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[JacksonVirgo]

Not this one

[JacksonVirgo]

Not this either if you delete a post.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or this if you delete another. Aight I'm done now, goodnight

[Noraa]

i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it

I'm going to say that you're scum because N_M is an easy vote-park for scum.

>:)

See, I suggested it first 1) to get reactions 2) to try to find scum and 3) because I *did* (before I was won over by NM's AtE) think that NM was the best PL if we were gonna do one.

I have come to the conclusion that golden is scum. They handed out multiple town passes. This can be described as "working hard with the little amount of info" or it can be described as scum slapping some words into a post and fake solving.

They ALSO immediately agreed with the idea of a PL on NM. Ok I suggested it legit like 4 pages in. Anyone that agrees in a not joking way is scum that trying to use me as a reason to try to lim NM. This could be scum theater specifically put there to make me look bad but I'm leaning Golden SCUM and NM town.

[Noraa]

*catching up*

[Noraa]

The answer was yes ... until I saw this post:

This can easily go into my town bin.

Holy fuck am I finally learning to obvtown?! After like ten games of getting limmed day 1 and day 2?!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*SCREAMS*
Ok now if u'll excuse me, my ice cream is waiting :3

It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that

What is SR?

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.
Jacko not suspecting here is strange as well considering Jacko saw two of my first few scum games on site and he knows that I used to pull the noob card hard. I would be like "hmmm so if there's a fn and a tracker, its got to be column a setup"

Really I should just probably sheep Noraa once I figure her out but not yet.

hello! I dont like sheep but if u do it with style, perhaps I can accept it.

[Noraa]

My SRS atm are :
Golden
Zurel?(uncertain but we'll see)

I have zero townbins atm. someone obvtown >:(

[Noraa]

Taytay being real quiet this game. It's interesting and I'm not quite too sure what to think about it yet.

[Zurel]

It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that

What is SR?

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.
Jacko not suspecting here is strange as well considering Jacko saw two of my first few scum games on site and he knows that I used to pull the noob card hard. I would be like "hmmm so if there's a fn and a tracker, its got to be column a setup"

If I really don't know and I can't wiki it, I will ask. And I will ask again even if you think I'm newb!scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.
Jacko not suspecting here is strange as well considering Jacko saw two of my first few scum games on site and he knows that I used to pull the noob card hard. I would be like "hmmm so if there's a fn and a tracker, its got to be column a setup"

Yeah alright I'll look into that now, I let it slide ngl

[Noraa]

I just briefly looked at Zurel's only finished game onsite. Tho the game was short I would die before I believe the abbreviation "SR" wasn't used.

[Noraa]

Also I'm going to spoiler on of their posts from that game for a little bit of an idea of what their posting looks like as town. In that game they were vanilla town.

Spoiler:

I will start with people I believe are townie:

- Titus: From the beginning I thought her L-1-ing Norway was a genuine mistake because it seemed like something so rookie and not something an experienced scum would do. But her case against Norway had been unpleasant, thus regardless of her alignment I thought it fine to lynch her. Right now, I'm inclined to believe she is town and the role she is claiming.
- Norway: I was not sure whether he was town or scum. All through that Titus vs Norway debacle, I thought either could be scum. The only clear things was they could not be both scum. Right now, I believe he is town.
- Trendall: From his posts, I think he is actively trying to scumhunt. And the difference between him and Titus is, at least he doesn't have tunnelvision. He was on Norway's tail for a bit but when he saw Titus as suspicious, he didn't have a problem leaving Norway to go after Titus. The way he plays make me think he is town.
- Salsabil: The fact she stands by her decision not to vote anyone Day 1 makes me believe that she is town. Even though I have experience as a player, I started this game not remembering almost everything about playing mafia. So I can understand why some issues may baffle a new player, because it did baffle me a bit until I read other players' explanation or asked them outright. An example, Norway was calling Salsabil sus for thinking either him OR Titus was scum/liar, but I think it was genuine new player's line of thought and isn't indicative or her alignment.

Now on the more murky water:
- Duke:

UNVOTE:
I'm not really comfortable with voting any more until I get some more information.

This post made me suspect him but he later explained

I probably should have prased that better, it was less about having a lack of information and more about having several therories and being unsure of which one to follow through on. I think you getting to E-1 also startled me a bit, as even though I've got a SR on you, I'm nowhere near confident enough to want to eliminate you, and I wouldn't really want anyone to be eliminated this early into the game.

and I bought that. Right now my read on him is null/town. He was ready to hammer Titus but when she claimed doctor, he decided against it and the way I see it, it looks like the reaction of a new player with a bit of experience who is also a town. But because of his lack of post, my conviction on him being town is not as strong as the four listed above.
- Wiyvern: Null/town. Similar to Duke. He did not understand why we wanted to vote Titus despite the claim not being CC'ed, so seems to be a townie new player. It's possible that Duke or Wiyvern is scum, but I think it's less likely that they're both scums together.
- AuroraDash: At some point I did believe that he might be scum.

I've not played this setup before, so I guess that if somebody has drawn either Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbour or Mason, they know that that's not true.

I think this is a good approach. Looking at the table of possible setup variations, there's a high probability that

if

it's a fake claim,

then

there will be at least one town power role present who knows that for certain. (I think this'll work in any version of the setup except 1C, which is two vanilla mafia vs. cop). What this means is that we're highly likely to find out if it's fake pretty soon, so I think we should hold off on hammering until then.

Stating the obvious and using it as an excuse to buy time seems scummy to me, but what do I know.

But to me at least, he does seem to have the inclination to say the obvious. Like asking about Salsabil's choice of font colour. And his latest post seems like a rehash of points already made by other players. I read him as null/scum.
- TownLooter: Actually I might have thought Looter town. But by rule of elimination, if I'm more inclined to believe that everyone else was town (with the exception of Aurora), I'm left with only Looter as the possible scum. This, of course, is a flimsy case at best.

[Noraa]

Looking at the format of the post, this isn't a newbie. Looking from the reasoning, this is a newbie. I believe they are new but perhaps not as new as that previous question made it seem.

[JacksonVirgo]

I just briefly looked at Zurel's only finished game onsite. Tho the game was short I would die before I believe the abbreviation "SR" wasn't used.

I looked at both their games, SR was not used by them specifically but they did quote a post that said it.

Scumread was used though.

[Noraa]

Eh, I dont think we need to read into this specific thing too much. It just was like deja vu for me considering when I was noobscum, I pulled the noob card much much harder.

[Noraa]

Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.

[Zurel]

Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.

At the risk of using my noob card, what is SL?

[Noraa]

+2 scum points

[Not_Mafia]

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

[JacksonVirgo]

Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.

At the risk of using my noob card, what is SL?

Scum lean

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to disregard that noob card for now, Zurel is fairly townie except for one big of one of their posts which pinged me a lil tad and I feel they tried pocketing me. If they didn't include t I would lock-town them but they did so yeah.

Not saying what just yet

[Zurel]

+2 scum points

Noraa, you can give me as many scum points as you want, as long as you answer.

Jackson, thank you.

[Not_Mafia]

Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.

At the risk of using my noob card, what is SL?

Steam Locomotive

[Not_Mafia]

Zurel/Not_Mafia/?

[Rockhopper]

vote: jackson virgo