-runner-runner scum and that's with us playing an "optimal" strategy between the 3ps

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Yeah release it all. I don’t ever care.

Same release em

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@Battle Mage would just like to claim my "I was right" points against that BP strat, we would have lost norway which would have been worse for us

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Im glad I read you right again Bell

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SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

I put in the work I had to then let yall handle the rest

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SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

That scumfuck. We should have executed him. [/joke]

Yeah that dude was obvscumming not sure how he got past D1 tbh

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SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

That scumfuck. We should have executed him. [/joke]

Yeah that dude was obvscumming not sure how he got past D1 tbh

He had three town gunning for him too, if they could actually get him executed.

Btw, before we figured you were a "mason", I tried to put the word scum next to your name as often as possible to try and get you down on people's list and executed.

I felt like I was playing very obvtowny and was a little confused as to why i was catching shade, especially in D1 twilight I figured you had SOME motivation to come for me that hard

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Ggs yall it was fun and thanks schadd

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Oh and regarding the whole controversy D1:

There were a lot of people saying a word that as a community we’ve agreed to try and phase out of our lingo. I’m not particularly gung-ho about it, but I do think that if someone in the game comes out and tells you it’s hurtful to them and others and to please top using it, that’s something that should be respected. Look even a few posts ago, Nero you use the word unnecessarily to describe the very situation in which someone asked you to please not use it.

Again it’s the internet, and it’s not against site rules to use the word so “grow thicker skin” is valid for now, but it’s just common decency fo try to make a positive environment for everyone isn’t it? I totally get those who are used to using the word, just check my join date. I don’t like being the L-word police either. It’s just a matter of trying to make the game fun to play for everyone.

That aside, I think we need to recognize what is a part of the game and what’s not. If the mod or a user makes an announcement to address any non-gameplay issue, whether it be harrassment, language, etc. that’s not something we should be scrutinizing in a game context. To accuse a player who’s trying to stop the use of what can be hateful or offensive language of simply trying to gain an in-game advantage is in my opinion not okay. This is the same mindset that causes you to think schadd is “mod-confirming” someone as town for reinforcing that harmful language is not okay - you’re not realizing that some things are larger than and outside the scope of gameplay. Same for those who claimed the replaces were scum for replacing (false) - it’s just a continuation of that mindset.

Just my 2 cents, but I really think it’s poor form to drag someone’s good-faith request to not say hurtful things into gameplay context.

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1. This is mafia, you don't know what is for in-game advantage or not. The fact that they posted it inside a mafia thread, instead of expressing something to the moderator privately, leaves the door wide open for it to have been part of their posting strategy. Especially because they never once posted about the game itself.

2. The language is objectively unharmful and inoffensive. It's been used countless times and no one here is truly offended by it. The only harm done was by the people pretending to be offended by it, as that had a casualty (EchoVision).

3. None of that even matters, because it should have been a policy before the game started, not mid-game.

1. This is exactly what I think you need to reevaluate. If someone writes a post telling another user that they’re making them uncomfortable because of harassment, should we be analyzing that for the sake of the game? If a user says that their mom just passed away, should we shed doubt on that because they could be using a strategy? This is just a game and we have things that are more important to us than playing.

2. The word is clearly harmful to some people. You might not have a reaction to it but at this point it even pops out of the screen at me a little, now that I’ve really thought about the connotations of the word. Please don’t speak for the experience of others, you grandparents may not have lived in the jim crow south and been threatened by real life lynchings but others users may have that experience.

3. This we can agree on, and if you wanted to replace out because the rules changed midgame i really have no issue with that. You have every right to like using the word if you want, it’s not site policy. It just doesn’t make it any less insensitive.

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Yeah I don't think the game was very unbalanced actually, we needed the help as town. Imagine if we hadn't hit scum D1